Atheism; An Intellectual Dead End

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I've seen quite a few errors which are common amongst atheists, which you seem to be (I say this with no ill intent). First, theism is not a position of absolute certainty. Theism merely states that, given the current data, it's more likely than not that God exists. Thus, theism is the most rational worldview to adhere to. How strongly you adhere to it is correlated with how strongly you believe the evidence for it is.

It is not rational, by definition,* to assume the supernatural. And under any interpretation of "current data" the Christian god is no more likely to exist than a three headed unicorn with lasers coming out its butt.

That's not a material point. Three headed unicorn with laser coming out of its butt theology is nonexistent. To argue the premise that Judea/Christianity or any other major religion is flawed because something else is flawed is idiotic.

Second, in the absence of superior evidence either for or against a claim, the reasonable position is neutrality. Thus, the "correct" default position in the question of existence is agnosticism.

Save that belief in the supernatural requires accepting the occurrence of that which all our other experience tells us is impossible.

All our other experiences don't tell us that it is impossible. Quite the opposite, they tell us it is. In fact, I don't see how it can be any other way.

Third, the claim that God does not exist--the actual claim of atheists--is a positive claim about the nature of reality. Thus, it requires positive supporting evidence if it's to be taken seriously.

It is normally presented as a supposition: "I do not believe any gods exist". Or, more lexicologically, "I do not believe", or "I reject", "theism".

Doesn't matter, he's right. The claim that God does not exist is a positive claim about the nature of reality and requires positive supporting evidence if it's to be taken seriously.

Fourth, and final, atheism's denial of the existence of God logically entails that something other than God is at the root of existence. Atheists need to work up the courage to explain what this something is, and present their evidential arguments for why they believe it true.

You claim your god always existed. We claim the universe always existed.

It is the only solution to the first cause.

Personally, I've found nothing intellectually stimulating in the atheist movement.

Yet you find such stimulation in 2,000 year old fantasy stories?

I find wisdom and knowledge in them.

What I've found has been a lot of semantical games and burden of proof dodging, as well as a belief system which, when followed to its logical conclusion, undermines all of rational thought and science.

You started this diatribe with the nonsensical contention that an acceptance of your god was a rational conclusion. That doesn't really speak all that well for your judgement. Could we please have the Reader's Digest explanation as to how atheism undermines all rational thought and science?

He more than covered this in his four points. His literal rebuttal would be to re-paste his original four points.

I cannot in good faith consider atheism anything other than either a bankrupt academic trend, or, for the more militant atheists, a severe psychological illness.

That's awfully nice of you. I consider a belief in god(s) to be a delusion stemming from a failure to very justifiably question authority.

The claim that God does not exist is a positive claim about the nature of reality and requires positive supporting evidence if it's to be taken seriously.

 

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Christians claim that the universe is 6000 years old.

Logic says no. And science backs that up in every way. Yet they continue to believe that based on false science provided by lunatic websites run by fanatics that simply cannot let it go, and cannot accept reality.

The fact that we can see the amount of stars visible to us, plus all the galaxies, of which almost all are over 6000 light years away (and some millions and billions of light years away), means that the universe has to be over 6000 years old.

There's simply no way around that, except for pure ignorance and denial.

The fanatics will say that God created it that way to fool us.

Why does God need to fool us?

Why not accept reality as an alternative to magic?

Newsflash, we read it in the context style of the literary type. You are making a pre-K argument.

 

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Christians, Jews, Muslims, they all need to realize that they are not original in their holy books. They were copied from and changed from more ancient texts that spoke about totally different things. Each one of those religions claim that they are superior, and 100% right. Yet, their factual basis is a book(s).

A book that was plagiarized from far more ancient Mesopotamian texts, and each of these religions claim that their version was an original writing straight from the mouth of God!

And they all want to kill each other over it, because each one thinks they're better than everyone else, and people who think differently should not be allowed...

OMG, what a farce!!!

What lunacy!!!

You would think that after so much time that rational thinking would take over and we could all live peacefully. But apparently, we can't. Because you all want to kill each other over your imaginary gods and made-up books.

