Because of no right to own firearms...

[ph3iron]

Murder by gun: We're 40 times better at it than the UK

Murder overall: We're more than 4 times better at it than the UK.

Simple facts.

No...democrats in America are 40 times better at gun murder than in Britain...you keep leaving that fact out...the majority....let's just be honest, almost all gun murder takes place in areas controlled by the democrat party......and you don't care...

Maybe if we ban democrats we could end gun violence in this country.

Analysis | The surprising way gun violence is dividing America

In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

------

As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

Might help if you knew the difference between a noun and an adjective.
It's laughable.
Are you really suggesting England has more murders?

Nope....I am telling you that British criminals didn't commit murder as often when law abiding Brits were allowed to own guns...and that banning and confiscating guns hasn't changed their gun murder rate....their gun crime rate? Is up 42% in London alone...23% across England and Wales just last year......

In a country that banned guns.....our rates went down 49% for gun murder 75% for gun crime and 72% for violent crime......

Explain that.

Here's some more data you can enjoy from the safety of your doublewide
The research is clear: gun control saves lives
Think oz is more dangerous now?

And more truth for you.....

Australia...

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

-------------

These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

------------

Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
============
The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


========================
'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.


And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

Since we can't prove in blue that the uk is ore violent than the us we have moved to Oz.
Europe next.
So they are more violent than we?
Please get a life ms blue.
You could maybe do some good?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Really? I state all the time that we had 11,004 gun murders in 2016, the last date for the FBI statisitcs...still waiting for 2017.....

of those 11,004 gun murders, 70-80% of them were committed against criminals by other criminals....

At the other end of the spectrum, Americans use their legal guns 2.4 million times a year to stop violent criminals from committing rape, robbery and murder...according to the CDC, the Department of Justice put that number at 1.5 million times a year...

Can you tell which number is bigger?

Violent crime is rape, robbery and murder, Which I also state all the time......you are an idiot.

Nope....I am telling you that British criminals didn't commit murder as often when law abiding Brits were allowed to own guns...and that banning and confiscating guns hasn't changed their gun murder rate....their gun crime rate? Is up 42% in London alone...23% across England and Wales just last year......

In a country that banned guns.....our rates went down 49% for gun murder 75% for gun crime and 72% for violent crime......

Explain that.

The al Capone era?
The turn of the C was a violent time.
We have a bit more education now, you included I hope
Do you seriously believe we are safer here than in the uk or Oz?
They laugh at our paranoia
Here's some more numbers you can quote to fit your made up mind

Nope....I am telling you that British criminals didn't commit murder as often when law abiding Brits were allowed to own guns...and that banning and confiscating guns hasn't changed their gun murder rate....their gun crime rate? Is up 42% in London alone...23% across England and Wales just last year......

In a country that banned guns.....our rates went down 49% for gun murder 75% for gun crime and 72% for violent crime......

Explain that.

There are more than one reason genius.
You are fixated on guns.
The 20s were. Violent, nothing to do with guns.
Are you seriously suggesting we are safer here than in the uk and oz.?
2 countries you have never lived in I bet
If you want some numbers you can fit to your indoctrinated beliefs...
United Kingdom vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats
Oh now I see it's the DEMS/uppity nixes fault.
Maybe we should ban blacks to follow your argument

The vast majority of the violent crime in this country is in Progressive controlled urban areas... With extremely strict gun control laws

Yup,like Chicago where you can walk 10 blocks and buy one

People kill people not firearms

No, people with firearms kill people

And there I was refraining from saying the same thing. Sheesh, this is a tuff crowd, ain't it.

 

[2aguy]

No...democrats in America are 40 times better at gun murder than in Britain...you keep leaving that fact out...the majority....let's just be honest, almost all gun murder takes place in areas controlled by the democrat party......and you don't care...

Maybe if we ban democrats we could end gun violence in this country.

Analysis | The surprising way gun violence is dividing America

In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

------

As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

Might help if you knew the difference between a noun and an adjective.
It's laughable.
Are you really suggesting England has more murders?

Nope....I am telling you that British criminals didn't commit murder as often when law abiding Brits were allowed to own guns...and that banning and confiscating guns hasn't changed their gun murder rate....their gun crime rate? Is up 42% in London alone...23% across England and Wales just last year......

In a country that banned guns.....our rates went down 49% for gun murder 75% for gun crime and 72% for violent crime......

Explain that.

Here's some more data you can enjoy from the safety of your doublewide
The research is clear: gun control saves lives
Think oz is more dangerous now?

And more truth for you.....

Australia...

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

-------------

These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

------------

Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
============
The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


========================
'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.


And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

Since we can't prove in blue that the uk is ore violent than the us we have moved to Oz.
Europe next.
So they are more violent than we?
Please get a life ms blue.
You could maybe do some good?

Yes, we can prove it...

From the Daily Mail...left wing source....

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

Politifact....left wing source...

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Might help if you knew the difference between a noun and an adjective.
It's laughable.
Are you really suggesting England has more murders?

