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Because anti-semitism is really productive.
Shit bag.
So quick to pull the anti-semite card, aren't you? Could that be because you're intellectually bankrupt beyond even filing chapter 11? My bet is on yes.
As for the allegation -
Yeah you think Israel pulled off 9/11, you think the Jewish lobby has too much control over the US government, you think the media is controlled by Jews.
But you're not an anti=semite.
Give me a fucking break.
So the solution is to retreat behind the ocean?Because anti-semitism is really productive.
Shit bag.
You can't call me anti-semitic...my Jewish mother would slap you for that! That, and I fully support the right of Israel to conduct their affairs as they see fit.
So let's focus on the point at hand. I'm saying your incorrect to say that we Libertarians "blame the US" for these kind of attacks. We simply question the idea of meddling where such blowback is inevitable. Certainly you can see the validity of weighing the potential benefits of interventionism against the negative consequences history teaches us, yes?
No, that doesn't work. 9/11 proves it doesn't work.
We are a global power. Pretending we're a jerkwater nation of 13 colonies doesn't work today. Our choice is either to engage the rest of the world or let others do it instead. And the results of the second choice are ugly.
This is what the Paul-bots don't get. They somehow think that we get attacked because we have a presence in other countries. That's wrong.
As for foreign involvement, ask the Poles, Lithuanians, East Germans, etc etc how much better life is than it was under the Soviets.
Ask the Vietnamese or Cambodians how much better it was once we left.
No, the Wookie suiters are in LaLa Land here.
This is why they never make inroads in the electorate
and are doomed to being a mere internet presence of conspiracy theorists and k00oks
You're wasting your time, eflatminor. Rabbi is only interested in trolling threads and insulting Ron Paul. It's his way of showing the board just how intellectually bankrupt he is.
The isolationists just don't get it. Probably never will.
The isolationists just don't get it. Probably never will.
Again with the Lefty tactic...that's disappointing. Nobody is talking about isolationism. Geez, I'm trying to give you every benefit of the doubt. I'm trying to be factual, honest and civil. Continuing to arrive at over-the-top conclusions that nobody is suggesting does not help your point. As a Conservative, you should be able to do better.
The isolationists just don't get it. Probably never will.
Again with the Lefty tactic...that's disappointing. Nobody is talking about isolationism. Geez, I'm trying to give you every benefit of the doubt. I'm trying to be factual, honest and civil. Continuing to arrive at over-the-top conclusions that nobody is suggesting does not help your point. As a Conservative, you should be able to do better.
there's nothing factual in your response.
I mention Vietnam and you post that their economy is doing well. Now. 30 years later. You conveniently leave out the boat people, the killings, the terrible poverty that followed our abandonment of that country.
Do you honestly believe that because we had troops stationed in Saudi Arabia this was the cause?
They werent invaders, they were invited by the Saudi government.
For the record, we have foreign troops in this country all the time.
Put the kook-aid down.
You're wasting your time, eflatminor. Rabbi is only interested in trolling threads and insulting Ron Paul. It's his way of showing the board just how intellectually bankrupt he is.
Says the guy who thinks Mossad planned 9/11.
The isolationists just don't get it. Probably never will.
Again with the Lefty tactic...that's disappointing. Nobody is talking about isolationism. Geez, I'm trying to give you every benefit of the doubt. I'm trying to be factual, honest and civil. Continuing to arrive at over-the-top conclusions that nobody is suggesting does not help your point. As a Conservative, you should be able to do better.
there's nothing factual in your response.
Nothing...really? How sad you are this unwilling to consider any alternative to the status quo. Seriously sad.
Well, it is true they're doing well today. If we are to look back 30 years, one could argue that we didn't abandon anyone, we lost a war. One could also ask if that poverty would have occurred had we never entered the war in the first place. After all, the Communists won and eventually, they became much more like capitalists and are doing rather well today. Had we passed on the war, perhaps Vietnam's evolution from Commies to capitalists would have happened anyway...without all the death and costs of war. This is a reasonable thing to at least consider, no?
there's nothing factual in your response.
Nothing...really? How sad you are this unwilling to consider any alternative to the status quo. Seriously sad.
