Automation vs. $15hr Wage...

[Broncho4]

More and more business are opting to employ technology rather than $15hr minimum wage employees looking for full benefits packages. The economic model for human employees is becoming untenable with the increase in regulation. Why does the Left ignore this fate? It can't be as simple as pandering for votes.

Gov. Cuomo Raises Minimum Wage to $15 for All N.Y. Workers

It simply can't be sustained. As people become less involved in each others lives a touch screen becomes the preferred method of interaction anyway.

 

[rightwinger]

Automation will come regardless of what the minimum wage is
Minimum wage has been $7.25 for eight years and automation still comes

Using "You can be replaced by a machine if you are not willing to work for low wages" is laughable




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[jasonnfree]

A good read about automation is "Player Piano" by Vonnegut. He wrote it in the 50's. At least in this book, the unemployed workers received a stipend to survive on. Someone has to buy the products, right? I'm sure the right wingers on this board would call the stipend socialism, while at the same time praising the capitalist factory owners.

 

[Freemason9]

Where will the market be when humans no longer earn sustainable wages, or do not earn enough for discretionary spending? (Good luck to industry when it uses only technology and pays no wages; sales might decline somewhat. LOL)

 

[TNHarley]

Instead of fixing the retail economy, we just want to make shit worse. When will the fuckin madness end?

 

[saveliberty]

Automation will come regardless of what the minimum wage is
Minimum wage has been $7.25 for eight years and automation still comes

Using "You can be replaced by a machine if you are not willing to work for low wages" is laughable

Yes, as automation costs less than a worker, it will happen. That means folks need to raise their skill level for whatever jobs are left. Paying an unreasonable or unfounded wage rate does not promote change in the worker.

 

[danielpalos]

More and more business are opting to employ technology rather than $15hr minimum wage employees looking for full benefits packages. The economic model for human employees is becoming untenable with the increase in regulation. Why does the Left ignore this fate? It can't be as simple as pandering for votes.

Gov. Cuomo Raises Minimum Wage to $15 for All N.Y. Workers

It simply can't be sustained. As people become less involved in each others lives a touch screen becomes the preferred method of interaction anyway.

Some on the left have been advocating an actual solution to this social dilemma, for over a decade. Why not bailout Capitalism with enough socialism to solve for a natural rate of unemployment on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States?

 

[DGS49]

Basic Economic Facts:

When the price of any commodity is increased by Government mandate above the economic value of that commodity, the consumers of that commodity will do three things:

(1) Use less of it.

(2) Seek out alternatives, and if the discrepancy between value and price is great enough,

(3) Support a black market for the over-priced commodity.

Government mandates that the price of a bag of potato chips be $10.00:

(1) People eat fewer potato chips.

(2) People seek out other salty snacks.

(3) Entrepreneurs start making potato chips in their garages, and selling them out of the trunks of their cars for $8. (Still making a killing).

Government mandates that the minimum price of an hour of unskilled, inexperienced labor be $15:

(1) Employers cut hours of unskilled, inexperienced workers (Experienced, capable workers are required to pick up the slack).

(2) Automation and outsourcing are implemented where possible.

(3) Employers employ "undocumented" workers.

 

[Davros]

Automation will come regardless of what the minimum wage is
Minimum wage has been $7.25 for eight years and automation still comes

Using "You can be replaced by a machine if you are not willing to work for low wages" is laughable

Do you think raising the minimum wage will speed up or slow down automation and outsourcing? Yes, that is a rhetorical question.

If it is hard enough already for people to find entry level jobs, we should not be making it harder by forcing the minimum wage upwards.

 

[danielpalos]

Basic Economic Facts:

When the price of any commodity is increased by Government mandate above the economic value of that commodity, the consumers of that commodity will do three things:

(1) Use less of it.

(2) Seek out alternatives, and if the discrepancy between value and price is great enough,

(3) Support a black market for the over-priced commodity.

Government mandates that the price of a bag of potato chips be $10.00:

(1) People eat fewer potato chips.

(2) People seek out other salty snacks.

(3) Entrepreneurs start making potato chips in their garages, and selling them out of the trunks of their cars for $8. (Still making a killing).

Government mandates that the minimum price of an hour of unskilled, inexperienced labor be $15:

(1) Employers cut hours of unskilled, inexperienced workers (Experienced, capable workers are required to pick up the slack).

(2) Automation and outsourcing are implemented where possible.

(3) Employers employ "undocumented" workers.

Why not simply subsidize US labor at the rock bottom cost of a form of minimum wage, as a form of unemployment compensation to help Persons pursue other opportunity costs than directly competing in the market for labor?