Nope....I am telling you that British criminals didn't commit murder as often when law abiding Brits were allowed to own guns...and that banning and confiscating guns hasn't changed their gun murder rate....their gun crime rate? Is up 42% in London alone...23% across England and Wales just last year......

In a country that banned guns.....our rates went down 49% for gun murder 75% for gun crime and 72% for violent crime......

Explain that.

Here's some more data you can enjoy from the safety of your doublewide
The research is clear: gun control saves lives
Think oz is more dangerous now?

And more truth for you.....

Australia...

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

-------------

These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

------------

Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
============
The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


========================
'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.


And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

Since we can't prove in blue that the uk is ore violent than the us we have moved to Oz.
Europe next.
So they are more violent than we?
Please get a life ms blue.
You could maybe do some good?

Yes, we can prove it...

From the Daily Mail...left wing source....

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

Politifact....left wing source...

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.

You are calling the dailymail.co.uk a left wing source? It's so right wing it's almost off the scale. It's just left of a closet homicidal axe murderer. Are you saying you are right of that? Do you bring that closet homicidal axe murder his morning coffee and donuts?

As for your second source, the types of violent crimes are much different. For instance, a punch in the mouth probably won't be reported in the US but it will be in the UK. It's an Assault in both places. But in the US, it's so minor it's not worth reporting. The UK figures are skewed by the fact that minor violence is reported as important as the major ones so the numbers are higher. So the US ends up looking like it has less violent crime. It doesn't. In fact, looking at your source and beyond, the claim that violent crime is higher in the UK is false. How false it is, we can't' tell since the two countries report violent crime differently. But the best scenario would be that there is no real difference if both were reported the same way. But the US would have the highest Gun Related Violent Crime by a very large margin while the UK would probably take the Rape numbers without a weapon of any kind. Violent Crime is going to happen but you are much more likely to survive a violent crime in the UK than you are in the US.

You cherry picked the 2nd source and left out that part. It's called Lying, there, cupcake.

 

[2aguy]

Nope....I am telling you that British criminals didn't commit murder as often when law abiding Brits were allowed to own guns...and that banning and confiscating guns hasn't changed their gun murder rate....their gun crime rate? Is up 42% in London alone...23% across England and Wales just last year......

In a country that banned guns.....our rates went down 49% for gun murder 75% for gun crime and 72% for violent crime......

Explain that.

Here's some more data you can enjoy from the safety of your doublewide
The research is clear: gun control saves lives
Think oz is more dangerous now?

And more truth for you.....

Australia...

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

-------------

These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

------------

Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
============
The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


========================
'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.


And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

Since we can't prove in blue that the uk is ore violent than the us we have moved to Oz.
Europe next.
So they are more violent than we?
Please get a life ms blue.
You could maybe do some good?

Yes, we can prove it...

From the Daily Mail...left wing source....

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

Politifact....left wing source...

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.

You are calling the dailymail.co.uk a left wing source? It's so right wing it's almost off the scale. It's just left of a closet homicidal axe murderer. Are you saying you are right of that? Do you bring that closet homicidal axe murder his morning coffee and donuts?

As for your second source, the types of violent crimes are much different. For instance, a punch in the mouth probably won't be reported in the US but it will be in the UK. It's an Assault in both places. But in the US, it's so minor it's not worth reporting. The UK figures are skewed by the fact that minor violence is reported as important as the major ones so the numbers are higher. So the US ends up looking like it has less violent crime. It doesn't. In fact, looking at your source and beyond, the claim that violent crime is higher in the UK is false. How false it is, we can't' tell since the two countries report violent crime differently. But the best scenario would be that there is no real difference if both were reported the same way. But the US would have the highest Gun Related Violent Crime by a very large margin while the UK would probably take the Rape numbers without a weapon of any kind. Violent Crime is going to happen but you are much more likely to survive a violent crime in the UK than you are in the US.

You cherry picked the 2nd source and left out that part. It's called Lying, there, cupcake.

You are talking out of your ass again.......you shouldn't do that, you will get a rash...

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Here's some more data you can enjoy from the safety of your doublewide
The research is clear: gun control saves lives
Think oz is more dangerous now?

And more truth for you.....

Australia...

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

----

Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

-----------

While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

-------------

These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

------------

Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
============
The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


========================
'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.


And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

Since we can't prove in blue that the uk is ore violent than the us we have moved to Oz.
Europe next.
So they are more violent than we?
Please get a life ms blue.
You could maybe do some good?

Yes, we can prove it...

From the Daily Mail...left wing source....

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

Politifact....left wing source...

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.

You are calling the dailymail.co.uk a left wing source? It's so right wing it's almost off the scale. It's just left of a closet homicidal axe murderer. Are you saying you are right of that? Do you bring that closet homicidal axe murder his morning coffee and donuts?

