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Punish red states? America is becoming Europe under the Hussein administration. Why the hell do drivers need federal permission to drive on a freaking highway?
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Baloney. There have been 17 previous government shutdowns in American history, most under Democratic controlled Congresses, and almost all concentrated over budgetary disputes in Congress, and mostly occurring from 1970s to the 1990s. The longest was in 1995 when Clinton vetoed three bills before finally signing one with the welfare reform in it that saved his presidency and gave him what legacy he has. And every single one of those shutdowns used the very same methods that the Congress is using now--legislators voting their conscience or convictions and one chamber or a President refusing to bend to the will of the other.
They indeed ARE holding the government hostage! This CR debate is not the venue to enact new legislation. Had it not been for the gigantic wad in the panties of the most Conservative members of the House, the government WOULD indeed be open today.The problem is this is neither the right thing nor the politically expedient thing. Holding the entire government hostage over one piece of legislation is irresponsible. Thousands of federal jobs are going unpaid, hundreds of federal contracts are going unfulfilled or not bid on, thousands of federally backed mortgages are going unprocessed all because a slim minority in one party prefers brinksmanship over statesmanship.
I suppose we could roll back the clock and reinstitute the old health plans, but then thousands will be dropped due to pre-existing conditions. Thousands will find their coverage dropped because they filed a claim. Thousands will see premiums rise exponentially. And millions will go uninsured guaranteeing them bankruptcy should they contract a major medical problem. So, what's the right thing to do? Shut down the government in an impetuous binge of partisanship, or repair the law as it stands?
They didn't hold the government hostage though. The House easily passed three separate bills that would fully fund the government through December except for Obamacare and they agreed to submit funding Obamacare as a separate and stand alone bill. Senate Republicans would have voted for funding the government under the House blls in a heartbeat.
The Senate would not agree to that.
So who is holding the government hostage over a piece of legislation?
And many experts have chimed in to express that the consequences and negative aspects of Obamacare will be universally more destructive than the incidental cases that you cite, all of which could have been addressed far less drastically than taking over the entire healthcare system. Responsible legislators don't embrace bad legislation purely because it has a few good things in it.
But rather than taking one of the following courses of action, the Tea Party decided to ACT IMPETUOUSLY and take their ball and go home! They could have:
Acted as responsible legislators and introduced bills to alter or amend Obamacare,
Realized that Romney/Ryan were roundly defeated in the election of 2012 after that ticket ran to repeal the act,
Accepted the SCOTUS decision that declared the ACA constitutional and moved on to other business, or
Come to their senses and stood with the framers of the constitution and employed the framers tactic of compromise.
But, driven by and insatiable hatred for all things Obama, and supported by a minority base whose ideology actually works against their own interests, the Tea Party has decided that their brand of politics is a one size fits all brand and are trying like children to get their own way on all things. It's shameful. It's embarrassing. It's counter to the American legislative tradition. And it will mean utter defeat in the coming elections both mid term and Presidential.
Baloney. There have been 17 previous government shutdowns in American history, most under Democratic controlled Congresses, and almost all concentrated over budgetary disputes in Congress, and mostly occurring from 1970s to the 1990s. The longest was in 1995 when Clinton vetoed three bills before finally signing one with the welfare reform in it that saved his presidency and gave him what legacy he has. And every single one of those shutdowns used the very same methods that the Congress is using now--legislators voting their conscience or convictions and one chamber or a President refusing to bend to the will of the other.
Baloney. You're revising history, badly. Never before has one party unilaterally demanded total surrender or they'd shut it all down. Those previous cases were all _both_ sides going back and forth over favors for both sides, and then coming to their senses quickly when the deadline passed, quickly compromising for the good of the nation.
And you didn't answer the "are you a hypocrite" question.
If the positions were reversed, and a Democratic house rejected a clean bill and declared the government would be shut down unless a complete gun ban was implemented, would you approve of their heroic resolve?
