Bernie Sanders thinks our government should be more like the ones found in Scandanavia

[SAYIT]

The Canada/US border is the longest in defended border in the world. If the U.S. is so great, why aren't Canadians swarming across the border? What's to stop us?

If life is so wonderful up there, why aren't Americans swarming into Canada?
What's to stop us?

Lots of them do. We have a lot of Americans who come here. We took in a lot of American draft dodgers during the Vietnam War era.
The founders of Roots are Americans who moved to Canada.
Some of my husband's family came here from Pennsylvania.

Well, all your best hockey players come here but I wouldn't call the migration in either direction "swarming." So if Canada is so much the better choice, why aren't Americans (and for that matter all the world) beating a path to your door?
Immigration to Canada - 250,000/yr
Immigration to US - 3 mil/yr

Legally?
Canada has about a 225k/yr legal quota - it's open and works on a point system.
US has a 140k/yr legal quota plus another category for asylum which adds another 70k/yr. The US system works on categories as well as percentages (no more that 7% of all applicants can be from the same country for via apps, and set numbers of asylum seekers from a set number of countries).

Obviously you took Canada's real numbers, and then used the estimate for the number of undocumented immigrants to the US. This, of course, is apples and oranges.

Yes, I'm pretty certain most of the hockey players are here legally and are you suggesting that 2.8 million US illegals "swarm" into Canada each year?

 

[oldernwiser]

... fuck the rich...

So who in your mind are the rich? Those who make $1mil/yr or more? Those who make half that? Those whose net worth is over $1mil? The thing is, lots of Americans - most of whom consume much of their earnings - prefer to make their own way without fucking the rich. Meanwhile most of the rich must invest in America - creating jobs and prosperity - as an alternative to stuffing their wealth in a mattress.

It's really hard to assign a number to this concept, but I would define being "rich" as having considerably more wealth remaining after all needs are dismissed. A person making $1 million a year who spends nearly that much during the course of that year is certainly not rich, whereas a person making $1 million a year and only spending $100k certainly is.

Maybe that's how it should be broken down rather than a set dollar amount.

And I would agree that SOME of the rich reinvest. But not even close to most. Otherwise, those stagnant trillions in the economy would have been out there working their magic already - creating jobs, getting people off food stamps and welfare...

 

[oldernwiser]

The Canada/US border is the longest in defended border in the world. If the U.S. is so great, why aren't Canadians swarming across the border? What's to stop us?

If life is so wonderful up there, why aren't Americans swarming into Canada?
What's to stop us?

Lots of them do. We have a lot of Americans who come here. We took in a lot of American draft dodgers during the Vietnam War era.
The founders of Roots are Americans who moved to Canada.
Some of my husband's family came here from Pennsylvania.

Well, all your best hockey players come here but I wouldn't call the migration in either direction "swarming." So if Canada is so much the better choice, why aren't Americans (and for that matter all the world) beating a path to your door?
Immigration to Canada - 250,000/yr
Immigration to US - 3 mil/yr

Legally?
Canada has about a 225k/yr legal quota - it's open and works on a point system.
US has a 140k/yr legal quota plus another category for asylum which adds another 70k/yr. The US system works on categories as well as percentages (no more that 7% of all applicants can be from the same country for via apps, and set numbers of asylum seekers from a set number of countries).

Obviously you took Canada's real numbers, and then used the estimate for the number of undocumented immigrants to the US. This, of course, is apples and oranges.

Yes, I'm pretty certain most of the hockey players are here legally and are you suggesting that 2.8 million US illegals "swarm" into Canada each year?

No - actually I think that was YOU who said that... I was the one who brought up that your statistics were crap. Do try to keep up.

 

[bripat9643]

... fuck the rich...

So who in your mind are the rich? Those who make $1mil/yr or more? Those who make half that? Those whose net worth is over $1mil? The thing is, lots of Americans - most of whom consume much of their earnings - prefer to make their own way without fucking the rich. Meanwhile most of the rich must invest in America - creating jobs and prosperity - as an alternative to stuffing their wealth in a mattress.

