Boom!!!! Judge in Manafort case says Mueller only wants to hurt Trump

[iceberg]

there's a bit more to it than that and i suspect you know that but it's time for damage control and keeping the faith/hope alive.

Mueller Investigation In Jeopardy As "Witch Hunt" Accusations Play Out In Court

Yeah, the defense called for discovery. Pretty common. Yaaawn

And Mullers guys told him that it was to top secret at which point the judge called bull shit and eat them down. It’s awesome that to get heart burn thinking about it.

yeah ok dude

Yup. So then speculate on Mullers big plan. Even if all go’s well for Muller (It ain’t) what is muller going to get trump for and how will he sell it to judges that are becoming hostile to him? Muller is getting sat down.

First, it’s ‘goes’

Second, judges aren’t being hostile toward Meuller; they’re doing their job. One judge wants to see proof that Meuller is within the scope of the investigation (which is easy to prove with Rosenstein’s mandate); and the other judge sided with defense on a discovery motion (which is pretty common).

Meuller isn’t going anywhere unless Trump has him fired. If he does that, he may as well resign.

if easy to prove, why has it not been done? why did he not just prove it knowing the judge would ask anyway? i mean, an experienced lawyer and all should see this coming and not damage his own case by not being prepared. so i don't buy into your "mandate" ordeal simply because that must have been taken into consideration - now what is mueller doing *outside* that mandate is what the question is and "it's a secret" was a bullshit answer.

the judges are doing their job and what they did over the last few days is because mueller is stepping outside of what he was told to do and when the judge says you're just trying to hurt trump, it doesn't sound all that "harmless" as you're trying to pass it off as.

swing and a few misses.

 

[Crixus]

Yeah, the defense called for discovery. Pretty common. Yaaawn

And Mullers guys told him that it was to top secret at which point the judge called bull shit and eat them down. It’s awesome that to get heart burn thinking about it.

yeah ok dude

Yup. So then speculate on Mullers big plan. Even if all go’s well for Muller (It ain’t) what is muller going to get trump for and how will he sell it to judges that are becoming hostile to him? Muller is getting sat down.

First, it’s ‘goes’

Second, judges aren’t being hostile toward Meuller; they’re doing their job. One judge wants to see proof that Meuller is within the scope of the investigation (which is easy to prove with Rosenstein’s mandate); and the other judge sided with defense on a discovery motion (which is pretty common).

Meuller isn’t going anywhere unless Trump has him fired. If he does that, he may as well resign.

if easy to prove, why has it not been done? why did he not just prove it knowing the judge would ask anyway? i mean, an experienced lawyer and all should see this coming and not damage his own case by not being prepared. so i don't buy into your "mandate" ordeal simply because that must have been taken into consideration - now what is mueller doing *outside* that mandate is what the question is and "it's a secret" was a bullshit answer.

the judges are doing their job and what they did over the last few days is because mueller is stepping outside of what he was told to do and when the judge says you're just trying to hurt trump, it doesn't sound all that "harmless" as you're trying to pass it off as.

swing and a few misses.

Pretty much. Now, my beloved Ma fed us many years by doing law in this great country. She will point out that only TV political pundanta have speculated and claimed Trump is going to prision for ever, but in reality, Muller and his Democrat boss’s have only gotten to run around the living room and scream. Now they have to explain them selves to adults. This whole thing wasn’t intended to find answers, it had three purposes for existing,

1. Clean up Hillary’s mess so it don’t tuch the token negro.

2. A public character hit.


3. Damage Trumps numbers so he will be a one term president.


So far none of that has happened.

 

[evenflow1969]

Unfreaking real. Awesome development.

"You don't really care about Mr. Manafort's bank fraud," District Judge T.S. Ellis said to prosecutor Michael Dreeben, at times losing his temper. Ellis said prosecutors were interested in Manafort because of his potential to provide material that would lead to Trump's "prosecution or impeachment," Ellis said.

"That's what you're really interested in," said Ellis, who was appointed by President Ronald Reagan.

