Bachmann’s Husband Tied To ‘Pray Away The Gay Therapy’

[Iridescence]

Perhaps 'it all' is a mental disorder.... considering the phucked up relationships most of us find ourselves in.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

the post implied that he took money from medicare to prey the gay away, and no one has proven that he did. So far, there has only been opinion, and emotion.

Bachmann's husband got $137,000 in Medicaid funds

Bachmann's husband got $137,000 in Medicaid funds - politics - Decision 2012 - msnbc.com

Momanohedhunter, since this fact was already established with you at post 137, I can only assume that means you are either or a











http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...-pray-away-the-gay-therapy-6.html#post3868027

You forgot the one that shows he took medicare money for praying the gay away. Try harder. And that same link was posted allready. Come on.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

the post implied that he took money from medicare to prey the gay away, and no one has proven that he did. So far, there has only been opinion, and emotion.

Bachmann's husband got $137,000 in Medicaid funds

Bachmann's husband got $137,000 in Medicaid funds - politics - Decision 2012 - msnbc.com

The fact that his clinic gets medicare money is a known fact. That it payed for prey away the gay has not been proven.

Momanohedhunter, since this fact was already established with you at post 137, I can only assume that means you are either or a











http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...-pray-away-the-gay-therapy-6.html#post3868027

This is what you need here. You have shown none, or none showing he got money for preying away the gay.

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[Momanohedhunter]

Val,, Talking points memo ? Is that any better then the gay persons news paper ? Even if it were it is still short on the facts. Feeble attempt. Here is the link

Michele Bachmann Defends Medicaid Payments To Husband's Clinic | TPMDC

 

[Seawytch]

He received Federal funds for his clinic. Some of these federal funds were used to train staff. His clinic practices the discredited "conversion therapy". Wouldn't this "staff" have been trained on all the areas the clinic engages in, including the discredited reparative therapy?

Should federal dollars be used to fund, in any way, a therapy that all major medical and mental health organizations have deemed bogus and potentially dangerous?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Do some forms of prayer effect the chemical make up within our brains? I'm geared toward the ascetics. Perhaps this therapy may be controversial because it could prove to be dangerous but that also affirms it to be most effective for some.

Neurology is fascinating because of the spiritual depths revealed.

That’s not the issue.

The issue is does Bachmann practice medicine per established and accepted methods.

If not he can turn in his license to practice and start a Voodoo doctor business instead.

Thanks for making my point even if that was not your intent. The term 'pray away the gay' is not in the Exodus International statement' and it is obviously a made up transparent cliche'. Will you concede, based on the posts on this board, that MOST gays HATE all Christians and conservatives?

It is very lawyer like of you to use quotation marks when you reference the term.

When a gay person seeks counseling for their 'gayness' I suggest that they do so because they THINK they have a mental problem. I happen to agree with them and counseling and a prayer does no harm.

Medical professionals disagree on many procedures and practices. That is where the 'get a second opinion' on medical matters came from.

In the cited material Exodus is explicit in that it believes homosexuality can be ‘cured’ through prayer and adherence to Christian biblical interpretation. Of course Exodus and like organizations aren’t going to use the exact phrase ‘pray away the gay,’ which is immaterial – the intent is the same: that homosexuality is some sort of ‘affliction’ like drinking or gambling and a resolution can be realized via prayer. Consequently, this is not a contrivance of the gay community.

And it s not an ‘attack’ on Christianity by homosexuals but a justified defense.

It is also an example of the arrogance, intolerance, and ignorance of many Christians that homosexuality is not an appropriate existence – whether by choice or design – it’s not Christians’ decision to make.

 

[Si modo]

....

The issue is does Bachmann practice medicine per established and accepted methods.

....

A point on accuracy, he does not practice medicine.

Regardless, that is exactly the question I need answered.

Here is what the authority (American Counseling Association) of his profession says what to do when a client wants this sort of therapy:

....

