Attention, gun control supporters:

[bigrebnc1775]

No. You didn't.

Joe has posted the same old shit a number of times in different threads, He's done and has been debunked.

No, it hasn't.

In other words joes information has been proven wrong a number of times. Do you understand now?
And now that you are defending joes debunked information time for you to show some proof that Joe's information has not been debunked.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Misinformation

Actually it's not.

I've spanked him so many times now that he really just says that to everything, proving that he might as well have left with the other folks....

Shall we rehash why Japan leads the world in suicides?
Shall we rehash this?

Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

 

[Contumacious]

I served in the army for 20 years and I probably saw more combat in a day than you will in your lifetime. Have you ever served? I paid my dues in blood. I am no coward. And I am definitely an American. Cowards hide behind guns because they are too weak or afraid to face a man in close quarters hand to hand combat.

May I please sir , show the picture of someone who faced an armed man in close quarters in a hand to hand combat ?

Victoria Soto, Slain Sandy Hook Teacher

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[daveman]

Take a look at the violent crime stats for those nations before and after the bans.

Hint: They didn't go down.

Unless you'd like to make the case that someone killed with a gun is MORE DEAD than someone killed with any other means...?

In the case of Australia, they did go down.

Wrong.

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

• In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
• Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
• Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Japan never had a lot of guns to start with...

True. But their suicide rate is far higher than the US'...almost twice as high...which, according to you, is impossible since they don't have guns.

List of countries by suicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's easier to kill people with a gun than by other means. Attack me with a knife, I might have a fighting chance.

I'll attack you with facts and logic -- because you're unarmed.

 

[daveman]

In the case of Australia, they did go down. Japan never had a lot of guns to start with...

It's easier to kill people with a gun than by other means. Attack me with a knife, I might have a fighting chance.

Misinformation

Actually it's not.

As I've just shown -- it is.

 

[eflatminor]

Cowards hide behind guns because they are too weak or afraid to face a man in close quarters hand to hand combat.

You're right, a 120 pound woman should have the 'right' to fistfight a 250 pound rapist.

Those chicks are nothing more than cowards...

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Misinformation

Actually it's not.

As I've just shown -- it is.

Yeah facts are a terrible thing too some people like Joe and R2 D2.

Actually it's not.

I've spanked him so many times now that he really just says that to everything, proving that he might as well have left with the other folks....

Shall we rehash why Japan leads the world in suicides?
Shall we rehash this?

Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

 

[daveman]

Cowards hide behind guns because they are too weak or afraid to face a man in close quarters hand to hand combat. I get a rush out o forcing an opponent into submission with my bare hands... the bigger the better.

Sure, Zippy. How many armed attackers have you forced into submission with your bare hands?

 

[Contumacious]

I served in the army for 20 years and I probably saw more combat in a day than you will in your lifetime. Have you ever served? I paid my dues in blood. I am no coward. And I am definitely an American. Cowards hide behind guns because they are too weak or afraid to face a man in close quarters hand to hand combat.

May I please sir , show the picture of someone who faced an armed man in close quarters in a hand to hand combat ?

Victoria Soto, Slain Sandy Hook Teacher

.

 

[JoeB131]

Actually it's not.

I've spanked him so many times now that he really just says that to everything, proving that he might as well have left with the other folks....

Shall we rehash why Japan leads the world in suicides?
Shall we rehash this?

Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research ....]

snopes.com: Australian Guns Stats

totally debunks this RW talking point.

Fact is, Australia had 50 gun homicides last year, and we had 9158.

 

[JoeB131]

Cowards hide behind guns because they are too weak or afraid to face a man in close quarters hand to hand combat.

You're right, a 120 pound woman should have the 'right' to fistfight a 250 pound rapist.

Those chicks are nothing more than cowards...

I don't know. I've never met a woman who had to chase off a 250 lbs rapist with a gun.

I do know women who've had to bury their teenagers after they blew out their brains with the gun they bought for protection, though.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I've spanked him so many times now that he really just says that to everything, proving that he might as well have left with the other folks....

