Bernie Sanders : This Grotesque Level of Income and Wealth Inequality is Wrong

[Toddsterpatriot]

Um because capital has grown?

Poor workers are investing their capital to increase their productivity?
Or is someone else investing?

Do you even know what you're trying to say? Absolutely nothing I have said has anything to do with poor people investing more money. Obviously they aren't.

Do you even know what you're trying to say?

Of course.

Absolutely nothing I have said has anything to do with poor people investing more money. Obviously they aren't.

Obviously. Glad we're on the same page.

If a rich business owner invests $1,000,000 on equipment to double a worker's productivity, does that mean the worker should get double the salary?

No it does not. They do need an increase in pay though. Nationwide for decades wages have been flat, cost of living is up, and so is productivity. Don't you think that's a problem?

No it does not.

You feeling okay? You're making sense.

They do need an increase in pay though.

How much?

Nationwide for decades wages have been flat

You need to be a lot more specific than that.

Because wages have been flat all across the board, the government must step in and raise the minimum wage. It should have been raised years ago, but to start it should be at least $12 per hour. When the cost of living is considered, the mimimum wage should be $23 per hour. Obviously that would be too big of a jump. That's why we must start small at 12 and hopefully go up in the coming years.

Because wages have been flat all across the board

Prove it?

When the cost of living is considered, the mimimum wage should be $23 per hour.

Based on what measure? Link?

 

[Billy000]

Ok so he's saying automation is contributing to productivity? No shit. I never said it didn't. That doesn't mean human workers haven't played a substantial role in the increase of productivity. By your logic, low level jobs for humans wouldn't exist at all now would they?

I think you should read it again.

What he is saying is that while job loss went up--production went up. It's evident that the output of goods are due to automation and not man. It's not a contributing factor, it's the main factor.

And yes, as we progress down this road, it's only a matter of time until human labor is no longer needed in manufacturing. I work with manufacturing and I see it all the time.

But it's not just manufacturing. For instance, I went to see my doctor a few months ago. I went to the desk that I always go to to check in. I was stunned to see that nobody was behind the desk and that all the lights were off.

From the waiting room, a woman came by to escort me to their new kiosks. Now you have to check yourself in. The Cleveland Clinic got rid of the humans.

I don't know about you, but my local grocery store is opening up more self-serve checkouts and less cashier lines. They are trying to train their customers to depend on those checkouts to eliminate cashier jobs. Sure, you can still go to the cashier lines, but like self-serve gasoline pumps, it's only a matter of time before they are all self-serve.

You're just making your own interpretation from what that guy is saying. It's not like he was talking about the productivity increase in general. Think about it man. You see human workers involved in every industry. Automation or not, people have contributed to the rise in productivity.

That's exactly what he was talking about. Again:

According to research by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, U.S. manufacturing output increased by 100 percent between 1987 and today.

So if we have less and less jobs, but more manufacturing output, of course it's due to machines and not labor.

This is just something we are going to have to deal with. I don't know how, but we can't stop it. Today, automaton is even cheaper than when this piece was written. Increasing the cost of labor only speeds this process up. That's why forced minimum wage increases is a bad idea.

Okay but you're forgetting that productivity goes beyond just manufacturing. The idea of productivity in the economy is not limited to manufacturing. Burger flipping for example, by definition, is productivity.

Yes it is, but it's also a low paying job. And if it ever gets to be a better paying job, restaurants will invest in automation to replace that burger flipper like McDonald's is doing right now.

The point is that anybody fantasizing about the 70's and big union days are just dreaming. It's never coming back. Monkey jobs have already been replaced by machines and foreign entities.

The sooner we accept that, the sooner we can work on figuring out how people are going to make a living. Yes, humans will always play a part, but as we go down that road, less and less humans will be needed.

Do you even know what you're trying to say? Absolutely nothing I have said has anything to do with poor people investing more money. Obviously they aren't.

Do you even know what you're trying to say?

Of course.

Absolutely nothing I have said has anything to do with poor people investing more money. Obviously they aren't.

Obviously. Glad we're on the same page.

If a rich business owner invests $1,000,000 on equipment to double a worker's productivity, does that mean the worker should get double the salary?

