Banned for Reading Bible BEFORE Class

[CrusaderFrank]

I believe in Jesus but a child shouldn't be forced to accept religion....

It should be a personal choice outside of the school....

He was reading to himself, how does that trigger a Progressive?

 

[Divine Wind]

, to put his Bible away because the sight of a Bible made Martel uncomfortable.

Lol.
How very precious.

She seems to have a bug up her ass. As the linked article noted, this isn't the first time NAU has been in the news for less-than-stellar academic examples.

2017 Northern Arizona University Rankings

 

[Divine Wind]

... I'd like to hear what the professors side is. There were other students there, lets see if they support the bible claim

Awesome, me too. Let me know when you come up with that.

 

[irosie91]

l read it too------the tape does not reveal much. It is "possible"----that the student was confrontational with the Prof. with REFERENCE TO THE BIBLE-----ie trying
to knock her views based on bible quotations-----which even I agree would put
the student in the wrong.

 

[rightwinger]

... I'd like to hear what the professors side is. There were other students there, lets see if they support the bible claim

Awesome, me too. Let me know when you come up with that.

Bible reading not allowed before class, professor tells student

However, I did obtain an email Martel sent to Holden warning him about “disruptive behavior.”

“For the remainder of the class, I will ask you to move to one of the desks along the wall by the door,” she wrote. “The roll sheet will be passed to you. You will make sure that students who come in late sign in. I will also require that you respect me and the other students in the class by acting in a civil manner.”

In a separate email addressed to the entire class, Martel vowed to “re-instate civility” in the classroom.



So, my take on what may be the rest of the story...

Holden had been warned about disruptive behavior and was told to take a desk along the wall by the door. The professor came into the class and found Holden seated front and center reading a bible. The professor probably told him to move to the agreed to desk at which time the student claimed he was disciplined for "reading the bible"

Lets hear what the University and professor has to say as to their version of events

 

[irosie91]

... I'd like to hear what the professors side is. There were other students there, lets see if they support the bible claim

Awesome, me too. Let me know when you come up with that.

Bible reading not allowed before class, professor tells student

that's what the student CLAIMED. Sheeeeesh-----this story is getting
more and more idiotic

 

[Tilly]

Student Complaints Prompt Arizona Lawmaker To Question Regents’ Role

AZ Board of Regents‏' tuition increase workshop on March 30

BY: R. ROTH MAY 2, 2017

In the wake of reports of abuse of conservative students by professors at Arizona’s public universities, Arizona lawmakers are questioning the role of the Arizona Board of Regents. On Monday, Rep. Mark Finchem called for greater accountability and oversight of the Regents and their subsequent oversight of the activities of the three state universities.

Recent reports of professorial bullying to advance ideological agendas have given several members of the House to ask if taxpayer resources are being “properly respected and funding quality higher education.”...

https://arizonadailyindependent.com...pt-arizona-lawmaker-to-question-regents-role/

 

[TNHarley]

Martel - History - Northern Arizona University
IDK if I would call this fake.. If it is, this woman heather will make a shitload of cash from suing this guy...

 

[bodecea]

It’s apparently OK to read history books at Northern Arizona University, but not the Good Book.

Mark Holden, a 22-year-old history major, tells me he was ordered to leave a lecture hall after his professor objected to him reading the Bible before the start of the class.

“All the students agreed with her that assimilation is oppressive and evil.”

Holden alleges that professor Heather Martel ordered him to put away the Good Book around six minutes before a scheduled history class. It’s unclear why she objected to the reading of God’s word.

According to her biography, Professor Martel is a noted scholar who is working on an essay titled, “The Gender Amazon: Indigenous Female Masculinity in Early Modern European Representations of Contact.” She also teaches classes on Global Queer History and Feminist Theory.

When Holden declined to stop reading his Bible, the professor summoned Derek Heng, the chairman of the department. Heng then proceeded to explain the situation.

Holden recorded the conversation and turned it over to congressional candidate Kevin Cavanaugh. In turn, Cavanaugh provided me with a copy of the audio.

"So Professor Martel says that she doesn't want you sitting in front of her because you put, you know, a Bible out, right?" Heng said.

"So she doesn't want me in the front because I have my Bible out," Holden replied.

"No, I think she — I mean, well, why do you have your Bible out anyway," Heng asked.

After a bit more back and forth regarding the dynamics in the classroom, the chairman of the department got to the heart of the issue. "So, will you, will you, will you, put your Bible away?" Heng asked.

The incident occurred back in February, but just recently became public after Campus Reform reported on the controversy.

Holden had previously drawn the ire of his professor during a classroom discussion on assimilation.

"All the students agreed with her that assimilation is oppressive and evil," Holden said. "I suggested there are both positive and negative aspects to assimilation."

As an example, he referenced a report about two Muslim men in California who reportedly said the Koran justified doing terrible things to women.

"She told me I was a racist and she would not tolerate that kind of racism in the class," Holden said. "I told her Islam was not a race and I was only talking about what the two Muslim men as individuals said — I was not making broad claims about Islam or my interpretation of the Koran."

After a bit of back and forth, Holden said the professor told the class, "Welcome to Trump's new America — where straight white males can say prejudicial things without being reprimanded for it."

Nothing like feeling persecuted.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I believe in Jesus but a child shouldn't be forced to accept religion....

