Boom!!!! Judge in Manafort case says Mueller only wants to hurt Trump

[tinydancer]

No, actually a judge makes that deterimination, dumbass.

Since when does the DOJ need to seek the approval of the courts to investigate someone or something? Since never.
The Attorney General determines the scope of their own investigations.

Since always. The DoJ can't get subpoenas or indictments or court dates without the approval of the court, and if it is established that Mueller opened the Manifort investigation the DoJ had formerly closed for lack of evidence just to pressure Manifort to give up some dirt on Trump, that is a fourth amendment violation and ethics charges can be brought against him. In fact, Manifort can sue to make the govenment pay all his legal expenses arising from this case.

The DOJ needs no permission to investigate people. Indicments come from federal prosecutors. Not judges.

Not true. The fourth amendment protects Americans from prosecutors who open investigations to harass people or to extort information from them, as is the case with Mueller's case against Manifort.

The investigation began because of Russian election interference and Trump's people are a part of that because of their many contacts with Russians during the campaign.

Lying about the nature of the investigation doesn't help your case.

But no investigation into the Clinton campaign and the DNC freaking PAYING a foreign agent to pay Russian informants to create a fairy tale dossier.



Oh no bias by Mueller there.

 

[toomuchtime_]

No, actually a judge makes that deterimination, dumbass.

Since when does the DOJ need to seek the approval of the courts to investigate someone or something? Since never.
The Attorney General determines the scope of their own investigations.

Since always. The DoJ can't get subpoenas or indictments or court dates without the approval of the court, and if it is established that Mueller opened the Manifort investigation the DoJ had formerly closed for lack of evidence just to pressure Manifort to give up some dirt on Trump, that is a fourth amendment violation and ethics charges can be brought against him. In fact, Manifort can sue to make the govenment pay all his legal expenses arising from this case.

The DOJ needs no permission to investigate people. Indicments come from federal prosecutors. Not judges.

Not true. The fourth amendment protects Americans from prosecutors who open investigations to harass people or to extort information from them, as is the case with Mueller's case against Manifort.

The investigation began because of Russian election interference and Trump's people are a part of that because of their many contacts with Russians during the campaign.

Lying about the nature of the investigation doesn't help your case.

The charges being brought against Manifort have nothing to do with the election or with any crimes Russia may have committed during it. Mueller clearly reopened a case the Justice Department had closed years before without any new evidence in the hope of harassing Manifort into producing some dirt on Trump, a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment and very clearly unethical conduct on the part of Mueller and Rosenstein.

 

[boedicca]

Since when does the DOJ need to seek the approval of the courts to investigate someone or something? Since never.
The Attorney General determines the scope of their own investigations.

Since always. The DoJ can't get subpoenas or indictments or court dates without the approval of the court, and if it is established that Mueller opened the Manifort investigation the DoJ had formerly closed for lack of evidence just to pressure Manifort to give up some dirt on Trump, that is a fourth amendment violation and ethics charges can be brought against him. In fact, Manifort can sue to make the govenment pay all his legal expenses arising from this case.

The DOJ needs no permission to investigate people. Indicments come from federal prosecutors. Not judges.

Not true. The fourth amendment protects Americans from prosecutors who open investigations to harass people or to extort information from them, as is the case with Mueller's case against Manifort.

The investigation began because of Russian election interference and Trump's people are a part of that because of their many contacts with Russians during the campaign.

Lying about the nature of the investigation doesn't help your case.

The charges being brought against Manifort have nothing to do with the election or with any crimes Russia may have committed during it. Mueller clearly reopened a case the Justice Department had closed years before without any new evidence in the hope of harassing Manifort into producing some dirt on Trump, a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment and very clearly unethical conduct on the part of Mueller and Rosenstein.

Mueller is channeling his Inner Beria. He is a totalitarian statist thug.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

yeah ok dude

Yup. So then speculate on Mullers big plan. Even if all go’s well for Muller (It ain’t) what is muller going to get trump for and how will he sell it to judges that are becoming hostile to him? Muller is getting sat down.

