Bernie's Socialist Utopias Would Rank Among the Poorest of U.S. States

[LordBrownTrout]

They're always pining and yearning for the scandanavian states. Of course its no utopia over there. Libs love to romanticize about trains, controlling people, herding the masses, indefinite fondling about far away socialist utopias etc.

We have Vermont. Low unemployment, high liberalism.

Lol. It helps out when only 600k live there.

94% white.......

Good point. I wonder if we could run a causation/correlation to other lovely lib meccas such as detroit and chicago where murder is rampant and unemployment is off the charts.

Or San Francisco and San Jose, 2 of the meckier lib meccas and two of the richest cities in the US.

Are you thinking what Im thinking?

 

[NYcarbineer]

We always hear the left gloat about how wonderful Europeans have it with all of their nanny state welfare programs, but the fact of the matter is the average American enjoys a higher standard of living than the average European.

Mark Perry of the American Enterprise Institute has put together some apples-to-apples data suggesting the answer is no. At least if the goal is more economic output and higher living standards.

Most European countries (including Germany, Sweden, Denmark and Belgium) if they joined the US, would rank among the poorest one-third of US states on a per-capita GDP basis, and the UK, France, Japan and New Zealand would all rank among America’s very poorest states, below No. 47 West Virginia, and not too far above No. 50 Mississippi. Countries like Italy, S. Korea, Spain, Portugal and Greece would each rank below Mississippi as the poorest states in the country.

And here’s the table Mark prepared.

Most of Europe Is a Lot Poorer than Most of the United States | Daniel J. Mitchell

They're always pining and yearning for the scandanavian states. Of course its no utopia over there. Libs love to romanticize about trains, controlling people, herding the masses, indefinite fondling about far away socialist utopias etc.

We have Vermont. Low unemployment, high liberalism.

Lol. It helps out when only 600k live there.

Funny you didn't bitch about North Dakota, Alaska, and Wyoming being at the top of the list.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Gee, I wonder why they left Norway off that list?

Norway would be number 8, based on 2014 numbers here.....

GDP per capita, PPP (current international $) | Data | Table

They didn't leave North Dakota off the top. The list is bogus.

How is it bogus?

By leaving off Norway.

Google

Norway is also considered the most socialistic country in Europe.

Kind of messes up the argument.

You're right, a socialist country that exploits Mother Earth by extracting huge amounts of evil hydrocarbons that will kill the planet, has a higher GDP than the socialist countries that rank around the level of New Mexico.
New Mexico is a shithole.

I'm just proving that the 'socialism' factor in the OP doesn't serve as a reliable indicator.

Socialism didn't help those non-oil countries create a higher GDP than Oklahoma......

Does Germany have more oil in the ground than Oklahoma?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We always hear the left gloat about how wonderful Europeans have it with all of their nanny state welfare programs, but the fact of the matter is the average American enjoys a higher standard of living than the average European.

Mark Perry of the American Enterprise Institute has put together some apples-to-apples data suggesting the answer is no. At least if the goal is more economic output and higher living standards.

Most European countries (including Germany, Sweden, Denmark and Belgium) if they joined the US, would rank among the poorest one-third of US states on a per-capita GDP basis, and the UK, France, Japan and New Zealand would all rank among America’s very poorest states, below No. 47 West Virginia, and not too far above No. 50 Mississippi. Countries like Italy, S. Korea, Spain, Portugal and Greece would each rank below Mississippi as the poorest states in the country.

And here’s the table Mark prepared.

Most of Europe Is a Lot Poorer than Most of the United States | Daniel J. Mitchell

They're always pining and yearning for the scandanavian states. Of course its no utopia over there. Libs love to romanticize about trains, controlling people, herding the masses, indefinite fondling about far away socialist utopias etc.

We have Vermont. Low unemployment, high liberalism.

Lol. It helps out when only 600k live there.

Funny you didn't bitch about North Dakota, Alaska, and Wyoming being at the top of the list.

It's weird, all the top numbers are all based on fossil fuels.
I guess when you create a useful, in demand product, you benefit.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Obsessing over money is very telling.

Maybe a money obsessed society that despises the poor might ponder a possible link with a shocking murder rate ?