It's really hard to assign a number to this concept, but I would define being "rich" as having considerably more wealth remaining after all needs are dismissed. A person making $1 million a year who spends nearly that much during the course of that year is certainly not rich, whereas a person making $1 million a year and only spending $100k certainly is.

Maybe that's how it should be broken down rather than a set dollar amount.

And I would agree that SOME of the rich reinvest. But not even close to most. Otherwise, those stagnant trillions in the economy would have been out there working their magic already - creating jobs, getting people off food stamps and welfare...

So if you are a playboy who spends a million a year jetting around the world, staying in the finest hotels and wallowing in $1000/hr prostitutes, you aren't rich?

 

[SAYIT]

... fuck the rich...

So who in your mind are the rich? Those who make $1mil/yr or more? Those who make half that? Those whose net worth is over $1mil? The thing is, lots of Americans - most of whom consume much of their earnings - prefer to make their own way without fucking the rich. Meanwhile most of the rich must invest in America - creating jobs and prosperity - as an alternative to stuffing their wealth in a mattress.

It's really hard to assign a number to this concept, but I would define being "rich" as having considerably more wealth remaining after all needs are dismissed. A person making $1 million a year who spends nearly that much during the course of that year is certainly not rich, whereas a person making $1 million a year and only spending $100k certainly is...

Of course, then you would have to define "needs" and I would suggest that the person making and consuming $1mil/yr is doing less good than the person who consumes $100,000 and saves $900,000/yr. Surely you must know that $900,000 isn't going into a mattress.
So where do you think it does go?

And I would agree that SOME of the rich reinvest. But not even close to most. Otherwise, those stagnant trillions in the economy would have been out there working their magic already - creating jobs, getting people off food stamps and welfare...

Stagnant trillions? So you think the wealthy - you know, those who don't consume every dollar they earn - stuff their cash in a mattress? Really?

 

[SAYIT]

If life is so wonderful up there, why aren't Americans swarming into Canada?
What's to stop us?

Lots of them do. We have a lot of Americans who come here. We took in a lot of American draft dodgers during the Vietnam War era.
The founders of Roots are Americans who moved to Canada.
Some of my husband's family came here from Pennsylvania.

Well, all your best hockey players come here but I wouldn't call the migration in either direction "swarming." So if Canada is so much the better choice, why aren't Americans (and for that matter all the world) beating a path to your door?
Immigration to Canada - 250,000/yr
Immigration to US - 3 mil/yr

Legally?
Canada has about a 225k/yr legal quota - it's open and works on a point system.
US has a 140k/yr legal quota plus another category for asylum which adds another 70k/yr. The US system works on categories as well as percentages (no more that 7% of all applicants can be from the same country for via apps, and set numbers of asylum seekers from a set number of countries).

Obviously you took Canada's real numbers, and then used the estimate for the number of undocumented immigrants to the US. This, of course, is apples and oranges.

Yes, I'm pretty certain most of the hockey players are here legally and are you suggesting that 2.8 million US illegals "swarm" into Canada each year?

No - actually I think that was YOU who said that... I was the one who brought up that your statistics were crap. Do try to keep up.

It certainly was not me but rather Dragonlady who claimed Canadian domestic policies are so superior to ours that "lots" of Americans are swarming there. I simply pointed out that for every immigrant Canada absorbs the US gets 9. Do try to keep up.

 

[oldernwiser]

... fuck the rich...

So who in your mind are the rich? Those who make $1mil/yr or more? Those who make half that? Those whose net worth is over $1mil? The thing is, lots of Americans - most of whom consume much of their earnings - prefer to make their own way without fucking the rich. Meanwhile most of the rich must invest in America - creating jobs and prosperity - as an alternative to stuffing their wealth in a mattress.

It's really hard to assign a number to this concept, but I would define being "rich" as having considerably more wealth remaining after all needs are dismissed. A person making $1 million a year who spends nearly that much during the course of that year is certainly not rich, whereas a person making $1 million a year and only spending $100k certainly is.