First, it’s ‘goes’

Second, judges aren’t being hostile toward Meuller; they’re doing their job. One judge wants to see proof that Meuller is within the scope of the investigation (which is easy to prove with Rosenstein’s mandate); and the other judge sided with defense on a discovery motion (which is pretty common).

Meuller isn’t going anywhere unless Trump has him fired. If he does that, he may as well resign.

Oh, the mandate they got months later, and will have as soon as ol’Rod offers a new mandate. The public is against Muller, Judges are against Muller, and as always happens with Muller, his case will be taken apart in court and tossed out, just like all of Mullers other cases. Look for this to happen by the 2020 election just before Trumps second term. Trumpkins really should thank Muller. He is trumps best campaign tool.

Memo was August AFTER the Stasi raid in July. It was CYA.

Months later than what?

The memo was sent in August and Manafort was indicted in October.

And?
What's the problem?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Since when does the DOJ need to seek the approval of the courts to investigate someone or something? Since never.
The Attorney General determines the scope of their own investigations.

Since always. The DoJ can't get subpoenas or indictments or court dates without the approval of the court, and if it is established that Mueller opened the Manifort investigation the DoJ had formerly closed for lack of evidence just to pressure Manifort to give up some dirt on Trump, that is a fourth amendment violation and ethics charges can be brought against him. In fact, Manifort can sue to make the govenment pay all his legal expenses arising from this case.

The DOJ needs no permission to investigate people. Indicments come from federal prosecutors. Not judges.

Not true. The fourth amendment protects Americans from prosecutors who open investigations to harass people or to extort information from them, as is the case with Mueller's case against Manifort.

The investigation began because of Russian election interference and Trump's people are a part of that because of their many contacts with Russians during the campaign.

Lying about the nature of the investigation doesn't help your case.

The investigation is because the Progs refuse to accept the will of the people and wish to punish us for not supporting them.

Liar.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Since when does the DOJ need to seek the approval of the courts to investigate someone or something? Since never.
The Attorney General determines the scope of their own investigations.

Since always. The DoJ can't get subpoenas or indictments or court dates without the approval of the court, and if it is established that Mueller opened the Manifort investigation the DoJ had formerly closed for lack of evidence just to pressure Manifort to give up some dirt on Trump, that is a fourth amendment violation and ethics charges can be brought against him. In fact, Manifort can sue to make the govenment pay all his legal expenses arising from this case.

The DOJ needs no permission to investigate people. Indicments come from federal prosecutors. Not judges.

Not true. The fourth amendment protects Americans from prosecutors who open investigations to harass people or to extort information from them, as is the case with Mueller's case against Manifort.

The investigation began because of Russian election interference and Trump's people are a part of that because of their many contacts with Russians during the campaign.

Lying about the nature of the investigation doesn't help your case.

But no investigation into the Clinton campaign and the DNC freaking PAYING a foreign agent to pay Russian informants to create a fairy tale dossier.



Oh no bias by Mueller there.

RW media is not your friend.

 

[iceberg]

Oh, the mandate they got months later, and will have as soon as ol’Rod offers a new mandate. The public is against Muller, Judges are against Muller, and as always happens with Muller, his case will be taken apart in court and tossed out, just like all of Mullers other cases. Look for this to happen by the 2020 election just before Trumps second term. Trumpkins really should thank Muller. He is trumps best campaign tool.

Yeah, right. Mueller was picked to head the investigation because he has a terrible track record. *Rolls eyes* I’m sure you’ve got proof of that.

You should come up for air before you drown in the Trump piss you’re guzzling

and i guess you got same type of proof of trump piss guzzling?

i didn't think so.

you're just an angry dude, dude. common sense left your life about the time the stockings went on i imagine.

Triggered!