In summary, if clients still decide that they wish to seek conversion therapy as a form of treatment, counselors should also help clients understand what types of information they should seek from any practitioner who does engage in conversion therapy. The Committee members agree that counselors who offer conversion therapy are providing "treatment that has no empirical or scientific foundation" (ACA, 2005, C.6.e.) and, therefore, must "must define the techniques/procedures as 'unproven' or 'developing' and explain the potential risks and ethical considerations of using such techniques/procedures and take steps to protect clients from possible harm" (ACA, C.6.e.). Additionally, any client seeking treatment is entitled to complete information about the treatment. This is consistent with A.2.b (Types of Information Needed) that state "counselors explicitly explain to clients the nature of all services provided. They inform clients about issues such as, but not limited to, the following: the purposes, goals, techniques, procedures, limitations, potential risks, and benefits of services; the counselor's qualifications, credentials, and relevant experience; continuation of services upon the incapacitation or death of a counselor; and other pertinent information." Counselors who do not include this information would be considered by the Committee to be in violation of the ACA Code of Ethics.

There also was agreement among the Committee members that any counselors stating that they can offer conversion therapy must also offer referrals to gay, lesbian, and bisexual-affirmative counselors and should discuss thoroughly the right of clients to seek these professionals' counsel. In doing so, counselors must explore with clients the underlying reasons for their interest in changing their sexual orientation and discuss the social, political, and religious influences that underpin homophobia that may be harming the client.

Counselor Education

Finally, in addition to educating potential clients about conversion therapy, the members of the Ethics Committee agreed that counselor education training programs must also adhere to section F.6.f (Innovative Theories and Techniques), which states that "when counselor educators teach counseling techniques/procedures that are innovative, without an empirical foundation, or without a well-grounded theoretical foundation, they define the counseling techniques/procedures as 'unproven' or 'developing' and explain to students the potential risks and ethical considerations of using such techniques/procedures." A similar approach to informed consent for clients seeking conversion therapy must be upheld when discussing this treatment with counseling students.

....

So, if Bachmann did this, he is within the guidelines of his profession. I can't tell whether he does this or not.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

He received Federal funds for his clinic. Some of these federal funds were used to train staff. His clinic practices the discredited "conversion therapy". Wouldn't this "staff" have been trained on all the areas the clinic engages in, including the discredited reparative therapy?

Should federal dollars be used to fund, in any way, a therapy that all major medical and mental health organizations have deemed bogus and potentially dangerous?

Still no proof it was used to train the gay away. So you admit that it is your opinion. Cool.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

....

The issue is does Bachmann practice medicine per established and accepted methods.

....

A point on accuracy, he does not practice medicine.

Regardless, that is exactly the question I need answered.

Here is what the authority (American Counseling Association) of his profession says what to do when a client wants this sort of therapy:

....

In summary, if clients still decide that they wish to seek conversion therapy as a form of treatment, counselors should also help clients understand what types of information they should seek from any practitioner who does engage in conversion therapy. The Committee members agree that counselors who offer conversion therapy are providing "treatment that has no empirical or scientific foundation" (ACA, 2005, C.6.e.) and, therefore, must "must define the techniques/procedures as 'unproven' or 'developing' and explain the potential risks and ethical considerations of using such techniques/procedures and take steps to protect clients from possible harm" (ACA, C.6.e.). Additionally, any client seeking treatment is entitled to complete information about the treatment. This is consistent with A.2.b (Types of Information Needed) that state "counselors explicitly explain to clients the nature of all services provided. They inform clients about issues such as, but not limited to, the following: the purposes, goals, techniques, procedures, limitations, potential risks, and benefits of services; the counselor's qualifications, credentials, and relevant experience; continuation of services upon the incapacitation or death of a counselor; and other pertinent information." Counselors who do not include this information would be considered by the Committee to be in violation of the ACA Code of Ethics.