Maybe that's how it should be broken down rather than a set dollar amount.

And I would agree that SOME of the rich reinvest. But not even close to most. Otherwise, those stagnant trillions in the economy would have been out there working their magic already - creating jobs, getting people off food stamps and welfare...

So if you are a playboy who spends a million a year jetting around the world, staying in the finest hotels and wallowing in $1000/hr prostitutes, you aren't rich?

No matter what you buy, your spending is someone's income. If you don't spend, people go hungry. Hookers and hoteliers alike.

 

[bripat9643]

... fuck the rich...

So who in your mind are the rich? Those who make $1mil/yr or more? Those who make half that? Those whose net worth is over $1mil? The thing is, lots of Americans - most of whom consume much of their earnings - prefer to make their own way without fucking the rich. Meanwhile most of the rich must invest in America - creating jobs and prosperity - as an alternative to stuffing their wealth in a mattress.

It's really hard to assign a number to this concept, but I would define being "rich" as having considerably more wealth remaining after all needs are dismissed. A person making $1 million a year who spends nearly that much during the course of that year is certainly not rich, whereas a person making $1 million a year and only spending $100k certainly is.

Maybe that's how it should be broken down rather than a set dollar amount.

And I would agree that SOME of the rich reinvest. But not even close to most. Otherwise, those stagnant trillions in the economy would have been out there working their magic already - creating jobs, getting people off food stamps and welfare...

So if you are a playboy who spends a million a year jetting around the world, staying in the finest hotels and wallowing in $1000/hr prostitutes, you aren't rich?

No matter what you buy, your spending is someone's income. If you don't spend, people go hungry. Hookers and hoteliers alike.

So how does that prove the playboy is rich or not?

 

[Andylusion]

He's right. Sander's entire political position is dictated by FACTS. You know those pesky things republicans try to avoid to win over a stupid American populace.

Bernie Sanders I can beat Hillary Clinton - CBS News

He has a long shot. I know that. He probably ultimately won't become president, but you know his message will at least be heard. Hopefully something comes out of that.

The Koch brothers donated close to a billion to the republican campaign. Thats twice as much of the funding for the entire 2012 republican campaign. Two guys essentially comprise an entire third party.

Why are average joe republicans okay with that?

Hm.... so Sanders thinks we should be more like Scandinavia... and you claim to be all about facts.

Alright.... none of the above countries has a minimum wage. Are you supporting elimination of the minimum wage?

Corporate tax in the above countries is 23.5%, 20%, 20%, 27%, 22%.
In the US, it's 40%. Are you supporting cutting the corporate tax by half?

All of the above countries have an average international trade tariff of between 0% and 1%. Norway has an average tariff on imported goods of just 0.3%. The US has an average import tariff of 1.5% and over. Are you supporting cutting tariffs and supporting open markets and free-trade?

So....... here are some facts. And you want us to be like Scandinavia. Do you still want us to be like Scandinavia, or are you ignoring some facts?

Which is it?

 

[oldernwiser]

... fuck the rich...

So who in your mind are the rich? Those who make $1mil/yr or more? Those who make half that? Those whose net worth is over $1mil? The thing is, lots of Americans - most of whom consume much of their earnings - prefer to make their own way without fucking the rich. Meanwhile most of the rich must invest in America - creating jobs and prosperity - as an alternative to stuffing their wealth in a mattress.

It's really hard to assign a number to this concept, but I would define being "rich" as having considerably more wealth remaining after all needs are dismissed. A person making $1 million a year who spends nearly that much during the course of that year is certainly not rich, whereas a person making $1 million a year and only spending $100k certainly is...

Of course, then you would have to define "needs" and I would suggest that the person making and consuming $1mil/yr is doing less good than the person who consumes $100,000 and saves $900,000/yr. Surely you must know that $900,000 isn't going into a mattress.
So where do you think it does go?

And I would agree that SOME of the rich reinvest. But not even close to most. Otherwise, those stagnant trillions in the economy would have been out there working their magic already - creating jobs, getting people off food stamps and welfare...