And the reason that you think so, is that you were brainwashed from birth. None of you has studied the world and its history and science, and then came to the conclusion that Judaism or Christianity or Islam was the only way to go, and then chose to believe in that religion as the superior one. You just believe it because you were born into it, brainwashed from birth, and that is all you will ever accept or consider!!!

You're all a big part of the problem in this world, due to your ignorance and fanatical beliefs.

You religious fanatics are honestly... disgusting... to me in your words and actions.

Open your minds, and realize that you can have your faith that makes you feel good, while still accepting the reality that you should work with others to reach a mutual benefit for humanity and the world. Not hate and/or kill each other based on a possible lie you were born into...

There's still hope for you. Read things, and try stepping outside the box. While keeping your faiths, explore what's important for this world.

Do you write all of your paragraphs in sentence form?

The account of genesis was recorded in the symbols of the first written language 4500 years ago

 

[BreezeWood]

And, by all means, please demonstrate any monotheistic religion that says that. Not "will", when we "stand before him", but can and does now".

It's embarrassing to watch you go through these semantic contortions to no effect. I'm sure it's very difficult for you to hear that your primitive form of thought is based on the same kind of blind faith that has driven men for many centuries.

It would be, if that were true. Since you cannot provide the examples that I asked for, one can only assume it is because you kinow you can't. That is the difference between faith, and observation. You have faith that your mythical God will answer all of your questions in your mythical afterlife, whereas I observe that actual science answers quetions we have about the universe here and now, given time, and resources.

I look forward to the day when science can answer this question: What happened on the Tuesday before the big bang?

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I look forward to the day when science can answer this question: What happened on the Tuesday before the big bang?

how would that change your perception, is it necessary that religion exist where answers are perceived to not exist ...

and which religion would be known to answer the unanswered.

There are enough core similarities between them it doesn't matter which one is practiced. The benefits of believing in a higher power than man will be the same.

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and which religion would be known to answer the unanswered.

There are enough core similarities between them it doesn't matter which one is practiced.

including a 4th century political agenda disguised as a religion ... you are one sick puppy.

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Yes, God is taken on faith, but so is not believing in God. Not believing in God is taken on faith too.

By that standard, not believing in Santa Claus is an act of faith. And as that's senseless, it shows why your "not believing in God requires faith" statement is just as senseless.

Comparing belief in a higher power to belief in santa clause is a logical fallacy strawman. Since the beginning of time man has debated the existence of a higher power. Don't kid yourself. The argument about the existence of God is as old as man himself. Nothing new here. The persistence of the belief and the common themes of religion in general are evidence in and of themselves that faith in a higher power is more than just a santa clause story.

Having faith in something means to have complete trust in it. I don't put complete trust into something unless I have a good reason for doing so.

You're equating two different meanings of the word "faith:

"Faith" -- belief without evidence. Religious faith. Theists have that type.

"Faith" -- belief with evidence. Faith that the sun with rise tomorrow. Atheists have that type.

Those two types of faith rely on completely different definitions, so declaring them to be the same is an equivocation fallacy, and thus invalid.

No. I only have one definition.

Faith = complete trust in something

It stands on it own, but we have reason for placing our trust into it. If you want to call reason, evidence, I'm fine with that. It doesn't make a difference to me though as I would not place complete trust in something unless I had a good reason to do so. So, your point is a moot point.

 

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It's embarrassing to watch you go through these semantic contortions to no effect. I'm sure it's very difficult for you to hear that your primitive form of thought is based on the same kind of blind faith that has driven men for many centuries.

It would be, if that were true. Since you cannot provide the examples that I asked for, one can only assume it is because you kinow you can't. That is the difference between faith, and observation. You have faith that your mythical God will answer all of your questions in your mythical afterlife, whereas I observe that actual science answers quetions we have about the universe here and now, given time, and resources.

I look forward to the day when science can answer this question: What happened on the Tuesday before the big bang?

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I look forward to the day when science can answer this question: What happened on the Tuesday before the big bang?

how would that change your perception, is it necessary that religion exist where answers are perceived to not exist ...

and which religion would be known to answer the unanswered.

There are enough core similarities between them it doesn't matter which one is practiced. The benefits of believing in a higher power than man will be the same.

.
and which religion would be known to answer the unanswered.

