Beer, Cigarettes & Marijuana -- What's the difference?

[Foxfyre]

Nobody has ever become addicted to cannabis. Want proof? Check out the Hindu medicine men in India who smoke pot continuously.

Isn't there a thread on USMB somewhere citing the most ironic post of the day or something? This one probably qualifies.

How in the world would anybody using ANY substance continuously prove that a substance was not addictive?

 

[Tom Clancy]

It's one of the reasons I buy Fine Cut Tobacco, smells and tastes great..

I roll it myself, and hell lot cheaper..

50G of Tobacco for about 2.5$.

 

[Foxfyre]

As for cannabis not being addictive, the evidence shows otherwise.

It is less addictive than nicotine in which 1 out of 2 regular users will become addicted, and the addiction is weaker than incurred with alcohol with which 1 out of 10 regular users will become addicted. But about 9% of regular marijuana users do become addicted.

Many users compare their daily cannabis habit with dependency on caffeine. The UK Department of Health summed it up neatly: "Cannabis is a weakly addictive drug but does induce dependence in a significant minority of regular users."

Around 9% of users become addicted (1), although some studies estimate that over 50% of users have "impaired control" over their use of cannabis. Of the 70 million Americans estimated to have tried the drug, around two million use it daily. There are numerous marijuana rehab centers offering treatment programs for those serious about moving past their dependency on pot. (2)

tolerance
Tolerance builds up rapidly after a few doses and disappears rapidly after a couple of days of abstinence. Heavy users need as much as eight times higher doses to achieve the same psychoactive effects as regular users using smaller amounts. They still get stoned but not as powerfully.

One effect of cannabis you can't develop tolerance to is "the stimulatory effect on the appetite" or munchies.

withdrawal
If you are a regular cannabis smoker (every day) and you stop smoking, you will experience some of the following withdrawal symptoms: restlessness, irritability, mild agitation, insomnia, nausea, sleep disturbance, sweats, and intense dreams. These symptoms, however, are mild and short-lived, lasting 2 to 4 days. (3)

http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/cannabis/addiction.htm

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Not much. I do find it funny though that the Socialists/Progressives are now pushing to legalize Marijuana when it is they who are always pushing to ban cigarettes. My God,how many tobacco farmers have they put out of business? Remember all their "Evil Tobacco Company" rhetoric. Lots of shady lawyers sure did get rich off those class-action suits huh? Unfortunately they put a whole lot of poor farmers out of business in the process. You can't only support real Freedom & Liberty when it's convenient. What about all those poor farmers they put out of business? This is the main problem i have with the Socialists/Progressives who are now pushing to legalize Marijuana. Can't really trust them.

Ever watch how cigarettes are made? There isn't a natural leaf tobacco piece in any of them, except the ones made by Native Americans.

RJR takes the leaf, chops it into a slurry, adds whole bunches of chemicals to it, then dries the slurry out in big sheets and then chops THAT up to put in the cigarettes.

No........there is nothing "natural" or "healthy" about cigarettes. They're toxic.

Cannabis, on the other hand has been proven to help with Alzheimer's, is currently being researched for autism. It's also been proven to be helpful in cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy.

It's also proved pretty effective for PTSD and depression as well.

Now, considering the tax figures recently released to show that California made several MILLION dollars in tax on just medical marijuana dispensaries, they've calculated (based on the figures they had from medical marijuana) that it could be 1.5 BILLION DOLLARS/YEAR for tax if it was legal across the board.

Nobody has ever become addicted to cannabis. Want proof? Check out the Hindu medicine men in India who smoke pot continuously.

Pot was made illegal for racist reasons. If you support the continued criminalization of cannabis, you are a racist as well. Henry P. Anslinger and his propaganda film "Reefer Madness" did nothing but tell lies about the substance to scare people away from it.

Seems back then, the major consumers of pot were brown and black people, and Anslinger wanted a way to legally put them in jail, so he made their recreational substance illegal, knowing they would continue to smoke.

Additionally, the leftover plant material can be used to make oil, fabric, paper, and biofuel.

Why is it not legal already?

And, comparing the 3? Well, the last 8 years of my Navy career, I was a Drug and Alcohol Program Advisor (DAPA). Based on what I'd seen, as well as all the materials I'd studied, I could not see anything harmful about it.