It should be a personal choice outside of the school....

He was reading to himself, how does that trigger a Progressive?

"Just because any religious idea, any idea of any god at all, any flirtation even with a god, is the most inexpressible foulness, particularly tolerantly (and often even favourably) accepted by the democratic bourgeoisie—for that very reason it is the most dangerous foulness, the most shameful “infection.”

A million physical sins, dirty tricks, acts of violence and infections are much more easily discovered by the crowd, and therefore are much less dangerous, than the nubile, spiritual idea of god, dressed up in the most attractive “ideological” costumes."
Letter from Lenin to Maxim Gorky, Written on November 13 or 14, 1913 Lenin 55. TO MAXIM GORKY



They've learned their lessons well, the Progressives, Liberals and other Communists.

 

[Divine Wind]

I'm sorry...but the whole thing reads like fake news

If they have a tape, why can't we hear it?

The tape was linked. Here it is again:

AUDIO: student forced to stop reading Bible before class

 

[Divine Wind]

... I'd like to hear what the professors side is. There were other students there, lets see if they support the bible claim

Awesome, me too. Let me know when you come up with that.

Bible reading not allowed before class, professor tells student

that's what the student CLAIMED. Sheeeeesh-----this story is getting
more and more idiotic

The school will investigate. Since this was six(?) minutes before class, no doubt there were many witnesses to the incident.

If the University finds the professor blameless, they'll say so. If they find the story correct, they'll keep it quiet citing privacy rules.

 

[rightwinger]

I'm sorry...but the whole thing reads like fake news

If they have a tape, why can't we hear it?

The tape was linked. Here it is again:

AUDIO: student forced to stop reading Bible before class

I listened to the tape and thought it would be a smoking gun of the teacher telling the student she didn't want him reading the bible. What it is ...is a tape of the student relaying his side of the story of being banned for reading a bible


My gut feeling on what really happened. The student was a disruptive student in class who had been repeatedly warned about civility. The teacher had lost control of the class and was trying to enforce measures of civility. The student had been told to occupy a desk at the rear of the classroom. So....the kid shows up to class and sits front and center and pulls out his bible. When the professor told him to take his agreed upon seat, he claimed it was because he was reading a bible not because of his previous disruptive behavior

 

[Divine Wind]

...Lets hear what the University and professor has to say as to their version of events

Agreed. Please post that when it comes out. We certainly don't want fucking assholes prejudging others before all the facts are in, do we? LOL

 

[rightwinger]

An email from the professor to Holden

However, I did obtain an email Martel sent to Holden warning him about “disruptive behavior.”

“For the remainder of the class, I will ask you to move to one of the desks along the wall by the door,” she wrote. “The roll sheet will be passed to you. You will make sure that students who come in late sign in. I will also require that you respect me and the other students in the class by acting in a civil manner.”

In a separate email addressed to the entire class, Martel vowed to “re-instate civility” in the classroom.



It appears Holden is a disruptive hothead who continually disrupts the class and is abusive towards other students. His "They won't let me read a Bible before class" is a ruse in retaliation of his being told where to sit and how to behave

 

[Tilly]

An adult who is made so 'uncomfortable' by the sight of a bible that it must be hidden from her view, has no place in a Western University.

 

[Tilly]

An email from the professor to Holden

However, I did obtain an email Martel sent to Holden warning him about “disruptive behavior.”

“For the remainder of the class, I will ask you to move to one of the desks along the wall by the door,” she wrote. “The roll sheet will be passed to you. You will make sure that students who come in late sign in. I will also require that you respect me and the other students in the class by acting in a civil manner.”

In a separate email addressed to the entire class, Martel vowed to “re-instate civility” in the classroom.



It appears Holden is a disruptive hothead who continually disrupts the class and is abusive towards other students. His "They won't let me read a Bible before class" is a ruse in retaliation of his being told where to sit and how to behave

Or maybe 'it appears' this is an example of professorial bullying of students who express opinions not shared by the progressive lecturer?

 

[Picaro]

He was reading to himself, how does that trigger a Progressive?

Because it wasn't a Koran.

 

[Picaro]

Martel - History - Northern Arizona University
IDK if I would call this fake.. If it is, this woman heather will make a shitload of cash from suing this guy...

Just her bio is enough to make anything she says about the issue have less than zero credibility, and the student's story far more likely.

 

[Divine Wind]

An email from the professor to Holden

However, I did obtain an email Martel sent to Holden warning him about “disruptive behavior.”

“For the remainder of the class, I will ask you to move to one of the desks along the wall by the door,” she wrote. “The roll sheet will be passed to you. You will make sure that students who come in late sign in. I will also require that you respect me and the other students in the class by acting in a civil manner.”

In a separate email addressed to the entire class, Martel vowed to “re-instate civility” in the classroom.


It appears Holden is a disruptive hothead who continually disrupts the class and is abusive towards other students. His "They won't let me read a Bible before class" is a ruse in retaliation of his being told where to sit and how to behave

Funny how you want to wait until the facts are in before judging then post a linkless email supposedly from Martel prejudicial of Holden. What are you hiding?

Let's say Holden was exactly as you say, a disruptive fucking asshole. What does that have to do with Holden's reading material before class? Since there were, no doubt, plenty of witnesses to this incident, I'm sure the truth will come out on who is in the wrong here.