There also was agreement among the Committee members that any counselors stating that they can offer conversion therapy must also offer referrals to gay, lesbian, and bisexual-affirmative counselors and should discuss thoroughly the right of clients to seek these professionals' counsel. In doing so, counselors must explore with clients the underlying reasons for their interest in changing their sexual orientation and discuss the social, political, and religious influences that underpin homophobia that may be harming the client.

Counselor Education

Finally, in addition to educating potential clients about conversion therapy, the members of the Ethics Committee agreed that counselor education training programs must also adhere to section F.6.f (Innovative Theories and Techniques), which states that "when counselor educators teach counseling techniques/procedures that are innovative, without an empirical foundation, or without a well-grounded theoretical foundation, they define the counseling techniques/procedures as 'unproven' or 'developing' and explain to students the potential risks and ethical considerations of using such techniques/procedures." A similar approach to informed consent for clients seeking conversion therapy must be upheld when discussing this treatment with counseling students.

....

So, if Bachmann did this, he is within the guidelines of his profession. I can't tell whether he does this or not.

So you have gone to the web site ? And they have described the procedures they use and you quoted there words on there methods ? If not, you are only posting speculations and opinions.

 

[Si modo]

....

The issue is does Bachmann practice medicine per established and accepted methods.

....

A point on accuracy, he does not practice medicine.

Regardless, that is exactly the question I need answered.

Here is what the authority (American Counseling Association) of his profession says what to do when a client wants this sort of therapy:

....

In summary, if clients still decide that they wish to seek conversion therapy as a form of treatment, counselors should also help clients understand what types of information they should seek from any practitioner who does engage in conversion therapy. The Committee members agree that counselors who offer conversion therapy are providing "treatment that has no empirical or scientific foundation" (ACA, 2005, C.6.e.) and, therefore, must "must define the techniques/procedures as 'unproven' or 'developing' and explain the potential risks and ethical considerations of using such techniques/procedures and take steps to protect clients from possible harm" (ACA, C.6.e.). Additionally, any client seeking treatment is entitled to complete information about the treatment. This is consistent with A.2.b (Types of Information Needed) that state "counselors explicitly explain to clients the nature of all services provided. They inform clients about issues such as, but not limited to, the following: the purposes, goals, techniques, procedures, limitations, potential risks, and benefits of services; the counselor's qualifications, credentials, and relevant experience; continuation of services upon the incapacitation or death of a counselor; and other pertinent information." Counselors who do not include this information would be considered by the Committee to be in violation of the ACA Code of Ethics.

There also was agreement among the Committee members that any counselors stating that they can offer conversion therapy must also offer referrals to gay, lesbian, and bisexual-affirmative counselors and should discuss thoroughly the right of clients to seek these professionals' counsel. In doing so, counselors must explore with clients the underlying reasons for their interest in changing their sexual orientation and discuss the social, political, and religious influences that underpin homophobia that may be harming the client.

Counselor Education

Finally, in addition to educating potential clients about conversion therapy, the members of the Ethics Committee agreed that counselor education training programs must also adhere to section F.6.f (Innovative Theories and Techniques), which states that "when counselor educators teach counseling techniques/procedures that are innovative, without an empirical foundation, or without a well-grounded theoretical foundation, they define the counseling techniques/procedures as 'unproven' or 'developing' and explain to students the potential risks and ethical considerations of using such techniques/procedures." A similar approach to informed consent for clients seeking conversion therapy must be upheld when discussing this treatment with counseling students.

....

So, if Bachmann did this, he is within the guidelines of his profession. I can't tell whether he does this or not.

So you have gone to the web site ? And they have described the procedures they use and you quoted there words on there methods ? If not, you are only posting speculations and opinions.

I linked to the site, above, so you can read it for yourself.

But, sometimes the blue for links is not that obviously different from black, depending on lighting. Here: (American Counseling Association)

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Here are some facts.