Well, it is true they're doing well today. If we are to look back 30 years, one could argue that we didn't abandon anyone, we lost a war. One could also ask if that poverty would have occurred had we never entered the war in the first place. After all, the Communists won and eventually, they became much more like capitalists and are doing rather well today. Had we passed on the war, perhaps Vietnam's evolution from Commies to capitalists would have happened anyway...without all the death and costs of war. This is a reasonable thing to at least consider, no?
Seriously? That's your response? Perhaps this, and perhaps that? Yeah maybe if we had stayed and actually fought the war with the idea of winning Vietnam would look like South Korea.
But the actual fact is we abandoned Vietnam, the communists took over, and they massacred a bunch of people. We abandoned Afghanistan in the 1980s and the Taliban took over and massacred a bunch of people. We did not abandon Greece after WW2 and we defeated the communists and Greece has done much better than comparable communist countries.
The record is that bad things happen when we cut and run, not when we are engaged.
Nothing...really? How sad you are this unwilling to consider any alternative to the status quo. Seriously sad.
Well, it is true they're doing well today. If we are to look back 30 years, one could argue that we didn't abandon anyone, we lost a war. One could also ask if that poverty would have occurred had we never entered the war in the first place. After all, the Communists won and eventually, they became much more like capitalists and are doing rather well today. Had we passed on the war, perhaps Vietnam's evolution from Commies to capitalists would have happened anyway...without all the death and costs of war. This is a reasonable thing to at least consider, no?
Seriously? That's your response? Perhaps this, and perhaps that? Yeah maybe if we had stayed and actually fought the war with the idea of winning Vietnam would look like South Korea.
But the actual fact is we abandoned Vietnam, the communists took over, and they massacred a bunch of people. We abandoned Afghanistan in the 1980s and the Taliban took over and massacred a bunch of people. We did not abandon Greece after WW2 and we defeated the communists and Greece has done much better than comparable communist countries.
The record is that bad things happen when we cut and run, not when we are engaged.
Maybe...maybe not. Personally, I'm not willing to risk all those lives, all that money and all that destruction on a maybe. It's certainly unfortunate what the Communists did to other countries in the past. Same hold true for Islamists today. That does not necessarily make it our problem. Further, I cannot blindly accept that "bad things happen when we cut and run" when we know damn well bad things also happen when we engage, meddle and otherwise interfere with the business of other nations.
I'm reminded of something John Qunicy Adams said: "America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own."
I argue that just a modicum of this kind of thinking is in order.
Nothing...really? How sad you are this unwilling to consider any alternative to the status quo. Seriously sad.
Well, it is true they're doing well today. If we are to look back 30 years, one could argue that we didn't abandon anyone, we lost a war. One could also ask if that poverty would have occurred had we never entered the war in the first place. After all, the Communists won and eventually, they became much more like capitalists and are doing rather well today. Had we passed on the war, perhaps Vietnam's evolution from Commies to capitalists would have happened anyway...without all the death and costs of war. This is a reasonable thing to at least consider, no?
Seriously? That's your response? Perhaps this, and perhaps that? Yeah maybe if we had stayed and actually fought the war with the idea of winning Vietnam would look like South Korea.
But the actual fact is we abandoned Vietnam, the communists took over, and they massacred a bunch of people. We abandoned Afghanistan in the 1980s and the Taliban took over and massacred a bunch of people. We did not abandon Greece after WW2 and we defeated the communists and Greece has done much better than comparable communist countries.
The record is that bad things happen when we cut and run, not when we are engaged.
Maybe...maybe not. Personally, I'm not willing to risk all those lives, all that money and all that destruction on a maybe. It's certainly unfortunate what the Communists did to other countries in the past. Same hold true for Islamists today. That does not necessarily make it our problem. Further, I cannot blindly accept that "bad things happen when we cut and run" when we know damn well bad things also happen when we engage, meddle and otherwise interfere with the business of other nations.
I'm reminded of something John Qunicy Adams said: "America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own."
I argue that just a modicum of this kind of thinking is in order.
I've been telling Rabbi to stop eating paint chips, while eflat continues to explain.