Banning Abortion- A fool's errand

[progressive hunter]

Birth control is only as smart as the person using it.

I knew this girl when I was in the service. Asian-American, college educated, devout Catholic, strict parents. She was engaged to one of my fellow NCO's. Well, she "forgot" to take birth control when her boyfriend wasn't following up on the marrying her part. Then she had an abortion because she didn't want her parents to know that she wasn't still a virgin at 22.

A year later, she hooked back up with the same guy and the same thing happened.

We can scream birth control until we are blue in the face, but people will still make bad decisions.

they will think twice now that options are limited,,,

 

[Lesh]

they will think twice now that options are limited,,,

Men however don't need to think at all though huh?

THEY can't get preggers

 

[progressive hunter]

Men however don't need to think at all though huh?

THEY can't get preggers

havent you heard??

men can now get preggers,,,
sucks to be a lefty and have your own delusions fuck you in the ass,,,

 

[Lesh]

havent you heard??

men can now get preggers,,,
sucks to be a lefty and have your own delusions fuck you in the ass,,,

Men can unintentionally get pregnant?

You have some strange delusions

 

[progressive hunter]

Men can unintentionally get pregnant?

You have some strange delusions

thats what you lefties have been saying,,,

 

[JoeB131]

There is a prohibition on murder, yet we still have a lot of murders.

Using your TardLogic™, we should just legalize murder.

Okay, let's look at that. We have 16,000 murders in this country a year. It's ridiculously high compared to other industrialized countries, but you are unlikely to be murdered. why? Because there is universal agreement that murder is wrong. Police will investigate, juries will convict, etc.

ON the other hand, 600,000 abortions performed every year. Even when abortion was illegal, women were very rarely prosecuted for having them and providers were only prosecuted if they really screwed up and maimed someone.

So the better analogy would be smoking pot, or prostitution... where the laws are there thanks to moral scolds, but no one takes them seriously.

 

[JoeB131]

So funny that the my body my choice abortionists are all about banning anti vaxxers from legal activities

If your aborted fetus was going around infecting people, we'd probably have to consider it.

 

[Lesh]

thats what you lefties have been saying,,,

Dude...what are you smoking?

 

[progressive hunter]

Dude...what are you smoking?

dont get mad at me,, its you lefties that have been saying it,,

 

[JoeB131]

they will think twice now that options are limited,,,

You are right. they'll put a lot more thought into how to get that abortion... but they'll still have unwanted pregnancies and abortions.

 

[Dana7360]

Wrong.

The right to privacy has long been acknowledged in Constitutional case law.

Also long established is the fact that prior to birth, an embryo/fetus is not entitled to Constitutional protections.

I will add that the constitution clearly says we have privacy with our bodies.

Which means the government can't tell us what we can or can't do with our own bodies. In fact, it's the first listed in the Amendment, houses, papers and effects come next in the Amendment. That's how important it was to our founders that the government keeps their noses out of our bodies.

Which is why Roe V. Wade was decided and established under the 4 Amendment right to privacy.

 

[Dana7360]

This BS will backfire on Republicans in the midterms - Just you wait!

Exactly.

Women will come out in droves to put a stop to this.

I will be extremely surprised if we don't see a repeat of 2018.

The stupid republicans just handed the next election to the democrats.

Almost all women are horrified by the Texas law. Especially the fact that there is no exception for rape and incest.

Even most anti abortion people agree with the exception for rape and incest.

So republican women will either not vote or vote for a democrat.

Democrat and Independent women will vote in droves to get rid of these republicans who take women's rights from us so callously.

 

[progressive hunter]

I will add that the constitution clearly says we have privacy with our bodies.

Which means the government can't tell us what we can or can't do with our own bodies. In fact, it's the first listed in the Amendment, houses, papers and effects come next in the Amendment. That's how important it was to our founders that the government keeps their noses out of our bodies.

Which is why Roe V. Wade was decided and established under the 4 Amendment right to privacy.

funny you didnt link to where in the constitution that is clearly written,,,

 

[g5000]

Okay, let's look at that. We have 16,000 murders in this country a year. It's ridiculously high compared to other industrialized countries, but you are unlikely to be murdered. why? Because there is universal agreement that murder is wrong. Police will investigate, juries will convict, etc.