ME ME ME might produce a higher income but the inherent selfishness devalues society and individual lives.

In my observation.

 

[Agit8r]

We have Vermont. Low unemployment, high liberalism.[/QUOTE]


Lol. It helps out when only 600k live there.[/QUOTE]

94% white.......[/QUOTE]


Good point. I wonder if we could run a causation/correlation to other lovely lib meccas such as detroit and chicago where murder is rampant and unemployment is off the charts.[/QUOTE]

Gee, I hate to rain on y'all's Klan rally, but:

 

[LordBrownTrout]

We always hear the left gloat about how wonderful Europeans have it with all of their nanny state welfare programs, but the fact of the matter is the average American enjoys a higher standard of living than the average European.

Mark Perry of the American Enterprise Institute has put together some apples-to-apples data suggesting the answer is no. At least if the goal is more economic output and higher living standards.

Most European countries (including Germany, Sweden, Denmark and Belgium) if they joined the US, would rank among the poorest one-third of US states on a per-capita GDP basis, and the UK, France, Japan and New Zealand would all rank among America’s very poorest states, below No. 47 West Virginia, and not too far above No. 50 Mississippi. Countries like Italy, S. Korea, Spain, Portugal and Greece would each rank below Mississippi as the poorest states in the country.

And here’s the table Mark prepared.

Most of Europe Is a Lot Poorer than Most of the United States | Daniel J. Mitchell

They're always pining and yearning for the scandanavian states. Of course its no utopia over there. Libs love to romanticize about trains, controlling people, herding the masses, indefinite fondling about far away socialist utopias etc.

We have Vermont. Low unemployment, high liberalism.

Lol. It helps out when only 600k live there.

Funny you didn't bitch about North Dakota, Alaska, and Wyoming being at the top of the list.

I was initially talking about scandanavian states.

 

[Nyvin]

GDP Per Capita isn't very useful for telling how well off the citizens are, it weighs too heavily on where big corporations invest money, which doesn't always translate to people being better off.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Norway would be number 8, based on 2014 numbers here.....

GDP per capita, PPP (current international $) | Data | Table

How is it bogus?

By leaving off Norway.

Google

Norway is also considered the most socialistic country in Europe.

Kind of messes up the argument.

You're right, a socialist country that exploits Mother Earth by extracting huge amounts of evil hydrocarbons that will kill the planet, has a higher GDP than the socialist countries that rank around the level of New Mexico.
New Mexico is a shithole.

I'm just proving that the 'socialism' factor in the OP doesn't serve as a reliable indicator.

Socialism didn't help those non-oil countries create a higher GDP than Oklahoma......

Does Germany have more oil in the ground than Oklahoma?

From numbers I've seen, Germany produces less than half the daily oil output of Oklahoma.
With about 4 million people versus about 80 million Germans.

 

[Agit8r]

We always hear the left gloat about how wonderful Europeans have it with all of their nanny state welfare programs, but the fact of the matter is the average American enjoys a higher standard of living than the average European.

Mark Perry of the American Enterprise Institute has put together some apples-to-apples data suggesting the answer is no. At least if the goal is more economic output and higher living standards.

Most European countries (including Germany, Sweden, Denmark and Belgium) if they joined the US, would rank among the poorest one-third of US states on a per-capita GDP basis, and the UK, France, Japan and New Zealand would all rank among America’s very poorest states, below No. 47 West Virginia, and not too far above No. 50 Mississippi. Countries like Italy, S. Korea, Spain, Portugal and Greece would each rank below Mississippi as the poorest states in the country.

And here’s the table Mark prepared.

Most of Europe Is a Lot Poorer than Most of the United States | Daniel J. Mitchell

That data might be useful for some things, but it doesn't mean much on main street.

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Median isn't average, but thanks.

No sh*t Sherlock. Average includes all the Billlionaires' money, and averages it out. Median gives a more realistic measure of what the everyday citizen has.

mean vs. median vs. average on Vocabulary.com

 

[LordBrownTrout]

We have Vermont. Low unemployment, high liberalism.

Lol. It helps out when only 600k live there.[/QUOTE]

94% white.......[/QUOTE]


Good point. I wonder if we could run a causation/correlation to other lovely lib meccas such as detroit and chicago where murder is rampant and unemployment is off the charts.[/QUOTE]

Gee, I hate to rain on y'all's Klan rally, but:

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Carb and I aint klan.

