Bernie: Communist, Socialist, Liberal, or Progressive?

[Dovahkiin]

Here's a coincidence for you to explain:

The contemporary Democrat Party stands for almost every aim of the communist party (CPUSA).

Shocker, huh?

Do you find it surprising that the CPUSA is laughed at by communists? Go to reddit/rev left or any other left wing website.
Oh, do you find it surprising that neo nazi's agree with some of what trump wants? That doesn't make trump a neo nazi.
Anyways, onto your point. Can I have the list of things the cpusa stands for?

Wise of you not to deny that the contemporary Democrat Party stands for almost every aim of the communist party (CPUSA).

More directly their Democrat party planks directly mirror the Communist manifesto

..And? Maybe the commies had some good ideas that can be applied without killing engine of prosperity. < ----- (Capitalism)

Right, because we can have a centrally planned economy with distributed decision making ...

We do?

 

[Publius1787]

Getcha 'Program! Can't Tell The Players Widdout' A Program!
The players are communists, socialists, Progressives, Liberals, fascists and Nazis.
They all play for the same team.


Time to dispel the propaganda and embrace the reality: We can quibble over exactly who is who...but any difference between them is simply how dedicated each is to Leftism....that means how far each will go:
a. will they simply deprive opponents of rights, such as respect, or free speech, or one's livelihood...

b. .....or will they round 'em up, put 'em in camps....all the way up to starvation and slaughter.
Of course....that may merely depend on how much power they have in society.



Today....let's look at Bernie Sanders....socialist? Communist? Progressive? Of...Liberals?
Getcha' program!



1. " [At] the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

2. ...graduating with a political science degree, Sanders moved to Vermont, where he headed the American People’s History Society, an organ for Marxist propaganda. There, he produced a glowing documentary on the life of socialist revolutionary Eugene Debs, who was jailed for espionage during the Red Scare and hailed by the Bolsheviks as “America’s greatest Marxist.” Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist | New York Post


a. Eugene Victor Debs, Bernie's paragon: "... Debs agreed with the left wing of the Socialist Party—people like Bill Haywood and Mother Jones, who would help found the Industrial Workers of the World (the 'Wobblies). They advocated workers taking control where the power of the ruling class was rooted—in the factories. ... Within the SP, members had very different ideas about socialism and how it would be achieved. Some believed in socialism as a steady increase in social reforms achieved by socialists being elected to political office—others looked to a revolutionary transformation of society.....

Eventually, those leftists who remained in the SP quit to help form a new Communist Party on the model of what Lenin and the Bolsheviks had built in Russia. Debs, while he supported the Russian Revolution and remained a revolutionary, nonetheless stayed in the SP." Socialism according to Eugene V. Debs


Still imagine there is any great difference between socialists and communists....and Bernie?

Communism seeks to abolish all private ownership of business. Bernie does not. He is not a Communist.

Lesson one for you to get a headache over.

Does not Marx tell us that socialism is the path to communism?

 

[SmokeALib]

Sanders is yesterday's news. So to answer the OP's question: Who gives a shit?

 

[kaz]

Do you find it surprising that the CPUSA is laughed at by communists? Go to reddit/rev left or any other left wing website.
Oh, do you find it surprising that neo nazi's agree with some of what trump wants? That doesn't make trump a neo nazi.
Anyways, onto your point. Can I have the list of things the cpusa stands for?

Wise of you not to deny that the contemporary Democrat Party stands for almost every aim of the communist party (CPUSA).

More directly their Democrat party planks directly mirror the Communist manifesto

..And? Maybe the commies had some good ideas that can be applied without killing engine of prosperity. < ----- (Capitalism)

Right, because we can have a centrally planned economy with distributed decision making ...

We do?

I don't know what that means. But in case you missed it my post was sarcasm. Socialism is a centrally planned economy, capitalism is a distributed plan where we all make our own choices. They are polar opposites

 

[JakeStarkey]

The far right do not get their own definitions of terms and words.

They don't get their own history.

And the sane posters here will keep kicking far right nonsense up far right ass.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Does not Marx tell us that socialism is the path to communism?

Does not Common Wisdom tell us that marijuana is the path to opium addiction?

 

[kaz]

Does not Marx tell us that socialism is the path to communism?

Does not Common Wisdom tell us the marijuana is the path to opium addiction?