6 months after I retired? I researched it on the internet to decide if I wanted to or not. I eventually did try it, and based on all the research that I've done, as well as in talking to many others who smoke as well, combined with all the research that I've read from Harvard Medical and the Royal British Medical Society and the US Government (read the Laguardia Report that was commissioned by Nixon), I can see no reason other than ignorance and racism for keeping it illegal.

Besides, it's easier at work when your co-worker went out and smoked cannabis rather than powering down a 12 pack and a bottle of Jack.

Hungover people are useless in the mornings, smokers aren't.

"I can see no other reason other than ignorance and racism for keeping it illegal." My God,what has happened to our country? So it's all about "Racism?" Maybe you should put your bong down and quit the ganja for awhile. You definitely don't need any more. Freedom & Liberty is not about convenience. You Socialists/Progressives should have been there when the lawyer scum were putting poor tobacco farmers out of business. You people don't have a leg to stand on.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Nobody has ever become addicted to cannabis. Want proof? Check out the Hindu medicine men in India who smoke pot continuously.

Isn't there a thread on USMB somewhere citing the most ironic post of the day or something? This one probably qualifies.

How in the world would anybody using ANY substance continuously prove that a substance was not addictive?

Because doctors and scientists have gone over there to check them out. It seems that these Hindu holy men live on food and cannabis brought to them by others, and it is their job to offer up prayers while smoking.

Some come and join, others leave the order and go to do other things. The ones that leave are the ones they check out, because they go from smoking continuously while they are awake to NOT smoking when they leave the order.

None had any physical or psychological ill effects.

THAT is how I know. Not my fault you don't know that, but it's probably because you've already closed your mind off to investigation of cannabis.

Sorry about your prejudice and close mindedness.

 

[Some Guy]

Nobody has ever become addicted to cannabis. Want proof? Check out the Hindu medicine men in India who smoke pot continuously.

Isn't there a thread on USMB somewhere citing the most ironic post of the day or something? This one probably qualifies.

How in the world would anybody using ANY substance continuously prove that a substance was not addictive?

My thoughts exactly.

Ever watch how cigarettes are made? There isn't a natural leaf tobacco piece in any of them, except the ones made by Native Americans.

RJR takes the leaf, chops it into a slurry, adds whole bunches of chemicals to it, then dries the slurry out in big sheets and then chops THAT up to put in the cigarettes.

No........there is nothing "natural" or "healthy" about cigarettes. They're toxic.

Cannabis, on the other hand has been proven to help with Alzheimer's, is currently being researched for autism. It's also been proven to be helpful in cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy.

It's also proved pretty effective for PTSD and depression as well.

Now, considering the tax figures recently released to show that California made several MILLION dollars in tax on just medical marijuana dispensaries, they've calculated (based on the figures they had from medical marijuana) that it could be 1.5 BILLION DOLLARS/YEAR for tax if it was legal across the board.

Nobody has ever become addicted to cannabis. Want proof? Check out the Hindu medicine men in India who smoke pot continuously.

Pot was made illegal for racist reasons. If you support the continued criminalization of cannabis, you are a racist as well. Henry P. Anslinger and his propaganda film "Reefer Madness" did nothing but tell lies about the substance to scare people away from it.

Seems back then, the major consumers of pot were brown and black people, and Anslinger wanted a way to legally put them in jail, so he made their recreational substance illegal, knowing they would continue to smoke.

Additionally, the leftover plant material can be used to make oil, fabric, paper, and biofuel.

Why is it not legal already?

And, comparing the 3? Well, the last 8 years of my Navy career, I was a Drug and Alcohol Program Advisor (DAPA). Based on what I'd seen, as well as all the materials I'd studied, I could not see anything harmful about it.

6 months after I retired? I researched it on the internet to decide if I wanted to or not. I eventually did try it, and based on all the research that I've done, as well as in talking to many others who smoke as well, combined with all the research that I've read from Harvard Medical and the Royal British Medical Society and the US Government (read the Laguardia Report that was commissioned by Nixon), I can see no reason other than ignorance and racism for keeping it illegal.

