Barrett, of all people, spills the beans in the immunity case.

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As a starting point it should be noted attorneys from both sides of the immunity case, and all the justices, agree what has been referred to as private acts, not official ones, have no claim to immunity.

At Supreme Court, Trump lawyer backs away from absolute immunity argument

Trump attorney D. John Sauer conceded there are allegations in the indictment that do not involve "official acts," meaning they would not be subject to any presidential immunity.

There's one more thing worth mentioning as a precursor. The Court should never have heard this case. Because the claim that Don has absolute immunity for criminal acts taken in office as president is an insult to reason, an assault on common sense and a perversion of the fundamental maxim of American democracy that no man is above the law. Which is how the lower courts have ruled.

With that in mind, Amy Coney Barrett's questioning of Trump's attorney, John Sauer, was game over for Don. Or at least it should have been. Here's why.

She read the individual charges from the Jan. 6 case Jack Smith has brought, asking Sauer each time whether they constituted a private act or an official one. In every instance he acknowledged they were private acts, not part of Trump's official, Article II duties as prez. That, as they say, is the ballgame. Because as Justice Jackson pointed out that is the question before the Court.


The question is decidedly not what most of the conservatives wanted to make it. An exploration of what constitutes a private and an official act. That is an intellectual exercise having nothing to do with the merits of this case since there is general agreement, even by Sauer, that the acts in question are not official in nature. Which makes the Court's willingness to hear the case yet another travesty ushered in by Trumpery.
 
"Absolute Immunity" would mean any president can murder anyone and get away with it.
That IS NOT what presidential Immunity is about AT ALL!!!!!
It's about protecting the executive office from legal ATTACKS for just doing Its JOB!
The fucking pretzel twisting the demented LEFT are doing is completely OUT OF CONTROL.
 
I would argue that everything a POTUS does is an official act as long as he holds office....Now if that act pisses off congress they can impeach him and try him in the Senate. If that fails the smell test and a POTUS is found innocent in the Senate that should be the end of any further proceedings. Done and done.
It’s exceedingly dangerous to give Congress sole authority over what is and isn’t legal for the president to do.

Do whatever you want as long as a third of the Senate is okay with it. Yikes.
 
There's one more thing worth mentioning as a precursor. The Court should never have heard this case. Because the claim that Don has absolute immunity for criminal acts taken in office as president is an insult to reason, an assault on common sense and a perversion of the fundamental maxim of American democracy that no man is above the law. Which is how the lower courts have ruled.
I don't know what they're claiming their motivation is here, but it's difficult not to assign an agenda to it. Alito acted stunned that a President is not "special", his word.

We were in trouble before. If the SC is going to both purposely delay trials and give any degree of carte blanche to Trump, this country's troubles have multiplied.

The MAGA crowd have been telling us this that is for all the marbles, that they're at war with anyone who doesn't think like them. Are we taking them seriously yet?
 
I don't know what they're claiming their motivation is here, but it's difficult not to assign an agenda to it. Alito acted stunned that a President is not "special", his word.

We were in trouble before. If the SC is going to both purposely delay trials and give any degree of carte blanche to Trump, this country's troubles have multiplied.

The MAGA crowd have been telling us this that is for all the marbles, that they're at war with anyone who doesn't think like them. Are we taking them seriously yet?
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It’s exceedingly dangerous to give Congress sole authority over what is and isn’t legal for the president to do.

Do whatever you want as long as a third of the Senate is okay with it. Yikes.
That's the system we have had for well over 200 years and should not change just because of the blind and irrational hate one party has for a POTUS.
 
"Absolute Immunity" would mean any president can murder anyone and get away with it.
That IS NOT what presidential Immunity is about AT ALL!!!!!
It's about protecting the executive office from legal ATTACKS for just doing Its JOB!
The fucking pretzel twisting the demented LEFT are doing is completely OUT OF CONTROL.
I agree with you, up to the point of you blaming democrats, who also believes what you do, instead of Trump, who does not.
 
I don't know what they're claiming their motivation is here, but it's difficult not to assign an agenda to it. Alito acted stunned that a President is not "special", his word.

We were in trouble before. If the SC is going to both purposely delay trials and give any degree of carte blanche to Trump, this country's troubles have multiplied.

