Boy...14, shoots man to death...in Britain..

[MyParentsAreProud]

Fewer Guns= Fewer murders

Demonstrated in every civilized nation

https://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Le...c=1&refRID=1CBVPR9P1JDFNKFYCV2B&tag=ff0d01-20

 

[Lewdog]

That's not how it works... cities don't create the laws on gun crimes.

Yeah.....the democrats those mayors get elected sure do......

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

l
felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

Ok, do you understand how laws are enacted in California and how it is different than the rest of the country?

Are you related to PoliticChic?

We have the same problem in Chicago...

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

Haha do you understand not a single thing you've posted supports your idea that the issue is related to Democratic cities. Cities don't make the laws that punish gun crimes.

Moron.....the democrats run those cities and control those courts...

Baltimore's yearlong war on 'trigger pullers' and illegal guns, by the numbers

Davis believes one reason is that those arrested for guns in the city aren't landing in prison for long periods of time.

-----------------

Possession of an illegal gun in Baltimore is a misdemeanor rather than a felony, which Davis unsuccessfully tried to change during the last General Assembly session.

--------------

That means 52 people with illegal guns were put behind bars for a total of 65 years — just over a year per person, on average.

---------

Davis said police currently have a list of 431 "trigger pullers" and have identified 566 trigger pullers since the war room's creation.

Of those identified as trigger pullers, 11 have been arrested for murder, 28 have been arrested for attempted murder, and 80 have been arrested for illegal possession of a firearm, he said. Also, 32 have been killed, and 52 others have been wounded in shootings.

"We're convinced that we're looking at the right people who are disproportionately responsible for violence in the city. It happens from time to time that there will be an outlier, but we are looking at the right people," Davis said.

"We know who they are. They're in the game, they're choosing not to leave the game, and they choose to carry a gun again and again and again, because they know there's not a significant consequence for carrying a gun.

"And those are the people we have to continue to focus on."
================

The Left’s Phony War on Guns, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

Chicago has Wild West levels of homicide.

(Worse, in fact; the criminality and violence of the ungoverned West has been greatly exaggerated, and some of those old cow towns had lower per capita crime rates back when they had no formal government than they do today.)

Do you know what kind of crime illegal possession of a firearm is in the state of Illinois?

It is a misdemeanor.

A 2014 study conducted by the Chicago Sun-Times found that in most cases, Cook County judges handed down the minimum sentence for gun possession, and in most cases, the criminals ended up serving far less than that, doing only a few months.

Those charged with simple possession had an average of four prior arrests; those charged with the more serious crime of being a felon in possession of a firearm had an average of ten previous arrests.
Ten arrests, and the eleventh is for a gun-related crime.
One wonders how many undetected crimes are covered by such criminal careers.
Many in Illinois have argued that, given the state of crime there, stiffer sentences are warranted.
A bill was introduced to that end, and it was opposed by Democrats who argued that stiffer sentences for those actually committing crimes with guns would “unfairly target African-Americans,” as the Sun-Times put it.
The NRA, to its discredit, opposed that bill, too, arguing that the penalties for simple possession in absence of other criminal activity were too stiff.
But that’s an argument for liberalizing Illinois gun laws, not for forgoing the punishment of criminals.
The NRA did support harsher punishment for felons in possession of firearms, and for the use of firearms in crimes. Democrats have generally opposed them.

Moron, cities don't create the criminal laws on guns.

 

[2aguy]

Yeah.....the democrats those mayors get elected sure do......

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

l
felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

Ok, do you understand how laws are enacted in California and how it is different than the rest of the country?

Are you related to PoliticChic?

We have the same problem in Chicago...

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

Haha do you understand not a single thing you've posted supports your idea that the issue is related to Democratic cities. Cities don't make the laws that punish gun crimes.

Moron.....the democrats run those cities and control those courts...

Baltimore's yearlong war on 'trigger pullers' and illegal guns, by the numbers

Davis believes one reason is that those arrested for guns in the city aren't landing in prison for long periods of time.