He repeated his suspicion several times in the hour-long court hearing."

Judge in Manafort case says Mueller's aim is to hurt Trump - CNNPolitics

Well Duh, being under investigation is not a good thing the invstegator is not the investigated's freind, thank you Captain Obvious!

 

[jc456]

dude, I've always known collusion isn't a crime. tell that to Mueller.

Sure, but you've never taken the next logical step then to understand that the investigation is about potential criminality and not collusion.

dude, I've never been at collusion. I've been at, tell me what you're investigating. that's it. what is it they are investigating. don't insult me, tell what the investigation about?

I just did. Potential criminality.

potential criminality of what? the sky is blue?

Enough with the circle jerk. You know that hasn't been released.

that isn't how our constitution works, you know this right? so you're saying you have no idea what is being investigated? The people have a right to know what a sitting president is being targeted with. We elected him and that is coup type behavior. I know you don't understand that, but the judge will let us all know shortly eh?

 

[jc456]

Unfreaking real. Awesome development.

"You don't really care about Mr. Manafort's bank fraud," District Judge T.S. Ellis said to prosecutor Michael Dreeben, at times losing his temper. Ellis said prosecutors were interested in Manafort because of his potential to provide material that would lead to Trump's "prosecution or impeachment," Ellis said.

"That's what you're really interested in," said Ellis, who was appointed by President Ronald Reagan.

He repeated his suspicion several times in the hour-long court hearing."

Judge in Manafort case says Mueller's aim is to hurt Trump - CNNPolitics

Well Duh, being under investigation is not a good thing the invstegator is not the investigated's freind, thank you Captain Obvious!

In 100% of cases, someone knows what is being investigated. Why don't we know? Starsky stated we don't know. I don't know, do you? Why can't the person being investigated? According to Trump it is collusion. Well congress cleared that. They are the only body that can take the president out. Mueller can't. The congress supersedes Mueller per the design of our constitution.

 

[jc456]

The FBI and special counsels don't investigate non-crimes.

100% incorrect .The special counsel will investigate whatever the mandate says he should. You are literally just pulling things out of your ass.

unfortunately for you and Mueller, that isn't how the judicial system works. Therefore, they will bring in their warrant. I can't wait. just can't do what they did as detailed nicely by the judge. 'C'mon man'

 

[jc456]

then pray tell - what *exactly* are they looking for?

Any and all collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, including any illegal receipt of material support. They are also looking for evidence of obstruction of justice on the part of Trump.

Welcome back from your coma. This information appeared in the news one year ago.

well again, dude, collusion isn't a crime. please say you know this? please? your peers in here have already agreed it isn't. so there can't be charges for something that isn't illegal. And getting dirt on your opposition isn't a crime either. Ask hitlery and look at the dossier. dude, the titanic sunk cause it had a hole in it. Boom, a hole just popped up on mueller. Glug, glug, glug, glug, glug. Down he goes.

 

[JoeMoma]

he won't tell you, instead he'll call you a goof for not knowing it. Yet collusion has been the subject for 13 months. so now it isn't. but we're now supposed to know they changed their minds and redirected to peter pan's neverland. and fk us for not knowing what the left is calling it today. amazing shit I tell ya.

Collusion has never been the subject, dope.
If you're confused, it's your own fault.

dude, you're confused, I get it. everyday five to ten times a day a media outlet has stated that is the issue, even Congress put out a letter saying so. Not sure where the hell your head has been, other than your ass to make such a statement.

You're confused as usual. You said yourself collusion isn't a crime. Great, it's not.
The FBI and special counsels don't investigate non-crimes. Sooo....therefore the subject cannot be collusion then. Can it?

Dumbasses like you have been saying it's about collusion for 16 months now.

Jailhouse Punkass Lawyers like you were yelling Benghazi for 4 years. 0 indictments.

Congressional hearings almost never lead to indictments. That's not what congress does.

