Atheism; An Intellectual Dead End

[Czernobog]

Yes I'm dumber than the sheep who believe because they want to believe, have been threatened with hell and have been brainwashed since birth.

If you were raised on an island by people who didn't believe in God what age do you think you would come up with the God concept? I don't think God is something that is naturally concluded. You may contemplate a creator but at what point would you decide a heaven was logical and not wishful thinking?

In fact the person raised by non religious people might not even give this any thought. They might instead focus all their energy on living and learning things that are knowable.

You'd better stick to things that are knowable. The unknowable frightens atheists.

Wrong! Im not afraid of death or hell you are. I laugh at such nonsense and go about living my life.

Now you can come up with reasons why you think I don't believe or why I deny God exists but you'll probably miss the mark. It's not Satan, im not angry and Its not because I want to be able to live in sin without consequences. I think belief holds us back, makes us dumb and is how they control us. I think it's made up.

So maybe, just maybe, I don't believe because it isn't true

Of course you are afraid of death. Normalization of deviance eventually leads to predictable surprises.

Dumb is spending your workday blogging from work. Predictable surprises await.

Of course I'm not afraid of death. Because there is nothing to be afraid of. Are you afraid of death?

How can I? I have eternal life. I have a soul and I have my faith. What do you have?

The same thing you do - nothing. You believe you have a soul, and eternal life, but has has been demonstrated throughout this thread, all you have to support that is your wishful thinking.

 

[sealybobo]

I know you better than you know yourself.

You know dick about me.

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My signature line defines you.

Well, since I am neither Communist, nor socialist, it rather doesn't. Like I said you are full of shit, and know nothing about me.

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And yet you declined to state your political views. Beliefs not worth expressing are beliefs not worth having.

I don't disagree, except this isn't a discussion of ideological position, but of theological position. My ideological positions are irrelevant to this discussion. That is the problem. You hate atheists, because you think that all atheists also have ideological positions that you find anathema. Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but atheists are no different than theists in that we come in all different shapes, and sizes, and ideological positions.

Im putting ding on ideological ignore. He's back to suggesting that atheism leads to communism. The other guy you put on ignore posted a really good video and the atheist pointed out how he would be having a good conversation with a theist and then when they get frustrated they lash out with wild claims meant to derail the subject.

Could there be a better example than us discussing if God exists and ding saying we are commies? There is no better example.

Ding, it's been nice, I'm going to move on. I think this conversation has run its course.

Czernobog you have made a lot of great points that went in one ear and out the other. I wouldn't waste any more time on this thread these guys are newby amateur lightweight unevolved sheep

 

[Czernobog]

If it's OK for a theist like you to lie its certainly OK for me.

You're no saint and neither am I. I just don't rationalize and I don't have a get out of hell free card which gives me a free pass on lying. You do.

Are you ever going to admit you are fos on your atheists are commy claim? It really would make you seem more intellectually honest

You do rationalize. You are doing it right now.

Sorry, but reason and experience tells us that militant atheism leads to communism. Heck, Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin even say so.

See what he's doing there? Since he got called out, he wants to modify his statement with "militant", and pretend that is what he has been saying all along, even though his comments are a matter of record. This is what you get from Ding. You offer to five him the chance for intellectual honesty, but the fact is he isn't honest. He hates all atheists, and pretends he doesn't. He insists that he has no preferred outcome, all while attacking atheists, and their character.

He is a liar, and a religious zealot. Plain, and simple.

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No. There is no need to make that distinction with you as you are a militant atheist. There is only a distinction which needs to made when I am not dealing with a militant atheist.

You think any atheist who voices their opinion is a "militant atheist", so, yeah, you're calling me militant is kinda meaningless.

No. Just the ones like you who have admitted that you seek to subordinate the expression of their faith.

I have admitted no such thing. You have tried to get me to admit that, but I have pointed out, every time you have, that I have no need to subordeinate anything. You, and your kind will extinguish yourselves all on your own, without any action from me necessary.

 

[ding]

Really? Then tell me what your political views are.

Who cares? What are skulls and Ayn Rand's political views? So there's no connection.

And aren't Germany Canada and Australia socialist countries? They have socialized medicine and schools, right? So how long do you predict until they eventually fall into communism?