As for your second source, the types of violent crimes are much different. For instance, a punch in the mouth probably won't be reported in the US but it will be in the UK. It's an Assault in both places. But in the US, it's so minor it's not worth reporting. The UK figures are skewed by the fact that minor violence is reported as important as the major ones so the numbers are higher. So the US ends up looking like it has less violent crime. It doesn't. In fact, looking at your source and beyond, the claim that violent crime is higher in the UK is false. How false it is, we can't' tell since the two countries report violent crime differently. But the best scenario would be that there is no real difference if both were reported the same way. But the US would have the highest Gun Related Violent Crime by a very large margin while the UK would probably take the Rape numbers without a weapon of any kind. Violent Crime is going to happen but you are much more likely to survive a violent crime in the UK than you are in the US.

You cherry picked the 2nd source and left out that part. It's called Lying, there, cupcake.

You are talking out of your ass again.......you shouldn't do that, you will get a rash...

I can always tell when you are painted into another corner. You don't rebutt, you resort to insults. Well, cupcake, you lose once again. Get over it and move on to the next nonsensical subject. Stick a fork in you, you are done.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

And more truth for you.....

Australia...

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

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Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

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While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

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These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

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Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
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The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


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'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.


And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

Since we can't prove in blue that the uk is ore violent than the us we have moved to Oz.
Europe next.
So they are more violent than we?
Please get a life ms blue.
You could maybe do some good?

Yes, we can prove it...

From the Daily Mail...left wing source....

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

Politifact....left wing source...

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.

You are calling the dailymail.co.uk a left wing source? It's so right wing it's almost off the scale. It's just left of a closet homicidal axe murderer. Are you saying you are right of that? Do you bring that closet homicidal axe murder his morning coffee and donuts?

As for your second source, the types of violent crimes are much different. For instance, a punch in the mouth probably won't be reported in the US but it will be in the UK. It's an Assault in both places. But in the US, it's so minor it's not worth reporting. The UK figures are skewed by the fact that minor violence is reported as important as the major ones so the numbers are higher. So the US ends up looking like it has less violent crime. It doesn't. In fact, looking at your source and beyond, the claim that violent crime is higher in the UK is false. How false it is, we can't' tell since the two countries report violent crime differently. But the best scenario would be that there is no real difference if both were reported the same way. But the US would have the highest Gun Related Violent Crime by a very large margin while the UK would probably take the Rape numbers without a weapon of any kind. Violent Crime is going to happen but you are much more likely to survive a violent crime in the UK than you are in the US.

You cherry picked the 2nd source and left out that part. It's called Lying, there, cupcake.

You are talking out of your ass again.......you shouldn't do that, you will get a rash...

I can always tell when you are painted into another corner. You don't rebutt, you resort to insults. Well, cupcake, you lose once again. Get over it and move on to the next nonsensical subject. Stick a fork in you, you are done.

Except NOT one of your claims is true. FBI CDC and other Government sources all verify that firearms related incidents are all going DOWN and have been since the 90's. As firearm ownership goes up death and accidents all are going down. As for violent crime in the US it is pretty much confined to large democrat run cities with LOTS of blacks and Hispanics. In England it is EVERY where even the small towns.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Since we can't prove in blue that the uk is ore violent than the us we have moved to Oz.
Europe next.
So they are more violent than we?
Please get a life ms blue.
You could maybe do some good?

Yes, we can prove it...

From the Daily Mail...left wing source....

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

Politifact....left wing source...

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.

You are calling the dailymail.co.uk a left wing source? It's so right wing it's almost off the scale. It's just left of a closet homicidal axe murderer. Are you saying you are right of that? Do you bring that closet homicidal axe murder his morning coffee and donuts?

As for your second source, the types of violent crimes are much different. For instance, a punch in the mouth probably won't be reported in the US but it will be in the UK. It's an Assault in both places. But in the US, it's so minor it's not worth reporting. The UK figures are skewed by the fact that minor violence is reported as important as the major ones so the numbers are higher. So the US ends up looking like it has less violent crime. It doesn't. In fact, looking at your source and beyond, the claim that violent crime is higher in the UK is false. How false it is, we can't' tell since the two countries report violent crime differently. But the best scenario would be that there is no real difference if both were reported the same way. But the US would have the highest Gun Related Violent Crime by a very large margin while the UK would probably take the Rape numbers without a weapon of any kind. Violent Crime is going to happen but you are much more likely to survive a violent crime in the UK than you are in the US.

You cherry picked the 2nd source and left out that part. It's called Lying, there, cupcake.

You are talking out of your ass again.......you shouldn't do that, you will get a rash...

I can always tell when you are painted into another corner. You don't rebutt, you resort to insults. Well, cupcake, you lose once again. Get over it and move on to the next nonsensical subject. Stick a fork in you, you are done.

Except NOT one of your claims is true. FBI CDC and other Government sources all verify that firearms related incidents are all going DOWN and have been since the 90's. As firearm ownership goes up death and accidents all are going down. As for violent crime in the US it is pretty much confined to large democrat run cities with LOTS of blacks and Hispanics. In England it is EVERY where even the small towns.