 

[jc456]

there's a bit more to it than that and i suspect you know that but it's time for damage control and keeping the faith/hope alive.

Mueller Investigation In Jeopardy As "Witch Hunt" Accusations Play Out In Court

Yeah, the defense called for discovery. Pretty common. Yaaawn

And Mullers guys told him that it was to top secret at which point the judge called bull shit and eat them down. It’s awesome that to get heart burn thinking about it.

yeah ok dude

Yup. So then speculate on Mullers big plan. Even if all go’s well for Muller (It ain’t) what is muller going to get trump for and how will he sell it to judges that are becoming hostile to him? Muller is getting sat down.

First, it’s ‘goes’

Second, judges aren’t being hostile toward Meuller; they’re doing their job. One judge wants to see proof that Meuller is within the scope of the investigation (which is easy to prove with Rosenstein’s mandate); and the other judge sided with defense on a discovery motion (which is pretty common).

Meuller isn’t going anywhere unless Trump has him fired. If he does that, he may as well resign.

dude, they already have that they used the wrong warrant. they used the FISA Warrant. not allowed by law. they needed a different type of warrant. hahahahaahahahaaha

 

[jc456]

Collusion has never been the subject, dope.
If you're confused, it's your own fault.

dude, you're confused, I get it. everyday five to ten times a day a media outlet has stated that is the issue, even Congress put out a letter saying so. Not sure where the hell your head has been, other than your ass to make such a statement.

You're confused as usual. You said yourself collusion isn't a crime. Great, it's not.
The FBI and special counsels don't investigate non-crimes. Sooo....therefore the subject cannot be collusion then. Can it?

Dumbasses like you have been saying it's about collusion for 16 months now.

Jailhouse Punkass Lawyers like you were yelling Benghazi for 4 years. 0 indictments.

Congressional hearings almost never lead to indictments. That's not what congress does.

and the leftist here believe their leftist hacks in office then would take on Hitlery during an election. yeah, how fking stupid are these holes?

 

[tinydancer]

there's a bit more to it than that and i suspect you know that but it's time for damage control and keeping the faith/hope alive.

Mueller Investigation In Jeopardy As "Witch Hunt" Accusations Play Out In Court

Yeah, the defense called for discovery. Pretty common. Yaaawn

And Mullers guys told him that it was to top secret at which point the judge called bull shit and eat them down. It’s awesome that to get heart burn thinking about it.

yeah ok dude

Yup. So then speculate on Mullers big plan. Even if all go’s well for Muller (It ain’t) what is muller going to get trump for and how will he sell it to judges that are becoming hostile to him? Muller is getting sat down.

First, it’s ‘goes’

Second, judges aren’t being hostile toward Meuller; they’re doing their job. One judge wants to see proof that Meuller is within the scope of the investigation (which is easy to prove with Rosenstein’s mandate); and the other judge sided with defense on a discovery motion (which is pretty common).

Meuller isn’t going anywhere unless Trump has him fired. If he does that, he may as well resign.

Read the transcript. Ellis publicly bitch slapped the SC team into another galaxy.

As to discovery. Sigh. When it comes to discovery and Mueller's team it's not common at all. The judiciary know full well who is on Mueller's team.

Scumbucket extraordinaire......drum roll....Mueller's pitbull....Andrew Weissman.

Mueller’s ‘Pit Bull’ Andrew Weissmann Busted for Withholding Evidence in Previous Case
“Reprehensible and subject, perhaps, to appropriate disciplinary measures

Mueller's 'Pit Bull' Andrew Weissmann Busted for Withholding Evidence in Previous Case | Sara A. Carter

 

[J.E.D]

Yeah, the defense called for discovery. Pretty common. Yaaawn

And Mullers guys told him that it was to top secret at which point the judge called bull shit and eat them down. It’s awesome that to get heart burn thinking about it.

yeah ok dude

Yup. So then speculate on Mullers big plan. Even if all go’s well for Muller (It ain’t) what is muller going to get trump for and how will he sell it to judges that are becoming hostile to him? Muller is getting sat down.