Don't be silly. Of course there is a connection. Ayn Rand was not a militant atheist. You are. Ayn Rand was a conservative. You are not. Look at how you attempt to defend socialism without admitting that you are defending socialism Socialists can't be honest because no onje would buy their bullshit if they were.

They will fall into communism when they descend into anarchy which will happen unless they return to conservative values. Lucky for them the pieces of shit socialists have so far been unable to replace loyalty to God, Country and Family with loyalty to state.

Ayn Rand wasn't militant, but we are? You have clearly never read any of Rand's writings, or you would know just how little respect she had for religionists.

I have read enough to know that I know that Ayn Rand believed in absolute morals. I have read enough to know how little she thought of amoral moral relativists like yourself.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. Wanna try again?

I disagree. What I wrote was exactly on point. I don't judge atheists by their atheism. I judge them by their actions and behaviors. You seek to suppress people expressing their faith. You pretend that you don't go out of your way, but you actively seek them out to do so. You literally go trolling religious threads to find them.

 

[sealybobo]

Are Atheists able to use rational thought, deductive reasoning, and scrupulous logic to substantiate and legitimize their perceptions? Or are they simply lacking a perception that most people experience without the need for rationalization? Are they spiritually dumb?

Yes I'm dumber than the sheep who believe because they want to believe, have been threatened with hell and have been brainwashed since birth.

If you were raised on an island by people who didn't believe in God what age do you think you would come up with the God concept? I don't think God is something that is naturally concluded. You may contemplate a creator but at what point would you decide a heaven was logical and not wishful thinking?

In fact the person raised by non religious people might not even give this any thought. They might instead focus all their energy on living and learning things that are knowable.

You'd better stick to things that are knowable. The unknowable frightens atheists.

Wrong! Im not afraid of death or hell you are. I laugh at such nonsense and go about living my life.

Now you can come up with reasons why you think I don't believe or why I deny God exists but you'll probably miss the mark. It's not Satan, im not angry and Its not because I want to be able to live in sin without consequences. I think belief holds us back, makes us dumb and is how they control us. I think it's made up.

So maybe, just maybe, I don't believe because it isn't true

Of course you are afraid of death. Normalization of deviance eventually leads to predictable surprises.

Dumb is spending your workday blogging from work. Predictable surprises await.

Wow! Another derailing and an attack I took a 15 minute break at work. You're turning into a dick

 

[Czernobog]

Who cares? What are skulls and Ayn Rand's political views? So there's no connection.

And aren't Germany Canada and Australia socialist countries? They have socialized medicine and schools, right? So how long do you predict until they eventually fall into communism?

Don't be silly. Of course there is a connection. Ayn Rand was not a militant atheist. You are. Ayn Rand was a conservative. You are not. Look at how you attempt to defend socialism without admitting that you are defending socialism Socialists can't be honest because no onje would buy their bullshit if they were.

They will fall into communism when they descend into anarchy which will happen unless they return to conservative values. Lucky for them the pieces of shit socialists have so far been unable to replace loyalty to God, Country and Family with loyalty to state.

Ayn Rand wasn't militant, but we are? You have clearly never read any of Rand's writings, or you would know just how little respect she had for religionists.

I have read enough to know that I know that Ayn Rand believed in absolute morals. I have read enough to know how little she thought of amoral moral relativists like yourself.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. Wanna try again?

I disagree. What I wrote was exactly on point. I don't judge atheists by their atheism. I judge them by their actions and behaviors. You seek to suppress people expressing their faith. You pretend that you don't go out of your way, but you actively seek them out to do so. You literally go trolling religious threads to find them.

Now you're just flat out lying. I have never supported the suppression of anyone. I'm with Seelybob. You are a moron, a sheep, a liar, and a zealot. Buh bye.

 

[ding]

You know dick about me.

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My signature line defines you.

Well, since I am neither Communist, nor socialist, it rather doesn't. Like I said you are full of shit, and know nothing about me.

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And yet you declined to state your political views. Beliefs not worth expressing are beliefs not worth having.

I don't disagree, except this isn't a discussion of ideological position, but of theological position. My ideological positions are irrelevant to this discussion. That is the problem. You hate atheists, because you think that all atheists also have ideological positions that you find anathema. Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but atheists are no different than theists in that we come in all different shapes, and sizes, and ideological positions.