Would you say the Democrats "compromised" if they then agreed to only banning most guns?
And please don't dodge by declaring your pet issues are special and get an exception, unlike the issues of the evil democrats. That would just prove an "Ends justify the means for my side" philosophy on your part.
They indeed ARE holding the government hostage! This CR debate is not the venue to enact new legislation. Had it not been for the gigantic wad in the panties of the most Conservative members of the House, the government WOULD indeed be open today.They didn't hold the government hostage though. The House easily passed three separate bills that would fully fund the government through December except for Obamacare and they agreed to submit funding Obamacare as a separate and stand alone bill. Senate Republicans would have voted for funding the government under the House blls in a heartbeat.
The Senate would not agree to that.
So who is holding the government hostage over a piece of legislation?
And many experts have chimed in to express that the consequences and negative aspects of Obamacare will be universally more destructive than the incidental cases that you cite, all of which could have been addressed far less drastically than taking over the entire healthcare system. Responsible legislators don't embrace bad legislation purely because it has a few good things in it.
But rather than taking one of the following courses of action, the Tea Party decided to ACT IMPETUOUSLY and take their ball and go home! They could have:
Acted as responsible legislators and introduced bills to alter or amend Obamacare,
Realized that Romney/Ryan were roundly defeated in the election of 2012 after that ticket ran to repeal the act,
Accepted the SCOTUS decision that declared the ACA constitutional and moved on to other business, or
Come to their senses and stood with the framers of the constitution and employed the framers tactic of compromise.
But, driven by and insatiable hatred for all things Obama, and supported by a minority base whose ideology actually works against their own interests, the Tea Party has decided that their brand of politics is a one size fits all brand and are trying like children to get their own way on all things. It's shameful. It's embarrassing. It's counter to the American legislative tradition. And it will mean utter defeat in the coming elections both mid term and Presidential.
Instead of these repeated Continuing Resolutions, how about an annual budget?
We haven't seen one of those since The Obama took office.
The Park Service appears to be closing streets on mere whim and caprice. The rangers even closed the parking lot at Mount Vernon, where the plantation home of George Washington is a favorite tourist destination. That was after they barred the new World War II Memorial on the Mall to veterans of World War II. But the government does not own Mount Vernon; it is privately owned by the Mount Vernon Ladies' Association. The ladies bought it years ago to preserve it as a national memorial. The feds closed access to the parking lots this week, even though the lots are jointly owned with the Mount Vernon ladies. The rangers are from the government, and theyre only here to help.
Its a cheap way to deal with the situation, an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. Weve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. Its disgusting.
Read more: PRUDEN: The cheap tricks of the game - Washington Times
They indeed ARE holding the government hostage! This CR debate is not the venue to enact new legislation. Had it not been for the gigantic wad in the panties of the most Conservative members of the House, the government WOULD indeed be open today.They didn't hold the government hostage though. The House easily passed three separate bills that would fully fund the government through December except for Obamacare and they agreed to submit funding Obamacare as a separate and stand alone bill. Senate Republicans would have voted for funding the government under the House blls in a heartbeat.
The Senate would not agree to that.
So who is holding the government hostage over a piece of legislation?
And many experts have chimed in to express that the consequences and negative aspects of Obamacare will be universally more destructive than the incidental cases that you cite, all of which could have been addressed far less drastically than taking over the entire healthcare system. Responsible legislators don't embrace bad legislation purely because it has a few good things in it.
But rather than taking one of the following courses of action, the Tea Party decided to ACT IMPETUOUSLY and take their ball and go home! They could have:
Acted as responsible legislators and introduced bills to alter or amend Obamacare,
Realized that Romney/Ryan were roundly defeated in the election of 2012 after that ticket ran to repeal the act,
Accepted the SCOTUS decision that declared the ACA constitutional and moved on to other business, or
Come to their senses and stood with the framers of the constitution and employed the framers tactic of compromise.