-----------------

Possession of an illegal gun in Baltimore is a misdemeanor rather than a felony, which Davis unsuccessfully tried to change during the last General Assembly session.

--------------

That means 52 people with illegal guns were put behind bars for a total of 65 years — just over a year per person, on average.

---------

Davis said police currently have a list of 431 "trigger pullers" and have identified 566 trigger pullers since the war room's creation.

Of those identified as trigger pullers, 11 have been arrested for murder, 28 have been arrested for attempted murder, and 80 have been arrested for illegal possession of a firearm, he said. Also, 32 have been killed, and 52 others have been wounded in shootings.

"We're convinced that we're looking at the right people who are disproportionately responsible for violence in the city. It happens from time to time that there will be an outlier, but we are looking at the right people," Davis said.

"We know who they are. They're in the game, they're choosing not to leave the game, and they choose to carry a gun again and again and again, because they know there's not a significant consequence for carrying a gun.

"And those are the people we have to continue to focus on."
================

The Left’s Phony War on Guns, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

Chicago has Wild West levels of homicide.

(Worse, in fact; the criminality and violence of the ungoverned West has been greatly exaggerated, and some of those old cow towns had lower per capita crime rates back when they had no formal government than they do today.)

Do you know what kind of crime illegal possession of a firearm is in the state of Illinois?

It is a misdemeanor.

A 2014 study conducted by the Chicago Sun-Times found that in most cases, Cook County judges handed down the minimum sentence for gun possession, and in most cases, the criminals ended up serving far less than that, doing only a few months.

Those charged with simple possession had an average of four prior arrests; those charged with the more serious crime of being a felon in possession of a firearm had an average of ten previous arrests.
Ten arrests, and the eleventh is for a gun-related crime.
One wonders how many undetected crimes are covered by such criminal careers.
Many in Illinois have argued that, given the state of crime there, stiffer sentences are warranted.
A bill was introduced to that end, and it was opposed by Democrats who argued that stiffer sentences for those actually committing crimes with guns would “unfairly target African-Americans,” as the Sun-Times put it.
The NRA, to its discredit, opposed that bill, too, arguing that the penalties for simple possession in absence of other criminal activity were too stiff.
But that’s an argument for liberalizing Illinois gun laws, not for forgoing the punishment of criminals.
The NRA did support harsher punishment for felons in possession of firearms, and for the use of firearms in crimes. Democrats have generally opposed them.

Moron, cities don't create the criminal laws on guns.

They create police policy toward criminals, and they effect elections for democrats who create gun policy....moron....

 

[Lewdog]

Ok, do you understand how laws are enacted in California and how it is different than the rest of the country?

Are you related to PoliticChic?

We have the same problem in Chicago...

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

Haha do you understand not a single thing you've posted supports your idea that the issue is related to Democratic cities. Cities don't make the laws that punish gun crimes.

Moron.....the democrats run those cities and control those courts...

Baltimore's yearlong war on 'trigger pullers' and illegal guns, by the numbers

Davis believes one reason is that those arrested for guns in the city aren't landing in prison for long periods of time.

-----------------

Possession of an illegal gun in Baltimore is a misdemeanor rather than a felony, which Davis unsuccessfully tried to change during the last General Assembly session.

--------------

That means 52 people with illegal guns were put behind bars for a total of 65 years — just over a year per person, on average.

---------

Davis said police currently have a list of 431 "trigger pullers" and have identified 566 trigger pullers since the war room's creation.

Of those identified as trigger pullers, 11 have been arrested for murder, 28 have been arrested for attempted murder, and 80 have been arrested for illegal possession of a firearm, he said. Also, 32 have been killed, and 52 others have been wounded in shootings.

"We're convinced that we're looking at the right people who are disproportionately responsible for violence in the city. It happens from time to time that there will be an outlier, but we are looking at the right people," Davis said.

"We know who they are. They're in the game, they're choosing not to leave the game, and they choose to carry a gun again and again and again, because they know there's not a significant consequence for carrying a gun.

"And those are the people we have to continue to focus on."
================

The Left’s Phony War on Guns, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

Chicago has Wild West levels of homicide.