Besides, it's easier at work when your co-worker went out and smoked cannabis rather than powering down a 12 pack and a bottle of Jack.

Hungover people are useless in the mornings, smokers aren't.

Maybe you're right about why the law was put into place in the first place, but nowadays, i think marijuana is pretty universally loved by people from all races while also being disliked by people of all races. I think your argument about being racist if you support criminalized marijuana is a stretch.

Otherwise, i agree with you. I don't see why marijuana couldn't be legalized and controlled in much the same way as alcohol.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

One deranged Leftist here just claimed it's "Racist" to keep Marijuana illegal. More proof that pot does have an adverse effect on the human brain. It's true people. Yikes!

 

[Foxfyre]

Nobody has ever become addicted to cannabis. Want proof? Check out the Hindu medicine men in India who smoke pot continuously.

Isn't there a thread on USMB somewhere citing the most ironic post of the day or something? This one probably qualifies.

How in the world would anybody using ANY substance continuously prove that a substance was not addictive?

Because doctors and scientists have gone over there to check them out. It seems that these Hindu holy men live on food and cannabis brought to them by others, and it is their job to offer up prayers while smoking.

Some come and join, others leave the order and go to do other things. The ones that leave are the ones they check out, because they go from smoking continuously while they are awake to NOT smoking when they leave the order.

None had any physical or psychological ill effects.

THAT is how I know. Not my fault you don't know that, but it's probably because you've already closed your mind off to investigation of cannabis.

Sorry about your prejudice and close mindedness.

Well despite my prejudice and close mindedness, I provided a link to a reliable source to back up my opinion.

When you do that, I'll rethink my position.

 

[Dr Gregg]

As for cannabis not being addictive, the evidence shows otherwise.

It is less addictive than nicotine in which 1 out of 2 regular users will become addicted, and the addiction is weaker than incurred with alcohol with which 1 out of 10 regular users will become addicted. But about 9% of regular marijuana users do become addicted.

Many users compare their daily cannabis habit with dependency on caffeine. The UK Department of Health summed it up neatly: "Cannabis is a weakly addictive drug but does induce dependence in a significant minority of regular users."

Around 9% of users become addicted (1), although some studies estimate that over 50% of users have "impaired control" over their use of cannabis. Of the 70 million Americans estimated to have tried the drug, around two million use it daily. There are numerous marijuana rehab centers offering treatment programs for those serious about moving past their dependency on pot. (2)

tolerance
Tolerance builds up rapidly after a few doses and disappears rapidly after a couple of days of abstinence. Heavy users need as much as eight times higher doses to achieve the same psychoactive effects as regular users using smaller amounts. They still get stoned but not as powerfully.

One effect of cannabis you can't develop tolerance to is "the stimulatory effect on the appetite" or munchies.

withdrawal
If you are a regular cannabis smoker (every day) and you stop smoking, you will experience some of the following withdrawal symptoms: restlessness, irritability, mild agitation, insomnia, nausea, sleep disturbance, sweats, and intense dreams. These symptoms, however, are mild and short-lived, lasting 2 to 4 days. (3)

http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/cannabis/addiction.htm

I've experienced none of those things from smoking daily to not smoking at all

 

[Gunny]

Why are two of the above legal but the one isn't?
- 75000 die a year from alcohol related incidents.
- 0 die a year from Marijuana related incidents.
Why the hell can you drink as much alcohol as you want in America but a person can't smoke a joint without worrying about doing jail time? Simple question, please answer to the point.

You got a citation for your numbers? Because they are full of shit. While there ARE exceptions, most potheads I knew slaked their cotton mouth with their favorite cool, refreshing and alcohol-laden refreshing beverage. You positive for alcohol they don't bother testing for anything else so any report on the topic is jaundiced at best.

I always noticed potheads are the ones that make this argument. The fact is, both pot AND alcohol and many prescriptions for that matter, impair one's motor skills. Period.

 

[Foxfyre]

I don't see why marijuana couldn't be legalized and controlled in much the same way as alcohol.

The difference lies in the residual effect of both and the risk factors for the population as a whole. Somebody stoned on marijuana is certainly no more dangerous to himself or the population as a whole than is somebody drunk on alcohol.

