Birther Sheriff Declares Canadian Born Ted Cruz Ineligible For White House

[Syriusly]

Conservatives are generally deficient in showmanship and flair. Style and FLASH!

Conservatives aren't usually good entertainers or actors. The few who can do it worth a damn are usually assured a job in Hollywood if they look half way decent and are strighter, truer and more adult than most others a Conservative can enjoy employment in film or tv I'd guess, because they are in such, relatively, short supply.

I'd also say that conservatives aren't terribly innovative either. Nor are they adaptive to needs that arise. I'd even go so far as to say that many conservatives are more idealistic than their liberal counter parts. I've seen conservatives look right at negative consequences and shrug them off....because the resolution of those consequences would be in conflict with their ideals.

Where liberals have tended to be more pragmatic, adaptable and innovative in their approaches. New, however, doesn't necessarily mean better.

Yet more insanity from the forum jester

Of course the state of Hawaii released Obama's long form birth certificate ... of particular interest, you'll note the verifiable certification at the bottom by Dr. Onaka, Hawaii's state registrar...

You are a silly man.

Silly.

Why does anyone even bother to respond to Mojo?

he is just trolling.

You obviously need some instruction.

You are just trolling.

Let's see if you even know what the word, "trolling" means.

Define it in your own words, please.

The posts that Mojo makes.....

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Who?

What country was Cruz a citizen of when he was born? Yeah, US. Next.
I guess this means Cruz is gaining traction in the polls so it's time for the brain dead here to make up shit.

Cruz was a citizen of both the United States and Canada when he was born- and possibly Cuba also.

However, the only one of those that matters is that he was born a citizen of the United States and is therefore a Natural born citizen.

Citizen and natural born-Citizen are not the same.

true. You can either be a natural born citizen or you can be a naturalized citizen. Since Cruz was never naturalized but holds US citizenship he is a natural born citizen.

How many presidents do you know of that have held a foreign birth certificate post grandfather clause?

If John McCain had been elected it would be 1.

How many presidents do you know of that were female?

As relevant as your question.

There are two kinds of American citizens- Natural Born and Naturalized. To be naturalized requires an application and a process- Cruz is a citizen, and was never naturalized- hence he is natural born and eligible.

Wrong. He is not a Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen. He is rather a statutory Citizen.

 

[Skylar]

Wrong. He is not a Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen. He is rather a statutory Citizen.

There are only two classes of citizens, Steve: natural born and naturalized. Either you're a citizen when you're born, or you're a citizen after you're born.

You've made up a third kind. They don't exist.

 

[Skylar]

Oh, and Steve.....we're still waiting for you to explain why Sheriff Joe has never asked Hawaii if the Birth Certificate is valid. Joe has said that his only interest in the authenticity of the birth certificate. Yet.....he refuses to check with the issuing agency.

Why?

And you claim that his office has released a report? Show us. And it better cite the Sheriff and his department.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

if you listen to 'Sheriff Joe'- he is careful to never say that he investigated anything.

And hasn't issued any reports. And has never said that President Obama is ineglible.

Interesting. So Sheriff Joe has never issued a report or announced that Obama is ineligible to be president?

Huh. Steve.....can you show us sheriff Joe's report? If its an official investigation of the Maricopa County Sheriff's department, that's what the report will say, yes?

Also, Sheriff Joe promised us 'new evidence' in March of 2014. And then again in June of 2014. Where is it? Steve? What competent investigator would announce the imminent release of new evidence......and then never release it?

So who do you go by at Fogbow or Dr. Conspiracy's communist website.

The following conditions affect children born outside the U.S. and its outlying possessions to married parents (special conditions affect children born out of wedlock: see below)

· If both parents are U.S. citizens, the child is a citizen if either of the parents has ever had a residence in the U.S. prior to the child's birth

· If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is a U.S. national, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has lived in the U.S. for a continuous period of at least one year prior to the child's birth

· If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if

· the U.S. citizen parent has been "physically present"[9] in the U.S. before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and

· at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent's fourteenth birthday.[

The bolded one applies to Kruz.