Common wisdom?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Does not Common Wisdom tell us that Libertarianism is the gateway to Anarchy.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Getcha 'Program! Can't Tell The Players Widdout' A Program!
The players are communists, socialists, Progressives, Liberals, fascists and Nazis.
They all play for the same team.


Time to dispel the propaganda and embrace the reality: We can quibble over exactly who is who...but any difference between them is simply how dedicated each is to Leftism....that means how far each will go:
a. will they simply deprive opponents of rights, such as respect, or free speech, or one's livelihood...

b. .....or will they round 'em up, put 'em in camps....all the way up to starvation and slaughter.
Of course....that may merely depend on how much power they have in society.



Today....let's look at Bernie Sanders....socialist? Communist? Progressive? Of...Liberals?
Getcha' program!



1. " [At] the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

2. ...graduating with a political science degree, Sanders moved to Vermont, where he headed the American People’s History Society, an organ for Marxist propaganda. There, he produced a glowing documentary on the life of socialist revolutionary Eugene Debs, who was jailed for espionage during the Red Scare and hailed by the Bolsheviks as “America’s greatest Marxist.” Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist | New York Post


a. Eugene Victor Debs, Bernie's paragon: "... Debs agreed with the left wing of the Socialist Party—people like Bill Haywood and Mother Jones, who would help found the Industrial Workers of the World (the 'Wobblies). They advocated workers taking control where the power of the ruling class was rooted—in the factories. ... Within the SP, members had very different ideas about socialism and how it would be achieved. Some believed in socialism as a steady increase in social reforms achieved by socialists being elected to political office—others looked to a revolutionary transformation of society.....

Eventually, those leftists who remained in the SP quit to help form a new Communist Party on the model of what Lenin and the Bolsheviks had built in Russia. Debs, while he supported the Russian Revolution and remained a revolutionary, nonetheless stayed in the SP." Socialism according to Eugene V. Debs


Still imagine there is any great difference between socialists and communists....and Bernie?

Communism seeks to abolish all private ownership of business. Bernie does not. He is not a Communist.

Lesson one for you to get a headache over.

Does not Marx tell us that socialism is the path to communism?

Do you assume Marx is right? No Communist country that has ever existed got there via an evolutionary path through socialism to communism.

Socialism is the deterrent to Communism.

 

[Likkmee]

Getcha 'Program! Can't Tell The Players Widdout' A Program!
The players are communists, socialists, Progressives, Liberals, fascists and Nazis.
They all play for the same team.


Time to dispel the propaganda and embrace the reality: We can quibble over exactly who is who...but any difference between them is simply how dedicated each is to Leftism....that means how far each will go:
a. will they simply deprive opponents of rights, such as respect, or free speech, or one's livelihood...

b. .....or will they round 'em up, put 'em in camps....all the way up to starvation and slaughter.
Of course....that may merely depend on how much power they have in society.



Today....let's look at Bernie Sanders....socialist? Communist? Progressive? Or...Liberal?
Getcha' program!



1. " [At] the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

2. ...graduating with a political science degree, Sanders moved to Vermont, where he headed the American People’s History Society, an organ for Marxist propaganda. There, he produced a glowing documentary on the life of socialist revolutionary Eugene Debs, who was jailed for espionage during the Red Scare and hailed by the Bolsheviks as “America’s greatest Marxist.” Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist | New York Post


a. Eugene Victor Debs, Bernie's paragon: "... Debs agreed with the left wing of the Socialist Party—people like Bill Haywood and Mother Jones, who would help found the Industrial Workers of the World (the 'Wobblies). They advocated workers taking control where the power of the ruling class was rooted—in the factories. ... Within the SP, members had very different ideas about socialism and how it would be achieved. Some believed in socialism as a steady increase in social reforms achieved by socialists being elected to political office—others looked to a revolutionary transformation of society.....

Eventually, those leftists who remained in the SP quit to help form a new Communist Party on the model of what Lenin and the Bolsheviks had built in Russia. Debs, while he supported the Russian Revolution and remained a revolutionary, nonetheless stayed in the SP." Socialism according to Eugene V. Debs


Still imagine there is any great difference between socialists and communists....and Bernie?

None of the above.
Delusional politician living in a separate world from we who foot the bills.....or sign the note to borrow from China and Japan to do so.

 

[Dot Com]

good walls of cut 'n paste text PoliSpice

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[LeftofLeft]

Whatever Sanders is, he plays on people's pain and envy; pitching the myth that wealth can be redistributed without harming the economy. If wealth is being confiscated, what then happens to the incentive to create wealth?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Whatever Sanders is, he plays on people's pain and envy; pitching the myth that wealth can be redistributed without harming the economy. If wealth is being confiscated, what then happens to the incentive to create wealth?