Clinic President, Clinical Therapist
Education: MA – Regent University, VA
PhD – Clinical Psychology, Union Graduate School, OH
Years of experience: 23

Specializing in: Marriage and Family, Depression/Anxiety, Anger Management, Family of Origin Issues, and Conference/Seminar Speaking.

Works with ages 5 and older

Personal Mission Statement: I believe my call is to minister to the needs of people in a practical, effective, and sensitive way. Christ is the Almighty Counselor. My wife and I are the parents of 5 children and have been foster parents to more than 20 children.

Marcus Bachmann, PhD | Bachmann & Associates | St. Paul MN Counseling Clinic | Burnsville MN Therapist | Woodbury MN CounselorBachmann and Associates

A list of services

SPECIALTIES

Anger Management
Communication - Conflict Resolution
Individual, Family, and Group Therapy
Marriage Counseling
Medication Management
Self-Esteem
Workshops, Seminars, and Presentations

COUNSELOR SPECIALTIES

Abuse Issues
Addictions
Adolescent Issues
Adoption Issues
Adult Children of Alcoholics
Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD/ADHD)
Children
Co-Dependency
Depression
Eating Disorders
Family of Origin Issues
Grief & Loss
Learning Disabilities
Marital Problems
Men’s & Women’s Issues
Parenting & Family Issues
Shame
Spiritual Issues

And here is a link to the web site. Again.

Welcome | Bachmann and AssociatesBachmann and Associates

 

[Momanohedhunter]

A point on accuracy, he does not practice medicine.

Regardless, that is exactly the question I need answered.

Here is what the authority (American Counseling Association) of his profession says what to do when a client wants this sort of therapy:

So, if Bachmann did this, he is within the guidelines of his profession. I can't tell whether he does this or not.

So you have gone to the web site ? And they have described the procedures they use and you quoted there words on there methods ? If not, you are only posting speculations and opinions.

I linked to the site, above, so you can read it for yourself.

But, sometimes the blue for links is not that obviously different from black, depending on lighting. Here: (American Counseling Association)

Cool and fine, but ware is the fraud ? People have the right to be treated for what ever by whom ever. Medicare should not be used to pay for it. Medicare fraud was implied, and is yet to be proven. As for any psychiatric or medical association, what they put out as opinion needs to be taken with a grain of salt, as there opinions are typically for sale, or changed year after year depending on what the current fad is at the time.

 

[Si modo]

So you have gone to the web site ? And they have described the procedures they use and you quoted there words on there methods ? If not, you are only posting speculations and opinions.

I linked to the site, above, so you can read it for yourself.

But, sometimes the blue for links is not that obviously different from black, depending on lighting. Here: (American Counseling Association)

Cool and fine, but ware is the fraud ? People have the right to be treated for what ever by whom ever. Medicare should not be used to pay for it. Medicare fraud was implied, and is yet to be proven. As for any psychiatric or medical association, what they put out as opinion needs to be taken with a grain of salt, as there opinions are typically for sale, or changed year after year depending on what the current fad is at the time.

MH, I didn't say anything about fraud.

Some seem to be either claiming that this counseling style is illegal or they want it illegal. It's not illegal, and it seems that those who are actually in a position to make an educated and informed decision about this style of counseling, also haven't forbidden it from their practices. Close, though.

There are way too many hysterics going on here.

 

[ABikerSailor]

If you're gonna "pray away the gay" you may as well ask for a pair of wings and gills as well.

All three would have the exact same effect, to wit, not gonna happen.

 

[Too Tall]

So you have gone to the web site ? And they have described the procedures they use and you quoted there words on there methods ? If not, you are only posting speculations and opinions.

I linked to the site, above, so you can read it for yourself.

But, sometimes the blue for links is not that obviously different from black, depending on lighting. Here: (American Counseling Association)

Cool and fine, but ware is the fraud ? People have the right to be treated for what ever by whom ever. Medicare should not be used to pay for it. Medicare fraud was implied, and is yet to be proven. As for any psychiatric or medical association, what they put out as opinion needs to be taken with a grain of salt, as there opinions are typically for sale, or changed year after year depending on what the current fad is at the time.