(Worse, in fact; the criminality and violence of the ungoverned West has been greatly exaggerated, and some of those old cow towns had lower per capita crime rates back when they had no formal government than they do today.)

Do you know what kind of crime illegal possession of a firearm is in the state of Illinois?

It is a misdemeanor.

A 2014 study conducted by the Chicago Sun-Times found that in most cases, Cook County judges handed down the minimum sentence for gun possession, and in most cases, the criminals ended up serving far less than that, doing only a few months.

Those charged with simple possession had an average of four prior arrests; those charged with the more serious crime of being a felon in possession of a firearm had an average of ten previous arrests.
Ten arrests, and the eleventh is for a gun-related crime.
One wonders how many undetected crimes are covered by such criminal careers.
Many in Illinois have argued that, given the state of crime there, stiffer sentences are warranted.
A bill was introduced to that end, and it was opposed by Democrats who argued that stiffer sentences for those actually committing crimes with guns would “unfairly target African-Americans,” as the Sun-Times put it.
The NRA, to its discredit, opposed that bill, too, arguing that the penalties for simple possession in absence of other criminal activity were too stiff.
But that’s an argument for liberalizing Illinois gun laws, not for forgoing the punishment of criminals.
The NRA did support harsher punishment for felons in possession of firearms, and for the use of firearms in crimes. Democrats have generally opposed them.

Moron, cities don't create the criminal laws on guns.

They create police policy toward criminals, and they effect elections for democrats who create gun policy....moron....

You sure like to reach and make a lot of excuses.. especially on something you don't understand and can't just cut and paste.

You're wrong. Just deal with it.

 

[2aguy]

We have the same problem in Chicago...

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

Haha do you understand not a single thing you've posted supports your idea that the issue is related to Democratic cities. Cities don't make the laws that punish gun crimes.

Moron.....the democrats run those cities and control those courts...

Baltimore's yearlong war on 'trigger pullers' and illegal guns, by the numbers

Davis believes one reason is that those arrested for guns in the city aren't landing in prison for long periods of time.

-----------------

Possession of an illegal gun in Baltimore is a misdemeanor rather than a felony, which Davis unsuccessfully tried to change during the last General Assembly session.

--------------

That means 52 people with illegal guns were put behind bars for a total of 65 years — just over a year per person, on average.

---------

Davis said police currently have a list of 431 "trigger pullers" and have identified 566 trigger pullers since the war room's creation.

Of those identified as trigger pullers, 11 have been arrested for murder, 28 have been arrested for attempted murder, and 80 have been arrested for illegal possession of a firearm, he said. Also, 32 have been killed, and 52 others have been wounded in shootings.

"We're convinced that we're looking at the right people who are disproportionately responsible for violence in the city. It happens from time to time that there will be an outlier, but we are looking at the right people," Davis said.

"We know who they are. They're in the game, they're choosing not to leave the game, and they choose to carry a gun again and again and again, because they know there's not a significant consequence for carrying a gun.

"And those are the people we have to continue to focus on."
================

The Left’s Phony War on Guns, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

Chicago has Wild West levels of homicide.

(Worse, in fact; the criminality and violence of the ungoverned West has been greatly exaggerated, and some of those old cow towns had lower per capita crime rates back when they had no formal government than they do today.)

Do you know what kind of crime illegal possession of a firearm is in the state of Illinois?

It is a misdemeanor.

A 2014 study conducted by the Chicago Sun-Times found that in most cases, Cook County judges handed down the minimum sentence for gun possession, and in most cases, the criminals ended up serving far less than that, doing only a few months.

Those charged with simple possession had an average of four prior arrests; those charged with the more serious crime of being a felon in possession of a firearm had an average of ten previous arrests.
Ten arrests, and the eleventh is for a gun-related crime.
One wonders how many undetected crimes are covered by such criminal careers.
Many in Illinois have argued that, given the state of crime there, stiffer sentences are warranted.
A bill was introduced to that end, and it was opposed by Democrats who argued that stiffer sentences for those actually committing crimes with guns would “unfairly target African-Americans,” as the Sun-Times put it.
The NRA, to its discredit, opposed that bill, too, arguing that the penalties for simple possession in absence of other criminal activity were too stiff.
But that’s an argument for liberalizing Illinois gun laws, not for forgoing the punishment of criminals.
The NRA did support harsher punishment for felons in possession of firearms, and for the use of firearms in crimes. Democrats have generally opposed them.