Stagnant trillions? So you think the wealthy - you know, those who don't consume every dollar they earn - stuff their cash in a mattress? Really?

It doesn't get stuffed into mattresses, it gets stuffed into trust funds. Or, it gets stuffed into offshore accounts where it does absolutely no one any good. There comes a point where some folks just can't spend the money they earn fast enough, so it's accumulated in interest bearing accounts which have no impact on the country's productivity but is relatively safe from market fluctuations.

 

[Andylusion]

He's right. Sander's entire political position is dictated by FACTS. You know those pesky things republicans try to avoid to win over a stupid American populace.

Bernie Sanders I can beat Hillary Clinton - CBS News

He has a long shot. I know that. He probably ultimately won't become president, but you know his message will at least be heard. Hopefully something comes out of that.

The Koch brothers donated close to a billion to the republican campaign. Thats twice as much of the funding for the entire 2012 republican campaign. Two guys essentially comprise an entire third party.

Why are average joe republicans okay with that?

How nice of you to call the American populace stupid.

If Bernie is fond of Scandanavia....he can move there.

Do you know where the US public education system ranks among the rest of the world?

Worse than it should be.... by far. Of course our education system is run by socialized government public schools.

If there is anyone to blame for poor education, it's socialist supporters like Bernie.

 

[Billy000]

He's right. Sander's entire political position is dictated by FACTS. You know those pesky things republicans try to avoid to win over a stupid American populace.

Bernie Sanders I can beat Hillary Clinton - CBS News

He has a long shot. I know that. He probably ultimately won't become president, but you know his message will at least be heard. Hopefully something comes out of that.

The Koch brothers donated close to a billion to the republican campaign. Thats twice as much of the funding for the entire 2012 republican campaign. Two guys essentially comprise an entire third party.

Why are average joe republicans okay with that?

Hm.... so Sanders thinks we should be more like Scandinavia... and you claim to be all about facts.

Alright.... none of the above countries has a minimum wage. Are you supporting elimination of the minimum wage?

Corporate tax in the above countries is 23.5%, 20%, 20%, 27%, 22%.
In the US, it's 40%. Are you supporting cutting the corporate tax by half?

All of the above countries have an average international trade tariff of between 0% and 1%. Norway has an average tariff on imported goods of just 0.3%. The US has an average import tariff of 1.5% and over. Are you supporting cutting tariffs and supporting open markets and free-trade?

So....... here are some facts. And you want us to be like Scandinavia. Do you still want us to be like Scandinavia, or are you ignoring some facts?

Which is it?

Um you are flat out wrong about these countries not having minimum wages. I also never said that the US should change everything about it. I said "more like".

Also, in terms of GDP, Norway has the world's 4th biggest economy. They also have a strong middle class while ours is weakening.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Why are average joe republicans okay with that?

They aren't ok with it. They are ok with it depending on who does it. Say George Soros and you'll see them do a 180. Say Koch Bros and they'll spin another 180.

 

[Andylusion]

... fuck the rich...

So who in your mind are the rich? Those who make $1mil/yr or more? Those who make half that? Those whose net worth is over $1mil? The thing is, lots of Americans - most of whom consume much of their earnings - prefer to make their own way without fucking the rich. Meanwhile most of the rich must invest in America - creating jobs and prosperity - as an alternative to stuffing their wealth in a mattress.

It's really hard to assign a number to this concept, but I would define being "rich" as having considerably more wealth remaining after all needs are dismissed. A person making $1 million a year who spends nearly that much during the course of that year is certainly not rich, whereas a person making $1 million a year and only spending $100k certainly is...

Of course, then you would have to define "needs" and I would suggest that the person making and consuming $1mil/yr is doing less good than the person who consumes $100,000 and saves $900,000/yr. Surely you must know that $900,000 isn't going into a mattress.
So where do you think it does go?

And I would agree that SOME of the rich reinvest. But not even close to most. Otherwise, those stagnant trillions in the economy would have been out there working their magic already - creating jobs, getting people off food stamps and welfare...