No it does not. They do need an increase in pay though. Nationwide for decades wages have been flat, cost of living is up, and so is productivity. Don't you think that's a problem?

No it does not.

You feeling okay? You're making sense.

They do need an increase in pay though.

How much?

Nationwide for decades wages have been flat

You need to be a lot more specific than that.

Because wages have been flat all across the board, the government must step in and raise the minimum wage. It should have been raised years ago, but to start it should be at least $12 per hour. When the cost of living is considered, the mimimum wage should be $23 per hour. Obviously that would be too big of a jump. That's why we must start small at 12 and hopefully go up in the coming years.

Because wages have been flat all across the board

Prove it?

When the cost of living is considered, the mimimum wage should be $23 per hour.

Based on what measure? Link?

Dude you're so lame as always. You demand links but never provide your own. It's so stupid. I already provided a link for the first claim. I don't even care if you believe the second claim. I know it's true. If you don't, I don't care to provide a link because you never give me the same courtesy. You're a sack of shit.

 

[Wry Catcher]

We have heard the term income inequality a lot over the past few years given that all jobs do not require the same levels of skill and experience and that all people do not have the same level of motivation and determination how would you ever make income equal?

Well, first of all those who shower after work, work harder than those who shower in the morning. Maybe we ought to pay wages based on calories expanded (not serious, but thought provoking I hope)

No one is suggesting that everyone be paid the same wage, or that the very rich pay 90% of their entire income to the federal government.

What Sen. Sanders is saying, what once was fair is no longer fair, and he is correct. That is why so many have been attracted to his message. We have seen our representative democracy slowly crumble and become a plutocracy, a nation run by a power elite who has great wealth or is owned by the very wealthy.

So enlighten us what would be fair that's the major problem with this unfair or inequality issue its easy to point to something and say it's unfair but no one ever tell you what would be fair.

We live in a Republic (Art. IV, Sec 4) and the representatives who make the laws are today beholden to and provide access to those who support them in their election and reelection. Given recent USSC decisions, members of the Senate, the H. of Rep. and state legislatures are now owned by by a power elite.

Jefferson wrote, in a letter to Elbridge Gerry, on Jan. 26, 1799, "Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies", and one of our major parties nominated a guy for potus who believed corporations are people too. How very far we've fallen from the dreams of our founders.

 

[healthmyths]

Do you even know what you're trying to say?

Of course.

Absolutely nothing I have said has anything to do with poor people investing more money. Obviously they aren't.

Obviously. Glad we're on the same page.

If a rich business owner invests $1,000,000 on equipment to double a worker's productivity, does that mean the worker should get double the salary?

No it does not. They do need an increase in pay though. Nationwide for decades wages have been flat, cost of living is up, and so is productivity. Don't you think that's a problem?

No it does not.

You feeling okay? You're making sense.

They do need an increase in pay though.

How much?

Nationwide for decades wages have been flat

You need to be a lot more specific than that.

Because wages have been flat all across the board, the government must step in and raise the minimum wage. It should have been raised years ago, but to start it should be at least $12 per hour. When the cost of living is considered, the mimimum wage should be $23 per hour. Obviously that would be too big of a jump. That's why we must start small at 12 and hopefully go up in the coming years.

MY goodness you guys are so stupid!
How many people work at "minimum wage" should be your first question!
ANSWER!!!
Of the 3.5 million working at minimum wage:
50.6% or 1,797,000 were mostly employed teenagers age 16 to 24 years
Tables 1 - 10; Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers: 2012

NOW how many of those people working at minimum wage under age 24 have NO qualifications except they learn how to get to work often and on time!
That's all they learn and that's the start of their working experience!
BUT you f...king idiots are going to KILL that because YOU don't comprehend the economics!
$15.00 hour makes it NOW more worthwhile to buy robots to replace these young kids!
But you idiots don't use any of the internet to learn. You spout stupidity about "minimum wage" and yet have NO idea that less then 4% of the working force get paid minimum wage!
All you are doing is putting more people out of work!

Minimum-wage offensive could speed arrival of robot-powered restaurants
The industry could be ready for another jolt as a ballot initiative to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour nears in the District and as other campaigns to boost wages gain traction around the country. About 30 percent of the restaurant industry’s costs come from salaries, so burger-flipping robots — or at least super-fast ovens that expedite the process — become that much more cost-competitive if the current federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour is doubled.