Shall we rehash why Japan leads the world in suicides?
Shall we rehash this?

Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research ....]

snopes.com: Australian Guns Stats

totally debunks this RW talking point.

Fact is, Australia had 50 gun homicides last year, and we had 9158.

I have debunked that shit also. The last date of the data is 2000 it is now 2012. Try that shit again and I'll slap it right back at you. Shmuck.

One more time for the peanut gallery in your head

Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

 

[daveman]

I've spanked him so many times now that he really just says that to everything, proving that he might as well have left with the other folks....

Shall we rehash why Japan leads the world in suicides?
Shall we rehash this?

Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research ....]

snopes.com: Australian Guns Stats

totally debunks this RW talking point.

Fact is, Australia had 50 gun homicides last year, and we had 9158.

Why do you ignore Oz's rising violent crime rate, coward?

 

[cutter]

You are exactly the kind of ignorant liberal fool that wants to legislate by emotion and not use ANY higher order thinking skills. You think passing some 'feel good' gun ban is somehow going to magically eliminate tragedies like Sandy Hook.

You. Are. Wrong.

You also seem to think that there is something wrong with a person who threatens violence if their Constitutional rights are violated. If you're not willing to stand up and fight for your rights, you're not worthy of the appellation 'American'. I seem to remember a bunch of guys 236 years ago who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to that fight, and to each other.

I intend to honor that contract, even if a coward like you won't.

Maybe you should move to France?

I served in the army for 20 years and I probably saw more combat in a day than you will in your lifetime. Have you ever served? I paid my dues in blood. I am no coward. And I am definitely an American. Cowards hide behind guns because they are too weak or afraid to face a man in close quarters hand to hand combat. I get a rush out o forcing an opponent into submission with my bare hands... the bigger the better.

Proving that between the two of us YOU are the psychopathic nutbag.

No. It proves that between the two of us YOU are the certified COWARD!



We have been armed for centuries and politeness is NOT an American attribute. Further, no one is laughing at your "ridicule;" especially the survivors of the pre adolescent victims in the Connecticut Massacre of 2012.

The framers of the constitution did give us the right to bear arms but I doubt if they envisioned the semi-automatic rifles fitted with high capacity magazines of today. I have no problem with you having a musket or even a bolt action rifle or shotgun. But when you want to own a fully operational automatic or semi-automatic super killing machine that was designed specifically for that purpose, you shouldn't be allowed to. But since you are...I must have equal force at my disposal!



Commensurate with the state? Even a fool like you ought to see the impossibility of that illusion applied to modern times. But that didn't stop you did it? You said it anyway!

I own semi-automatic weapons to protect myself and my family from criminals, and because they are fun to shoot. I'm not the guy you need to worry about shooting up schools, theaters and streets, fool.

Yep, that is what all the good neighbor killers say before they snap!


Another thing. You should stop living in the past. Your puny rifles would be as ineffectual as
a bow and arrow against tanks, drones and bombs...even on fully automatic! IDIOT

Really? How's that working out in Afghanistan?

America is NOT Afghanistan! I thought you knew that but now I am not so sure!

I served in the army for 20 years and I probably saw more combat in a day than you will in your lifetime. Have you ever served? I paid my dues in blood. I am no coward. And I am definitely an American. Cowards hide behind guns because they are too weak or afraid to face a man in close quarters hand to hand combat. I get a rush out o forcing an opponent into submission with my bare hands... the bigger the better.


You may be a nice guy, I don't know, but I am now 66yrs old and weaker that I used to be, but if someone expects to enjoy taking me down I'll put a bullet in their head. Does that make me a coward of just smart and prepared?

 

[JoeB131]

Shall we rehash why Japan leads the world in suicides?
Shall we rehash this?

Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research ....]

snopes.com: Australian Guns Stats

totally debunks this RW talking point.

Fact is, Australia had 50 gun homicides last year, and we had 9158.

I have debunked that shit also. The last date of the data is 2000 it is now 2012. .

Um... not really.