Common sense left your life the day you voted for Donald — a serial cheater and liar with no morals.

this coming from someone who calls others piss guzzlers cause they don't like who they like.

when we have a world wide vote and vote in YOUR preferences as the ones correct for us all, please let me know. til then, others are free to disagree with you, as you are with them w/o the need to insult and make them feel less than human.

triggered? not really. just tired of angry people who seem to think the world is as angry as they are.

So we whistle past the graveyard while the vile human being trump lies for 2+ more years?

the other side had to do it while obama spied on everyone and beat up journalists.

there's a lot of rights we all share. always agreeing with who is president is not on that list now is it?

 

[boedicca]

Since always. The DoJ can't get subpoenas or indictments or court dates without the approval of the court, and if it is established that Mueller opened the Manifort investigation the DoJ had formerly closed for lack of evidence just to pressure Manifort to give up some dirt on Trump, that is a fourth amendment violation and ethics charges can be brought against him. In fact, Manifort can sue to make the govenment pay all his legal expenses arising from this case.

The DOJ needs no permission to investigate people. Indicments come from federal prosecutors. Not judges.

Not true. The fourth amendment protects Americans from prosecutors who open investigations to harass people or to extort information from them, as is the case with Mueller's case against Manifort.

The investigation began because of Russian election interference and Trump's people are a part of that because of their many contacts with Russians during the campaign.

Lying about the nature of the investigation doesn't help your case.

The investigation is because the Progs refuse to accept the will of the people and wish to punish us for not supporting them.

Liar.

You spelled LAIR wrong, you poor widdle pwoggie;

 

[iceberg]

No, actually a judge makes that deterimination, dumbass.

Since when does the DOJ need to seek the approval of the courts to investigate someone or something? Since never.
The Attorney General determines the scope of their own investigations.

Since always. The DoJ can't get subpoenas or indictments or court dates without the approval of the court, and if it is established that Mueller opened the Manifort investigation the DoJ had formerly closed for lack of evidence just to pressure Manifort to give up some dirt on Trump, that is a fourth amendment violation and ethics charges can be brought against him. In fact, Manifort can sue to make the govenment pay all his legal expenses arising from this case.

The DOJ needs no permission to investigate people. Indicments come from federal prosecutors. Not judges.

Not true. The fourth amendment protects Americans from prosecutors who open investigations to harass people or to extort information from them, as is the case with Mueller's case against Manifort.

The investigation began because of Russian election interference and Trump's people are a part of that because of their many contacts with Russians during the campaign.

Lying about the nature of the investigation doesn't help your case.

oh bullshit.

the "investigation" didn't start til the democrats lost the election. suddenly there was hell to pay.

 

[iceberg]

Since always. The DoJ can't get subpoenas or indictments or court dates without the approval of the court, and if it is established that Mueller opened the Manifort investigation the DoJ had formerly closed for lack of evidence just to pressure Manifort to give up some dirt on Trump, that is a fourth amendment violation and ethics charges can be brought against him. In fact, Manifort can sue to make the govenment pay all his legal expenses arising from this case.

The DOJ needs no permission to investigate people. Indicments come from federal prosecutors. Not judges.

Not true. The fourth amendment protects Americans from prosecutors who open investigations to harass people or to extort information from them, as is the case with Mueller's case against Manifort.

The investigation began because of Russian election interference and Trump's people are a part of that because of their many contacts with Russians during the campaign.

Lying about the nature of the investigation doesn't help your case.

But no investigation into the Clinton campaign and the DNC freaking PAYING a foreign agent to pay Russian informants to create a fairy tale dossier.



Oh no bias by Mueller there.

RW media is not your friend.

certainly does piss you off, huh?

the media in general caters to their "fanbase" - dangerous place to be but hey - keep pretending only 1 side does it.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Since when does the DOJ need to seek the approval of the courts to investigate someone or something? Since never.
The Attorney General determines the scope of their own investigations.