However, alcohol, even in high quanities, clears the system within 24 hours and any residual hangover lasts no more than another 24 hours. Ergo, an airline pilot can be drunk as a skunk on Saturday night, and be perfectly sober and cleared for duty by Tuesday morning. And there will be no blood alcohol detected.

Marijuana, however, remains detectable in the body for up to 30 days and there is no known test to determine when a person last used it or how impaired he or she might be. And that makes it far more difficult to regulate than alcohol. For that reason, if we legalize the stuff, and I am not opposed to that, I would want the authorities to back employers and regulatory processes to the hilt to have zero tolerance for marijuana use in all professions where a clear head and quick response time is important.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Maybe you're right about why the law was put into place in the first place, but nowadays, i think marijuana is pretty universally loved by people from all races while also being disliked by people of all races. I think your argument about being racist if you support criminalized marijuana is a stretch.

Otherwise, i agree with you. I don't see why marijuana couldn't be legalized and controlled in much the same way as alcohol.

Ain't no "maybe" to it........

Pre-criminalization (1600s–1800s)

Hemp (a product of Cannabis sativa) was first brought to North America by the Puritans.

In the 17th century hemp was encouraged by the government in the production of rope, sails, and clothing; however, hemp use declined in the late eighteenth century. In the late nineteenth century, cannabis became a common ingredient in medicine and was openly sold at pharmacies.[2]
[edit] Criminalization (1900s)

The first significant instance of cannabis regulation appeared in District of Columbia in 1906.[3]. Regulations of cannabis followed in Massachusetts (1911), New York (1914) and Maine (1914). Simultaneously the western states developed significant tensions regarding the influx of Mexicans to America. Later in that decade, negative tensions grew between the small farms and the large farms that used cheaper Mexican labor. Shortly after, the depression came which increased tensions, as jobs and resources soon became scarce. Many Mexicans commonly smoked marijuana and had brought the plant with them over the border.[citation needed] In 1913 California passed the first state marijuana law, criminalizing the preparation of hemp and its products, the phrase Indian Hemp is sometimes used or what was referred to as "loco weed". These laws were passed not due to any widespread use or concern about cannabis, but as regulatory initiatives to discourage future use.[4][5] Other states followed with marijuana prohibition laws, including Wyoming (1915), Texas (1919), Iowa (1923), Nevada (1923), Oregon (1923), Washington (1923), Arkansas (1923), and Nebraska (1927).

Legal history of cannabis in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tell you what.......if you really want to find out about this, rent the documentary "Grass" narrated by Woody Harrelson.

And, in the 1970's, Nixon commissioned a report called the Laguardia Report concerning cannabis, because he was looking to prove that pot was bad.

When the report came back favorable for marijuana? Nixon threw it in the trash.

Ronald Reagan had Alzheimer's, and was really militant with his just say no campaign. Too bad he didn't know that Alzheimer's can be helped by cannabis. Maybe his later years wouldn't have been so messed up.

Nope. Legalize it. Carrie Nation taught us that prohibition doesn't work.

 

[Foxfyre]

As for cannabis not being addictive, the evidence shows otherwise.

It is less addictive than nicotine in which 1 out of 2 regular users will become addicted, and the addiction is weaker than incurred with alcohol with which 1 out of 10 regular users will become addicted. But about 9% of regular marijuana users do become addicted.

Many users compare their daily cannabis habit with dependency on caffeine. The UK Department of Health summed it up neatly: "Cannabis is a weakly addictive drug but does induce dependence in a significant minority of regular users."

Around 9% of users become addicted (1), although some studies estimate that over 50% of users have "impaired control" over their use of cannabis. Of the 70 million Americans estimated to have tried the drug, around two million use it daily. There are numerous marijuana rehab centers offering treatment programs for those serious about moving past their dependency on pot. (2)

tolerance
Tolerance builds up rapidly after a few doses and disappears rapidly after a couple of days of abstinence. Heavy users need as much as eight times higher doses to achieve the same psychoactive effects as regular users using smaller amounts. They still get stoned but not as powerfully.