Moron, cities don't create the criminal laws on guns.

They create police policy toward criminals, and they effect elections for democrats who create gun policy....moron....

You sure like to reach and make a lot of excuses.. especially on something you don't understand and can't just cut and paste.

You're wrong. Just deal with it.

Yes...I am wrong...Britain told their people....we will ban and confiscate guns, and it will eliminate gun crime and make our country less violent....

They did what their government asked...just like the Germans did in the 1920s......and allowed their only means for self defense to be taken away.

What did they get for this?

Their gun murder rate went up....104%.....10 years after the ban and confiscation. Their gun crime rate went up 89%...10 years after the ban and confiscation.....their violent crime rate...up 90% last year in some areas of Britain, and up 23% over all the country last year.....London...the nations capitol...is now more violent than New York City.......after they banned guns...and gun crime in London went up another 42% last year......

Gun control is a myth......criminals, on an island nation that banned and confiscated guns.....has gone up....and up....and up...

And the British are cutting their police numbers...they are cutting their police money and resources....and they are calling their police racists, and hamstringing them with stupid political correctness.........

So.....how long do you think they can keep their gun murder rates low when their gun crime rates are going through the roof? Eventually, they will hit their targets, and they will shoot to actually kill.......

moron.

 

[Lewdog]

Haha do you understand not a single thing you've posted supports your idea that the issue is related to Democratic cities. Cities don't make the laws that punish gun crimes.

Moron.....the democrats run those cities and control those courts...

Baltimore's yearlong war on 'trigger pullers' and illegal guns, by the numbers

Davis believes one reason is that those arrested for guns in the city aren't landing in prison for long periods of time.

-----------------

Possession of an illegal gun in Baltimore is a misdemeanor rather than a felony, which Davis unsuccessfully tried to change during the last General Assembly session.

--------------

That means 52 people with illegal guns were put behind bars for a total of 65 years — just over a year per person, on average.

---------

Davis said police currently have a list of 431 "trigger pullers" and have identified 566 trigger pullers since the war room's creation.

Of those identified as trigger pullers, 11 have been arrested for murder, 28 have been arrested for attempted murder, and 80 have been arrested for illegal possession of a firearm, he said. Also, 32 have been killed, and 52 others have been wounded in shootings.

"We're convinced that we're looking at the right people who are disproportionately responsible for violence in the city. It happens from time to time that there will be an outlier, but we are looking at the right people," Davis said.

"We know who they are. They're in the game, they're choosing not to leave the game, and they choose to carry a gun again and again and again, because they know there's not a significant consequence for carrying a gun.

"And those are the people we have to continue to focus on."
================

The Left’s Phony War on Guns, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

Chicago has Wild West levels of homicide.

(Worse, in fact; the criminality and violence of the ungoverned West has been greatly exaggerated, and some of those old cow towns had lower per capita crime rates back when they had no formal government than they do today.)

Do you know what kind of crime illegal possession of a firearm is in the state of Illinois?

It is a misdemeanor.

A 2014 study conducted by the Chicago Sun-Times found that in most cases, Cook County judges handed down the minimum sentence for gun possession, and in most cases, the criminals ended up serving far less than that, doing only a few months.

Those charged with simple possession had an average of four prior arrests; those charged with the more serious crime of being a felon in possession of a firearm had an average of ten previous arrests.
Ten arrests, and the eleventh is for a gun-related crime.
One wonders how many undetected crimes are covered by such criminal careers.
Many in Illinois have argued that, given the state of crime there, stiffer sentences are warranted.
A bill was introduced to that end, and it was opposed by Democrats who argued that stiffer sentences for those actually committing crimes with guns would “unfairly target African-Americans,” as the Sun-Times put it.
The NRA, to its discredit, opposed that bill, too, arguing that the penalties for simple possession in absence of other criminal activity were too stiff.
But that’s an argument for liberalizing Illinois gun laws, not for forgoing the punishment of criminals.
The NRA did support harsher punishment for felons in possession of firearms, and for the use of firearms in crimes. Democrats have generally opposed them.