Since always. The DoJ can't get subpoenas or indictments or court dates without the approval of the court, and if it is established that Mueller opened the Manifort investigation the DoJ had formerly closed for lack of evidence just to pressure Manifort to give up some dirt on Trump, that is a fourth amendment violation and ethics charges can be brought against him. In fact, Manifort can sue to make the govenment pay all his legal expenses arising from this case.

The DOJ needs no permission to investigate people. Indicments come from federal prosecutors. Not judges.

Not true. The fourth amendment protects Americans from prosecutors who open investigations to harass people or to extort information from them, as is the case with Mueller's case against Manifort.

The investigation began because of Russian election interference and Trump's people are a part of that because of their many contacts with Russians during the campaign.

Lying about the nature of the investigation doesn't help your case.

The charges being brought against Manifort have nothing to do with the election or with any crimes Russia may have committed during it. Mueller clearly reopened a case the Justice Department had closed years before without any new evidence in the hope of harassing Manifort into producing some dirt on Trump, a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment and very clearly unethical conduct on the part of Mueller and Rosenstein.

That is absolute nonsense. You have no idea what evidence there is or isn't, when it was gathered or how it was gathered.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Since always. The DoJ can't get subpoenas or indictments or court dates without the approval of the court, and if it is established that Mueller opened the Manifort investigation the DoJ had formerly closed for lack of evidence just to pressure Manifort to give up some dirt on Trump, that is a fourth amendment violation and ethics charges can be brought against him. In fact, Manifort can sue to make the govenment pay all his legal expenses arising from this case.

The DOJ needs no permission to investigate people. Indicments come from federal prosecutors. Not judges.

Not true. The fourth amendment protects Americans from prosecutors who open investigations to harass people or to extort information from them, as is the case with Mueller's case against Manifort.

The investigation began because of Russian election interference and Trump's people are a part of that because of their many contacts with Russians during the campaign.

Lying about the nature of the investigation doesn't help your case.

The charges being brought against Manifort have nothing to do with the election or with any crimes Russia may have committed during it. Mueller clearly reopened a case the Justice Department had closed years before without any new evidence in the hope of harassing Manifort into producing some dirt on Trump, a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment and very clearly unethical conduct on the part of Mueller and Rosenstein.

That is absolute nonsense. You have no idea what evidence there is or isn't, when it was gathered or how it was gathered.

Of course we know. The case concerns activities that occurred 13 years ago and there is no way that in the course of investigating Russian interference in the election Mueller-Rosentein uncovered compelling evidence that the whole Justice Department had missed.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The DOJ needs no permission to investigate people. Indicments come from federal prosecutors. Not judges.

Not true. The fourth amendment protects Americans from prosecutors who open investigations to harass people or to extort information from them, as is the case with Mueller's case against Manifort.

The investigation began because of Russian election interference and Trump's people are a part of that because of their many contacts with Russians during the campaign.

Lying about the nature of the investigation doesn't help your case.

But no investigation into the Clinton campaign and the DNC freaking PAYING a foreign agent to pay Russian informants to create a fairy tale dossier.



Oh no bias by Mueller there.

RW media is not your friend.

certainly does piss you off, huh?

the media in general caters to their "fanbase" - dangerous place to be but hey - keep pretending only 1 side does it.

It's not difficult to see which is far worse.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The DOJ needs no permission to investigate people. Indicments come from federal prosecutors. Not judges.

Not true. The fourth amendment protects Americans from prosecutors who open investigations to harass people or to extort information from them, as is the case with Mueller's case against Manifort.

The investigation began because of Russian election interference and Trump's people are a part of that because of their many contacts with Russians during the campaign.

Lying about the nature of the investigation doesn't help your case.

The charges being brought against Manifort have nothing to do with the election or with any crimes Russia may have committed during it. Mueller clearly reopened a case the Justice Department had closed years before without any new evidence in the hope of harassing Manifort into producing some dirt on Trump, a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment and very clearly unethical conduct on the part of Mueller and Rosenstein.

That is absolute nonsense. You have no idea what evidence there is or isn't, when it was gathered or how it was gathered.