First, it’s ‘goes’

Second, judges aren’t being hostile toward Meuller; they’re doing their job. One judge wants to see proof that Meuller is within the scope of the investigation (which is easy to prove with Rosenstein’s mandate); and the other judge sided with defense on a discovery motion (which is pretty common).

Meuller isn’t going anywhere unless Trump has him fired. If he does that, he may as well resign.

Oh, the mandate they got months later, and will have as soon as ol’Rod offers a new mandate. The public is against Muller, Judges are against Muller, and as always happens with Muller, his case will be taken apart in court and tossed out, just like all of Mullers other cases. Look for this to happen by the 2020 election just before Trumps second term. Trumpkins really should thank Muller. He is trumps best campaign tool.

Yeah, right. Mueller was picked to head the investigation because he has a terrible track record. *Rolls eyes* I’m sure you’ve got proof of that.

You should come up for air before you drown in the Trump piss you’re guzzling

 

[tinydancer]

And Mullers guys told him that it was to top secret at which point the judge called bull shit and eat them down. It’s awesome that to get heart burn thinking about it.

yeah ok dude

Yup. So then speculate on Mullers big plan. Even if all go’s well for Muller (It ain’t) what is muller going to get trump for and how will he sell it to judges that are becoming hostile to him? Muller is getting sat down.

First, it’s ‘goes’

Second, judges aren’t being hostile toward Meuller; they’re doing their job. One judge wants to see proof that Meuller is within the scope of the investigation (which is easy to prove with Rosenstein’s mandate); and the other judge sided with defense on a discovery motion (which is pretty common).

Meuller isn’t going anywhere unless Trump has him fired. If he does that, he may as well resign.

Oh, the mandate they got months later, and will have as soon as ol’Rod offers a new mandate. The public is against Muller, Judges are against Muller, and as always happens with Muller, his case will be taken apart in court and tossed out, just like all of Mullers other cases. Look for this to happen by the 2020 election just before Trumps second term. Trumpkins really should thank Muller. He is trumps best campaign tool.

Yeah, right. Mueller was picked to head the investigation because he has a terrible track record. *Rolls eyes* I’m sure you’ve got proof of that.

You should come up for air before you drown in the Trump piss you’re guzzling

Good grief!!! You don't know about his monumental fuck ups?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

ImI on my phone . Someone Google collusion montage and play it for this idiot.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

And Mullers guys told him that it was to top secret at which point the judge called bull shit and eat them down. It’s awesome that to get heart burn thinking about it.

yeah ok dude

Yup. So then speculate on Mullers big plan. Even if all go’s well for Muller (It ain’t) what is muller going to get trump for and how will he sell it to judges that are becoming hostile to him? Muller is getting sat down.

First, it’s ‘goes’

Second, judges aren’t being hostile toward Meuller; they’re doing their job. One judge wants to see proof that Meuller is within the scope of the investigation (which is easy to prove with Rosenstein’s mandate); and the other judge sided with defense on a discovery motion (which is pretty common).

Meuller isn’t going anywhere unless Trump has him fired. If he does that, he may as well resign.

Oh, the mandate they got months later, and will have as soon as ol’Rod offers a new mandate. The public is against Muller, Judges are against Muller, and as always happens with Muller, his case will be taken apart in court and tossed out, just like all of Mullers other cases. Look for this to happen by the 2020 election just before Trumps second term. Trumpkins really should thank Muller. He is trumps best campaign tool.

Yeah, right. Mueller was picked to head the investigation because he has a terrible track record. *Rolls eyes* I’m sure you’ve got proof of that.

You should come up for air before you drown in the Trump piss you’re guzzling

Here ya go.

As he investigates Trump's aides, Robert Mueller's record shows surprising flaws

Robert Mueller is a hothead who can't own up to his mistakes, former aides say

Here's a really bad sign for Robert Mueller

Comey, Mueller bungled big anthrax case together – Orange County Register

The FBI’s Pathetic Track Record on Terrorism

 

[Hutch Starskey]

That was never my contention, liar.