I hate to be picky but I am sure you meant to say Medicaid, not Medicare. Medicare is a federal insurance program for those over 65. Medicaid is the United States health program for people and families with low incomes and resources. It is a means-tested program that is jointly funded by the state and federal governments, and is managed by the states

 

[CitizenPained]

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[Momanohedhunter]

I linked to the site, above, so you can read it for yourself.

But, sometimes the blue for links is not that obviously different from black, depending on lighting. Here: (American Counseling Association)

Cool and fine, but ware is the fraud ? People have the right to be treated for what ever by whom ever. Medicare should not be used to pay for it. Medicare fraud was implied, and is yet to be proven. As for any psychiatric or medical association, what they put out as opinion needs to be taken with a grain of salt, as there opinions are typically for sale, or changed year after year depending on what the current fad is at the time.

I hate to be picky but I am sure you meant to say Medicaid, not Medicare. Medicare is a federal insurance program for those over 65. Medicaid is the United States health program for people and families with low incomes and resources. It is a means-tested program that is jointly funded by the state and federal governments, and is managed by the states

Does not matter you knew what I meant. You still cant show any document that says he took any gubment money to prey away the gay.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

I linked to the site, above, so you can read it for yourself.

But, sometimes the blue for links is not that obviously different from black, depending on lighting. Here: (American Counseling Association)

Cool and fine, but ware is the fraud ? People have the right to be treated for what ever by whom ever. Medicare should not be used to pay for it. Medicare fraud was implied, and is yet to be proven. As for any psychiatric or medical association, what they put out as opinion needs to be taken with a grain of salt, as there opinions are typically for sale, or changed year after year depending on what the current fad is at the time.

MH, I didn't say anything about fraud.

Some seem to be either claiming that this counseling style is illegal or they want it illegal. It's not illegal, and it seems that those who are actually in a position to make an educated and informed decision about this style of counseling, also haven't forbidden it from their practices. Close, though.

There are way too many hysterics going on here.

To much opinion and emotion, but no facts. They have also not shown any cases of people being forced by the man to have there gay preyed away. All marks of the pseudo intellectual.

 

[Gadawg73]

I linked to the site, above, so you can read it for yourself.

But, sometimes the blue for links is not that obviously different from black, depending on lighting. Here: (American Counseling Association)

Cool and fine, but ware is the fraud ? People have the right to be treated for what ever by whom ever. Medicare should not be used to pay for it. Medicare fraud was implied, and is yet to be proven. As for any psychiatric or medical association, what they put out as opinion needs to be taken with a grain of salt, as there opinions are typically for sale, or changed year after year depending on what the current fad is at the time.

I hate to be picky but I am sure you meant to say Medicaid, not Medicare. Medicare is a federal insurance program for those over 65. Medicaid is the United States health program for people and families with low incomes and resources. It is a means-tested program that is jointly funded by the state and federal governments, and is managed by the states

Medicare pays for disabled folks on social security disability at any age.
And there are millions on it.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Cool and fine, but ware is the fraud ? People have the right to be treated for what ever by whom ever. Medicare should not be used to pay for it. Medicare fraud was implied, and is yet to be proven. As for any psychiatric or medical association, what they put out as opinion needs to be taken with a grain of salt, as there opinions are typically for sale, or changed year after year depending on what the current fad is at the time.

I hate to be picky but I am sure you meant to say Medicaid, not Medicare. Medicare is a federal insurance program for those over 65. Medicaid is the United States health program for people and families with low incomes and resources. It is a means-tested program that is jointly funded by the state and federal governments, and is managed by the states

Medicare pays for disabled folks on social security disability at any age.
And there are millions on it.

but nothing proving he took any government or state money to prey away the gay.