Of course we know. The case concerns activities that occurred 13 years ago and there is no way that in the course of investigating Russian interference in the election Mueller-Rosentein uncovered compelling evidence that the whole Justice Department had missed.

Again. You have absolutely no way to know that. I imagine quite a lot was recovered during the raid that no one had seen previously.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Since when does the DOJ need to seek the approval of the courts to investigate someone or something? Since never.
The Attorney General determines the scope of their own investigations.

Since always. The DoJ can't get subpoenas or indictments or court dates without the approval of the court, and if it is established that Mueller opened the Manifort investigation the DoJ had formerly closed for lack of evidence just to pressure Manifort to give up some dirt on Trump, that is a fourth amendment violation and ethics charges can be brought against him. In fact, Manifort can sue to make the govenment pay all his legal expenses arising from this case.

The DOJ needs no permission to investigate people. Indicments come from federal prosecutors. Not judges.

Not true. The fourth amendment protects Americans from prosecutors who open investigations to harass people or to extort information from them, as is the case with Mueller's case against Manifort.

The investigation began because of Russian election interference and Trump's people are a part of that because of their many contacts with Russians during the campaign.

Lying about the nature of the investigation doesn't help your case.

oh bullshit.

the "investigation" didn't start til the democrats lost the election. suddenly there was hell to pay.

July of 2016, liar.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Not true. The fourth amendment protects Americans from prosecutors who open investigations to harass people or to extort information from them, as is the case with Mueller's case against Manifort.

The investigation began because of Russian election interference and Trump's people are a part of that because of their many contacts with Russians during the campaign.

Lying about the nature of the investigation doesn't help your case.

The charges being brought against Manifort have nothing to do with the election or with any crimes Russia may have committed during it. Mueller clearly reopened a case the Justice Department had closed years before without any new evidence in the hope of harassing Manifort into producing some dirt on Trump, a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment and very clearly unethical conduct on the part of Mueller and Rosenstein.

That is absolute nonsense. You have no idea what evidence there is or isn't, when it was gathered or how it was gathered.

Of course we know. The case concerns activities that occurred 13 years ago and there is no way that in the course of investigating Russian interference in the election Mueller-Rosentein uncovered compelling evidence that the whole Justice Department had missed.

Again. You have absolutely no way to know that. I imagine quite a lot was recovered during the raid that no one had seen previously.

Well, while you imagine that, the judge has demanded all the unredacted documents related to the Manifort case to determine what the truth is.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The investigation began because of Russian election interference and Trump's people are a part of that because of their many contacts with Russians during the campaign.

Lying about the nature of the investigation doesn't help your case.

The charges being brought against Manifort have nothing to do with the election or with any crimes Russia may have committed during it. Mueller clearly reopened a case the Justice Department had closed years before without any new evidence in the hope of harassing Manifort into producing some dirt on Trump, a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment and very clearly unethical conduct on the part of Mueller and Rosenstein.

That is absolute nonsense. You have no idea what evidence there is or isn't, when it was gathered or how it was gathered.

Of course we know. The case concerns activities that occurred 13 years ago and there is no way that in the course of investigating Russian interference in the election Mueller-Rosentein uncovered compelling evidence that the whole Justice Department had missed.

Again. You have absolutely no way to know that. I imagine quite a lot was recovered during the raid that no one had seen previously.

Well, while you imagine that, the judge has demanded all the unredacted documents related to the Manifort case to determine what the truth is.

That is not what the judge asked for.

 

[jc456]

No, actually a judge makes that deterimination, dumbass.

Since when does the DOJ need to seek the approval of the courts to investigate someone or something? Since never.
The Attorney General determines the scope of their own investigations.

Since always. The DoJ can't get subpoenas or indictments or court dates without the approval of the court, and if it is established that Mueller opened the Manifort investigation the DoJ had formerly closed for lack of evidence just to pressure Manifort to give up some dirt on Trump, that is a fourth amendment violation and ethics charges can be brought against him. In fact, Manifort can sue to make the govenment pay all his legal expenses arising from this case.