In the US, they went down not because of more guns in lawful citizens hands. That has had nothing to do with anything other than not allow the accidental shootings to go down faster. The Gun related Violent Crimes went down due to the inner cities efforts in combating gun related crimes. Almost all inner cities rates have gone down since 1993. I can try and tell you it's because of the heavy gun regulations but that isn't it. It's the training of police and community involvement that have caused it to go down. I can remember when Denver was the Cop Murder Capital of the World. The number of Cops being shot there was staggering. Denver had a Mayor change and the new Mayor put together Community Action Groups that worked closely with the Police Forces and the Community. And they busted about half the Cops for corruption while they were at it. They started these programs in the early 90s but it wasn't until the late 90s or early 2000s that it started making a difference. More Guns or More Gun Regulations had nothing to do with it. NYC did the same thing in the early 2000s and the murder rate and gun related violent crimes went way down. I have NEVER claimed they have gone up. You are just making crap up again trying to discredit the person mauling your heroes. Shall I tear into you for a bit or are you going to start actually discussing things like a human.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Since we can't prove in blue that the uk is ore violent than the us we have moved to Oz.
Europe next.
So they are more violent than we?
Please get a life ms blue.
You could maybe do some good?

Yes, we can prove it...

From the Daily Mail...left wing source....

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

Politifact....left wing source...

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.

You are calling the dailymail.co.uk a left wing source? It's so right wing it's almost off the scale. It's just left of a closet homicidal axe murderer. Are you saying you are right of that? Do you bring that closet homicidal axe murder his morning coffee and donuts?

As for your second source, the types of violent crimes are much different. For instance, a punch in the mouth probably won't be reported in the US but it will be in the UK. It's an Assault in both places. But in the US, it's so minor it's not worth reporting. The UK figures are skewed by the fact that minor violence is reported as important as the major ones so the numbers are higher. So the US ends up looking like it has less violent crime. It doesn't. In fact, looking at your source and beyond, the claim that violent crime is higher in the UK is false. How false it is, we can't' tell since the two countries report violent crime differently. But the best scenario would be that there is no real difference if both were reported the same way. But the US would have the highest Gun Related Violent Crime by a very large margin while the UK would probably take the Rape numbers without a weapon of any kind. Violent Crime is going to happen but you are much more likely to survive a violent crime in the UK than you are in the US.

You cherry picked the 2nd source and left out that part. It's called Lying, there, cupcake.

You are talking out of your ass again.......you shouldn't do that, you will get a rash...

I can always tell when you are painted into another corner. You don't rebutt, you resort to insults. Well, cupcake, you lose once again. Get over it and move on to the next nonsensical subject. Stick a fork in you, you are done.

Except NOT one of your claims is true. FBI CDC and other Government sources all verify that firearms related incidents are all going DOWN and have been since the 90's. As firearm ownership goes up death and accidents all are going down. As for violent crime in the US it is pretty much confined to large democrat run cities with LOTS of blacks and Hispanics. In England it is EVERY where even the small towns.

I seperated the US and Britain because it's apples and oranges. In Britain, Violent Crimes that get reported might be just a punch in the mouth. In the US, that wouldn't be reported. Per Capita, you are 4 times more likely to be Gunned Down in the US than you are in Britain. But in Britain, you are many times more likely to have a Bar Mug place strategically to the side of your head at a moderate speed. The US has a higher rate of gun usage in the committing of a crime while Britain has a higher rate of Rape with no weapon involved. And that is from one of your cupcakes own cites that he conveniently left out much like you are doing now.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Once again MORE FIREARMS have not lead to more shootings as you claimed earlier.We have tripled the number of firearms in private hands and yet the rates of usage have gone down a lot. And you have no actual cites to prove your claim that better cop plans did it.

 

[there4eyeM]

The al Capone era?
The turn of the C was a violent time.
We have a bit more education now, you included I hope
Do you seriously believe we are safer here than in the uk or Oz?
They laugh at our paranoia
Here's some more numbers you can quote to fit your made up mind
There are more than one reason genius.
You are fixated on guns.
The 20s were. Violent, nothing to do with guns.
Are you seriously suggesting we are safer here than in the uk and oz.?
2 countries you have never lived in I bet
If you want some numbers you can fit to your indoctrinated beliefs...
United Kingdom vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats
Oh now I see it's the DEMS/uppity nixes fault.
Maybe we should ban blacks to follow your argument

The vast majority of the violent crime in this country is in Progressive controlled urban areas... With extremely strict gun control laws

Yup,like Chicago where you can walk 10 blocks and buy one

People kill people not firearms

No, people with firearms kill people

And there I was refraining from saying the same thing. Sheesh, this is a tuff crowd, ain't it.

Bullets from firearms kill people. Coroner's reports don't say, "Cause of death; person". They may say gunshot, mortal wound from firearm, bullet in brain, etc., but never "a person'.
Odd, huh?

 

[ph3iron]

Yes, we can prove it...

From the Daily Mail...left wing source....

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

Politifact....left wing source...

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.

