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It's laughable that vaginal ultrasound conducted to ensure accuracy is "too invasive" but the abortion itself is A-OK.
What complete crap.
Okay, next time you show up for a sore throat, take all your clothes off.
NO. They came in for an abortion. They agreed to an abortion. They are now being forced to jump through a million self-righteous hoops which congress should absolutely NOT be legislating, because the right wing is full of self-righteous shit.
Nope. Because you can tell the doctor you don't want him too. You can't say no to a transvaginal ultrasounds that is mandated by law.
I wonder what would stop say a woman from say going to a more friendly state for these kinds of services? or say an enterprising person to perhaps offer transportation to and from those facilities out of state? Much like the prescription express bus was to Mexico from here, given the current climate here in Arizona am sure it would not take too long for the good folks at the Center for Arizona Policy to get a bill passed making that somehow a no no as well.
The Arizona Senate has approved a bill that would shield doctors and others from so-called “wrongful birth” lawsuits.
Those are lawsuits that can arise if physicians don’t inform pregnant women of prenatal problems that could lead to the decision to have an abortion.
I wonder what would stop say a woman from say going to a more friendly state for these kinds of services? or say an enterprising person to perhaps offer transportation to and from those facilities out of state? Much like the prescription express bus was to Mexico from here, given the current climate here in Arizona am sure it would not take too long for the good folks at the Center for Arizona Policy to get a bill passed making that somehow a no no as well.
That's exactly what will happen, and I know it will happen, because that's what happened before. They're not stopping anything. Women are nothing if not resourceful.
"A measure signed by Gov. Jan Brewer will bar most abortions in Arizona after 20 weeks of pregnancy, a ban supporters say protects both mothers and fetuses but one that abortion-rights advocates say is among the most restrictive in the nation.
It bans all abortions after 20 weeks except in a medical emergency where an abortion would prevent the mothers death or substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function.
Seven states have similar restrictions."
Brewer signs bill banning most abortions after 20 weeks - News from The Arizona Republic
This is how an abortion is performed at 20 weeks. You heartless liberal.
"20 weeks:*
Dilation and Evacuation (D&E)
This method is used up to 18 weeks' gestation. Instead of the loop-shaped knife used in D&C abortions, a pair of forceps is inserted into the womb to grasp part of the fetus. The teeth of the forceps twist and tear the bones of the unborn child. This process is repeated until the fetus is totally dismembered and removed. Usually the spine must be snapped and the skull crushed in order to remove them."
"A measure signed by Gov. Jan Brewer will bar most abortions in Arizona after 20 weeks of pregnancy, a ban supporters say protects both mothers and fetuses but one that abortion-rights advocates say is among the most restrictive in the nation.
It bans all abortions after 20 weeks except in a medical emergency where an abortion would prevent the mothers death or substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function.
Seven states have similar restrictions."
Brewer signs bill banning most abortions after 20 weeks - News from The Arizona Republic
This is how an abortion is performed at 20 weeks. You heartless liberal.
"20 weeks:*
Dilation and Evacuation (D&E)
This method is used up to 18 weeks' gestation. Instead of the loop-shaped knife used in D&C abortions, a pair of forceps is inserted into the womb to grasp part of the fetus. The teeth of the forceps twist and tear the bones of the unborn child. This process is repeated until the fetus is totally dismembered and removed. Usually the spine must be snapped and the skull crushed in order to remove them."
Pro-choice is the allowance of choice and individual liberty. Isn't that what this country is all about? How can you want to limit choice in the name of your specific religion and still call yourself an american? It's so hypocritical and preposterous. I understand you want to do something good, and I don't like abortion either, and I'm an atheist, but you have to give people that CHOICE. You do not get to decide for other people because you believe your religion is true. Have some respect for other people's beliefs. A bunch of cells is not a human. It is potential, but not a feeling, breathing human. I don't know at what point it is acceptable to terminate that potential, but there is a point, and it is past conception, and before the nervous system is fully formed, in my opinion. (late-term abortions should not be allowed in my opinion, except under extreme cicrumstances)
I personally do not believe in abortion...but I respect those that feel it is invasive to their choices to ban it, so my tolerance for the beliefs of others has me supporting the pro choice side.
However....the question is not really about choice. It is, and has always been, whether or not abortion is murder...whuich stems from "when does life begin."
now...you say "a bunch of cells" is not a human life.....I agree.
However...if that "bunch of cells" is dependant upon a human being to grow...via the umbilical chord/placenta....then maybe it is not just a bunch of cells?
Look at it this way.....what other than a human being requires human antibodies and human blood cells to survive?
So you see, it is not just the religious right that feel that way...many form a science background see a fetus as a human being...from a scientific standpoint.
Unless, of course, you can cite what other than a lviing human requires human antibodies to survive....
All I know, is that a newly conceived egg does not feel pain, therefore, without suffering, the death of that egg can not be said to be immoral. Conscious suffering is what largely defines immorality to me. It is to inflict suffering unnecessarily on a being that does not choose it or does not have the ability to defend against it (e.g., factory farmed animals... why don't we talk about their suffering? Go vegan EARTHLINGS - Make the Connection. | Nation Earth )
I do see a sufficiently formed fetus as a human. I just don't know at what point a human is a human, and hence the crux of the problem. Yet I will universally deny the theist position that life starts at conception, and based on that theism, legislate against it. That is immoral, because you now forcing people to do what they do not want to, when it is their body.
Why not force the abortion clinics to determine the age of the baby with the highest degree of accuracy possible?
By refusing to allow this to happen, you are saying you're okay with substandard services.
Which of course, leads to more botched abortions.
But that's okay with progressives, because the main objective has never been the safety of the female. The #1 priority has ALWAYS been to kill the baby. Regardless of the consequences.
You want to talk botched abortions? *hardly ever happen, by the way* - look at life as a female, pre-the bill. Pre-Roe v Wade.