Im putting ding on ideological ignore. He's back to suggesting that atheism leads to communism. The other guy you put on ignore posted a really good video and the atheist pointed out how he would be having a good conversation with a theist and then when they get frustrated they lash out with wild claims meant to derail the subject.

Could there be a better example than us discussing if God exists and ding saying we are commies? There is no better example.

Ding, it's been nice, I'm going to move on. I think this conversation has run its course.

Czernobog you have made a lot of great points that went in one ear and out the other. I wouldn't waste any more time on this thread these guys are newby amateur lightweight unevolved sheep

Good. Bye bye.

I don't hate atheists. I hate what militant atheists, like yourself, do. You seek out religious persons for the express purpose of confronting them and then you pretend that you aren't doing it. Of course I will shine a light on your ideological behavior because I know what the ideological behavior is of people who do what you do. You are a subversive.

 

[sealybobo]

Who cares? What are skulls and Ayn Rand's political views? So there's no connection.

And aren't Germany Canada and Australia socialist countries? They have socialized medicine and schools, right? So how long do you predict until they eventually fall into communism?

Don't be silly. Of course there is a connection. Ayn Rand was not a militant atheist. You are. Ayn Rand was a conservative. You are not. Look at how you attempt to defend socialism without admitting that you are defending socialism Socialists can't be honest because no onje would buy their bullshit if they were.

They will fall into communism when they descend into anarchy which will happen unless they return to conservative values. Lucky for them the pieces of shit socialists have so far been unable to replace loyalty to God, Country and Family with loyalty to state.

Ayn Rand wasn't militant, but we are? You have clearly never read any of Rand's writings, or you would know just how little respect she had for religionists.

I have read enough to know that I know that Ayn Rand believed in absolute morals. I have read enough to know how little she thought of amoral moral relativists like yourself.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. Wanna try again?

I disagree. What I wrote was exactly on point. I don't judge atheists by their atheism. I judge them by their actions and behaviors. You seek to suppress people expressing their faith. You pretend that you don't go out of your way, but you actively seek them out to do so. You literally go trolling religious threads to find them.

And you are a horrible representative of a theist it turns out.

Czerg is in a thread meant for arguing about God. Why are you here? You like being a dick for Jesus?

 

[Tuatara]

I think I know what kind of atheists these people are. The slow witted kind.

Do you not agree that America as a whole is pretty stupid?

 

[ding]

Are Atheists able to use rational thought, deductive reasoning, and scrupulous logic to substantiate and legitimize their perceptions? Or are they simply lacking a perception that most people experience without the need for rationalization? Are they spiritually dumb?

Yes I'm dumber than the sheep who believe because they want to believe, have been threatened with hell and have been brainwashed since birth.

If you were raised on an island by people who didn't believe in God what age do you think you would come up with the God concept? I don't think God is something that is naturally concluded. You may contemplate a creator but at what point would you decide a heaven was logical and not wishful thinking?

In fact the person raised by non religious people might not even give this any thought. They might instead focus all their energy on living and learning things that are knowable.

You'd better stick to things that are knowable. The unknowable frightens atheists.

Wrong! Im not afraid of death or hell you are. I laugh at such nonsense and go about living my life.

Now you can come up with reasons why you think I don't believe or why I deny God exists but you'll probably miss the mark. It's not Satan, im not angry and Its not because I want to be able to live in sin without consequences. I think belief holds us back, makes us dumb and is how they control us. I think it's made up.

So maybe, just maybe, I don't believe because it isn't true

Of course you are afraid of death. Normalization of deviance eventually leads to predictable surprises.

Dumb is spending your workday blogging from work. Predictable surprises await.

Wow! Another derailing and an attack I took a 15 minute break at work. You're turning into a dick

It is not an attack if it is true. You really shouldn't be surprised when you go looking for a fight that you actually get one. Yes, I am a dick. I admit it freely. When are you going to admit it?

 

[sealybobo]

My signature line defines you.

Well, since I am neither Communist, nor socialist, it rather doesn't. Like I said you are full of shit, and know nothing about me.

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And yet you declined to state your political views. Beliefs not worth expressing are beliefs not worth having.

I don't disagree, except this isn't a discussion of ideological position, but of theological position. My ideological positions are irrelevant to this discussion. That is the problem. You hate atheists, because you think that all atheists also have ideological positions that you find anathema. Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but atheists are no different than theists in that we come in all different shapes, and sizes, and ideological positions.