Stagnant trillions? So you think the wealthy - you know, those who don't consume every dollar they earn - stuff their cash in a mattress? Really?

It doesn't get stuffed into mattresses, it gets stuffed into trust funds. Or, it gets stuffed into offshore accounts where it does absolutely no one any good. There comes a point where some folks just can't spend the money they earn fast enough, so it's accumulated in interest bearing accounts which have no impact on the country's productivity but is relatively safe from market fluctuations.

You are ignorant.

Trust funds, and off shore accounts... but are utilized by the economy. If I shove money into an off shore account.... what do you think the bank does with it?

The mythology that there's a big vault with millions of gold coins you can swim through like Scrooge McDuck on on a Disney cartoon, is idiotic.

Banks invest the money into the economy, and so do trust funds. I assume you have never dealt with a trust fund. You don't just park raw cash in warehouse somewhere, and that's the "trust fund".

You buy rentals, or land, or investments like bonds or stocks in a company. All of which benefit the economy. Banks make loans, or investments. All of which benefit the economy.

There is no magic money sitting somewhere doing nothing, unless it really is in a jar on your counter top, or stuffed in the mattress. But rich people don't do that. They invest. That's why they are rich.

 

[Billy000]

He's right. Sander's entire political position is dictated by FACTS. You know those pesky things republicans try to avoid to win over a stupid American populace.

Bernie Sanders I can beat Hillary Clinton - CBS News

He has a long shot. I know that. He probably ultimately won't become president, but you know his message will at least be heard. Hopefully something comes out of that.

The Koch brothers donated close to a billion to the republican campaign. Thats twice as much of the funding for the entire 2012 republican campaign. Two guys essentially comprise an entire third party.

Why are average joe republicans okay with that?

How nice of you to call the American populace stupid.

If Bernie is fond of Scandanavia....he can move there.

Do you know where the US public education system ranks among the rest of the world?

Worse than it should be.... by far. Of course our education system is run by socialized government public schools.

If there is anyone to blame for poor education, it's socialist supporters like Bernie.

lol so your brilliant solution is to completely privatize our education system? Are you that dense? How the fuck would that help? Either way it is retarded considering a dozen developed counties have better student performance based on socialized systems.

 

[bripat9643]

... fuck the rich...

So who in your mind are the rich? Those who make $1mil/yr or more? Those who make half that? Those whose net worth is over $1mil? The thing is, lots of Americans - most of whom consume much of their earnings - prefer to make their own way without fucking the rich. Meanwhile most of the rich must invest in America - creating jobs and prosperity - as an alternative to stuffing their wealth in a mattress.

It's really hard to assign a number to this concept, but I would define being "rich" as having considerably more wealth remaining after all needs are dismissed. A person making $1 million a year who spends nearly that much during the course of that year is certainly not rich, whereas a person making $1 million a year and only spending $100k certainly is...

Of course, then you would have to define "needs" and I would suggest that the person making and consuming $1mil/yr is doing less good than the person who consumes $100,000 and saves $900,000/yr. Surely you must know that $900,000 isn't going into a mattress.
So where do you think it does go?

And I would agree that SOME of the rich reinvest. But not even close to most. Otherwise, those stagnant trillions in the economy would have been out there working their magic already - creating jobs, getting people off food stamps and welfare...

Stagnant trillions? So you think the wealthy - you know, those who don't consume every dollar they earn - stuff their cash in a mattress? Really?

It doesn't get stuffed into mattresses, it gets stuffed into trust funds. Or, it gets stuffed into offshore accounts where it does absolutely no one any good. There comes a point where some folks just can't spend the money they earn fast enough, so it's accumulated in interest bearing accounts which have no impact on the country's productivity but is relatively safe from market fluctuations.

If it's in an interest bearing account, then banks are lending it out to other companies. If it's in a trust fund, then it's in the form of stocks and bonds, which means it's being used to create jobs. If it goes into an offshore account, it's helping people in the country where the account is located.

 

[Andylusion]

He's right. Sander's entire political position is dictated by FACTS. You know those pesky things republicans try to avoid to win over a stupid American populace.