Mueller exceeded nothing, fool.

Prosecutors: Rosenstein gave Mueller OK to probe, indict Manafort

"The May 17, 2017 [appointment] order was worded categorically in order to permit its release without confirming specific investigations involving specific individuals," Rosenstein wrote in the Aug. 2, 2017 memo. "The following allegations were within the scope of the Investigation at the time of your appointment and are within the scope of the Order: ... Allegations that Paul Manafort: Committed a crime or crimes by colluding with Russian government officials with respect to the Russian government's efforts to interfere with the 2016 election for President of the United States, in violation of United States law. Committed a crime or crimes arising out of payments he received from the Ukrainian government before and during the tenure of President Viktor Yanukovych."

However, all the charges against Manifort concern actions from ove ten years ago, so they had nothing to do with Russian meddling in the election and were therefor out of bounds for the special counsel.

The AG determines what is out of bounds, dope. Not you, any judge or rw pundit has any say in the matter.

No, actually a judge makes that deterimination, dumbass.

Since when does the DOJ need to seek the approval of the courts to investigate someone or something? Since never.
The Attorney General determines the scope of their own investigations.

Since always. The DoJ can't get subpoenas or indictments or court dates without the approval of the court, and if it is established that Mueller opened the Manifort investigation the DoJ had formerly closed for lack of evidence just to pressure Manifort to give up some dirt on Trump, that is a fourth amendment violation and ethics charges can be brought against him. In fact, Manifort can sue to make the govenment pay all his legal expenses arising from this case.

The DOJ needs no permission to investigate people. Indicments come from federal prosecutors. Not judges.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Unfreaking real. Awesome development.

"You don't really care about Mr. Manafort's bank fraud," District Judge T.S. Ellis said to prosecutor Michael Dreeben, at times losing his temper. Ellis said prosecutors were interested in Manafort because of his potential to provide material that would lead to Trump's "prosecution or impeachment," Ellis said.

"That's what you're really interested in," said Ellis, who was appointed by President Ronald Reagan.

He repeated his suspicion several times in the hour-long court hearing."

Judge in Manafort case says Mueller's aim is to hurt Trump - CNNPolitics

Manafort is getting get out of jail free.
Cohen is getting off.
Flynn looks like he's going to walk.
Obstruction is weak even Hillary knows it won't work.
Mueller is 0-4.

Damn, after being bitch slapped twice by two different courts his career maker case is looking like a sinking ship thats about to take its captain with it.

You know what wishful thinking is?

Are you talking about collusion?

How long this investigation is going, fifteen months?

It all smacks of a typical Trump plan and drive them insane over months with a latter-day version of the Chinese water torture. A long slow push of minimal moves to achieve the maximum outcome.

The net result is that instead of the investigation delegitimizing Trump, it’s the investigation itself which has been deligitimised. Mueller has spent a year on a political goose chase and has come up with precisely nothing, especially within the given mandate. The result we have so far is a sign of how successful Trump’s strategy of dealing with the whole situation has been that he’s now begun to openly taunt Mueller and the investigation on social media, calling it a witch hunt. Mueller is desperate, and looking for some way out. The recent FBI raid he ordered on Trump’s attorney was a unique and brutal violation of any notion of client attorney privilege whether you were a special counsel or not.

To quote Newt Gingrich’s reaction to it: “Setting up a precedent that a prosecutor is allowed to dig into your life until finding a crime is a threat to the rule of law and a threat to every American.”

It was Mueller’s one last gasp attempt to get out of his dilemma by provoking Trump to fire him, which Trump won’t oblige him by doing, since he’s now got him exactly where he always planned to have him.

Not everyone is taking the leftist bait.

^ That judge is as retarded as the trumpers who post here.
Obviously if Rosenstein has set boundaries, it then cannot be " unfettered power" by any measure.

It's Rosenstein power that is unfettered, dunce.