Moron, cities don't create the criminal laws on guns.

They create police policy toward criminals, and they effect elections for democrats who create gun policy....moron....

You sure like to reach and make a lot of excuses.. especially on something you don't understand and can't just cut and paste.

You're wrong. Just deal with it.

Yes...I am wrong...Britain told their people....we will ban and confiscate guns, and it will eliminate gun crime and make our country less violent....

They did what their government asked...just like the Germans did in the 1920s......and allowed their only means for self defense to be taken away.

What did they get for this?

Their gun murder rate went up....104%.....10 years after the ban and confiscation. Their gun crime rate went up 89%...10 years after the ban and confiscation.....their violent crime rate...up 90% last year in some areas of Britain, and up 23% over all the country last year.....London...the nations capitol...is now more violent than New York City.......after they banned guns...and gun crime in London went up another 42% last year......

Gun control is a myth......criminals, on an island nation that banned and confiscated guns.....has gone up....and up....and up...

And the British are cutting their police numbers...they are cutting their police money and resources....and they are calling their police racists, and hamstringing them with stupid political correctness.........

So.....how long do you think they can keep their gun murder rates low when their gun crime rates are going through the roof? Eventually, they will hit their targets, and they will shoot to actually kill.......

moron.

You really are completely clueless.

Do you think there is only one factor that is part of crime rates?

 

[2aguy]

Moron.....the democrats run those cities and control those courts...

Baltimore's yearlong war on 'trigger pullers' and illegal guns, by the numbers

Davis believes one reason is that those arrested for guns in the city aren't landing in prison for long periods of time.

-----------------

Possession of an illegal gun in Baltimore is a misdemeanor rather than a felony, which Davis unsuccessfully tried to change during the last General Assembly session.

--------------

That means 52 people with illegal guns were put behind bars for a total of 65 years — just over a year per person, on average.

---------

Davis said police currently have a list of 431 "trigger pullers" and have identified 566 trigger pullers since the war room's creation.

Of those identified as trigger pullers, 11 have been arrested for murder, 28 have been arrested for attempted murder, and 80 have been arrested for illegal possession of a firearm, he said. Also, 32 have been killed, and 52 others have been wounded in shootings.

"We're convinced that we're looking at the right people who are disproportionately responsible for violence in the city. It happens from time to time that there will be an outlier, but we are looking at the right people," Davis said.

"We know who they are. They're in the game, they're choosing not to leave the game, and they choose to carry a gun again and again and again, because they know there's not a significant consequence for carrying a gun.

"And those are the people we have to continue to focus on."
================

The Left’s Phony War on Guns, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

Chicago has Wild West levels of homicide.

(Worse, in fact; the criminality and violence of the ungoverned West has been greatly exaggerated, and some of those old cow towns had lower per capita crime rates back when they had no formal government than they do today.)

Do you know what kind of crime illegal possession of a firearm is in the state of Illinois?

It is a misdemeanor.

A 2014 study conducted by the Chicago Sun-Times found that in most cases, Cook County judges handed down the minimum sentence for gun possession, and in most cases, the criminals ended up serving far less than that, doing only a few months.

Those charged with simple possession had an average of four prior arrests; those charged with the more serious crime of being a felon in possession of a firearm had an average of ten previous arrests.
Ten arrests, and the eleventh is for a gun-related crime.
One wonders how many undetected crimes are covered by such criminal careers.
Many in Illinois have argued that, given the state of crime there, stiffer sentences are warranted.
A bill was introduced to that end, and it was opposed by Democrats who argued that stiffer sentences for those actually committing crimes with guns would “unfairly target African-Americans,” as the Sun-Times put it.
The NRA, to its discredit, opposed that bill, too, arguing that the penalties for simple possession in absence of other criminal activity were too stiff.
But that’s an argument for liberalizing Illinois gun laws, not for forgoing the punishment of criminals.
The NRA did support harsher punishment for felons in possession of firearms, and for the use of firearms in crimes. Democrats have generally opposed them.