Makes them a citizen not natural born

Cruz was a Canadian until a few months ago. We still know his loyalties don't lay with this country

Was he born a citizen? Yes. That makes him a natural born citizen.
Unlike Obama, who was born who knows where and probably renounced his citizenship if he ever had it.

LOL- why do you accept where Cruz was born- but refuse to accept the word of the State of Hawaii about Obama being born in the U.S.?
That is just Birther hypocrisy in action.

Cruz- I believe he is eligible- but we have no actual evidence he is- and I am okay with that.
Obama- the only President to have ever shown proof of his eligiblity. The only President to have ever had his state of Birther confirm he was born there.

The anti-cruz Birthers could just as easily say that Cruz 'probably renounced his citizenship'- but that would make them as crazy as the Obama Birthers.

Tjere is no controversy on where Cruz was born. Everyone agrees on that point.
The state of Hawaii has yet to release an official long form birth certificate. Explanations range from "we lost it" to "it burned in a fire" to "my dog ate it."
I wouldn't care particularly but it is troubling that the administration has taken extensive and vigorous action not to release any info. When McCain's birth was an issue his campaign released every relevant document. Obama has nothing like that. Why not?

Yet more insanity from the forum jester

Of course the state of Hawaii released Obama's long form birth certificate ... of particular interest, you'll note the verifiable certification at the bottom by Dr. Onaka, Hawaii's state registrar...

That document has been found to be a forgery. Registrar Alvin Onaka refuses to speak on Sheriff Arpaio's findings.

 

[Skylar]

So who do you go by at Fogbow or Dr. Conspiracy's communist website.

So...no report? Show us, don't tell us.

That document has been found to be a forgery. Registrar Alvin Onaka refuses to speak on Sheriff Arpaio's findings.

Show us the report. If its an official law enforcement investigation, their name will be all over it, right?

Why the evasion? This is the perfect chance to show us your evidence.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Wrong. He is not a Article 2 Section 1 natural born Citizen. He is rather a statutory Citizen.

There are only two classes of citizens, Steve: natural born and naturalized. Either you're a citizen when you're born, or you're a citizen after you're born.

You've made up a third kind. They don't exist.

All presidents post grandfather clause have been born to two U.S. Citizen parents (except Chester Arthur who was also ineligible) ensuring sole allegiance to the U.S. Obama is not a Constitutional Article 2 Section 1 nbc.

 

[RKMBrown]

Birther sheriff declares Canada-born Sen. Ted Cruz ineligible to run for president

Oh the justice of it all.

Right Wing Radio Host and former Sheriff Richard Mack has stated that Ted Cruz is not eligible to run for President.

Cruz is a Canadian born National with a Cuba Father.

Cruz has said that he has renounced his Canadian Citizenship, but that does not change the fact he was NOT born in the U.S.

The fact that his mother is an American Citizen should have some bearing on her sons citizenship.

Depends how old she was and when...

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

So who do you go by at Fogbow or Dr. Conspiracy's communist website.

So...no report? Show us, don't tell us.

That document has been found to be a forgery. Registrar Alvin Onaka refuses to speak on Sheriff Arpaio's findings.

Show us the report. If its an official law enforcement investigation, their name will be all over it, right?

Why the evasion? This is the perfect chance to show us your evidence.

Zullo will when Arpaio gives the all clear. It is driving Foggy, R.C. and Doc batshit crazy. I love it!

 

[RKMBrown]

Birther sheriff declares Canada-born Sen. Ted Cruz ineligible to run for president

Oh the justice of it all.

Right Wing Radio Host and former Sheriff Richard Mack has stated that Ted Cruz is not eligible to run for President.

Cruz is a Canadian born National with a Cuba Father.