Minimum-wage offensive could speed arrival of robot-powered restaurants

You know what I find hilarious about you? You and I have had this conversation over and over but either you forget what I said, or you pretend I've never said it. Which is it?

IF THE FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE WAS RAISED HIGH ENOUGH, AS IN 10-12 PER HOUR, 10s OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WOULD SEE AN INCREASE IN THEIR WAGES BECAUSE OF HOW MANY MAKE LESS THAN THAT WAGE.

Deal with the FACTS.... May 2015 National Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates
Occupation code Occupation Median hourly wage Mean hourly wage Annual mean wage
All Occupations 137,896,660 $17.40 $23.23 $48,320

Now the LOWEST LOWEST hourly wage is the Food Preparation and Serving Workers of which there are 3,216,460 is $9.09!
THAT's the LOWEST which is HIGHER then the MINIMUM WAGE already by 25%!
Now the largest group of the 137,896,660 employed people are:
Office/Administrative/Support or 21,846,420 and average hourly wage is $17.47... AGAIN almost 200% higher then the $7.25 minimum wage.

THE FACT is raising the minimum wage to $15 would affect millions for sure.
It would increase UNEMPLOYMENT and here it is MY guess no facts but an opinion:
There are now 137,896,660 people working. 53,229,120 make less then $15.00 now of
which NONE make $7.25 minimum wage!
But my guess is that raising 53 million that make less then $15 will put
easily 20% out of work. Food preparation and delivery account for 3,217,780
jobs. The known costs in restaurants is 30% wages/salaries.
More and more restaurants to stay competitive will let easily half of the above
go!
Why with continued interest in driverless vehicles BUS drivers of which there are 505,560 that make $14.01/hour WILL be replaced! Don't need to raise their pay... just let them go!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I think you should read it again.

What he is saying is that while job loss went up--production went up. It's evident that the output of goods are due to automation and not man. It's not a contributing factor, it's the main factor.

And yes, as we progress down this road, it's only a matter of time until human labor is no longer needed in manufacturing. I work with manufacturing and I see it all the time.

But it's not just manufacturing. For instance, I went to see my doctor a few months ago. I went to the desk that I always go to to check in. I was stunned to see that nobody was behind the desk and that all the lights were off.

From the waiting room, a woman came by to escort me to their new kiosks. Now you have to check yourself in. The Cleveland Clinic got rid of the humans.

I don't know about you, but my local grocery store is opening up more self-serve checkouts and less cashier lines. They are trying to train their customers to depend on those checkouts to eliminate cashier jobs. Sure, you can still go to the cashier lines, but like self-serve gasoline pumps, it's only a matter of time before they are all self-serve.

You're just making your own interpretation from what that guy is saying. It's not like he was talking about the productivity increase in general. Think about it man. You see human workers involved in every industry. Automation or not, people have contributed to the rise in productivity.

That's exactly what he was talking about. Again:

According to research by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, U.S. manufacturing output increased by 100 percent between 1987 and today.

So if we have less and less jobs, but more manufacturing output, of course it's due to machines and not labor.

This is just something we are going to have to deal with. I don't know how, but we can't stop it. Today, automaton is even cheaper than when this piece was written. Increasing the cost of labor only speeds this process up. That's why forced minimum wage increases is a bad idea.

Okay but you're forgetting that productivity goes beyond just manufacturing. The idea of productivity in the economy is not limited to manufacturing. Burger flipping for example, by definition, is productivity.

Yes it is, but it's also a low paying job. And if it ever gets to be a better paying job, restaurants will invest in automation to replace that burger flipper like McDonald's is doing right now.

The point is that anybody fantasizing about the 70's and big union days are just dreaming. It's never coming back. Monkey jobs have already been replaced by machines and foreign entities.

The sooner we accept that, the sooner we can work on figuring out how people are going to make a living. Yes, humans will always play a part, but as we go down that road, less and less humans will be needed.

Do you even know what you're trying to say?

Of course.

Absolutely nothing I have said has anything to do with poor people investing more money. Obviously they aren't.

Obviously. Glad we're on the same page.