Moron, cities don't create the criminal laws on guns.

They create police policy toward criminals, and they effect elections for democrats who create gun policy....moron....

You sure like to reach and make a lot of excuses.. especially on something you don't understand and can't just cut and paste.

You're wrong. Just deal with it.

Yes...I am wrong...Britain told their people....we will ban and confiscate guns, and it will eliminate gun crime and make our country less violent....

They did what their government asked...just like the Germans did in the 1920s......and allowed their only means for self defense to be taken away.

What did they get for this?

Their gun murder rate went up....104%.....10 years after the ban and confiscation. Their gun crime rate went up 89%...10 years after the ban and confiscation.....their violent crime rate...up 90% last year in some areas of Britain, and up 23% over all the country last year.....London...the nations capitol...is now more violent than New York City.......after they banned guns...and gun crime in London went up another 42% last year......

Gun control is a myth......criminals, on an island nation that banned and confiscated guns.....has gone up....and up....and up...

And the British are cutting their police numbers...they are cutting their police money and resources....and they are calling their police racists, and hamstringing them with stupid political correctness.........

So.....how long do you think they can keep their gun murder rates low when their gun crime rates are going through the roof? Eventually, they will hit their targets, and they will shoot to actually kill.......

moron.

You really are completely clueless.

Do you think there is only one factor that is part of crime rates?

Since I have posted about single teenage mothers, the effects of World War 2 and European monarchies, the reduction of police forces and resources and the effects of the European welfare states on the creation of violent male sociopaths who are now increasing the violent crime rate, and the importation of 3rd world criminals who are increasing the violent crime rate....

It would seem to me you need to learn to fucking comprehend what you are reading.....

it is the morons like you who simply screech..."it's the guns, it's the guns," not us......we are the ones telling you over and over that it isn't guns that are the problem....moron.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The sillies are acting like GB, with a 800% less death by gun rate than America, is not succeeding.

They engage in the fallacy of pretending they know what they are talking about.

What you fail to grasp is that you morons say that less guns = less gun crime. Britain did this...they banned guns for law abiding people....and now they have more gun crime......you guys think you have a clever point by citing the murder rate, but that has nothing to do with guns...since our non gun murder rate for just empty hand murder is 656 people.....knives 1604.....

Their criminals do not cross the line and murder their victims...yet...that is changing, their homicide rate is going up...you can't have the increasing violent crime rate that they have and not have more murder......

What you fail to grasp is that 50 deaths in the UK is a success compared to 11000 in the US.

It has nothing to do with their gun control laws...since gun crime is increasing, not going down...which means..for a slow learner like yourself, that their criminals have more guns, not less....they are not using them to murder people...yet. Our non gun murder numbers are higher than their total murder numbers moron....

If we take your number, 50, as accurate.......then our murder rate is still higher than theirs.....without guns.....and you are taking a snapshot in time and thinking it is not going to change....and you are wrong...all of the ingredients are there for a massive violence wave in the U.K........and with that will come more murder...and more gun murder.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

Of course the number is accurate and informative, rather than the incredibly weak denials of the clueless gun right wing.

If there were far more guns, then there would be far more deaths.

 

[2aguy]

The sillies are acting like GB, with a 800% less death by gun rate than America, is not succeeding.

They engage in the fallacy of pretending they know what they are talking about.

What you fail to grasp is that you morons say that less guns = less gun crime. Britain did this...they banned guns for law abiding people....and now they have more gun crime......you guys think you have a clever point by citing the murder rate, but that has nothing to do with guns...since our non gun murder rate for just empty hand murder is 656 people.....knives 1604.....

Their criminals do not cross the line and murder their victims...yet...that is changing, their homicide rate is going up...you can't have the increasing violent crime rate that they have and not have more murder......

What you fail to grasp is that 50 deaths in the UK is a success compared to 11000 in the US.