Im putting ding on ideological ignore. He's back to suggesting that atheism leads to communism. The other guy you put on ignore posted a really good video and the atheist pointed out how he would be having a good conversation with a theist and then when they get frustrated they lash out with wild claims meant to derail the subject.

Could there be a better example than us discussing if God exists and ding saying we are commies? There is no better example.

Ding, it's been nice, I'm going to move on. I think this conversation has run its course.

Czernobog you have made a lot of great points that went in one ear and out the other. I wouldn't waste any more time on this thread these guys are newby amateur lightweight unevolved sheep

Good. Bye bye.

I don't hate atheists. I hate what militant atheists, like yourself, do. You seek out religious persons for the express purpose of confronting them and then you pretend that you aren't doing it. Of course I will shine a light on your ideological behavior because I know what the ideological behavior is of people who do what you do. You are a subversive.

We shine a light on the true inner ding. It ain't inspired by God I can tell you that.

You are why I'm an athiest. People like you. I love it! Thank you.

 

[sealybobo]

I think I know what kind of atheists these people are. The slow witted kind.

Do you not agree that America as a whole is pretty stupid?

I do! And most believe in God. Coincidence?

 

[sealybobo]

Yes I'm dumber than the sheep who believe because they want to believe, have been threatened with hell and have been brainwashed since birth.

If you were raised on an island by people who didn't believe in God what age do you think you would come up with the God concept? I don't think God is something that is naturally concluded. You may contemplate a creator but at what point would you decide a heaven was logical and not wishful thinking?

In fact the person raised by non religious people might not even give this any thought. They might instead focus all their energy on living and learning things that are knowable.

You'd better stick to things that are knowable. The unknowable frightens atheists.

Wrong! Im not afraid of death or hell you are. I laugh at such nonsense and go about living my life.

Now you can come up with reasons why you think I don't believe or why I deny God exists but you'll probably miss the mark. It's not Satan, im not angry and Its not because I want to be able to live in sin without consequences. I think belief holds us back, makes us dumb and is how they control us. I think it's made up.

So maybe, just maybe, I don't believe because it isn't true

Of course you are afraid of death. Normalization of deviance eventually leads to predictable surprises.

Dumb is spending your workday blogging from work. Predictable surprises await.

Wow! Another derailing and an attack I took a 15 minute break at work. You're turning into a dick

It is not an attack if it is true. You really shouldn't be surprised when you go looking for a fight that you actually get one. Yes, I am a dick. I admit it freely. When are you going to admit it?

You and God are a joke

 

[ding]

Don't be silly. Of course there is a connection. Ayn Rand was not a militant atheist. You are. Ayn Rand was a conservative. You are not. Look at how you attempt to defend socialism without admitting that you are defending socialism Socialists can't be honest because no onje would buy their bullshit if they were.

They will fall into communism when they descend into anarchy which will happen unless they return to conservative values. Lucky for them the pieces of shit socialists have so far been unable to replace loyalty to God, Country and Family with loyalty to state.

Ayn Rand wasn't militant, but we are? You have clearly never read any of Rand's writings, or you would know just how little respect she had for religionists.

I have read enough to know that I know that Ayn Rand believed in absolute morals. I have read enough to know how little she thought of amoral moral relativists like yourself.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. Wanna try again?

I disagree. What I wrote was exactly on point. I don't judge atheists by their atheism. I judge them by their actions and behaviors. You seek to suppress people expressing their faith. You pretend that you don't go out of your way, but you actively seek them out to do so. You literally go trolling religious threads to find them.

And you are a horrible representative of a theist it turns out.

Czerg is in a thread meant for arguing about God. Why are you here? You like being a dick for Jesus?

I never claimed to be a saint. I'm not trying to be your role model. You should worry about yourself and let me worry about me. You aren't here to be my friend. You are here for one thing only... conflict. You should be happy. When you behave civilly, I will behave civilly. How's that?

 

[Tuatara]

I'm not sure what that means but what I do know is theists believe because they want to believe. Not because there's any good evidence.

Oh really, you're not sure what that means? But you're so certain about the meaning of everything else. Strange.