Guns in Australia: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law


2009: 30
2008: 19
2007: 25
2006: 29
2005: 40
2004: 32
2003: 54
2002: 45
2001: 47
2000: 57
1999: 50
1998: 57
1997: 79
1996: 104

 

[JoeB131]

Why do you ignore Oz's rising violent crime rate, coward?

Because it's statistically laughable.

In 1996, the homicide rate in Australia was 1.6 before the ban. Today it's 1.2.

Gun deaths dropped from 516 in 1996 to 231 in 2008. Only 19 of those were Gun Homicides.

In the United States, we had 16,272 Homicides in the United States, of those 9484 were commited with guns.

Our Homicide rate is 5.35 per 100,000 people. That's three times what Australia's is.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

snopes.com: Australian Guns Stats

totally debunks this RW talking point.

Fact is, Australia had 50 gun homicides last year, and we had 9158.

I have debunked that shit also. The last date of the data is 2000 it is now 2012. .

Um... not really.

Guns in Australia: Facts, Figures and Firearm Law


2009: 30
2008: 19
2007: 25
2006: 29
2005: 40
2004: 32
2003: 54
2002: 45
2001: 47
2000: 57
1999: 50
1998: 57
1997: 79
1996: 104

oh your bouncing all over the place now snoopes was debunked now this. I'll be back after I check it out.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

From your link
Very dishonest of you.
2010: 231
2009: 224
2008: 225
2007: 404
2006: 229
2003: 287
Your source left out 2004 and 2005 in the total number of gun deaths section.

 

[jtpr312]

Meanwhile, gun bans don't work. That's simply the reality.

Except in ...

and

oh, yeah and...

But if you're a gun-nut, just pretend these placed don't exist and tell yourself 36,000 gun deaths a year are perfectly acceptable.

More bs from the uninformed propogandists.
"Stiff `gun control' laws work as shown by the low crime rates in England and Japan, while U. S crime rates continue to soar."
All criminologists studying the firearms issue reject simple comparisons of violent crime among foreign countries. It is impossible to draw valid conclusions without taking into account differences in each nation's collection of crime data, and their political, cultural, racial, religious, and economic disparities. Such factors are not only hard to compare, they are rarely, if ever, taken into account by "gun control" proponents.9
Only one scholar, attorney David Kopel, has attempted to evaluate the impact of "gun control" on crime in several foreign countries. In his book The Samurai, The Mountie and The Cowboy: Should America adopt the gun controls of other democracies?, named a 1992 Book of the Year by the American Society of Criminology, Kopel examined numerous nations with varying gun laws, and concluded: "Contrary to the claims of the American gun control movement, gun control does not deserve credit for the low crime rates in Britain, Japan, or other nations." He noted that Israel and Switzerland, with more widespread rates of gunownership, have crime rates comparable to or lower than the usual foreign examples. And he stated: "Foreign style gun control is doomed to failure in America. Foreign gun control comes along with searches and seizures, and with many other restrictions on civil liberties too intrusive for America. Foreign gun control...postulates an authoritarian philosophy of government fundamentally at odds with the individualist and egalitarian American ethos."10

America's high crime rates can be attributed to re volving-door justice. In a typical year in the U.S., there are 8.1 million serious crimes like homicide, assault, and burglary. Only 724,000 adults are arrested and fewer still (193,000) are convicted. Less than 150,000 are sentenced to prison, with 36,00 0 serving less than a year (U.S. News and World Report, July 31, 1989). A 1987 National Institute of Justice study found that the average felon released due to prison overcrowding commits upwards of 187 crimes per year, costing society approximately $430, 000.

Foreign countries are two to six times more effective in solving crimes and punishing criminals than the U.S. In London, about 20% of reported robberies end in conviction; in New York City, less than 5% result in conviction, and in those cases imprisonment is frequently not imposed. Nonetheless, England annually has twice as many homicides with firearms as it did before adopting its tough laws. Despite tight licensing procedures, the handgun-related robbery rate in Britain rose about 200% duri ng the past dozen years, five times as fast as in the U.S.