 

[Agit8r]

We have Vermont. Low unemployment, high liberalism.

Lol. It helps out when only 600k live there.

94% white.......

Good point. I wonder if we could run a causation/correlation to other lovely lib meccas such as detroit and chicago where murder is rampant and unemployment is off the charts.[/QUOTE]

Gee, I hate to rain on y'all's Klan rally, but:

View attachment 69850[/QUOTE]


Carb and I aint klan.[/QUOTE]

Not being literal. Just pointing out that the racist analysis is incorrect.

P.S. sorry I broke the HTML

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We always hear the left gloat about how wonderful Europeans have it with all of their nanny state welfare programs, but the fact of the matter is the average American enjoys a higher standard of living than the average European.

Mark Perry of the American Enterprise Institute has put together some apples-to-apples data suggesting the answer is no. At least if the goal is more economic output and higher living standards.

Most European countries (including Germany, Sweden, Denmark and Belgium) if they joined the US, would rank among the poorest one-third of US states on a per-capita GDP basis, and the UK, France, Japan and New Zealand would all rank among America’s very poorest states, below No. 47 West Virginia, and not too far above No. 50 Mississippi. Countries like Italy, S. Korea, Spain, Portugal and Greece would each rank below Mississippi as the poorest states in the country.

And here’s the table Mark prepared.

Most of Europe Is a Lot Poorer than Most of the United States | Daniel J. Mitchell

That data might be useful for some things, but it doesn't mean much on main street.

View attachment 69847

Median isn't average, but thanks.

No sh*t Sherlock. Average includes all the Billlionaires' money, and averages it out. Median gives a more realistic measure of what the everyday citizen has.

mean vs. median vs. average on Vocabulary.com

Average includes all the Billlionaires' money, and averages it out.

Yes.

Median gives a more realistic measure of what the everyday citizen has.

No it doesn't. The median number in the US from your source was $43,585.
Everyone above that number could double their income and the median number would remain unchanged.
Not so useful then, is it?

 

[Agit8r]

We always hear the left gloat about how wonderful Europeans have it with all of their nanny state welfare programs, but the fact of the matter is the average American enjoys a higher standard of living than the average European.

Mark Perry of the American Enterprise Institute has put together some apples-to-apples data suggesting the answer is no. At least if the goal is more economic output and higher living standards.

Most European countries (including Germany, Sweden, Denmark and Belgium) if they joined the US, would rank among the poorest one-third of US states on a per-capita GDP basis, and the UK, France, Japan and New Zealand would all rank among America’s very poorest states, below No. 47 West Virginia, and not too far above No. 50 Mississippi. Countries like Italy, S. Korea, Spain, Portugal and Greece would each rank below Mississippi as the poorest states in the country.

And here’s the table Mark prepared.

Most of Europe Is a Lot Poorer than Most of the United States | Daniel J. Mitchell

That data might be useful for some things, but it doesn't mean much on main street.

View attachment 69847

Median isn't average, but thanks.

No sh*t Sherlock. Average includes all the Billlionaires' money, and averages it out. Median gives a more realistic measure of what the everyday citizen has.

mean vs. median vs. average on Vocabulary.com

Average includes all the Billlionaires' money, and averages it out.

Yes.

Median gives a more realistic measure of what the everyday citizen has.

No it doesn't. The median number in the US from your source was $43,585.
Everyone above that number could double their income and the median number would remain unchanged.
Not so useful then, is it?

Theoretically perhaps. But we know that that isn't the case, now don't we

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We always hear the left gloat about how wonderful Europeans have it with all of their nanny state welfare programs, but the fact of the matter is the average American enjoys a higher standard of living than the average European.

Mark Perry of the American Enterprise Institute has put together some apples-to-apples data suggesting the answer is no. At least if the goal is more economic output and higher living standards.

Most European countries (including Germany, Sweden, Denmark and Belgium) if they joined the US, would rank among the poorest one-third of US states on a per-capita GDP basis, and the UK, France, Japan and New Zealand would all rank among America’s very poorest states, below No. 47 West Virginia, and not too far above No. 50 Mississippi. Countries like Italy, S. Korea, Spain, Portugal and Greece would each rank below Mississippi as the poorest states in the country.