Bernie Sanders I can beat Hillary Clinton - CBS News

He has a long shot. I know that. He probably ultimately won't become president, but you know his message will at least be heard. Hopefully something comes out of that.

The Koch brothers donated close to a billion to the republican campaign. Thats twice as much of the funding for the entire 2012 republican campaign. Two guys essentially comprise an entire third party.

Why are average joe republicans okay with that?

Hm.... so Sanders thinks we should be more like Scandinavia... and you claim to be all about facts.

Alright.... none of the above countries has a minimum wage. Are you supporting elimination of the minimum wage?

Corporate tax in the above countries is 23.5%, 20%, 20%, 27%, 22%.
In the US, it's 40%. Are you supporting cutting the corporate tax by half?

All of the above countries have an average international trade tariff of between 0% and 1%. Norway has an average tariff on imported goods of just 0.3%. The US has an average import tariff of 1.5% and over. Are you supporting cutting tariffs and supporting open markets and free-trade?

So....... here are some facts. And you want us to be like Scandinavia. Do you still want us to be like Scandinavia, or are you ignoring some facts?

Which is it?

Um you are flat out wrong about these countries not having minimum wages. I also never said that the US should change everything about it. I said "more like".

Also, in terms of GDP, Norway has the world's 4th biggest economy. They also have a strong middle class while ours is weakening.

No, I am not wrong. You are wrong, and a liar who said he's about facts, but proves he's about political partisan ignorance.

More like what? They have more capitalism than we do. Denmark ranks higher on the economic freedom index than the US does. That's a fact. You claimed to be about facts. Clearly the fact-less group here is yours.

You claim we should be more like Scandinavia, then deny things we could change to actually be more like Scandinavia. You are ignorant liar. There's a fact for you.

 

[Andylusion]

He's right. Sander's entire political position is dictated by FACTS. You know those pesky things republicans try to avoid to win over a stupid American populace.

Bernie Sanders I can beat Hillary Clinton - CBS News

He has a long shot. I know that. He probably ultimately won't become president, but you know his message will at least be heard. Hopefully something comes out of that.

The Koch brothers donated close to a billion to the republican campaign. Thats twice as much of the funding for the entire 2012 republican campaign. Two guys essentially comprise an entire third party.

Why are average joe republicans okay with that?

How nice of you to call the American populace stupid.

If Bernie is fond of Scandanavia....he can move there.

Do you know where the US public education system ranks among the rest of the world?

Worse than it should be.... by far. Of course our education system is run by socialized government public schools.

If there is anyone to blame for poor education, it's socialist supporters like Bernie.

lol so your brilliant solution is to completely privatize our education system? Are you that dense? How the fuck would that help? Either way it is retarded considering a dozen developed counties have better student performance based on socialized systems.

Private schools often have better academic outcomes, and do so at a lower cost. Yes, it would help.

I compared three school system, right here in Central Ohio. Columbus Academy, a private school system. Columbus public, and Upper Arlington Schools, a suburb.

The worst performing was Columbus public, with the worst grades and educational outcomes. The best, was Academy with the best grades and outcomes.

And yet, I looked up how much each system was spending per student. The Academy was spending less money than Columbus or Upper Arlington. And Columbus Public, was spending the most per student, and by a wide margin.

We've played it your socialized way. It sucks. We spend the most money, and have marginal results. The capitalist schools, spend the least money, and have the best results.

Yes absolutely. We should privatize the schools. You claim to be all about facts, but every time you are confronted with facts, you ignore them, and make up excuses. Ignorant liar.

 

[Billy000]

He's right. Sander's entire political position is dictated by FACTS. You know those pesky things republicans try to avoid to win over a stupid American populace.

Bernie Sanders I can beat Hillary Clinton - CBS News

He has a long shot. I know that. He probably ultimately won't become president, but you know his message will at least be heard. Hopefully something comes out of that.

The Koch brothers donated close to a billion to the republican campaign. Thats twice as much of the funding for the entire 2012 republican campaign. Two guys essentially comprise an entire third party.