You are calling the dailymail.co.uk a left wing source? It's so right wing it's almost off the scale. It's just left of a closet homicidal axe murderer. Are you saying you are right of that? Do you bring that closet homicidal axe murder his morning coffee and donuts?

As for your second source, the types of violent crimes are much different. For instance, a punch in the mouth probably won't be reported in the US but it will be in the UK. It's an Assault in both places. But in the US, it's so minor it's not worth reporting. The UK figures are skewed by the fact that minor violence is reported as important as the major ones so the numbers are higher. So the US ends up looking like it has less violent crime. It doesn't. In fact, looking at your source and beyond, the claim that violent crime is higher in the UK is false. How false it is, we can't' tell since the two countries report violent crime differently. But the best scenario would be that there is no real difference if both were reported the same way. But the US would have the highest Gun Related Violent Crime by a very large margin while the UK would probably take the Rape numbers without a weapon of any kind. Violent Crime is going to happen but you are much more likely to survive a violent crime in the UK than you are in the US.

You cherry picked the 2nd source and left out that part. It's called Lying, there, cupcake.

You are talking out of your ass again.......you shouldn't do that, you will get a rash...

I can always tell when you are painted into another corner. You don't rebutt, you resort to insults. Well, cupcake, you lose once again. Get over it and move on to the next nonsensical subject. Stick a fork in you, you are done.

Except NOT one of your claims is true. FBI CDC and other Government sources all verify that firearms related incidents are all going DOWN and have been since the 90's. As firearm ownership goes up death and accidents all are going down. As for violent crime in the US it is pretty much confined to large democrat run cities with LOTS of blacks and Hispanics. In England it is EVERY where even the small towns.

I seperated the US and Britain because it's apples and oranges. In Britain, Violent Crimes that get reported might be just a punch in the mouth. In the US, that wouldn't be reported. Per Capita, you are 4 times more likely to be Gunned Down in the US than you are in Britain. But in Britain, you are many times more likely to have a Bar Mug place strategically to the side of your head at a moderate speed. The US has a higher rate of gun usage in the committing of a crime while Britain has a higher rate of Rape with no weapon involved. And that is from one of your cupcakes own cites that he conveniently left out much like you are doing now.

Going down from what value
Are you seriously suggesting that the USA is safer than other civilized countries?
Rape? Pick your data 90% of them go unreported so it's meaningless.
Love the cupcake.
The uneducated never can comment without an insult

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Once again MORE FIREARMS have not lead to more shootings as you claimed earlier.We have tripled the number of firearms in private hands and yet the rates of usage have gone down a lot. And you have no actual cites to prove your claim that better cop plans did it.

What I claimed was that they lead to more Mass Shootings by minors. And that those were the easiest to prevent with some simple laws that would keep them from their hands and make it harder for them them get them into their schools. What you gun nutters don't want is to have those simple laws in place for whatever sick reason you have.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You are calling the dailymail.co.uk a left wing source? It's so right wing it's almost off the scale. It's just left of a closet homicidal axe murderer. Are you saying you are right of that? Do you bring that closet homicidal axe murder his morning coffee and donuts?

As for your second source, the types of violent crimes are much different. For instance, a punch in the mouth probably won't be reported in the US but it will be in the UK. It's an Assault in both places. But in the US, it's so minor it's not worth reporting. The UK figures are skewed by the fact that minor violence is reported as important as the major ones so the numbers are higher. So the US ends up looking like it has less violent crime. It doesn't. In fact, looking at your source and beyond, the claim that violent crime is higher in the UK is false. How false it is, we can't' tell since the two countries report violent crime differently. But the best scenario would be that there is no real difference if both were reported the same way. But the US would have the highest Gun Related Violent Crime by a very large margin while the UK would probably take the Rape numbers without a weapon of any kind. Violent Crime is going to happen but you are much more likely to survive a violent crime in the UK than you are in the US.

You cherry picked the 2nd source and left out that part. It's called Lying, there, cupcake.

You are talking out of your ass again.......you shouldn't do that, you will get a rash...

I can always tell when you are painted into another corner. You don't rebutt, you resort to insults. Well, cupcake, you lose once again. Get over it and move on to the next nonsensical subject. Stick a fork in you, you are done.

Except NOT one of your claims is true. FBI CDC and other Government sources all verify that firearms related incidents are all going DOWN and have been since the 90's. As firearm ownership goes up death and accidents all are going down. As for violent crime in the US it is pretty much confined to large democrat run cities with LOTS of blacks and Hispanics. In England it is EVERY where even the small towns.

I seperated the US and Britain because it's apples and oranges. In Britain, Violent Crimes that get reported might be just a punch in the mouth. In the US, that wouldn't be reported. Per Capita, you are 4 times more likely to be Gunned Down in the US than you are in Britain. But in Britain, you are many times more likely to have a Bar Mug place strategically to the side of your head at a moderate speed. The US has a higher rate of gun usage in the committing of a crime while Britain has a higher rate of Rape with no weapon involved. And that is from one of your cupcakes own cites that he conveniently left out much like you are doing now.