ON the other hand, 600,000 abortions performed every year. Even when abortion was illegal, women were very rarely prosecuted for having them and providers were only prosecuted if they really screwed up and maimed someone.

So the better analogy would be smoking pot, or prostitution... where the laws are there thanks to moral scolds, but no one takes them seriously.

There were 267,988 robberies in 2019.

Most violent and property crimes in the U.S. go unsolved

In 2015, 47% of the violent crimes and 35% of the property crimes tracked by the Bureau of Justice Statistics were reported to police.

www.pewresearch.org

We should legalize robbery.

 

[Penelope]

havent you heard??

men can now get preggers,,,
sucks to be a lefty and have your own delusions fuck you in the ass,,,

Is Caitlyn Marie Jenner Republican running for gov of CA too old?

 

[Penelope]

progressive hunter
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The Constitution of the United States and United States Bill of Rights do not explicitly include a right to privacy. ... The Supreme Court in Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965) found in that the Constitution guarantees a right to privacy against governmental intrusion via penumbras located in the founding text.

Right to privacy - Wikipedia​

 

[progressive hunter]

progressive hunter
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The Constitution of the United States and United States Bill of Rights do not explicitly include a right to privacy. ... The Supreme Court in Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965) found in that the Constitution guarantees a right to privacy against governmental intrusion via penumbras located in the founding text.

Right to privacy - Wikipedia​

problem is with abortion its about killing another person not privacy,,

and please dont use wiki as a source,,

 

[Penelope]

problem is with abortion its about killing another person not privacy,,

and please dont use wiki as a source,,

Just follow the links.

Health Problems & Outcomes for 24-Week Old Preemies​

In general, infants that are born very early are not considered to be viable until after 24 weeks gestation. This means that if you give birth to an infant before they are 24 weeks old, their chance of surviving is usually less than 50 percent.

Some infants are born before 24 weeks gestation and do survive. But these infants have a very high chance of severe long-term health problems. About 40 percent of these preemies will suffer long-term health complications because they were born prematurely.

When Is It Safe to Deliver Your Baby?

At U of U Health, our knowledgeable providers will be with you every step of the way to ensure a safe and successful preterm birth.

healthcare.utah.edu

 

[Penelope]

How many abortions does God do, too many!!

Up to 1 in 5 confirmed pregnancies end in miscarriage before 20 weeks, but many other women miscarry without having realized they are pregnant.

Miscarriage

Miscarriage is the loss of a pregnancy, usually in the first 3 months or first trimester of pregnancy. It can be very distressing — help is available.

www.pregnancybirthbaby.org.au

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

So the Supreme Court just overturned Roe v. Wade in the most cowardly way possible.

Of course, Roe was always based on some legal jiggery-pokery, in that it found a "right to privacy" that never really existed without addressing the issue of when life begins.

The reason why the court did this was because they knew the laws on the books in most states in 1973 were unworkable and had to go, because no one was following them. But like all failed ideas, this time will be different, the advocates say.

Okay, let's get real here.

For the anti-abortion crowd, what is your real solution? Are you going to put pregnant women under house arrest to make sure they don't get abortions? Or are you just going to overturn Roe v. Wade and pretend you accomplished something.

How about prostitution? Prostitution is illegal in 49 states. Yet it is believed that there are 1 million working prostitutes in the United States today, and you can find massage parlors, strip joints and escort services pretty easily.

Okay, how about alcohol? Remember prohibition? (Well, even I'm not *that* old.) Well guess what, that didn't stop people from drinking. People found all sorts of imaginative ways to get around that law, Al Capone was pretty much openly smuggling alcohol into the country or making it illegally and the only way the government actually got him was on income tax evasion.

How's that war on drugs working out for you? Well, not so well. According to estimates, 19.1 million Americans over the age of 12 have used drugs within the last 30 days. "Just Say No (not today)" We spend billions on it, lock up more people than any country in the world. Hey, how many drug users are you going to want to cut loose to make room for the abortion patients?


Now, taking all of these factors into account- Exactly what mechanism are you guys going to use to ban abortion? Because none of these other prohibitions seem to work terribly well, especially when law enforcement is already stretched pretty thin.

The legislature in TX passed the law as it is following the will of its constituents. I am actually pro choice and agree that people will just find other ways. But if this is what the voters in TX want it’s what they get.