Did rich people disappear when the top tax rate was 90%?

 

[LeftofLeft]

Whatever Sanders is, he plays on people's pain and envy; pitching the myth that wealth can be redistributed without harming the economy. If wealth is being confiscated, what then happens to the incentive to create wealth?

Did rich people disappear when the top tax rate was 90%?

Rich People will always be around. Question is, why do you people want to limit the number of rich people? At 90% tax rate, is there more or less rich people? At 90% tax rate, were the poor better off vs. a 35% tax rate today? Compare the two. If you want to expand welfare, how are you going to pay for it without shrinking the pie?

Worse, you limit the number of rich people by punishing the high annual income earners yet lock in the wealthy elite. What good is that when you kill upward mobility (aka "incentive"). When incentives recede, the size of the pie shrinks.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Whatever Sanders is, he plays on people's pain and envy; pitching the myth that wealth can be redistributed without harming the economy. If wealth is being confiscated, what then happens to the incentive to create wealth?

Did rich people disappear when the top tax rate was 90%?

Rich People will always be around. Question is, why do you people want to limit the number of rich people? At 90% tax rate, is there more or less rich people? At 90% tax rate, were the poor better off vs. a 35% tax rate today? Compare the two. If you want to expand welfare, how are you going to pay for it without shrinking the pie?

Worse, you limit the number of rich people by punishing the high annual income earners yet lock in the wealthy elite. What good is that when you kill upward mobility (aka "incentive"). When incentives recede, the size of the pie shrinks.

At a 90% tax rate we were paying for WWII.

 

[Rustic]

Getcha 'Program! Can't Tell The Players Widdout' A Program!
The players are communists, socialists, Progressives, Liberals, fascists and Nazis.
They all play for the same team.


Time to dispel the propaganda and embrace the reality: We can quibble over exactly who is who...but any difference between them is simply how dedicated each is to Leftism....that means how far each will go:
a. will they simply deprive opponents of rights, such as respect, or free speech, or one's livelihood...

b. .....or will they round 'em up, put 'em in camps....all the way up to starvation and slaughter.
Of course....that may merely depend on how much power they have in society.



Today....let's look at Bernie Sanders....socialist? Communist? Progressive? Or...Liberal?
Getcha' program!



1. " [At] the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

2. ...graduating with a political science degree, Sanders moved to Vermont, where he headed the American People’s History Society, an organ for Marxist propaganda. There, he produced a glowing documentary on the life of socialist revolutionary Eugene Debs, who was jailed for espionage during the Red Scare and hailed by the Bolsheviks as “America’s greatest Marxist.” Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist | New York Post


a. Eugene Victor Debs, Bernie's paragon: "... Debs agreed with the left wing of the Socialist Party—people like Bill Haywood and Mother Jones, who would help found the Industrial Workers of the World (the 'Wobblies). They advocated workers taking control where the power of the ruling class was rooted—in the factories. ... Within the SP, members had very different ideas about socialism and how it would be achieved. Some believed in socialism as a steady increase in social reforms achieved by socialists being elected to political office—others looked to a revolutionary transformation of society.....

Eventually, those leftists who remained in the SP quit to help form a new Communist Party on the model of what Lenin and the Bolsheviks had built in Russia. Debs, while he supported the Russian Revolution and remained a revolutionary, nonetheless stayed in the SP." Socialism according to Eugene V. Debs


Still imagine there is any great difference between socialists and communists....and Bernie?

...and a loopy kunt

 

[LeftofLeft]

Whatever Sanders is, he plays on people's pain and envy; pitching the myth that wealth can be redistributed without harming the economy. If wealth is being confiscated, what then happens to the incentive to create wealth?

Did rich people disappear when the top tax rate was 90%?

Rich People will always be around. Question is, why do you people want to limit the number of rich people? At 90% tax rate, is there more or less rich people? At 90% tax rate, were the poor better off vs. a 35% tax rate today? Compare the two. If you want to expand welfare, how are you going to pay for it without shrinking the pie?

Worse, you limit the number of rich people by punishing the high annual income earners yet lock in the wealthy elite. What good is that when you kill upward mobility (aka "incentive"). When incentives recede, the size of the pie shrinks.

At a 90% tax rate we were paying for WWII.