Going down from what value
Are you seriously suggesting that the USA is safer than other civilized countries?
Rape? Pick your data 90% of them go unreported so it's meaningless.
Love the cupcake.
The uneducated never can comment without an insult

Do you know what you get when you educated and idiot? You get an Educated Idiot. Seems appropriate there.

 

[hazlnut]

The cesspool that is Western Europe...

Home Secretary Sajid Javid reveals how he was a moped mugging victim as he launches battle to beat villains

Less than one in 20 street robberies are being solved by police | Daily Mail Online

The guns are needed to protect ourselves against the government. This is why the leftists want to so badly to ban them.

Especially if they decide to open the borders like in Europe. Patriots will line up and declare an open season on the savages, and shortly after the idiots in power will be safely removed and deported to their utopias.

You love our President and some of our congress, but you need a gun to protect yourself against them? Strange.

You seem like another so-called American who claims to love this country while hating your fellow Americans. In other words, a fraud.

You love the flag, the freedoms it represents, the right to voice criticism and dissent... just as long as not right before kick off.

Sorry, America doesn't work that way. United States...

 

[2aguy]

Since we can't prove in blue that the uk is ore violent than the us we have moved to Oz.
Europe next.
So they are more violent than we?
Please get a life ms blue.
You could maybe do some good?

Yes, we can prove it...

From the Daily Mail...left wing source....

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

Politifact....left wing source...

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.

You are calling the dailymail.co.uk a left wing source? It's so right wing it's almost off the scale. It's just left of a closet homicidal axe murderer. Are you saying you are right of that? Do you bring that closet homicidal axe murder his morning coffee and donuts?

As for your second source, the types of violent crimes are much different. For instance, a punch in the mouth probably won't be reported in the US but it will be in the UK. It's an Assault in both places. But in the US, it's so minor it's not worth reporting. The UK figures are skewed by the fact that minor violence is reported as important as the major ones so the numbers are higher. So the US ends up looking like it has less violent crime. It doesn't. In fact, looking at your source and beyond, the claim that violent crime is higher in the UK is false. How false it is, we can't' tell since the two countries report violent crime differently. But the best scenario would be that there is no real difference if both were reported the same way. But the US would have the highest Gun Related Violent Crime by a very large margin while the UK would probably take the Rape numbers without a weapon of any kind. Violent Crime is going to happen but you are much more likely to survive a violent crime in the UK than you are in the US.

You cherry picked the 2nd source and left out that part. It's called Lying, there, cupcake.

You are talking out of your ass again.......you shouldn't do that, you will get a rash...

I can always tell when you are painted into another corner. You don't rebutt, you resort to insults. Well, cupcake, you lose once again. Get over it and move on to the next nonsensical subject. Stick a fork in you, you are done.

Except NOT one of your claims is true. FBI CDC and other Government sources all verify that firearms related incidents are all going DOWN and have been since the 90's. As firearm ownership goes up death and accidents all are going down. As for violent crime in the US it is pretty much confined to large democrat run cities with LOTS of blacks and Hispanics. In England it is EVERY where even the small towns.

And in those democrat controlled cities, the gun murder is confined to tiny areas, a few blocks in the entire city.....

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Yes, we can prove it...

From the Daily Mail...left wing source....

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

Politifact....left wing source...

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.

You are calling the dailymail.co.uk a left wing source? It's so right wing it's almost off the scale. It's just left of a closet homicidal axe murderer. Are you saying you are right of that? Do you bring that closet homicidal axe murder his morning coffee and donuts?

As for your second source, the types of violent crimes are much different. For instance, a punch in the mouth probably won't be reported in the US but it will be in the UK. It's an Assault in both places. But in the US, it's so minor it's not worth reporting. The UK figures are skewed by the fact that minor violence is reported as important as the major ones so the numbers are higher. So the US ends up looking like it has less violent crime. It doesn't. In fact, looking at your source and beyond, the claim that violent crime is higher in the UK is false. How false it is, we can't' tell since the two countries report violent crime differently. But the best scenario would be that there is no real difference if both were reported the same way. But the US would have the highest Gun Related Violent Crime by a very large margin while the UK would probably take the Rape numbers without a weapon of any kind. Violent Crime is going to happen but you are much more likely to survive a violent crime in the UK than you are in the US.

You cherry picked the 2nd source and left out that part. It's called Lying, there, cupcake.

You are talking out of your ass again.......you shouldn't do that, you will get a rash...

I can always tell when you are painted into another corner. You don't rebutt, you resort to insults. Well, cupcake, you lose once again. Get over it and move on to the next nonsensical subject. Stick a fork in you, you are done.

Except NOT one of your claims is true. FBI CDC and other Government sources all verify that firearms related incidents are all going DOWN and have been since the 90's. As firearm ownership goes up death and accidents all are going down. As for violent crime in the US it is pretty much confined to large democrat run cities with LOTS of blacks and Hispanics. In England it is EVERY where even the small towns.