You're not smart

“I would love to believe that when I die I will live again, that some thinking, feeling, remembering part of me will continue. But much as I want to believe that, and despite the ancient and worldwide cultural traditions that assert an afterlife, I know of nothing to suggest that it is more than wishful thinking. The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there’s little good evidence. Far better it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides.” – Carl Sagan

“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.” – Mark Twain

This might almost be interesting if you had any actual thoughts of your own.

You haven't understood a word I've said yet so I'm showing you what Carl Sagan and Mark Twain have to say. Now you want me to go back to my own thoughts which you don't understand? Forget it.

If you don't like my thoughts or Sagan's or Twain's then I think your goal is to just frustrate us into leaving this forum.

Talking to you is the intellectual dead end.

Let's try listening to a reasonable, intelligent atheist explain why you're having this problem with communication. Maybe he can be a model for how your arguments should be constructed, but only if you want them to be compelling and interesting arguments.

I think it is you that should listen to him. Not once have I've seen Sam Harris degrade his opponents. You have instigated this several times here.

 

[ding]

I think I know what kind of atheists these people are. The slow witted kind.

Do you not agree that America as a whole is pretty stupid?

Sure. Here's why....

Alexander I. Solzhenitsyn -- A World Split Apart — Commencement Address Delivered At Harvard University, June 8, 1978

 

[ding]

You'd better stick to things that are knowable. The unknowable frightens atheists.

Wrong! Im not afraid of death or hell you are. I laugh at such nonsense and go about living my life.

Now you can come up with reasons why you think I don't believe or why I deny God exists but you'll probably miss the mark. It's not Satan, im not angry and Its not because I want to be able to live in sin without consequences. I think belief holds us back, makes us dumb and is how they control us. I think it's made up.

So maybe, just maybe, I don't believe because it isn't true

Of course you are afraid of death. Normalization of deviance eventually leads to predictable surprises.

Dumb is spending your workday blogging from work. Predictable surprises await.

Wow! Another derailing and an attack I took a 15 minute break at work. You're turning into a dick

It is not an attack if it is true. You really shouldn't be surprised when you go looking for a fight that you actually get one. Yes, I am a dick. I admit it freely. When are you going to admit it?

You and God are a joke

I doubt God will appreciate you throwing Him out with the bathwater, but that is your mistake to make, brother.

 

[sealybobo]

My signature line defines you.

Well, since I am neither Communist, nor socialist, it rather doesn't. Like I said you are full of shit, and know nothing about me.

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And yet you declined to state your political views. Beliefs not worth expressing are beliefs not worth having.

I don't disagree, except this isn't a discussion of ideological position, but of theological position. My ideological positions are irrelevant to this discussion. That is the problem. You hate atheists, because you think that all atheists also have ideological positions that you find anathema. Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but atheists are no different than theists in that we come in all different shapes, and sizes, and ideological positions.

Im putting ding on ideological ignore. He's back to suggesting that atheism leads to communism. The other guy you put on ignore posted a really good video and the atheist pointed out how he would be having a good conversation with a theist and then when they get frustrated they lash out with wild claims meant to derail the subject.

Could there be a better example than us discussing if God exists and ding saying we are commies? There is no better example.

Ding, it's been nice, I'm going to move on. I think this conversation has run its course.

Czernobog you have made a lot of great points that went in one ear and out the other. I wouldn't waste any more time on this thread these guys are newby amateur lightweight unevolved sheep

Good. Bye bye.

I don't hate atheists. I hate what militant atheists, like yourself, do. You seek out religious persons for the express purpose of confronting them and then you pretend that you aren't doing it. Of course I will shine a light on your ideological behavior because I know what the ideological behavior is of people who do what you do. You are a subversive.

See you in hell bro. You denied Jesus 3 times and don't even know I did that shit to you. You're fucked. Do you know what eternity is? I was sent to test you.

 

[ding]

Atheists are just as deluded as theists as there's no proof that a god can't exist.

No one has ever suggested that God can't exist. Only that the default presumption is that God doesn't exist until such time as objective evidence proves otherwise.

Making you like me, an agnostic.

lol

 

[Tuatara]

I think I know what kind of atheists these people are. The slow witted kind.

Do you not agree that America as a whole is pretty stupid?

Sure. Here's why....

Alexander I. Solzhenitsyn -- A World Split Apart — Commencement Address Delivered At Harvard University, June 8, 1978

Alexander I. Solzhenitsyn is an idiot.