Cruz has said that he has renounced his Canadian Citizenship, but that does not change the fact he was NOT born in the U.S.

The Constitution does not say, "born in the USA," it says "natural born citizen." He was born a citizen, how is he not a natural born citizen?

Before you waste your time, yes, I keep asking right wingers who talk about Kenya the same question, how is Obama not a natural born citizen even if he were born in Kenya? It's irrelevant. They were born citizens, they are eligible to be President. There is no rational argument someone born a US citizen is not qualified regardless of the geographic location of their birth.

Wrong. It depends on age and when Obama was born. His mom wasn't old enough... it's the law.

 

[Skylar]

All presidents post grandfather clause have been born to two U.S. Citizen parents (except Chester Arthur who was also ineligible) ensuring sole allegiance to the U.S. Obama is not a Constitutional Article 2 Section 1 nbc.

Says who? Certainly not Wong Kim Ark, the most recent USSC ruling on the topic of citizenship by birth. It cited natural born status as following *place* of birth. Even to parents who were aliens.

There's only two types of citizens. Natural born and naturalized. There is no third type. If you believe there is, show us that in the law.

You'll find its quite imaginary.

 

[Skylar]

Zullo will when Arpaio gives the all clear. It is driving Foggy, R.C. and Doc batshit crazy. I love it!

So there's been no report from Arpaio on anything related to Obama or his birth certificate? Well that was rather anti-climactic.

Arpaio has been promising us 'new evidence' since March. Where is it? I mean, who holds a report to tell people of evidence that they *won't* release?

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Birther sheriff declares Canada-born Sen. Ted Cruz ineligible to run for president

Oh the justice of it all.

Right Wing Radio Host and former Sheriff Richard Mack has stated that Ted Cruz is not eligible to run for President.

Cruz is a Canadian born National with a Cuba Father.

Cruz has said that he has renounced his Canadian Citizenship, but that does not change the fact he was NOT born in the U.S.

The fact that his mother is an American Citizen should have some bearing on her sons citizenship.

Depends how old she was and when...

Natural born Citizen is one born to two U.S. Citizen parents that will ensure 100% allegiance to America. That is what the founders wanted, especially our 1st Supreme Court Justice John Jay in his letter to George Washington when he was framing the presidential clause.

 

[Skylar]

Wrong. It depends on age and when Obama was born. His mom wasn't old enough... it's the law.

If Obama had been born in Kenya, his mother would have been too young to have conferred citizenship to him upon his birth. She'd have had to have been a resident of the United States for 5 years after her 14th birthday. And she wasn't.

Not that it has the slightest relevance to Obama's actual citizenship. As he was born in Hawaii. And anyone born in the United States is a citizen at birth.....save the children of say, ambassadors and diplomats.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

All presidents post grandfather clause have been born to two U.S. Citizen parents (except Chester Arthur who was also ineligible) ensuring sole allegiance to the U.S. Obama is not a Constitutional Article 2 Section 1 nbc.

Says who? Certainly not Wong Kim Ark, the most recent USSC ruling on the topic of citizenship by birth. It cited natural born status as following *place* of birth. Even to parents who were aliens.

There's only two types of citizens. Natural born and naturalized. There is no third type. If you believe there is, show us that in the law.

You'll find its quite imaginary.

Wrong

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Wrong. It depends on age and when Obama was born. His mom wasn't old enough... it's the law.

If Obama had been born in Kenya, his mother would have been too young to have conferred citizenship to him upon his birth. She'd have had to have been a resident of the United States for 5 years after her 14th birthday. And she wasn't.

Not that it has the slightest relevance to Obama's actual citizenship. As he was born in Hawaii. And anyone born in the United States is a citizen at birth.....save the children of say, ambassadors and diplomats.

There is no proof Obama was born in Hawaii since he presented a 100% forged birth document on the WH website April 27, 2011. Law enforcement documentation from the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office confirms.