There are enough core similarities between them it doesn't matter which one is practiced.

including a 4th century political agenda disguised as a religion ... you are one sick puppy.

.

Yep. That's me... one sick puppy.

 

[BreezeWood]

It would be, if that were true. Since you cannot provide the examples that I asked for, one can only assume it is because you kinow you can't. That is the difference between faith, and observation. You have faith that your mythical God will answer all of your questions in your mythical afterlife, whereas I observe that actual science answers quetions we have about the universe here and now, given time, and resources.

I look forward to the day when science can answer this question: What happened on the Tuesday before the big bang?

.

I look forward to the day when science can answer this question: What happened on the Tuesday before the big bang?

how would that change your perception, is it necessary that religion exist where answers are perceived to not exist ...

and which religion would be known to answer the unanswered.

There are enough core similarities between them it doesn't matter which one is practiced. The benefits of believing in a higher power than man will be the same.

.
and which religion would be known to answer the unanswered.

There are enough core similarities between them it doesn't matter which one is practiced.

including a 4th century political agenda disguised as a religion ... you are one sick puppy.

.

Yep. That's me... one sick puppy.

.

Yep. That's me... one sick puppy.

... the good old times for bing.

 

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I look forward to the day when science can answer this question: What happened on the Tuesday before the big bang?

.

I look forward to the day when science can answer this question: What happened on the Tuesday before the big bang?

how would that change your perception, is it necessary that religion exist where answers are perceived to not exist ...

and which religion would be known to answer the unanswered.

There are enough core similarities between them it doesn't matter which one is practiced. The benefits of believing in a higher power than man will be the same.

.
and which religion would be known to answer the unanswered.

There are enough core similarities between them it doesn't matter which one is practiced.

including a 4th century political agenda disguised as a religion ... you are one sick puppy.

.

Yep. That's me... one sick puppy.

.

Yep. That's me... one sick puppy.

... the good old times for bing.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me. What you intend for evil, He has used for good.

 

[BreezeWood]

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how would that change your perception, is it necessary that religion exist where answers are perceived to not exist ...

and which religion would be known to answer the unanswered.

There are enough core similarities between them it doesn't matter which one is practiced. The benefits of believing in a higher power than man will be the same.

.
and which religion would be known to answer the unanswered.

There are enough core similarities between them it doesn't matter which one is practiced.

including a 4th century political agenda disguised as a religion ... you are one sick puppy.

.

Yep. That's me... one sick puppy.

.

Yep. That's me... one sick puppy.

... the good old times for bing.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me. What you intend for evil, He has used for good.

.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me. What you intend for evil, He has used for good.

I have chosen the better portion ...


truth is not a choice bing maybe you should take another look ... at whatever you chose from. * or just anything different would be an improvement.

 

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There are enough core similarities between them it doesn't matter which one is practiced. The benefits of believing in a higher power than man will be the same.

.
and which religion would be known to answer the unanswered.

There are enough core similarities between them it doesn't matter which one is practiced.

including a 4th century political agenda disguised as a religion ... you are one sick puppy.

.

Yep. That's me... one sick puppy.

.

Yep. That's me... one sick puppy.

... the good old times for bing.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me. What you intend for evil, He has used for good.

.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me. What you intend for evil, He has used for good.

I have chosen the better portion ...


truth is not a choice bing maybe you should take another look ... at whatever you chose from. * or just anything different would be an improvement.

Being objective is a choice and you can't see truth without being objective. I chose God, I have no idea what you believe I chose.

 

[BreezeWood]

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and which religion would be known to answer the unanswered.

including a 4th century political agenda disguised as a religion ... you are one sick puppy.

.

Yep. That's me... one sick puppy.

.

Yep. That's me... one sick puppy.

... the good old times for bing.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me. What you intend for evil, He has used for good.

.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me. What you intend for evil, He has used for good.

I have chosen the better portion ...


truth is not a choice bing maybe you should take another look ... at whatever you chose from. * or just anything different would be an improvement.

Being objective is a choice and you can't see truth without being objective. I chose God, I have no idea what you believe I chose.

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Being objective is a choice and you can't see truth without being objective. I chose God, I have no idea what you believe I chose.

another who's native language must be from another country than the USA ...

 

[ding]

Yep. That's me... one sick puppy.