It has nothing to do with their gun control laws...since gun crime is increasing, not going down...which means..for a slow learner like yourself, that their criminals have more guns, not less....they are not using them to murder people...yet. Our non gun murder numbers are higher than their total murder numbers moron....

If we take your number, 50, as accurate.......then our murder rate is still higher than theirs.....without guns.....and you are taking a snapshot in time and thinking it is not going to change....and you are wrong...all of the ingredients are there for a massive violence wave in the U.K........and with that will come more murder...and more gun murder.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

Of course the number is accurate and informative, rather than the incredibly weak denial.

If there were far more guns, then there would be far more deaths.

No...there wouldn't.....not yet anyway. The criminal underworld in Europe doesn't commit murder as easily or as often as American criminals do.....they have guns...as all of my links show...they just don't murder their victims...

Why is that so hard for you morons to understand...the guns don't make the decision in murder/not murder...the criminals do, since they control the guns...not the other way around.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your "nuh uh" denial is given the respect it deserves.

You have, yet again, failed with this issue.

You always will fail

 

[Lewdog]

Moron, cities don't create the criminal laws on guns.

They create police policy toward criminals, and they effect elections for democrats who create gun policy....moron....

You sure like to reach and make a lot of excuses.. especially on something you don't understand and can't just cut and paste.

You're wrong. Just deal with it.

Yes...I am wrong...Britain told their people....we will ban and confiscate guns, and it will eliminate gun crime and make our country less violent....

They did what their government asked...just like the Germans did in the 1920s......and allowed their only means for self defense to be taken away.

What did they get for this?

Their gun murder rate went up....104%.....10 years after the ban and confiscation. Their gun crime rate went up 89%...10 years after the ban and confiscation.....their violent crime rate...up 90% last year in some areas of Britain, and up 23% over all the country last year.....London...the nations capitol...is now more violent than New York City.......after they banned guns...and gun crime in London went up another 42% last year......

Gun control is a myth......criminals, on an island nation that banned and confiscated guns.....has gone up....and up....and up...

And the British are cutting their police numbers...they are cutting their police money and resources....and they are calling their police racists, and hamstringing them with stupid political correctness.........

So.....how long do you think they can keep their gun murder rates low when their gun crime rates are going through the roof? Eventually, they will hit their targets, and they will shoot to actually kill.......

moron.

You really are completely clueless.

Do you think there is only one factor that is part of crime rates?

Since I have posted about single teenage mothers, the effects of World War 2 and European monarchies, the reduction of police forces and resources and the effects of the European welfare states on the creation of violent male sociopaths who are now increasing the violent crime rate, and the importation of 3rd world criminals who are increasing the violent crime rate....

It would seem to me you need to learn to fucking comprehend what you are reading.....

it is the morons like you who simply screech..."it's the guns, it's the guns," not us......we are the ones telling you over and over that it isn't guns that are the problem....moron.

You post about all that, and then blame the rise in gun crime solely on tough gun laws.

What's that say about your reasoning skills?

 

[2aguy]

They create police policy toward criminals, and they effect elections for democrats who create gun policy....moron....

You sure like to reach and make a lot of excuses.. especially on something you don't understand and can't just cut and paste.

You're wrong. Just deal with it.

Yes...I am wrong...Britain told their people....we will ban and confiscate guns, and it will eliminate gun crime and make our country less violent....

They did what their government asked...just like the Germans did in the 1920s......and allowed their only means for self defense to be taken away.

What did they get for this?

Their gun murder rate went up....104%.....10 years after the ban and confiscation. Their gun crime rate went up 89%...10 years after the ban and confiscation.....their violent crime rate...up 90% last year in some areas of Britain, and up 23% over all the country last year.....London...the nations capitol...is now more violent than New York City.......after they banned guns...and gun crime in London went up another 42% last year......

Gun control is a myth......criminals, on an island nation that banned and confiscated guns.....has gone up....and up....and up...

And the British are cutting their police numbers...they are cutting their police money and resources....and they are calling their police racists, and hamstringing them with stupid political correctness.........