 

[Skylar]

Natural born Citizen is one born to two U.S. Citizen parents that will ensure 100% allegiance to America. That is what the founders wanted, especially our 1st Supreme Court Justice John Jay in his letter to George Washington when he was framing the presidential clause.

That's what you say. The USSC found that it natural born status followed place of birth. See, I actually read the Wong Kim Ark ruling rather than pasting a picture about it as you did. And they're clear as as bell.

Oh, and here's a transcript of John Jay's letter to Washington.

http://www.kerchner.com/images/protectourliberty/johnjay1787lettertogeorgewashington.jpg

Show us anything about 'Natural born Citizen is one born to two U.S. Citizen parents that will ensure 100% allegiance to America'. No, go ahead, I'll wait.

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Nothing, huh? Once again, it helps if you actually read your sources before you start talking about them Steve. That's why you so consistently fuck up....because you repeat what you've been told to think. And you actually research nothing. Try again, birther.

 

[Skylar]

Wrong

Show us, don't tell us. Like when I showed you the relevant passages from the Wong Kim Ark ruling where the USSC found that the meaning of 'natural born' could be determined from reviewing British Common law. And then quoted passages that confirmed that natural born status followed the place of birth...even if the child's parents were aliens.

Now its your turn. Since you've done no research or verified anything you've said, why not just ask whomever does your thinking for you. Surely they'll be willing to help you.

 

[Skylar]

There is no proof Obama was born in Hawaii since he presented a 100% forged birth document on the WH website April 27, 2011. Law enforcement documentation from the Maricopa County Sheriffs Office confirms.

Show us the report from the Maricopa County Sheriff's office. I've asked you.....5 times now? And each time you get very evasive and try and change the topic. Surely there's a report. I mean, any legitimate investigation would have one. And they'd be public. So just show us.

And of course, Hawaii has already confirmed 3 times in writing that the information on Obama's LFBC matches the original records of Hawaii. And confirms Obama was born in Hawaii. The Secretary of State of Arizona was so embarrassed by Hawaii's smack down of his silly birther theory that he actually apologized to the people of Arizona afterward.

Sheriff Joe included all 3 written confirmations by the State of Hawaii affirming the validity of Obama's birth certificate in the Maricopa Country Report on the topic, yes? If not, why not? They're immediately relevant.

And Sheriff Joe already asked the State of Hawaii if Obama's birth certificate was valid, right? I mean that's the first thing any legitimate investigator would do. But oddly, Sheriff Joe has never done.

Why not?

 

[TooTall]

Birther sheriff declares Canada-born Sen. Ted Cruz ineligible to run for president

Oh the justice of it all.

Right Wing Radio Host and former Sheriff Richard Mack has stated that Ted Cruz is not eligible to run for President.

Cruz is a Canadian born National with a Cuba Father.

Cruz has said that he has renounced his Canadian Citizenship, but that does not change the fact he was NOT born in the U.S.

The fact that his mother is an American Citizen should have some bearing on her sons citizenship.

Depends how old she was and when...

Natural born Citizen is one born to two U.S. Citizen parents that will ensure 100% allegiance to America. That is what the founders wanted, especially our 1st Supreme Court Justice John Jay in his letter to George Washington when he was framing the presidential clause.

Federal law clearly states that only ONE parent has to be an American citizen.

Key Clauses of the 14th Amendment

1. State and federal citizenship for all persons regardless of race both born or naturalized in the United States was reaffirmed.

Citizenship in the United States is a matter offederal law, governed by theUnited States constitution.

This definition of citizenship contains a twofold test. To be a citizen you have to be “born or naturalized in the United States” and “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” Let’s see how that pans out in practice:

· The children of U.S. citizens are automatically citizens if they are born in the United States.

· Laws passed by Congress have also given automatic U.S. citizenship to children born outside the United States, provided at least one of their parents is a U.S. citizen — even if they are born out of wedlock.