One effect of cannabis you can't develop tolerance to is "the stimulatory effect on the appetite" or munchies.

withdrawal
If you are a regular cannabis smoker (every day) and you stop smoking, you will experience some of the following withdrawal symptoms: restlessness, irritability, mild agitation, insomnia, nausea, sleep disturbance, sweats, and intense dreams. These symptoms, however, are mild and short-lived, lasting 2 to 4 days. (3)

http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/cannabis/addiction.htm

I've experienced none of those things from smoking daily to not smoking at all

Are you sure? We read your posts.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Pot is not nearly the innocent & benign drug that the Pot Lobbyists are pushing. Pot Lobbyists are no different than any other Lobbyist in the end. They will lie to the politicians and claim that Pot is completely healthy and has absolutely no adverse health affects. They will continue to lie to the politicians the way all Lobbyists do until they get some legalization. I probably shouldn't bother to type this because i know it is likely to go over most peoples' heads here. I'm not being condescending,it's just the way it is. Oh well,here goes nothing...

Smoking Marijuana is not harmless. It actually causes several adverse health affects. Even the ancients such as our ancient Native Americans here even knew that you were not supposed to smoke these plants on a daily basis. They smoked these plants sporadically and on special occasions such as religious ceremonies and such. Even they knew then that if you sat around all day smoking these plants,you would likely die. Native Americans had to hunt to survive so they had to be very active people. Sitting around smoking all day every day,likely meant that they and their families would die. It really is common sense when you think about it. Pot is not the innocent & benign drug that so many are making it out to be. It just goes to show that all Lobbyists really are the same in the end. More lies than truths. Later.

 

[Gunny]

Not much. I do find it funny though that the Socialists/Progressives are now pushing to legalize Marijuana when it is they who are always pushing to ban cigarettes. My God,how many tobacco farmers have they put out of business? Remember all their "Evil Tobacco Company" rhetoric. Lots of shady lawyers sure did get rich off those class-action suits huh? Unfortunately they put a whole lot of poor farmers out of business in the process. You can't only support real Freedom & Liberty when it's convenient. What about all those poor farmers they put out of business? This is the main problem i have with the Socialists/Progressives who are now pushing to legalize Marijuana. Can't really trust them.

Ever watch how cigarettes are made? There isn't a natural leaf tobacco piece in any of them, except the ones made by Native Americans.

RJR takes the leaf, chops it into a slurry, adds whole bunches of chemicals to it, then dries the slurry out in big sheets and then chops THAT up to put in the cigarettes.

No........there is nothing "natural" or "healthy" about cigarettes. They're toxic.

Cannabis, on the other hand has been proven to help with Alzheimer's, is currently being researched for autism. It's also been proven to be helpful in cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy.

It's also proved pretty effective for PTSD and depression as well.

Now, considering the tax figures recently released to show that California made several MILLION dollars in tax on just medical marijuana dispensaries, they've calculated (based on the figures they had from medical marijuana) that it could be 1.5 BILLION DOLLARS/YEAR for tax if it was legal across the board.

Nobody has ever become addicted to cannabis. Want proof? Check out the Hindu medicine men in India who smoke pot continuously.

Pot was made illegal for racist reasons. If you support the continued criminalization of cannabis, you are a racist as well. Henry P. Anslinger and his propaganda film "Reefer Madness" did nothing but tell lies about the substance to scare people away from it.

Seems back then, the major consumers of pot were brown and black people, and Anslinger wanted a way to legally put them in jail, so he made their recreational substance illegal, knowing they would continue to smoke.

Additionally, the leftover plant material can be used to make oil, fabric, paper, and biofuel.

Why is it not legal already?

And, comparing the 3? Well, the last 8 years of my Navy career, I was a Drug and Alcohol Program Advisor (DAPA). Based on what I'd seen, as well as all the materials I'd studied, I could not see anything harmful about it.

6 months after I retired? I researched it on the internet to decide if I wanted to or not. I eventually did try it, and based on all the research that I've done, as well as in talking to many others who smoke as well, combined with all the research that I've read from Harvard Medical and the Royal British Medical Society and the US Government (read the Laguardia Report that was commissioned by Nixon), I can see no reason other than ignorance and racism for keeping it illegal.

Besides, it's easier at work when your co-worker went out and smoked cannabis rather than powering down a 12 pack and a bottle of Jack.