.

Yep. That's me... one sick puppy.

... the good old times for bing.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me. What you intend for evil, He has used for good.

.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me. What you intend for evil, He has used for good.

I have chosen the better portion ...


truth is not a choice bing maybe you should take another look ... at whatever you chose from. * or just anything different would be an improvement.

Being objective is a choice and you can't see truth without being objective. I chose God, I have no idea what you believe I chose.

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Being objective is a choice and you can't see truth without being objective. I chose God, I have no idea what you believe I chose.

another who's native language must be from another country than the USA ...

No. I only speak English. He is still using what you intended as evil for good. My good.

 

[BreezeWood]

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... the good old times for bing.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me. What you intend for evil, He has used for good.

.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me. What you intend for evil, He has used for good.

I have chosen the better portion ...


truth is not a choice bing maybe you should take another look ... at whatever you chose from. * or just anything different would be an improvement.

Being objective is a choice and you can't see truth without being objective. I chose God, I have no idea what you believe I chose.

.

Being objective is a choice and you can't see truth without being objective. I chose God, I have no idea what you believe I chose.

another who's native language must be from another country than the USA ...

No. I only speak English. He is still using what you intended as evil for good. My good.

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No. I only speak English. He is still using what you intended as evil for good. My good.

"good" luck thinking they are watching over you ... and "your good" blessed one.

 

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I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me. What you intend for evil, He has used for good.

.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me. What you intend for evil, He has used for good.

I have chosen the better portion ...


truth is not a choice bing maybe you should take another look ... at whatever you chose from. * or just anything different would be an improvement.

Being objective is a choice and you can't see truth without being objective. I chose God, I have no idea what you believe I chose.

.

Being objective is a choice and you can't see truth without being objective. I chose God, I have no idea what you believe I chose.

another who's native language must be from another country than the USA ...

No. I only speak English. He is still using what you intended as evil for good. My good.

.

No. I only speak English. He is still using what you intended as evil for good. My good.

"good" luck thinking they are watching over you ... and "your good" blessed one.

Thanks. I absolutely will. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me.

 

[BreezeWood]

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I have chosen the better portion ...


truth is not a choice bing maybe you should take another look ... at whatever you chose from. * or just anything different would be an improvement.

Being objective is a choice and you can't see truth without being objective. I chose God, I have no idea what you believe I chose.

.

Being objective is a choice and you can't see truth without being objective. I chose God, I have no idea what you believe I chose.

another who's native language must be from another country than the USA ...

No. I only speak English. He is still using what you intended as evil for good. My good.

.

No. I only speak English. He is still using what you intended as evil for good. My good.

"good" luck thinking they are watching over you ... and "your good" blessed one.

Thanks. I absolutely will. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me.

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Thanks. I absolutely will. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me.

I absolutely will.


you absolutely will, what.

 

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Being objective is a choice and you can't see truth without being objective. I chose God, I have no idea what you believe I chose.

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Being objective is a choice and you can't see truth without being objective. I chose God, I have no idea what you believe I chose.

another who's native language must be from another country than the USA ...

No. I only speak English. He is still using what you intended as evil for good. My good.

.

No. I only speak English. He is still using what you intended as evil for good. My good.

"good" luck thinking they are watching over you ... and "your good" blessed one.

Thanks. I absolutely will. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me.

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Thanks. I absolutely will. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me.

I absolutely will.


you absolutely will, what.

Continue to believe they are watching over me.

 

[BreezeWood]

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another who's native language must be from another country than the USA ...

No. I only speak English. He is still using what you intended as evil for good. My good.

.

No. I only speak English. He is still using what you intended as evil for good. My good.

"good" luck thinking they are watching over you ... and "your good" blessed one.

Thanks. I absolutely will. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me.

.

Thanks. I absolutely will. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me.

I absolutely will.


you absolutely will, what.

Continue to believe they are watching over me.

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Continue to believe they are watching over me.

that's what you claim, I have no such belief as I said you should be seen by a veterinarian ...

 

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No. I only speak English. He is still using what you intended as evil for good. My good.

.

No. I only speak English. He is still using what you intended as evil for good. My good.

"good" luck thinking they are watching over you ... and "your good" blessed one.