.....and, compare being poor then vs. being poor today? Expand welfare all you want, you need to find a way to pay for it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Whatever Sanders is, he plays on people's pain and envy; pitching the myth that wealth can be redistributed without harming the economy. If wealth is being confiscated, what then happens to the incentive to create wealth?

Did rich people disappear when the top tax rate was 90%?

Rich People will always be around. Question is, why do you people want to limit the number of rich people? At 90% tax rate, is there more or less rich people? At 90% tax rate, were the poor better off vs. a 35% tax rate today? Compare the two. If you want to expand welfare, how are you going to pay for it without shrinking the pie?

Worse, you limit the number of rich people by punishing the high annual income earners yet lock in the wealthy elite. What good is that when you kill upward mobility (aka "incentive"). When incentives recede, the size of the pie shrinks.

At a 90% tax rate we were paying for WWII.

.....and, compare being poor then vs. being poor today? Expand welfare all you want, you need to find a way to pay for it.

The real poverty rate today is about 4%, when you count government assistance as part of one's income.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Whatever Sanders is, he plays on people's pain and envy; pitching the myth that wealth can be redistributed without harming the economy. If wealth is being confiscated, what then happens to the incentive to create wealth?

Did rich people disappear when the top tax rate was 90%?

Rich People will always be around. Question is, why do you people want to limit the number of rich people? At 90% tax rate, is there more or less rich people? At 90% tax rate, were the poor better off vs. a 35% tax rate today? Compare the two. If you want to expand welfare, how are you going to pay for it without shrinking the pie?

Worse, you limit the number of rich people by punishing the high annual income earners yet lock in the wealthy elite. What good is that when you kill upward mobility (aka "incentive"). When incentives recede, the size of the pie shrinks.

At a 90% tax rate we were paying for WWII.

.....and, compare being poor then vs. being poor today? Expand welfare all you want, you need to find a way to pay for it.

The real poverty rate today is about 4%, when you count government assistance as part of one's income.

What was the real poverty rate at 90 percent with less government assistance? It's all about optimal balance and not policies rooted in pure class envy

 

[Publius1787]

Getcha 'Program! Can't Tell The Players Widdout' A Program!
The players are communists, socialists, Progressives, Liberals, fascists and Nazis.
They all play for the same team.


Time to dispel the propaganda and embrace the reality: We can quibble over exactly who is who...but any difference between them is simply how dedicated each is to Leftism....that means how far each will go:
a. will they simply deprive opponents of rights, such as respect, or free speech, or one's livelihood...

b. .....or will they round 'em up, put 'em in camps....all the way up to starvation and slaughter.
Of course....that may merely depend on how much power they have in society.



Today....let's look at Bernie Sanders....socialist? Communist? Progressive? Of...Liberals?
Getcha' program!



1. " [At] the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

2. ...graduating with a political science degree, Sanders moved to Vermont, where he headed the American People’s History Society, an organ for Marxist propaganda. There, he produced a glowing documentary on the life of socialist revolutionary Eugene Debs, who was jailed for espionage during the Red Scare and hailed by the Bolsheviks as “America’s greatest Marxist.” Don’t be fooled by Bernie Sanders — he’s a diehard communist | New York Post


a. Eugene Victor Debs, Bernie's paragon: "... Debs agreed with the left wing of the Socialist Party—people like Bill Haywood and Mother Jones, who would help found the Industrial Workers of the World (the 'Wobblies). They advocated workers taking control where the power of the ruling class was rooted—in the factories. ... Within the SP, members had very different ideas about socialism and how it would be achieved. Some believed in socialism as a steady increase in social reforms achieved by socialists being elected to political office—others looked to a revolutionary transformation of society.....

Eventually, those leftists who remained in the SP quit to help form a new Communist Party on the model of what Lenin and the Bolsheviks had built in Russia. Debs, while he supported the Russian Revolution and remained a revolutionary, nonetheless stayed in the SP." Socialism according to Eugene V. Debs


Still imagine there is any great difference between socialists and communists....and Bernie?

Communism seeks to abolish all private ownership of business. Bernie does not. He is not a Communist.

Lesson one for you to get a headache over.

Does not Marx tell us that socialism is the path to communism?

Do you assume Marx is right? No Communist country that has ever existed got there via an evolutionary path through socialism to communism.

Socialism is the deterrent to Communism.

LOL, I'm glad you understand that much. But I will grant you one further: there is no successful path to Communism. With that said, this doesn't prevent the true believers from assuming so.