Hungover people are useless in the mornings, smokers aren't.

Who cares? Name your poison, dude. As in, you name yours, I'll name mine. THAT is liberal.

Telling others what is best for them is fascist.

 

[Gunny]

Maybe you're right about why the law was put into place in the first place, but nowadays, i think marijuana is pretty universally loved by people from all races while also being disliked by people of all races. I think your argument about being racist if you support criminalized marijuana is a stretch.

Otherwise, i agree with you. I don't see why marijuana couldn't be legalized and controlled in much the same way as alcohol.

Ain't no "maybe" to it........

Pre-criminalization (1600s–1800s)

Hemp (a product of Cannabis sativa) was first brought to North America by the Puritans.

In the 17th century hemp was encouraged by the government in the production of rope, sails, and clothing; however, hemp use declined in the late eighteenth century. In the late nineteenth century, cannabis became a common ingredient in medicine and was openly sold at pharmacies.[2]
[edit] Criminalization (1900s)

The first significant instance of cannabis regulation appeared in District of Columbia in 1906.[3]. Regulations of cannabis followed in Massachusetts (1911), New York (1914) and Maine (1914). Simultaneously the western states developed significant tensions regarding the influx of Mexicans to America. Later in that decade, negative tensions grew between the small farms and the large farms that used cheaper Mexican labor. Shortly after, the depression came which increased tensions, as jobs and resources soon became scarce. Many Mexicans commonly smoked marijuana and had brought the plant with them over the border.[citation needed] In 1913 California passed the first state marijuana law, criminalizing the preparation of hemp and its products, the phrase Indian Hemp is sometimes used or what was referred to as "loco weed". These laws were passed not due to any widespread use or concern about cannabis, but as regulatory initiatives to discourage future use.[4][5] Other states followed with marijuana prohibition laws, including Wyoming (1915), Texas (1919), Iowa (1923), Nevada (1923), Oregon (1923), Washington (1923), Arkansas (1923), and Nebraska (1927).

Legal history of cannabis in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tell you what.......if you really want to find out about this, rent the documentary "Grass" narrated by Woody Harrelson.

And, in the 1970's, Nixon commissioned a report called the Laguardia Report concerning cannabis, because he was looking to prove that pot was bad.

When the report came back favorable for marijuana? Nixon threw it in the trash.

Ronald Reagan had Alzheimer's, and was really militant with his just say no campaign. Too bad he didn't know that Alzheimer's can be helped by cannabis. Maybe his later years wouldn't have been so messed up.

Nope. Legalize it. Carrie Nation taught us that prohibition doesn't work.

So which report was it that's been the ongoing villification of tobacco? I love that second hand smoke theory. You suck in more carbon monoxide at a metro bus stop in 15 minutes than you will being stuck in a closet with a chain smoker.

Pot makes people lazy. It impairs their motor skills, thus impairing their judgment. I'm not saying any one is better than the other -- for clarification -- only that pot smokers spend a LOT of time trying to say pot is less dangerous.

BS.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Not much. I do find it funny though that the Socialists/Progressives are now pushing to legalize Marijuana when it is they who are always pushing to ban cigarettes. My God,how many tobacco farmers have they put out of business? Remember all their "Evil Tobacco Company" rhetoric. Lots of shady lawyers sure did get rich off those class-action suits huh? Unfortunately they put a whole lot of poor farmers out of business in the process. You can't only support real Freedom & Liberty when it's convenient. What about all those poor farmers they put out of business? This is the main problem i have with the Socialists/Progressives who are now pushing to legalize Marijuana. Can't really trust them.

Ever watch how cigarettes are made? There isn't a natural leaf tobacco piece in any of them, except the ones made by Native Americans.

RJR takes the leaf, chops it into a slurry, adds whole bunches of chemicals to it, then dries the slurry out in big sheets and then chops THAT up to put in the cigarettes.

No........there is nothing "natural" or "healthy" about cigarettes. They're toxic.

Cannabis, on the other hand has been proven to help with Alzheimer's, is currently being researched for autism. It's also been proven to be helpful in cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy.

It's also proved pretty effective for PTSD and depression as well.