Thanks. I absolutely will. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me.

.

Thanks. I absolutely will. I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me.

I absolutely will.


you absolutely will, what.

Continue to believe they are watching over me.

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Continue to believe they are watching over me.

that's what you claim, I have no such belief as I said you should be seen by a veterinarian ...

I understand that is your opinion. So what?

 

[Czernobog]

I've seen quite a few errors which are common amongst atheists, which you seem to be (I say this with no ill intent). First, theism is not a position of absolute certainty. Theism merely states that, given the current data, it's more likely than not that God exists. Thus, theism is the most rational worldview to adhere to. How strongly you adhere to it is correlated with how strongly you believe the evidence for it is.

It is not rational, by definition,* to assume the supernatural. And under any interpretation of "current data" the Christian god is no more likely to exist than a three headed unicorn with lasers coming out its butt.

That's not a material point. Three headed unicorn with laser coming out of its butt theology is nonexistent. To argue the premise that Judea/Christianity or any other major religion is flawed because something else is flawed is idiotic.

Second, in the absence of superior evidence either for or against a claim, the reasonable position is neutrality. Thus, the "correct" default position in the question of existence is agnosticism.

Save that belief in the supernatural requires accepting the occurrence of that which all our other experience tells us is impossible.

All our other experiences don't tell us that it is impossible. Quite the opposite, they tell us it is. In fact, I don't see how it can be any other way.

Third, the claim that God does not exist--the actual claim of atheists--is a positive claim about the nature of reality. Thus, it requires positive supporting evidence if it's to be taken seriously.

It is normally presented as a supposition: "I do not believe any gods exist". Or, more lexicologically, "I do not believe", or "I reject", "theism".

Doesn't matter, he's right. The claim that God does not exist is a positive claim about the nature of reality and requires positive supporting evidence if it's to be taken seriously.

Fourth, and final, atheism's denial of the existence of God logically entails that something other than God is at the root of existence. Atheists need to work up the courage to explain what this something is, and present their evidential arguments for why they believe it true.

You claim your god always existed. We claim the universe always existed.

It is the only solution to the first cause.

Personally, I've found nothing intellectually stimulating in the atheist movement.

Yet you find such stimulation in 2,000 year old fantasy stories?

I find wisdom and knowledge in them.

What I've found has been a lot of semantical games and burden of proof dodging, as well as a belief system which, when followed to its logical conclusion, undermines all of rational thought and science.

You started this diatribe with the nonsensical contention that an acceptance of your god was a rational conclusion. That doesn't really speak all that well for your judgement. Could we please have the Reader's Digest explanation as to how atheism undermines all rational thought and science?

He more than covered this in his four points. His literal rebuttal would be to re-paste his original four points.

I cannot in good faith consider atheism anything other than either a bankrupt academic trend, or, for the more militant atheists, a severe psychological illness.

That's awfully nice of you. I consider a belief in god(s) to be a delusion stemming from a failure to very justifiably question authority.

The claim that God does not exist is a positive claim about the nature of reality and requires positive supporting evidence if it's to be taken seriously.

No it is not. To claim a thing exists is a positive claim that requires evidence to support it. To refute that t thing exists is just that - the refutation of the positive claim. You are trying to turn logical debate on its ear to justify belief in a thing that has no objective evidence of its existence.

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[Constructive Anarchy]

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me. What you intend for evil, He has used for good.

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I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I have chosen the better portion and it will not be taken away from me. What you intend for evil, He has used for good.

I have chosen the better portion ...


truth is not a choice bing maybe you should take another look ... at whatever you chose from. * or just anything different would be an improvement.

Being objective is a choice and you can't see truth without being objective. I chose God, I have no idea what you believe I chose.

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Being objective is a choice and you can't see truth without being objective. I chose God, I have no idea what you believe I chose.

another who's native language must be from another country than the USA ...

No. I only speak English. He is still using what you intended as evil for good. My good.

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No. I only speak English. He is still using what you intended as evil for good. My good.

"good" luck thinking they are watching over you ... and "your good" blessed one.

Good luck with actually thinking anything at all. Which, as we've witnessed throughout this thread, isn't exactly a strong point for superficial pop culture atheist dimwits like yourself.