Before 1948

[montelatici]

 

[montelatici]

Strange that there would be a newspaper in Ottoman Palestine called Filastin in 1911 if Filastin was not used by the Turks or the Arabs.

http://web.nli.org.il/sites/nlis/he...ion/Filastin_1911_07_15_0001_pic-1-edited.png

 

[P F Tinmore]

ADDRESS the OP boys and girls.

Getting back to the OP, what evidence can someone provide of life loving, peace loving Palestinians prior to 1948? And what evidence against it?

1941-1945 - Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husayni Collaborates with the Axis Powers

Image of Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin al-Husayni.
Source: Library of Congress, "His Eminence the Grand Mufti," loc.gov (accessed Oct. 28, 2015)

"Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin al-Husayni (Arab nationalist and prominent Muslim religious leader)—escaped to Berlin, where they broadcast appeals to their home countries in order to foment unrest, sabotage, and insurrection against the Allies. In exile in Europe from 1941 to 1945, al-Husayni's status was that of a prominent individual anti-Jewish Arab and Muslim leader...

[Haj Amin] al-Husayni sought public recognition from the Axis powers of his status as leader of a proposed Arab nation. He also sought public approval from the Axis powers for an independent Arab state or federation to 'remove' or 'eliminate' the proposed Jewish homeland in Palestine...

When he [Hitler] received al-Husayni on November 28, 1941, a meeting covered in the German press, Hitler was sympathetic, but declined to give al-Husayni the public declaration of support that he sought. Despite Hitler's response, al-Husayni still collaborated with Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy in several ways. He broadcast anti-Allied and anti-Jewish propaganda by radio to the Arab world and to Muslim communities under German control or influence. He sought to inspire and to indoctrinate Muslim men to serve in Axis military and auxiliary units. Even after he realized that the Germans would not give him what he sought and intended to use his Muslim recruits without regard to his advice, al-Husayni continued to work with both Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany until 1945."

US Holocaust Memorial Museum "Hajj Amin al-Husayni: Wartime Propagandist," ushmm.org

[Haj Amin] al-Husayni sought public recognition from the Axis powers of his status as leader of a proposed Arab nation. He also sought public approval from the Axis powers for an independent Arab state or federation to 'remove' or 'eliminate' the proposed Jewish homeland in Palestine...

Al-Husayni toured the countries of Europe seeking support. Germany was one of those countries. Israeli propagandists pound on this visit while ignoring all the others.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Strange that there would be a newspaper in Ottoman Palestine called Filastin in 1911 if Filastin was not used by the Turks or the Arabs.

http://web.nli.org.il/sites/nlis/he...ion/Filastin_1911_07_15_0001_pic-1-edited.png

A newspaper started only in 1911 and by Arab Greek Orthodox, in order to to counter Zionism, and which was closed about 20 times by the Ottomans
and the British....

Do you have anything before 1911 and which does not attack Jews?

Falastin (newspaper) - Wikipedia

 

[MJB12741]

Strange that there would be a newspaper in Ottoman Palestine called Filastin in 1911 if Filastin was not used by the Turks or the Arabs.

http://web.nli.org.il/sites/nlis/he...ion/Filastin_1911_07_15_0001_pic-1-edited.png

A newspaper started only in 1911 and by Arab Greek Orthodox, in order to to counter Zionism, and which was closed about 20 times by the Ottomans
and the British....

Do you have anything before 1911 and which does not attack Jews?

Falastin (newspaper) - Wikipedia

Just a predecessor to the Palestine Monitor. Same old Palestinian mentality.

 

[rylah]

Let's see:
جند فلسطين‎‎, "military district of Palestine" was one of the military districts of the Ummayad and Abbasid Caliphate province of Bilad al-Sham (Syria), organized soon after the Muslim conquest of the Levant in the 630s.

Jund Filastin, which encompassed most of Palaestina Prima and Palaestina Tertia, included the newly established city of Ramla as its capital. (No Jerusalem?)

According to al-Biladhuri, the main towns of the district, following its conquest by the Rashidun Caliphate, were Gaza, Sebastia, Nablus, Caesarea, Ludd, Yibna, Imwas, Jaffa, Rafah, and Bayt Jibrin.
(Again No Jerusalem??)

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What's even more interesting:

The Arab tribes that settled Jund Filastin after the Muslim conquest were the Lakhm, Kindah, Qais, Amilah, Judham and the Kinanah;[2]

 

[montelatici]

And?

 

[rylah]

And?

Simply explains all those Arabian tribe names the Palestinians still have.

The tribe of Banu Abbas for example...

 

[rylah]

The Banu Abbas (Arabic: بنو عباس‎‎) are an Arabian tribe, descendants of Al-‘Abbas ibn ‘Abd al-Muttalib. The caliphs of the Banu Abbas served as heads of the Muslim community for a period of five centuries (from 750 until the sack of Baghdad in 1258).[2] This was the Abbasid caliphate.