If a rich business owner invests $1,000,000 on equipment to double a worker's productivity, does that mean the worker should get double the salary?

No it does not. They do need an increase in pay though. Nationwide for decades wages have been flat, cost of living is up, and so is productivity. Don't you think that's a problem?

No it does not.

You feeling okay? You're making sense.

They do need an increase in pay though.

How much?

Nationwide for decades wages have been flat

You need to be a lot more specific than that.

Because wages have been flat all across the board, the government must step in and raise the minimum wage. It should have been raised years ago, but to start it should be at least $12 per hour. When the cost of living is considered, the mimimum wage should be $23 per hour. Obviously that would be too big of a jump. That's why we must start small at 12 and hopefully go up in the coming years.

Because wages have been flat all across the board

Prove it?

When the cost of living is considered, the mimimum wage should be $23 per hour.

Based on what measure? Link?

Dude you're so lame as always. You demand links but never provide your own. It's so stupid. I already provided a link for the first claim. I don't even care if you believe the second claim. I know it's true. If you don't, I don't care to provide a link because you never give me the same courtesy. You're a sack of shit.

You demand links but never provide your own.

Why would I provide a link? I'm not making claims, just asking you to prove your claims.

I don't even care if you believe the second claim. I know it's true.

You know plenty of things that are untrue.
Your inability to provide a link is further proof.

 

[healthmyths]

No it does not. They do need an increase in pay though. Nationwide for decades wages have been flat, cost of living is up, and so is productivity. Don't you think that's a problem?

No it does not.

You feeling okay? You're making sense.

They do need an increase in pay though.

How much?

Nationwide for decades wages have been flat

You need to be a lot more specific than that.

Because wages have been flat all across the board, the government must step in and raise the minimum wage. It should have been raised years ago, but to start it should be at least $12 per hour. When the cost of living is considered, the mimimum wage should be $23 per hour. Obviously that would be too big of a jump. That's why we must start small at 12 and hopefully go up in the coming years.

MY goodness you guys are so stupid!
How many people work at "minimum wage" should be your first question!
ANSWER!!!
Of the 3.5 million working at minimum wage:
50.6% or 1,797,000 were mostly employed teenagers age 16 to 24 years
Tables 1 - 10; Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers: 2012

NOW how many of those people working at minimum wage under age 24 have NO qualifications except they learn how to get to work often and on time!
That's all they learn and that's the start of their working experience!
BUT you f...king idiots are going to KILL that because YOU don't comprehend the economics!
$15.00 hour makes it NOW more worthwhile to buy robots to replace these young kids!
But you idiots don't use any of the internet to learn. You spout stupidity about "minimum wage" and yet have NO idea that less then 4% of the working force get paid minimum wage!
All you are doing is putting more people out of work!

Minimum-wage offensive could speed arrival of robot-powered restaurants
The industry could be ready for another jolt as a ballot initiative to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour nears in the District and as other campaigns to boost wages gain traction around the country. About 30 percent of the restaurant industry’s costs come from salaries, so burger-flipping robots — or at least super-fast ovens that expedite the process — become that much more cost-competitive if the current federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour is doubled.

Minimum-wage offensive could speed arrival of robot-powered restaurants

You know what I find hilarious about you? You and I have had this conversation over and over but either you forget what I said, or you pretend I've never said it. Which is it?

IF THE FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE WAS RAISED HIGH ENOUGH, AS IN 10-12 PER HOUR, 10s OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WOULD SEE AN INCREASE IN THEIR WAGES BECAUSE OF HOW MANY MAKE LESS THAN THAT WAGE.

Deal with the FACTS.... May 2015 National Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates
Occupation code Occupation Median hourly wage Mean hourly wage Annual mean wage
All Occupations 137,896,660 $17.40 $23.23 $48,320

Now the LOWEST LOWEST hourly wage is the Food Preparation and Serving Workers of which there are 3,216,460 is $9.09!
THAT's the LOWEST which is HIGHER then the MINIMUM WAGE already by 25%!
Now the largest group of the 137,896,660 employed people are:
Office/Administrative/Support or 21,846,420 and average hourly wage is $17.47... AGAIN almost 200% higher then the $7.25 minimum wage.