But, driven by and insatiable hatred for all things Obama, and supported by a minority base whose ideology actually works against their own interests, the Tea Party has decided that their brand of politics is a one size fits all brand and are trying like children to get their own way on all things. It's shameful. It's embarrassing. It's counter to the American legislative tradition. And it will mean utter defeat in the coming elections both mid term and Presidential.
Instead of these repeated Continuing Resolutions, how about an annual budget?
We haven't seen one of those since The Obama took office.
The GOP is quietly trying to pass small bills to reopen some public facilities, but Harry Reid remains recalcitrant.
If somebody else has already posted this, I apologize:
The Park Service appears to be closing streets on mere whim and caprice. The rangers even closed the parking lot at Mount Vernon, where the plantation home of George Washington is a favorite tourist destination. That was after they barred the new World War II Memorial on the Mall to veterans of World War II. But the government does not own Mount Vernon; it is privately owned by the Mount Vernon Ladies' Association. The ladies bought it years ago to preserve it as a national memorial. The feds closed access to the parking lots this week, even though the lots are jointly owned with the Mount Vernon ladies. The rangers are from the government, and theyre only here to help.
Its a cheap way to deal with the situation, an angry Park Service ranger in Washington says of the harassment. Weve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. Its disgusting.
Read more: PRUDEN: The cheap tricks of the game - Washington Times
They indeed ARE holding the government hostage! This CR debate is not the venue to enact new legislation. Had it not been for the gigantic wad in the panties of the most Conservative members of the House, the government WOULD indeed be open today.
But rather than taking one of the following courses of action, the Tea Party decided to ACT IMPETUOUSLY and take their ball and go home! They could have:
Acted as responsible legislators and introduced bills to alter or amend Obamacare,
Realized that Romney/Ryan were roundly defeated in the election of 2012 after that ticket ran to repeal the act,
Accepted the SCOTUS decision that declared the ACA constitutional and moved on to other business, or
Come to their senses and stood with the framers of the constitution and employed the framers tactic of compromise.
But, driven by and insatiable hatred for all things Obama, and supported by a minority base whose ideology actually works against their own interests, the Tea Party has decided that their brand of politics is a one size fits all brand and are trying like children to get their own way on all things. It's shameful. It's embarrassing. It's counter to the American legislative tradition. And it will mean utter defeat in the coming elections both mid term and Presidential.
Instead of these repeated Continuing Resolutions, how about an annual budget?
We haven't seen one of those since The Obama took office.
Ask Boehner and McConnel.
Oh look, mamooth has left the building.
It's embarassing when one gets carried away with rhetoric and easily disproved lies.
So who refused to compromise this time, and when was the last time our parks were closed and our white house cordoned off?
You are being absurd to the extreme.
Even though the Blueridge Parkway remains open to traffic the park service ordered a private hotel to close.
"The Pisgah Inn, a private hotel that holds a concession on the Blue Ridge Parkway, has become a national sensation as it defies intimidation and a National Park Service order to close its doors."
This hotel receives no federal funds yet the dear leader is paying rangers to block the hotel entrance. The hotel actually pays the government a franchise fee based on its income. This means our little dictator wannabe is costing us money beyond the pay for the rangers to block the hotel. Plus they are putting 100 people out of work needlessly.
Blue Ridge hotel defies Park Service shutdown - Washington Times
Even though the Blueridge Parkway remains open to traffic the park service ordered a private hotel to close.
"The Pisgah Inn, a private hotel that holds a concession on the Blue Ridge Parkway, has become a national sensation as it defies “intimidation” and a National Park Service order to close its doors."
This hotel receives no federal funds yet the dear leader is paying rangers to block the hotel entrance. The hotel actually pays the government a franchise fee based on its income. This means our little dictator wannabe is costing us money beyond the pay for the rangers to block the hotel. Plus they are putting 100 people out of work needlessly.
Blue Ridge hotel defies Park Service shutdown - Washington Times
Obama's fault?!?! It's the fault of anyone that thought it was a good idea to vote for a Republican.