The MAGA crowd have been telling us this that is for all the marbles, that they're at war with anyone who doesn't think like them. Are we taking them seriously yet?
It was another dark day for the Court and thus for America. One of the more telling moments being when the government's attorney tried to inject the facts of the case in to the discussion while Alito continually put him off. Because the facts make this a losing argument for Trump and the justices seeking to protect him. I doubt there has ever been a more overt example of justices showing their true colors. It's scary that they aren't even trying to hide it any more.

But then why should they? If we learned anything from the sordid business of Clarence and Ginni it's there are no consequences for the Supremes.
 
I would argue that everything a POTUS does is an official act as long as he holds office....Now if that act pisses off congress they can impeach him and try him in the Senate. If that fails the smell test and a POTUS is found innocent in the Senate that should be the end of any further proceedings. Done and done.

That's fucking retarded.

We already know that impeaching a sitting president is a complete impossibility. It's been tried four times, and it has failed every time, even with a massively unpopular president like Andrew Johnson.

What you are advocating is that the presidency should be a "Get out of jail free card."

So hypothetical, the deep state in 2016 convinces Obama that Trump really was a Russian Agent, and Obama orders the FBI to send a tactical team in to Mar-a-Lago and shots are exchanged.

So if Congress fails to impeach him, that should be the end of the matter?
 
That's the system we have had for well over 200 years and should not change just because of the blind and irrational hate one party has for a POTUS.

Correct, it should not. In all those 200 years nobody ever thought the POTUS was above the law and had unlimited immunity. It is only you and your god that think that now
 
It was another dark day for the Court and thus for America. One of the more telling moments being when the government's attorney tried to inject the facts of the case in to the discussion while Alito continually put him off. Because the facts make this a losing argument for Trump and the justices seeking to protect him. I doubt there has ever been a more overt example of justices showing their true colors. It's scary that they aren't even trying to hide it any more.

But then why should they? If we learned anything from the sordid business of Clarence and Ginni it's there are no consequences for the Supremes.
Yeah, Thomas is an issue unto himself. He doesn't have to recuse himself, because who can make him?

This has all become pretty obvious now.
 
I don't know what they're claiming their motivation is here, but it's difficult not to assign an agenda to it. Alito acted stunned that a President is not "special", his word.

We were in trouble before. If the SC is going to both purposely delay trials and give any degree of carte blanche to Trump, this country's troubles have multiplied.

The MAGA crowd have been telling us this that is for all the marbles, that they're at war with anyone who doesn't think like them. Are we taking them seriously yet?
We? You just started talking them seriously like yesterday when their lack of belief in other people's civil rights finally started affecting you.

Welcome to the party pal. :laugh:
 
"Absolute Immunity" would mean any president can murder anyone and get away with it.
That IS NOT what presidential Immunity is about AT ALL!!!!!
It's about protecting the executive office from legal ATTACKS for just doing Its JOB!
The fucking pretzel twisting the demented LEFT are doing is completely OUT OF CONTROL.

Except inciting a riot to overturn an election is not part of his job. That's the thing.

Neither is paying off a porn star to keep quiet about an affair.

Or stealing government documents he was no longer entitled to when he left office.
 
I would argue that everything a POTUS does is an official act as long as he holds office....Now if that act pisses off congress they can impeach him and try him in the Senate. If that fails the smell test and a POTUS is found innocent in the Senate that should be the end of any further proceedings. Done and done.
You would be arguing wrong
Running for office is not an official act

Even official acts can be prosecuted if criminal
 
People are so binary.

“immunity” does not mean a President may turn around during the SOTU address and shoot the Speaker of the House with no legal ramifications.

This is more for like when Obama murdered a US citizen in Yemen with a drone strike. Should Obama be arrested for murder? He ordered the killing of a US CITIZEN with no due process. This is illegal.
 
I agree with you, up to the point of you blaming democrats, who also believes what you do, instead of Trump, who does not.
I think that as usual, you either take what Trump says out of context, or just project what you FEEL he means.
We cannot have a functional country if lawfare is normalized as being used now against candidate Trump. This goes way beyond Trump, you, and I. This is vital for the future no matter which party holds the Executive branch.
 

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