Now, considering the tax figures recently released to show that California made several MILLION dollars in tax on just medical marijuana dispensaries, they've calculated (based on the figures they had from medical marijuana) that it could be 1.5 BILLION DOLLARS/YEAR for tax if it was legal across the board.

Nobody has ever become addicted to cannabis. Want proof? Check out the Hindu medicine men in India who smoke pot continuously.

Pot was made illegal for racist reasons. If you support the continued criminalization of cannabis, you are a racist as well. Henry P. Anslinger and his propaganda film "Reefer Madness" did nothing but tell lies about the substance to scare people away from it.

Seems back then, the major consumers of pot were brown and black people, and Anslinger wanted a way to legally put them in jail, so he made their recreational substance illegal, knowing they would continue to smoke.

Additionally, the leftover plant material can be used to make oil, fabric, paper, and biofuel.

Why is it not legal already?

And, comparing the 3? Well, the last 8 years of my Navy career, I was a Drug and Alcohol Program Advisor (DAPA). Based on what I'd seen, as well as all the materials I'd studied, I could not see anything harmful about it.

6 months after I retired? I researched it on the internet to decide if I wanted to or not. I eventually did try it, and based on all the research that I've done, as well as in talking to many others who smoke as well, combined with all the research that I've read from Harvard Medical and the Royal British Medical Society and the US Government (read the Laguardia Report that was commissioned by Nixon), I can see no reason other than ignorance and racism for keeping it illegal.

Besides, it's easier at work when your co-worker went out and smoked cannabis rather than powering down a 12 pack and a bottle of Jack.

Hungover people are useless in the mornings, smokers aren't.

Who cares? Name your poison, dude. As in, you name yours, I'll name mine. THAT is liberal.

Telling others what is best for them is fascist.

I didn't say what was or wasn't best for them. I told them what I'd experienced as a DAPA and a bartender at a biker bar.

Most of the fights were because of alcohol or some other substance besides pot. The people who smoked pot only out back? Not a lick of trouble, and pretty decent tippers, because most of them would eat the chow we served.

Incidentally, there are several people (one of which is my friend Jim who is a computer technician), who are anything BUT lazy and they smoke all the time.

 

[California Girl]

I think that anyone who feels so insecure that they need to dissect a post word for word to respond is a little bit pathetic.

lol


anyone who gets so upset by having their claims refuted that they result to such lame attempts at an attacks shouldn't bother posting in the first place

Refute what you like, I honestly don't care. What you put into your body is not my business - until you make it mine, by affecting me and mine. Other than that, I am not at all interested in the damage that drugs or alcohol do to an individual. It is of no concern to me. I simply don't care what other people choose to do.... UNTIL IT AFFECTS ME AND MINE.

 

[California Girl]

As for cannabis not being addictive, the evidence shows otherwise.

It is less addictive than nicotine in which 1 out of 2 regular users will become addicted, and the addiction is weaker than incurred with alcohol with which 1 out of 10 regular users will become addicted. But about 9% of regular marijuana users do become addicted.

Many users compare their daily cannabis habit with dependency on caffeine. The UK Department of Health summed it up neatly: "Cannabis is a weakly addictive drug but does induce dependence in a significant minority of regular users."

Around 9% of users become addicted (1), although some studies estimate that over 50% of users have "impaired control" over their use of cannabis. Of the 70 million Americans estimated to have tried the drug, around two million use it daily. There are numerous marijuana rehab centers offering treatment programs for those serious about moving past their dependency on pot. (2)

tolerance
Tolerance builds up rapidly after a few doses and disappears rapidly after a couple of days of abstinence. Heavy users need as much as eight times higher doses to achieve the same psychoactive effects as regular users using smaller amounts. They still get stoned but not as powerfully.

One effect of cannabis you can't develop tolerance to is "the stimulatory effect on the appetite" or munchies.

withdrawal
If you are a regular cannabis smoker (every day) and you stop smoking, you will experience some of the following withdrawal symptoms: restlessness, irritability, mild agitation, insomnia, nausea, sleep disturbance, sweats, and intense dreams. These symptoms, however, are mild and short-lived, lasting 2 to 4 days. (3)

http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/cannabis/addiction.htm

I've experienced none of those things from smoking daily to not smoking at all

So, because you have not experienced these effects, they effects don't exist? What a fucking moron. Drugs affect different people differently.... Growing UK research suggests a strong link between pot and paranoia. Does that mean everyone who does it will suffer from paranoia? No. But, it means that it can act as a trigger in some people.