Sebusites really?

 

[montelatici]

But, then there is fact.

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin
In Palestine the "small" number of Arab invaders who had been imported by the Arabian conquerors were wiped out by disease. Thus the "myth" of the "Palestinian Arab" descending "from the Arab conquerors" appears to be factually incorrect for all but perhaps a few. Supporting Hogarth, Hitti, and Lewis, the Reverend Parkes found that during the first century after the Arab conquest the caliph and governors of Syria and The Land [Palestine] ruled almost entirely over Christian and Jewish subjects. Apart from the bedouin [nomads], in the earliest days the only Arabs west of the Jordan (not all of whom were themselves Muslims) were the garnisons... "They "were small," and were "decimated" by epidemics within two years after the capture of Jerusalem. After a law, prohibiting the Arabs from owning land there, had been rescinded, "rich Arabs" came into ownership of "a good deal of the country."[83]"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

DNA confirms that the Muslims and Christians of Palestine are mostly the descendants of the indigenous people combined with the DNA of various invaders, Jews included.http://thekeyofknowledge.net/General/DL/palestinians.pdf

 

[rylah]

But, then there is fact.

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin
In Palestine the "small" number of Arab invaders who had been imported by the Arabian conquerors were wiped out by disease. Thus the "myth" of the "Palestinian Arab" descending "from the Arab conquerors" appears to be factually incorrect for all but perhaps a few. Supporting Hogarth, Hitti, and Lewis, the Reverend Parkes found that during the first century after the Arab conquest the caliph and governors of Syria and The Land [Palestine] ruled almost entirely over Christian and Jewish subjects. Apart from the bedouin [nomads], in the earliest days the only Arabs west of the Jordan (not all of whom were themselves Muslims) were the garnisons... "They "were small," and were "decimated" by epidemics within two years after the capture of Jerusalem. After a law, prohibiting the Arabs from owning land there, had been rescinded, "rich Arabs" came into ownership of "a good deal of the country."[83]"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

DNA confirms that the Muslims and Christians of Palestine are mostly the descendants of the indigenous people combined with the DNA of various invaders, Jews included.http://thekeyofknowledge.net/General/DL/palestinians.pdf

But but but...

Yeah a bunch of Spaniards and Italians can tell us more about the Palestinians, than the Palestinians themselves.

 

[montelatici]

DNA is rather more conclusive. But then, you are a propagandist and post Hasbara sourced material which to you is fact.

 

[Roudy]

The origin of Jews is Israel, or 'Palestine' as many call it, and this was common knowledge in Europe.
Reflected by their long going discrimination of Jews and making laws forbidding them immigration to Palestine.

On the one hand you Zionists say there was no such place as Palestine, now apparently Palestine was common knowledge in Europe? Provide evidence other than on sentance in a tract by Emmanuel Kant that this was the case. While you are at it, what European laws forbade immigration to non existant Palestine in the 18th and 19th centuries?

That's because Palestine was the name the Europeans gave to the region. The Arab Muslims did not believe in it. The Ottomans called it Southern Syria.

Ottomans were Turks not Arabs, and both Turks and Arabs called the area "Filastin" as the name appears on Ottoman maps. Administrative district names can be anything they like, but they don't always adhere to regional names.

Bzzzt wrong, the Ottomans ruled the region for 700 years and called the region "Southern Syria" orr "sooria". Their maps clearly say so. Palestine is the name the Europeans called the region. But it's good you admit that the Arabs did not rule the region for 700 years, and under Ottoamn rule, the Jews were I voted to come back and they did.

Nah, Ottomans called it Southern Syria. Their maps clearly indicate it. This is a goofy poster.

 

[rylah]

DNA is rather more conclusive. But then, you are a propagandist and post Hasbara sourced material which to you is fact.

I dare You to actually read the DNA study You've linked. It's astonishing.
It concludes that the identification of the different Cnaanites in the Torah is on spot and connects the Palestinians to all various Jewish communities in the exile.

"Palestinians are close to Egyptians, Lebanese, Iranians, Cretans, Macedonians and Sardinians, and also to Algerians, Spaniards, French, Italians and Basques (Table 3, Figures 4, 5, and 6)."
Jews, Cretans, Egyptians, Iranians, Turks and Armenians are probably the closest relatives to Palestinians and this favors the hypothesis that most of the HLA Palestinian genetic background comes from the Middle East (ancient Canaan, [6]), ancient stock, i.e.: ancient Canaanites.

 

[montelatici]

Just like the so-called European Zionists. Ain't that a hoot. LOL

 

[Indeependent]

Just like the so-called European Zionists. Ain't that a hoot. LOL

Next time around, make sure the Roman Empire doesn't drag most of Jerusalem to Europe.