THE FACT is raising the minimum wage to $15 would affect millions for sure.
It would increase UNEMPLOYMENT and here it is MY guess no facts but an opinion:
There are now 137,896,660 people working. 53,229,120 make less then $15.00 now of
which NONE make $7.25 minimum wage!
But my guess is that raising 53 million that make less then $15 will put
easily 20% out of work. Food preparation and delivery account for 3,217,780
jobs. The known costs in restaurants is 30% wages/salaries.
More and more restaurants to stay competitive will let easily half of the above
go!
Why with continued interest in driverless vehicles BUS drivers of which there are 505,560 that make $14.01/hour WILL be replaced! Don't need to raise their pay... just let them go!

At a high-tech new KFC restuarant in Shanghai, customers can order food via a voice-activated robot named “Dumi”.

And the automaton is even sophisticated enough to handle order changes as well as substitutions –
but sadly it can’t quite manage the English language yet.
KFC opens futuristic restaurant run by ROBOTS called Dumi in Shanghai

 

[Slade3200]

In most cases you make what you deserve… Of course, lazy people Think differently.

Progressives and their entitlement society of political correctness Are under the illusion of "they are owed something"… LOL

Entitlements are a sliver of the expenses... It amazes me how much weight y'all Put on them to the status of our economy

Are you stupid in the head?
Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security and welfare dominate the spending of this country… All being socialist entitlement programs. Dumbass
LOL

Really? Where does Military sit in that line? and i'm the dumbass??

 

[Slade3200]

Enlighten me.

Wealth distribution is a tremendous problem, I'd put it in the top 3. I don't agree with all of bernies ideas but he hits the nail on the head with this one and our corrupt campaign system. Those two he is right on, you should open your mind to what he is saying.

If there is wealth redistribution, wouldn't somebody or some people have to be in charge of that? And if so, who are these people?

Taxation is wealth redistribution... The fuckers over at the IRS handle it. You know this so why are you asking?

Because I wanted to see you give the wrong answer.

The person in charge of wealth redistribution is you.......not just you, me too.....everybody here.

Sometime this week, you are willingly going to transfer your wealth to the top. You are going to buy that Microsoft program you desired, or you will buy one of their video games for your X-box. Have cable television? Whoops, there goes more of your hard earned money to the top. How about that smart phone of yours? That's right, more of your money to the top. Speaking of cell phones, how much of your money to you pay to the top for the service you are getting?

If you want to see wealth transfers stopped, then stop buying things. Don't buy gas anymore because those oil companies are billionaires. Hungry, wait until you get home. McDonald's is a multi-billion dollar corporation you know. And what are you doing on this internet? If you want to stop your money from going to the top, turn this thing off right now and cancel your internet service.

When I was a kid growing up back in the 70's, our entertainment was outside. In the winter, inside with a 25" color television set with rabbit ears. Only one car was in the family--Dad's. If you got sick of television, there were always books to read or a radio to listen to. That's all we spent our money on.

That's one approach... Have everybody stop buying shit, shouldn't be too hard... Or we can work to make a better system by increasing our economic understanding and focusing on creating more oppotunity for our youth, poor and middle class... You rally people on your idea and I'll promote mine and we will see who makes more progress

Probably I would because at least people would have a basic understanding on how the rich get their money; the rich get their money from us--the little people.

Of course we just don't give it to them. They trade their products and services for our money.

Now if you think we should demand our money back, don't you think it's fair we return their products to them?

The system is much bigger than one person deciding to buy or not buy their goods from Walmart vs. the local mom and pop shops. And you are not going to get a nationwide boycott on consumable goods. Consumers are generally going to buy from the vender that offers the best prices... when we have a system that makes it practically impossible for the mom and pops to compete with the pricing of the giants it creates an imbalance. On one hand the competition pushes innovation and creativity, leaving room for niche products and boutique markets however, the mainstream product market is pretty much untouchable.

 

[Slade3200]

Pretty illuminating. Income inequality based on hard work and risk taking should actually be celebrated. Income inequality due to corrupt people using their money and influence to create an extremely uneven playing field is something we should all join together to fight. Bernie is absolutely correct on that point.

So what could Bernie or anybody else do to stop it?

Thats the million dollar question... before we dive into it let me ask. Is it something that you think needs to be fixed?