 

[Gunny]

Ever watch how cigarettes are made? There isn't a natural leaf tobacco piece in any of them, except the ones made by Native Americans.

RJR takes the leaf, chops it into a slurry, adds whole bunches of chemicals to it, then dries the slurry out in big sheets and then chops THAT up to put in the cigarettes.

No........there is nothing "natural" or "healthy" about cigarettes. They're toxic.

Cannabis, on the other hand has been proven to help with Alzheimer's, is currently being researched for autism. It's also been proven to be helpful in cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy.

It's also proved pretty effective for PTSD and depression as well.

Now, considering the tax figures recently released to show that California made several MILLION dollars in tax on just medical marijuana dispensaries, they've calculated (based on the figures they had from medical marijuana) that it could be 1.5 BILLION DOLLARS/YEAR for tax if it was legal across the board.

Nobody has ever become addicted to cannabis. Want proof? Check out the Hindu medicine men in India who smoke pot continuously.

Pot was made illegal for racist reasons. If you support the continued criminalization of cannabis, you are a racist as well. Henry P. Anslinger and his propaganda film "Reefer Madness" did nothing but tell lies about the substance to scare people away from it.

Seems back then, the major consumers of pot were brown and black people, and Anslinger wanted a way to legally put them in jail, so he made their recreational substance illegal, knowing they would continue to smoke.

Additionally, the leftover plant material can be used to make oil, fabric, paper, and biofuel.

Why is it not legal already?

And, comparing the 3? Well, the last 8 years of my Navy career, I was a Drug and Alcohol Program Advisor (DAPA). Based on what I'd seen, as well as all the materials I'd studied, I could not see anything harmful about it.

6 months after I retired? I researched it on the internet to decide if I wanted to or not. I eventually did try it, and based on all the research that I've done, as well as in talking to many others who smoke as well, combined with all the research that I've read from Harvard Medical and the Royal British Medical Society and the US Government (read the Laguardia Report that was commissioned by Nixon), I can see no reason other than ignorance and racism for keeping it illegal.

Besides, it's easier at work when your co-worker went out and smoked cannabis rather than powering down a 12 pack and a bottle of Jack.

Hungover people are useless in the mornings, smokers aren't.

Who cares? Name your poison, dude. As in, you name yours, I'll name mine. THAT is liberal.

Telling others what is best for them is fascist.

I didn't say what was or wasn't best for them. I told them what I'd experienced as a DAPA and a bartender at a biker bar.

Most of the fights were because of alcohol or some other substance besides pot. The people who smoked pot only out back? Not a lick of trouble, and pretty decent tippers, because most of them would eat the chow we served.

Incidentally, there are several people (one of which is my friend Jim who is a computer technician), who are anything BUT lazy and they smoke all the time.

Was a the bouncer at that biker bar?

I hate to point this out, but I probably put more weed through a bong before I was 20 than you have to date. The personality determines the behavior, the intoxicant merely exacerbates it in one way or the other.

Define "lazy". You don't have to get off your ass and do anything to be a computer tech and I'm well aware some people can function better in certain circumstances coupled with their intoxicant of choice. The basic symptoms for each and every intoxicant didn't come out of nowhere.

Nothing cracked me up more than sitting through Sociology, stoned out of my gourd, watching "Reefer Madness".

I'm not selling anything. Point is, when you get out of bed in the morning you put yourself at risk. When you CHOOSE to engage in risky behavior, it's heightened even more. The facts remain as I stated ... intoxicants inhibit ones motor skills; therefore, inhibiting their judgment. People die all the time.

My argument was against the OP that was a total, one-sided promotional ploy for potheads.

Conversely, I have always made the same argument from the other POV. Pot's no worse than alcohol. The government is stupid for keeping it illegal when they could package it and tax the Hell out of it like they do gas and alcohol. Just as during Prohibition, the only people profiting from it being illegal are the gangsters. People are using it anyway.