Part of Japan's low crime rate is explained by the efficiency of its criminal justice system, fewer protections of the right to privacy, and fewer rights for criminal suspects than exist in the United States. Japanese police routinely search citizens at will and twice a year pay "home visits" to citizens' residences. Suspect confession rate is 95% and trial conviction rate is over 99.9%. The Tokyo Bar Association has said that the Japanese police routinely "...engage in torture or illegal treatment. Even in cases where suspects claimed to have been tortured and their bodies bore the physical traces to back their claims, courts have still accepted their confessions." Neither the powers and secrecy of the police nor the docility of defense counsel would be acceptable to most Americans. In addition, the Japanese police understate the amount of crime, particularly covering up the problem of organized crime, in order to appear more efficient an d worthy of the respect the citizens have for the police.

Widespread respect for law and order is deeply ingrained in the Japanese citizenry. This cultural trait has been passed along to their descendants in the United States where the murder ratef or Japanese-Americans (who have access to firearms) is similar to that in Japan itself. If gun availability were a factor in crime rates, one would expect European crime rates to be related to firearms availability in those countries, but crime rat es are similar in European countries with high or relatively high gun ownership, such as Switzerland, Israel, and Norway, and in low availability countries like England and Germany. Furthermore, one would expect American violent crime rates to be more sim ilar to European rates in crime where guns are rarely used, such as rape, than in crimes where guns are often used, such as homicide. But the reverse is true: American non-gun violent crime rates exceed those of European countries.


9 Wright, et al ., Under the Gun: Weapons, Crime and Violence in America (N.Y.: Aldine, 1983).
10 Kopel, "The Samurai, The Mountie, and the Cowboy: Should America adopt the gun controls of other democracies?' (Buffalo, N.Y.: Prometheus Books, 1992), 431-32.
http://http://people.duke.edu/~gnsmith/articles/myths.htm

 

[jtpr312]

You are exactly the kind of ignorant liberal fool that wants to legislate by emotion and not use ANY higher order thinking skills. You think passing some 'feel good' gun ban is somehow going to magically eliminate tragedies like Sandy Hook.

You. Are. Wrong.

You also seem to think that there is something wrong with a person who threatens violence if their Constitutional rights are violated. If you're not willing to stand up and fight for your rights, you're not worthy of the appellation 'American'. I seem to remember a bunch of guys 236 years ago who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to that fight, and to each other.

I intend to honor that contract, even if a coward like you won't.

Maybe you should move to France?

I served in the army for 20 years and I probably saw more combat in a day than you will in your lifetime. Have you ever served? I paid my dues in blood. I am no coward. And I am definitely an American. Cowards hide behind guns because they are too weak or afraid to face a man in close quarters hand to hand combat. I get a rush out o forcing an opponent into submission with my bare hands... the bigger the better.

Proving that between the two of us YOU are the psychopathic nutbag.

No. It proves that between the two of us YOU are the certified COWARD!



We have been armed for centuries and politeness is NOT an American attribute. Further, no one is laughing at your "ridicule;" especially the survivors of the pre adolescent victims in the Connecticut Massacre of 2012.

The framers of the constitution did give us the right to bear arms but I doubt if they envisioned the semi-automatic rifles fitted with high capacity magazines of today. I have no problem with you having a musket or even a bolt action rifle or shotgun. But when you want to own a fully operational automatic or semi-automatic super killing machine that was designed specifically for that purpose, you shouldn't be allowed to. But since you are...I must have equal force at my disposal!



Commensurate with the state? Even a fool like you ought to see the impossibility of that illusion applied to modern times. But that didn't stop you did it? You said it anyway!

I own semi-automatic weapons to protect myself and my family from criminals, and because they are fun to shoot. I'm not the guy you need to worry about shooting up schools, theaters and streets, fool.

Yep, that is what all the good neighbor killers say before they snap!


Another thing. You should stop living in the past. Your puny rifles would be as ineffectual as
a bow and arrow against tanks, drones and bombs...even on fully automatic! IDIOT

Really? How's that working out in Afghanistan?

America is NOT Afghanistan! I thought you knew that but now I am not so sure!

hahahahahah, Sounds to me like typical REMF bullshit son.