Why are average joe republicans okay with that?

Hm.... so Sanders thinks we should be more like Scandinavia... and you claim to be all about facts.

Alright.... none of the above countries has a minimum wage. Are you supporting elimination of the minimum wage?

Corporate tax in the above countries is 23.5%, 20%, 20%, 27%, 22%.
In the US, it's 40%. Are you supporting cutting the corporate tax by half?

All of the above countries have an average international trade tariff of between 0% and 1%. Norway has an average tariff on imported goods of just 0.3%. The US has an average import tariff of 1.5% and over. Are you supporting cutting tariffs and supporting open markets and free-trade?

So....... here are some facts. And you want us to be like Scandinavia. Do you still want us to be like Scandinavia, or are you ignoring some facts?

Which is it?

Um you are flat out wrong about these countries not having minimum wages. I also never said that the US should change everything about it. I said "more like".

Also, in terms of GDP, Norway has the world's 4th biggest economy. They also have a strong middle class while ours is weakening.

No, I am not wrong. You are wrong, and a liar who said he's about facts, but proves he's about political partisan ignorance.

More like what? They have more capitalism than we do. Denmark ranks higher on the economic freedom index than the US does. That's a fact. You claimed to be about facts. Clearly the fact-less group here is yours.

You claim we should be more like Scandinavia, then deny things we could change to actually be more like Scandinavia. You are ignorant liar. There's a fact for you.

"They have more capitalism then we do"

Is that your idea of a "fact"? What does that even mean?

What separates US's economy from country's like Norway or Sweden are honest to god labor rights like maternity leave and paid time off. Norway also ranks as one of the happiest of populations on the planet. Among developed nations, the US is near the bottom.

 

[oldernwiser]

Lots of them do. We have a lot of Americans who come here. We took in a lot of American draft dodgers during the Vietnam War era.
The founders of Roots are Americans who moved to Canada.
Some of my husband's family came here from Pennsylvania.

Well, all your best hockey players come here but I wouldn't call the migration in either direction "swarming." So if Canada is so much the better choice, why aren't Americans (and for that matter all the world) beating a path to your door?
Immigration to Canada - 250,000/yr
Immigration to US - 3 mil/yr

Legally?
Canada has about a 225k/yr legal quota - it's open and works on a point system.
US has a 140k/yr legal quota plus another category for asylum which adds another 70k/yr. The US system works on categories as well as percentages (no more that 7% of all applicants can be from the same country for via apps, and set numbers of asylum seekers from a set number of countries).

Obviously you took Canada's real numbers, and then used the estimate for the number of undocumented immigrants to the US. This, of course, is apples and oranges.

Yes, I'm pretty certain most of the hockey players are here legally and are you suggesting that 2.8 million US illegals "swarm" into Canada each year?

No - actually I think that was YOU who said that... I was the one who brought up that your statistics were crap. Do try to keep up.

It certainly was not me but rather Dragonlady who claimed Canadian domestic policies are so superior to ours that "lots" of Americans are swarming there. I simply pointed out that for every immigrant Canada absorbs the US gets 9. Do try to keep up.

OK - so following a thread isn't one of your strong points...
So that you can have an easy reference to what YOU said (not Dragonlady), here it is again:

Well, all your best hockey players come here but I wouldn't call the migration in either direction "swarming." So if Canada is so much the better choice, why aren't Americans (and for that matter all the world) beating a path to your door?
Immigration to Canada - 250,000/yr
Immigration to US - 3 mil/yr

Whereupon, I responded that you had fairly represented Canada's immigration numbers, but had grossly inflated the US numbers (which, LEGALLY, is constrained to less than what Canada allows). Since the 3 million number is also an estimate (based on Conservative "data") of the number of people who ILLEGALLY enter the US annually (technically they aren't immigrants in the same sense as you represented Canada), it seemed to me that you were comparing 2 different things.

So you were either mistaken about US immigration policy or simply don't have the data on Canada's illegal entrant estimates, but either way you look at it you were still wrong.