 

[Roudy]

Strange that there would be a newspaper in Ottoman Palestine called Filastin in 1911 if Filastin was not used by the Turks or the Arabs.

http://web.nli.org.il/sites/nlis/he...ion/Filastin_1911_07_15_0001_pic-1-edited.png

As usual you're fulla lies and shit. The Ottomans and Arabs started calling it Palestine or "Falastine" in the 19th century as a result of EUROPEAN influences. Your Palestine is a hoax!

Afternoon Map: Search results for palestine

Our next map, like the rest in Jughrafiya-i Osmani (see 90, 101, 104, and 116), make no mention of Palestine anywhere. This was not uncommon for the period, as Palestine did not constitute an administrative district in the Ottoman Empire. Instead, the entire region is labeled ‘Suriye’ in all of these maps.






Now we turn to another map in Jughrafiya-i Osmani (after p. 98) which does in fact mention Palestine, now spelled in standard Ottoman (as well as Arabic) way rather than spelled as a transliteration of the Latin word Palestina. This map claims to be a map of the Ottoman administrative geography (taksimat-i idariya), which is interesting because, as we just stated above, Filistin was NOT an administrative unit in the Ottoman Empire. The region in which Filistin appears in this map (in between the two horizontal lines) was in fact the Mutasarıflık(Mutasarifiyya, in Arabic) of Jerusalem, of Kudüs-i Şerif. Indeed, it was not uncommon in both Ottoman and Arabic geographical thinking to regarding ‘Palestine’ as synonymous with this administrative district.[4] This was a curious blend of the way the Ottoman administered the region – and the way the Europeans labeled them.





Note that Filastin does not appear anywhere on the map. Again, insofar as this is a translation of a book by one of most well-regarded botanists and geographers of Palestine in the nineteenth century, we once again see just how much the Arabs, in this case, came under the influence of their European counterparts. Indeed, this is one of the first books ever published in the Arab language which included the word ‘Filastin’ in the title of the work, and, low and behold, it is a translation from the English!

The editors of the OHP have urged me to include a cautionary note to nationalist ideologues on all sides of the spectrum: the 'idea' of palestine in Arab and Ottoman thinking indeed bears heavy European influences, but this a point of scholarly interest, and has no political implications of any kind.

 

[rylah]

Just like the so-called European Zionists. Ain't that a hoot. LOL

So if Jews and Palestinians are actually brothers, what shall we do about it?

 

[montelatici]

Just like the so-called European Zionists. Ain't that a hoot. LOL

So if Jews and Palestinians are actually brothers, what shall we do about it?

Strange that there would be a newspaper in Ottoman Palestine called Filastin in 1911 if Filastin was not used by the Turks or the Arabs.

http://web.nli.org.il/sites/nlis/he...ion/Filastin_1911_07_15_0001_pic-1-edited.png

As usual you're fulla lies and shit. The Ottomans and Arabs started calling it Palestine or "Falastine" in the 19th century as a result of EUROPEAN influences. Your Palestine is a hoax!

Afternoon Map: Search results for palestine

Our next map, like the rest in Jughrafiya-i Osmani (see 90, 101, 104, and 116), make no mention of Palestine anywhere. This was not uncommon for the period, as Palestine did not constitute an administrative district in the Ottoman Empire. Instead, the entire region is labeled ‘Suriye’ in all of these maps.






Now we turn to another map in Jughrafiya-i Osmani (after p. 98) which does in fact mention Palestine, now spelled in standard Ottoman (as well as Arabic) way rather than spelled as a transliteration of the Latin word Palestina. This map claims to be a map of the Ottoman administrative geography (taksimat-i idariya), which is interesting because, as we just stated above, Filistin was NOT an administrative unit in the Ottoman Empire. The region in which Filistin appears in this map (in between the two horizontal lines) was in fact the Mutasarıflık(Mutasarifiyya, in Arabic) of Jerusalem, of Kudüs-i Şerif. Indeed, it was not uncommon in both Ottoman and Arabic geographical thinking to regarding ‘Palestine’ as synonymous with this administrative district.[4] This was a curious blend of the way the Ottoman administered the region – and the way the Europeans labeled them.





Note that Filastin does not appear anywhere on the map. Again, insofar as this is a translation of a book by one of most well-regarded botanists and geographers of Palestine in the nineteenth century, we once again see just how much the Arabs, in this case, came under the influence of their European counterparts. Indeed, this is one of the first books ever published in the Arab language which included the word ‘Filastin’ in the title of the work, and, low and behold, it is a translation from the English!

The editors of the OHP have urged me to include a cautionary note to nationalist ideologues on all sides of the spectrum: the 'idea' of palestine in Arab and Ottoman thinking indeed bears heavy European influences, but this a point of scholarly interest, and has no political implications of any kind.

So besides the Romans and the Greeks, the Turks also called the place Palestine. Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[montelatici]

Just like the so-called European Zionists. Ain't that a hoot. LOL

So if Jews and Palestinians are actually brothers, what shall we do about it?

Take religion out of the equation and admit that the Zionists are just settler colonists that have no more ancestral ties to the area than Italians, Greeks etc.