And in those democrat controlled cities, the gun murder is confined to tiny areas, a few blocks in the entire city.....

And it gets smaller every year. Criminals hate it when the Police and the Community work together. Just like you do.

 

[2aguy]

Yes, we can prove it...

From the Daily Mail...left wing source....

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S. | Daily Mail Online

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

Politifact....left wing source...

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

This calculation suggests that there is a higher rate of crime in England and Wales, but the discrepancy is not anywhere near as wide as the one cited in the meme.

You are calling the dailymail.co.uk a left wing source? It's so right wing it's almost off the scale. It's just left of a closet homicidal axe murderer. Are you saying you are right of that? Do you bring that closet homicidal axe murder his morning coffee and donuts?

As for your second source, the types of violent crimes are much different. For instance, a punch in the mouth probably won't be reported in the US but it will be in the UK. It's an Assault in both places. But in the US, it's so minor it's not worth reporting. The UK figures are skewed by the fact that minor violence is reported as important as the major ones so the numbers are higher. So the US ends up looking like it has less violent crime. It doesn't. In fact, looking at your source and beyond, the claim that violent crime is higher in the UK is false. How false it is, we can't' tell since the two countries report violent crime differently. But the best scenario would be that there is no real difference if both were reported the same way. But the US would have the highest Gun Related Violent Crime by a very large margin while the UK would probably take the Rape numbers without a weapon of any kind. Violent Crime is going to happen but you are much more likely to survive a violent crime in the UK than you are in the US.

You cherry picked the 2nd source and left out that part. It's called Lying, there, cupcake.

You are talking out of your ass again.......you shouldn't do that, you will get a rash...

I can always tell when you are painted into another corner. You don't rebutt, you resort to insults. Well, cupcake, you lose once again. Get over it and move on to the next nonsensical subject. Stick a fork in you, you are done.

Except NOT one of your claims is true. FBI CDC and other Government sources all verify that firearms related incidents are all going DOWN and have been since the 90's. As firearm ownership goes up death and accidents all are going down. As for violent crime in the US it is pretty much confined to large democrat run cities with LOTS of blacks and Hispanics. In England it is EVERY where even the small towns.

In the US, they went down not because of more guns in lawful citizens hands. That has had nothing to do with anything other than not allow the accidental shootings to go down faster. The Gun related Violent Crimes went down due to the inner cities efforts in combating gun related crimes. Almost all inner cities rates have gone down since 1993. I can try and tell you it's because of the heavy gun regulations but that isn't it. It's the training of police and community involvement that have caused it to go down. I can remember when Denver was the Cop Murder Capital of the World. The number of Cops being shot there was staggering. Denver had a Mayor change and the new Mayor put together Community Action Groups that worked closely with the Police Forces and the Community. And they busted about half the Cops for corruption while they were at it. They started these programs in the early 90s but it wasn't until the late 90s or early 2000s that it started making a difference. More Guns or More Gun Regulations had nothing to do with it. NYC did the same thing in the early 2000s and the murder rate and gun related violent crimes went way down. I have NEVER claimed they have gone up. You are just making crap up again trying to discredit the person mauling your heroes. Shall I tear into you for a bit or are you going to start actually discussing things like a human.

And as more Americans own and carry guns since the 1990s, our gun murder rate went down, gun crime, down, violent crime, down...

Nothing you anti gunners said about people owning and carrying guns came true....the gun crime rates went down, not up....

This shows that you are wrong....absolutely wrong when you claim that Americans owning guns increases the gun crime rate....you core tenet of your belief system is wrong....

We keep telling you the way you stop gun crime? You lock up gun criminals.....that is what Rudy did in New York, and he lowered their crime rate...gun control didn't stop the gun crime, cops arresting gun criminals did, and law abiding gun owners helped....

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You are calling the dailymail.co.uk a left wing source? It's so right wing it's almost off the scale. It's just left of a closet homicidal axe murderer. Are you saying you are right of that? Do you bring that closet homicidal axe murder his morning coffee and donuts?

As for your second source, the types of violent crimes are much different. For instance, a punch in the mouth probably won't be reported in the US but it will be in the UK. It's an Assault in both places. But in the US, it's so minor it's not worth reporting. The UK figures are skewed by the fact that minor violence is reported as important as the major ones so the numbers are higher. So the US ends up looking like it has less violent crime. It doesn't. In fact, looking at your source and beyond, the claim that violent crime is higher in the UK is false. How false it is, we can't' tell since the two countries report violent crime differently. But the best scenario would be that there is no real difference if both were reported the same way. But the US would have the highest Gun Related Violent Crime by a very large margin while the UK would probably take the Rape numbers without a weapon of any kind. Violent Crime is going to happen but you are much more likely to survive a violent crime in the UK than you are in the US.

You cherry picked the 2nd source and left out that part. It's called Lying, there, cupcake.

You are talking out of your ass again.......you shouldn't do that, you will get a rash...