He's the acting AG in this matter. The scope is his call and only his call. The judge's comment about unfettered power was in regard to Mueller, fool.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Collusion has never been the subject, dope.
If you're confused, it's your own fault.

dude, you're confused, I get it. everyday five to ten times a day a media outlet has stated that is the issue, even Congress put out a letter saying so. Not sure where the hell your head has been, other than your ass to make such a statement.

You're confused as usual. You said yourself collusion isn't a crime. Great, it's not.
The FBI and special counsels don't investigate non-crimes. Sooo....therefore the subject cannot be collusion then. Can it?

dude, I've always known collusion isn't a crime. tell that to Mueller.

Sure, but you've never taken the next logical step then to understand that the investigation is about potential criminality and not collusion.

What the fuck is "potential criminality?" Either laws were broken or they weren't. In the latter case, there's no excuse for the witch hunt.

That's what criminal investigations determine, dope.

 

[jc456]

Manafort is getting get out of jail free.
Cohen is getting off.
Flynn looks like he's going to walk.
Obstruction is weak even Hillary knows it won't work.
Mueller is 0-4.

Damn, after being bitch slapped twice by two different courts his career maker case is looking like a sinking ship thats about to take its captain with it.

You know what wishful thinking is?

Are you talking about collusion?

How long this investigation is going, fifteen months?

It all smacks of a typical Trump plan and drive them insane over months with a latter-day version of the Chinese water torture. A long slow push of minimal moves to achieve the maximum outcome.

The net result is that instead of the investigation delegitimizing Trump, it’s the investigation itself which has been deligitimised. Mueller has spent a year on a political goose chase and has come up with precisely nothing, especially within the given mandate. The result we have so far is a sign of how successful Trump’s strategy of dealing with the whole situation has been that he’s now begun to openly taunt Mueller and the investigation on social media, calling it a witch hunt. Mueller is desperate, and looking for some way out. The recent FBI raid he ordered on Trump’s attorney was a unique and brutal violation of any notion of client attorney privilege whether you were a special counsel or not.

To quote Newt Gingrich’s reaction to it: “Setting up a precedent that a prosecutor is allowed to dig into your life until finding a crime is a threat to the rule of law and a threat to every American.”

It was Mueller’s one last gasp attempt to get out of his dilemma by provoking Trump to fire him, which Trump won’t oblige him by doing, since he’s now got him exactly where he always planned to have him.

Not everyone is taking the leftist bait.

^ That judge is as retarded as the trumpers who post here.
Obviously if Rosenstein has set boundaries, it then cannot be " unfettered power" by any measure.

It's Rosenstein power that is unfettered, dunce.

He's the acting AG in this matter. The scope is his call and only his call. The judge's comment about unfettered power was in regard to Mueller, fool.

well it was at all of them exactly.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Please tell us what the crime is that they are investigating that prompted the Special Counsel... And is required by 24 CFR prior to seating it?

he won't tell you, instead he'll call you a goof for not knowing it. Yet collusion has been the subject for 13 months. so now it isn't. but we're now supposed to know they changed their minds and redirected to peter pan's neverland. and fk us for not knowing what the left is calling it today. amazing shit I tell ya.

Collusion has never been the subject, dope.
If you're confused, it's your own fault.

dude, you're confused, I get it. everyday five to ten times a day a media outlet has stated that is the issue, even Congress put out a letter saying so. Not sure where the hell your head has been, other than your ass to make such a statement.

You're confused as usual. You said yourself collusion isn't a crime. Great, it's not.
The FBI and special counsels don't investigate non-crimes. Sooo....therefore the subject cannot be collusion then. Can it?

Dumbasses like you have been saying it's about collusion for 16 months now.

In general discussion, dope. As a single term to reference the many relationships the Trump team had with Russians.

Like I said, if you don't understand the many nuances of the investigation itself and the reporting on it, then you either haven't been paying attention or are simply too dense to get it.Trump is probably the single biggest user of the word collusion. No doubt to further confuse his minions.