 

[Rustic]

In most cases you make what you deserve… Of course, lazy people Think differently.

Progressives and their entitlement society of political correctness Are under the illusion of "they are owed something"… LOL

Entitlements are a sliver of the expenses... It amazes me how much weight y'all Put on them to the status of our economy

Are you stupid in the head?
Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security and welfare dominate the spending of this country… All being socialist entitlement programs. Dumbass
LOL

Really? Where does Military sit in that line? and i'm the dumbass??

Here ya go dipshit...

 

[Slade3200]

In most cases you make what you deserve… Of course, lazy people Think differently.

Progressives and their entitlement society of political correctness Are under the illusion of "they are owed something"… LOL

Entitlements are a sliver of the expenses... It amazes me how much weight y'all Put on them to the status of our economy

Are you stupid in the head?
Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security and welfare dominate the spending of this country… All being socialist entitlement programs. Dumbass
LOL

Really? Where does Military sit in that line? and i'm the dumbass??

Here ya go dipshit...

Nice try... How about you show the complete picture. I was referring to Discretionary spending which is what our congress actually controls and budgets on an annual basis. Your chart includes mandatory spending which are earned benefits that we buy into like social security and medicare etc. I do agree that these programs can use reform and better management planning but that is a different discussion.

Federal Spending: Where Does the Money Go

 

[Rustic]

In most cases you make what you deserve… Of course, lazy people Think differently.

Progressives and their entitlement society of political correctness Are under the illusion of "they are owed something"… LOL

Entitlements are a sliver of the expenses... It amazes me how much weight y'all Put on them to the status of our economy

Are you stupid in the head?
Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security and welfare dominate the spending of this country… All being socialist entitlement programs. Dumbass
LOL

Really? Where does Military sit in that line? and i'm the dumbass??

Here ya go dipshit...

Nice try... How about you show the complete picture. I was referring to Discretionary spending which is what our congress actually controls and budgets on an annual basis. Your chart includes mandatory spending which are earned benefits that we buy into like social security and medicare etc. I do agree that these programs can use reform and better management planning but that is a different discussion.
View attachment 73977
Federal Spending: Where Does the Money Go

The fact remains - social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and welfare are all socialist entitlement programs and they dominate the foolish spending of the federal government… LOL

 

[Slade3200]

Entitlements are a sliver of the expenses... It amazes me how much weight y'all Put on them to the status of our economy

Are you stupid in the head?
Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security and welfare dominate the spending of this country… All being socialist entitlement programs. Dumbass
LOL

Really? Where does Military sit in that line? and i'm the dumbass??

Here ya go dipshit...

Nice try... How about you show the complete picture. I was referring to Discretionary spending which is what our congress actually controls and budgets on an annual basis. Your chart includes mandatory spending which are earned benefits that we buy into like social security and medicare etc. I do agree that these programs can use reform and better management planning but that is a different discussion.
View attachment 73977
Federal Spending: Where Does the Money Go

The fact remains - social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and welfare are all socialist entitlement programs and they dominate the foolish spending of the federal government… LOL

Thats very debatable... Scrap all of those programs and you have a whole other heap of problems to deal with that effect our sick, disabled, retiree's and elderly. Most would argue that cutting those programs would have disastrous effects on our nation... Have you really considered the real effects of what you propose or are you hung up on the whole anti "socialism, entitlement, progressive" thing?

 

[Rustic]

Are you stupid in the head?
Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security and welfare dominate the spending of this country… All being socialist entitlement programs. Dumbass
LOL

Really? Where does Military sit in that line? and i'm the dumbass??

Here ya go dipshit...

Nice try... How about you show the complete picture. I was referring to Discretionary spending which is what our congress actually controls and budgets on an annual basis. Your chart includes mandatory spending which are earned benefits that we buy into like social security and medicare etc. I do agree that these programs can use reform and better management planning but that is a different discussion.
View attachment 73977
Federal Spending: Where Does the Money Go

The fact remains - social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and welfare are all socialist entitlement programs and they dominate the foolish spending of the federal government… LOL

Thats very debatable... Scrap all of those programs and you have a whole other heap of problems to deal with that effect our sick, disabled, retiree's and elderly. Most would argue that cutting those programs would have disastrous effects on our nation... Have you really considered the real effects of what you propose or are you hung up on the whole anti "socialism, entitlement, progressive" thing?