I can always tell when you are painted into another corner. You don't rebutt, you resort to insults. Well, cupcake, you lose once again. Get over it and move on to the next nonsensical subject. Stick a fork in you, you are done.

Except NOT one of your claims is true. FBI CDC and other Government sources all verify that firearms related incidents are all going DOWN and have been since the 90's. As firearm ownership goes up death and accidents all are going down. As for violent crime in the US it is pretty much confined to large democrat run cities with LOTS of blacks and Hispanics. In England it is EVERY where even the small towns.

In the US, they went down not because of more guns in lawful citizens hands. That has had nothing to do with anything other than not allow the accidental shootings to go down faster. The Gun related Violent Crimes went down due to the inner cities efforts in combating gun related crimes. Almost all inner cities rates have gone down since 1993. I can try and tell you it's because of the heavy gun regulations but that isn't it. It's the training of police and community involvement that have caused it to go down. I can remember when Denver was the Cop Murder Capital of the World. The number of Cops being shot there was staggering. Denver had a Mayor change and the new Mayor put together Community Action Groups that worked closely with the Police Forces and the Community. And they busted about half the Cops for corruption while they were at it. They started these programs in the early 90s but it wasn't until the late 90s or early 2000s that it started making a difference. More Guns or More Gun Regulations had nothing to do with it. NYC did the same thing in the early 2000s and the murder rate and gun related violent crimes went way down. I have NEVER claimed they have gone up. You are just making crap up again trying to discredit the person mauling your heroes. Shall I tear into you for a bit or are you going to start actually discussing things like a human.

And as more Americans own and carry guns since the 1990s, our gun murder rate went down, gun crime, down, violent crime, down...

Nothing you anti gunners said about people owning and carrying guns came true....the gun crime rates went down, not up....

This shows that you are wrong....absolutely wrong when you claim that Americans owning guns increases the gun crime rate....you core tenet of your belief system is wrong....

We keep telling you the way you stop gun crime? You lock up gun criminals.....that is what Rudy did in New York, and he lowered their crime rate...gun control didn't stop the gun crime, cops arresting gun criminals did, and law abiding gun owners helped....

Fewer people in NYC carried gun under Rudy. The way the got the criminals put away was the combined cooperation between the Cops and the Community. More guns had nothing to do with it. You keep leaving out the most crucial information that has done the most good. Until you turn it into a lie.

 

[2aguy]

You are talking out of your ass again.......you shouldn't do that, you will get a rash...

I can always tell when you are painted into another corner. You don't rebutt, you resort to insults. Well, cupcake, you lose once again. Get over it and move on to the next nonsensical subject. Stick a fork in you, you are done.

Except NOT one of your claims is true. FBI CDC and other Government sources all verify that firearms related incidents are all going DOWN and have been since the 90's. As firearm ownership goes up death and accidents all are going down. As for violent crime in the US it is pretty much confined to large democrat run cities with LOTS of blacks and Hispanics. In England it is EVERY where even the small towns.

In the US, they went down not because of more guns in lawful citizens hands. That has had nothing to do with anything other than not allow the accidental shootings to go down faster. The Gun related Violent Crimes went down due to the inner cities efforts in combating gun related crimes. Almost all inner cities rates have gone down since 1993. I can try and tell you it's because of the heavy gun regulations but that isn't it. It's the training of police and community involvement that have caused it to go down. I can remember when Denver was the Cop Murder Capital of the World. The number of Cops being shot there was staggering. Denver had a Mayor change and the new Mayor put together Community Action Groups that worked closely with the Police Forces and the Community. And they busted about half the Cops for corruption while they were at it. They started these programs in the early 90s but it wasn't until the late 90s or early 2000s that it started making a difference. More Guns or More Gun Regulations had nothing to do with it. NYC did the same thing in the early 2000s and the murder rate and gun related violent crimes went way down. I have NEVER claimed they have gone up. You are just making crap up again trying to discredit the person mauling your heroes. Shall I tear into you for a bit or are you going to start actually discussing things like a human.

And as more Americans own and carry guns since the 1990s, our gun murder rate went down, gun crime, down, violent crime, down...

Nothing you anti gunners said about people owning and carrying guns came true....the gun crime rates went down, not up....

This shows that you are wrong....absolutely wrong when you claim that Americans owning guns increases the gun crime rate....you core tenet of your belief system is wrong....

We keep telling you the way you stop gun crime? You lock up gun criminals.....that is what Rudy did in New York, and he lowered their crime rate...gun control didn't stop the gun crime, cops arresting gun criminals did, and law abiding gun owners helped....

Fewer people in NYC carried gun under Rudy. The way the got the criminals put away was the combined cooperation between the Cops and the Community. More guns had nothing to do with it. You keep leaving out the most crucial information that has done the most good. Until you turn it into a lie.

Rudy had the police arrest actual criminals and the prosecutors locked them up...

Oh, yeah........and he used stop and frisk to disarm known criminals........you forgot that.....

And again...Americans owning and carrying guns did not increase the gun crime rate....you are wrong.

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.