The DOJ needs no permission to investigate people. Indicments come from federal prosecutors. Not judges.

Not true. The fourth amendment protects Americans from prosecutors who open investigations to harass people or to extort information from them, as is the case with Mueller's case against Manifort.

The investigation began because of Russian election interference and Trump's people are a part of that because of their many contacts with Russians during the campaign.

Lying about the nature of the investigation doesn't help your case.

how? how did someone come to that conclusion? The DNC server has never been looked at by the DOJ. you know this right? so how does one get a SC without actual evidence?

 

[Ame®icano]

Manafort is getting get out of jail free.
Cohen is getting off.
Flynn looks like he's going to walk.
Obstruction is weak even Hillary knows it won't work.
Mueller is 0-4.

Damn, after being bitch slapped twice by two different courts his career maker case is looking like a sinking ship thats about to take its captain with it.

You know what wishful thinking is?

Are you talking about collusion?

How long this investigation is going, fifteen months?

It all smacks of a typical Trump plan and drive them insane over months with a latter-day version of the Chinese water torture. A long slow push of minimal moves to achieve the maximum outcome.

The net result is that instead of the investigation delegitimizing Trump, it’s the investigation itself which has been deligitimised. Mueller has spent a year on a political goose chase and has come up with precisely nothing, especially within the given mandate. The result we have so far is a sign of how successful Trump’s strategy of dealing with the whole situation has been that he’s now begun to openly taunt Mueller and the investigation on social media, calling it a witch hunt. Mueller is desperate, and looking for some way out. The recent FBI raid he ordered on Trump’s attorney was a unique and brutal violation of any notion of client attorney privilege whether you were a special counsel or not.

To quote Newt Gingrich’s reaction to it: “Setting up a precedent that a prosecutor is allowed to dig into your life until finding a crime is a threat to the rule of law and a threat to every American.”

It was Mueller’s one last gasp attempt to get out of his dilemma by provoking Trump to fire him, which Trump won’t oblige him by doing, since he’s now got him exactly where he always planned to have him.

Not everyone is taking the leftist bait.

^ That judge is as retarded as the trumpers who post here.
Obviously if Rosenstein has set boundaries, it then cannot be " unfettered power" by any measure.

It's Rosenstein power that is unfettered, dunce.

He's the acting AG in this matter. The scope is his call and only his call. The judge's comment about unfettered power was in regard to Mueller, fool.

Mueller team claims their scope of investigation that came from Rosenstein is secret and unlimited and they do whatever they want. Rosenstien has no power to give scope broad as such.

 

[iceberg]

Not true. The fourth amendment protects Americans from prosecutors who open investigations to harass people or to extort information from them, as is the case with Mueller's case against Manifort.

The investigation began because of Russian election interference and Trump's people are a part of that because of their many contacts with Russians during the campaign.

Lying about the nature of the investigation doesn't help your case.

But no investigation into the Clinton campaign and the DNC freaking PAYING a foreign agent to pay Russian informants to create a fairy tale dossier.



Oh no bias by Mueller there.

RW media is not your friend.

certainly does piss you off, huh?

the media in general caters to their "fanbase" - dangerous place to be but hey - keep pretending only 1 side does it.

It's not difficult to see which is far worse.

far worse is defined by what you don't like.

you can't hold that ONLY to your views and standards and pretend anyone NOT with you is AGAINST you. that's just a stupid ass way to go through life, dude. CNN to me is the worst out there. they just flat make stuff up and ensure that ANYTHING going out fits their agenda. i just gave up on them long ago. now if you feel fox is going that great. i won't deny that at all cause i've not talked with you about the stories in question or why you view them as such. but i'm not going to say "my media is better than your media" when almost all media is fan-geared.

it's a sheer / utter refusal by you to see you're very much like those you proclaim to hate.