It should be a choice to be involved in such programs, any type of mandate is legalized extortion.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Pretty illuminating. Income inequality based on hard work and risk taking should actually be celebrated. Income inequality due to corrupt people using their money and influence to create an extremely uneven playing field is something we should all join together to fight. Bernie is absolutely correct on that point.

So what could Bernie or anybody else do to stop it?

Thats the million dollar question... before we dive into it let me ask. Is it something that you think needs to be fixed?

Not at all. What needs to be fixed?

You go out, earn money, and if you don't make enough money, adjust your priorities.

Crying over how much more somebody else has is like crying because a guy has a better car than you, or he is better looking and gets better looking women. It doesn't do you any good.

Changing my own situation is what I would need to concentrate on--not changing somebody else's situation that won't benefit me at all.

 

[Slade3200]

Really? Where does Military sit in that line? and i'm the dumbass??

Here ya go dipshit...

Nice try... How about you show the complete picture. I was referring to Discretionary spending which is what our congress actually controls and budgets on an annual basis. Your chart includes mandatory spending which are earned benefits that we buy into like social security and medicare etc. I do agree that these programs can use reform and better management planning but that is a different discussion.
View attachment 73977
Federal Spending: Where Does the Money Go

The fact remains - social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and welfare are all socialist entitlement programs and they dominate the foolish spending of the federal government… LOL

Thats very debatable... Scrap all of those programs and you have a whole other heap of problems to deal with that effect our sick, disabled, retiree's and elderly. Most would argue that cutting those programs would have disastrous effects on our nation... Have you really considered the real effects of what you propose or are you hung up on the whole anti "socialism, entitlement, progressive" thing?

It should be a choice to be involved in such programs, any type of mandate is legalized extortion.

You miss the entire point... There are costs associated with treatment for people who do not decide to buy in, so unless you want to live in a society were we let our elderly die on the street or not seek treatment for illnesses or make them work till they die, we need programs like this...

 

[Slade3200]

Pretty illuminating. Income inequality based on hard work and risk taking should actually be celebrated. Income inequality due to corrupt people using their money and influence to create an extremely uneven playing field is something we should all join together to fight. Bernie is absolutely correct on that point.

So what could Bernie or anybody else do to stop it?

Thats the million dollar question... before we dive into it let me ask. Is it something that you think needs to be fixed?

Not at all. What needs to be fixed?

You go out, earn money, and if you don't make enough money, adjust your priorities.

Crying over how much more somebody else has is like crying because a guy has a better car than you, or he is better looking and gets better looking women. It doesn't do you any good.

Changing my own situation is what I would need to concentrate on--not changing somebody else's situation that won't benefit me at all.

Thats fine man, we've had this discussion many times before and you are not shy about your very selfish and self serving point of view. You are entitled to it, look out for number 1, good for you. I live with principles of compassion and believe that whats good for the community makes all of our lives better. I'm entitled to that position. Fortunately for me, more people share my perspective which is why our society and government has evolved like it has.

 

[jc456]

It is wrong.

when i was a kid, a family could have two cars and their own home on one unskilled worker's wage.

Yeah, but those days are long gone and nothing or nobody is going to change that.

All Sanders could do (if he stood a chance in hell at being President) would be to tax the rich people. That would only make government richer and the poor and middle-class would stay the same.

^^^^^this^^^^^ ding ding ding ding.


It's what has been happening. it is our current situation. And he wants to double down. wow.

 

[The Great Goose]

It is wrong.

when i was a kid, a family could have two cars and their own home on one unskilled worker's wage.

Bull.

So you are going tosit there, with a straight face, and deny that money loses value over time. And tell me that all the women in my childhood werent stay at home mums?

You idiot.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It is wrong.

when i was a kid, a family could have two cars and their own home on one unskilled worker's wage.

Bull.

So you are going tosit there, with a straight face, and deny that money loses value over time. And tell me that all the women in my childhood werent stay at home mums?

You idiot.

I'm going to tell you that unskilled workers never bought a home and two cars and supported a wife and kids.

That has nothing to do with inflation eroding the value of money. You moron.