The least wealthy tend to be the least prepared for entry into our modern and global economy. US labor should be able to apply for unemployment compensation simply for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

We could be better ensuring employment of resources in that market friendly manner under our form of Capitalism.

 

[Freemason9]

Basic Economic Facts:

When the price of any commodity is increased by Government mandate above the economic value of that commodity, the consumers of that commodity will do three things:

(1) Use less of it.

(2) Seek out alternatives, and if the discrepancy between value and price is great enough,

(3) Support a black market for the over-priced commodity.

Government mandates that the price of a bag of potato chips be $10.00:

(1) People eat fewer potato chips.

(2) People seek out other salty snacks.

(3) Entrepreneurs start making potato chips in their garages, and selling them out of the trunks of their cars for $8. (Still making a killing).

Government mandates that the minimum price of an hour of unskilled, inexperienced labor be $15:

(1) Employers cut hours of unskilled, inexperienced workers (Experienced, capable workers are required to pick up the slack).

(2) Automation and outsourcing are implemented where possible.

(3) Employers employ "undocumented" workers.

Non-sequitur

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Used to have automation in restaurants in like the 20s. Those vending machine 'automats' think they were. Notice there aren't around any more.

 

[Freemason9]

Automation will come regardless of what the minimum wage is
Minimum wage has been $7.25 for eight years and automation still comes

Using "You can be replaced by a machine if you are not willing to work for low wages" is laughable

Do you think raising the minimum wage will speed up or slow down automation and outsourcing? Yes, that is a rhetorical question.

If it is hard enough already for people to find entry level jobs, we should not be making it harder by forcing the minimum wage upwards.

Again, a population of underpaid labor will not continue to support a consumer-based economy. Your dream of a nation of serfs and slaves is all well and good, but capitalism depends upon markets to function.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Used to have automation in restaurants in like the 20s. Those vending machine 'automats' think they were. Notice there aren't around any more.

Government regulations no doubt had a hand in their discontinuation.

 

[danielpalos]

Used to have automation in restaurants in like the 20s. Those vending machine 'automats' think they were. Notice there aren't around any more.

is having cheap labor Good or Bad? how many advances in technology did we not discover due to cheap labor.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Used to have automation in restaurants in like the 20s. Those vending machine 'automats' think they were. Notice there aren't around any more.

Government regulations no doubt had a hand in their discontinuation.

Would expect it was more a matter of people like some human interaction, especially where their food is involved. Whole Mom or Dad cooking for ya sorta connection thing.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Used to have automation in restaurants in like the 20s. Those vending machine 'automats' think they were. Notice there aren't around any more.

is having cheap labor Good or Bad? how many advances in technology did we not discover due to cheap labor.

Unfortunately, most every technological leap came from a war. Computers began as artillery computers.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Used to have automation in restaurants in like the 20s. Those vending machine 'automats' think they were. Notice there aren't around any more.

Government regulations no doubt had a hand in their discontinuation.

Would expect it was more a matter of people like some human interaction, especially where their food is involved. Whole Mom or Dad cooking for ya sorta connection thing.

I'm willing to bet I'm right and you're wrong.

I did find this info:

The format was threatened by the arrival of fast food, served over the counter and with more payment flexibility than traditional automats, in the automats' core urban markets in the 1970s; their remaining appeal was strictly nostalgic. Another contributing factor to their demise was inflation of the 1970s, making the food too expensive to be bought conveniently with coins, in a time before bill acceptors commonly appeared on vending equipment

Automat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Davros]

Automation will come regardless of what the minimum wage is
Minimum wage has been $7.25 for eight years and automation still comes

Using "You can be replaced by a machine if you are not willing to work for low wages" is laughable

Do you think raising the minimum wage will speed up or slow down automation and outsourcing? Yes, that is a rhetorical question.

If it is hard enough already for people to find entry level jobs, we should not be making it harder by forcing the minimum wage upwards.

Again, a population of underpaid labor will not continue to support a consumer-based economy. Your dream of a nation of serfs and slaves is all well and good, but capitalism depends upon markets to function.

If the minimum wage goes up, there will be fewer jobs. The population of unpaid labor would be no better off in total and would not spend more in total.

 

[Freemason9]

Used to have automation in restaurants in like the 20s. Those vending machine 'automats' think they were. Notice there aren't around any more.

is having cheap labor Good or Bad? how many advances in technology did we not discover due to cheap labor.

Unfortunately, most every technological leap came from a war. Computers began as artillery computers.

And war funding comes from government spending, right? Think about it.