And here’s the table Mark prepared.

Most of Europe Is a Lot Poorer than Most of the United States | Daniel J. Mitchell

That data might be useful for some things, but it doesn't mean much on main street.

View attachment 69847

Median isn't average, but thanks.

No sh*t Sherlock. Average includes all the Billlionaires' money, and averages it out. Median gives a more realistic measure of what the everyday citizen has.

mean vs. median vs. average on Vocabulary.com

Average includes all the Billlionaires' money, and averages it out.

Yes.

Median gives a more realistic measure of what the everyday citizen has.

No it doesn't. The median number in the US from your source was $43,585.
Everyone above that number could double their income and the median number would remain unchanged.
Not so useful then, is it?

Theoretically perhaps. But we know that that isn't the case, now don't we

We know that since Obama took office, median income is nearly unchanged, while real GDP has grown about $2 trillion, nearly 14% .

 

[Agit8r]

That data might be useful for some things, but it doesn't mean much on main street.

View attachment 69847

Median isn't average, but thanks.

No sh*t Sherlock. Average includes all the Billlionaires' money, and averages it out. Median gives a more realistic measure of what the everyday citizen has.

mean vs. median vs. average on Vocabulary.com

Average includes all the Billlionaires' money, and averages it out.

Yes.

Median gives a more realistic measure of what the everyday citizen has.

No it doesn't. The median number in the US from your source was $43,585.
Everyone above that number could double their income and the median number would remain unchanged.
Not so useful then, is it?

Theoretically perhaps. But we know that that isn't the case, now don't we

We know that since Obama took office, median income is nearly unchanged, while real GDP has grown about $2 trillion, nearly 14% .

And you can see why a lot of Democrats want to move away from neoliberalism.

 

[Pop23]

We always hear the left gloat about how wonderful Europeans have it with all of their nanny state welfare programs, but the fact of the matter is the average American enjoys a higher standard of living than the average European.

Mark Perry of the American Enterprise Institute has put together some apples-to-apples data suggesting the answer is no. At least if the goal is more economic output and higher living standards.

Most European countries (including Germany, Sweden, Denmark and Belgium) if they joined the US, would rank among the poorest one-third of US states on a per-capita GDP basis, and the UK, France, Japan and New Zealand would all rank among America’s very poorest states, below No. 47 West Virginia, and not too far above No. 50 Mississippi. Countries like Italy, S. Korea, Spain, Portugal and Greece would each rank below Mississippi as the poorest states in the country.

And here’s the table Mark prepared.

Most of Europe Is a Lot Poorer than Most of the United States | Daniel J. Mitchell

They're always pining and yearning for the scandanavian states. Of course its no utopia over there. Libs love to romanticize about trains, controlling people, herding the masses, indefinite fondling about far away socialist utopias etc.

We have Vermont. Low unemployment, high liberalism.

Vermont is 34 on the list

Good job

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Median isn't average, but thanks.

No sh*t Sherlock. Average includes all the Billlionaires' money, and averages it out. Median gives a more realistic measure of what the everyday citizen has.

mean vs. median vs. average on Vocabulary.com

Average includes all the Billlionaires' money, and averages it out.

Yes.

Median gives a more realistic measure of what the everyday citizen has.

No it doesn't. The median number in the US from your source was $43,585.
Everyone above that number could double their income and the median number would remain unchanged.
Not so useful then, is it?

Theoretically perhaps. But we know that that isn't the case, now don't we

We know that since Obama took office, median income is nearly unchanged, while real GDP has grown about $2 trillion, nearly 14% .

And you can see why a lot of Democrats want to move away from neoliberalism.

And you can see why a lot of Democrats want to move away from neoliberalism.

Neoliberalism? What's that?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

That data might be useful for some things, but it doesn't mean much on main street.

View attachment 69847

And what is the cost of living in those countries compared to the United States?

 

[Agit8r]

That data might be useful for some things, but it doesn't mean much on main street.

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And what is the cost of living in those countries compared to the United States?

Probably pay more for food, and less for healthcare.