So.....how long do you think they can keep their gun murder rates low when their gun crime rates are going through the roof? Eventually, they will hit their targets, and they will shoot to actually kill.......

moron.

You really are completely clueless.

Do you think there is only one factor that is part of crime rates?

Since I have posted about single teenage mothers, the effects of World War 2 and European monarchies, the reduction of police forces and resources and the effects of the European welfare states on the creation of violent male sociopaths who are now increasing the violent crime rate, and the importation of 3rd world criminals who are increasing the violent crime rate....

It would seem to me you need to learn to fucking comprehend what you are reading.....

it is the morons like you who simply screech..."it's the guns, it's the guns," not us......we are the ones telling you over and over that it isn't guns that are the problem....moron.

You post about all that, and then blame the rise in gun crime solely on tough gun laws.

What's that say about your reasoning skills?

No....moron....your reading comprehension really, really, needs a lot of work....

I don't blame rising gun crime on tough gun laws....I state over and over that gun laws do not stop criminals from getting guns....and Britain shows that this is true. I also say that normal, law abiding people owning and carrying guns does not increase the gun crime rate...this is also true.

 

[Lewdog]

You sure like to reach and make a lot of excuses.. especially on something you don't understand and can't just cut and paste.

You're wrong. Just deal with it.

Yes...I am wrong...Britain told their people....we will ban and confiscate guns, and it will eliminate gun crime and make our country less violent....

They did what their government asked...just like the Germans did in the 1920s......and allowed their only means for self defense to be taken away.

What did they get for this?

Their gun murder rate went up....104%.....10 years after the ban and confiscation. Their gun crime rate went up 89%...10 years after the ban and confiscation.....their violent crime rate...up 90% last year in some areas of Britain, and up 23% over all the country last year.....London...the nations capitol...is now more violent than New York City.......after they banned guns...and gun crime in London went up another 42% last year......

Gun control is a myth......criminals, on an island nation that banned and confiscated guns.....has gone up....and up....and up...

And the British are cutting their police numbers...they are cutting their police money and resources....and they are calling their police racists, and hamstringing them with stupid political correctness.........

So.....how long do you think they can keep their gun murder rates low when their gun crime rates are going through the roof? Eventually, they will hit their targets, and they will shoot to actually kill.......

moron.

You really are completely clueless.

Do you think there is only one factor that is part of crime rates?

Since I have posted about single teenage mothers, the effects of World War 2 and European monarchies, the reduction of police forces and resources and the effects of the European welfare states on the creation of violent male sociopaths who are now increasing the violent crime rate, and the importation of 3rd world criminals who are increasing the violent crime rate....

It would seem to me you need to learn to fucking comprehend what you are reading.....

it is the morons like you who simply screech..."it's the guns, it's the guns," not us......we are the ones telling you over and over that it isn't guns that are the problem....moron.

You post about all that, and then blame the rise in gun crime solely on tough gun laws.

What's that say about your reasoning skills?

No....moron....your reading comprehension really, really, needs a lot of work....

I don't blame rising gun crime on tough gun laws....I state over and over that gun laws do not stop criminals from getting guns....and Britain shows that this is true. I also say that normal, law abiding people owning and carrying guns does not increase the gun crime rate...this is also true.

You are all over the place. Do you realize you blamed Democratic run cities for being soft on making laws for criminals who use guns... then you switch to policy after I point out that cities don't make the gun laws?

I'll tell you something. You keep making a thread for every gun crime committed in the UK, and I'll post two gun crimes in that thread that is committed in the U.S.

You're one of those stupid gun nutters that are worse than conspiracy nuts. You have zero rational thinking skills and worse yet, you can't interpret statistics correctly despite it being the crux of your argument.

 

[BULLDOG]

The UK is doing it right. We should be more like them.

Yeah...that school shooting incident....that is also a lie....if you actually track those down, they include gangs shooting at each other "near" schools, people committing suicide in school parking lots.....

The anti gunners always lie......

You can argue numbers all you want. We kill massively more per capita than they do. You can't see that?

It doesn't matter.....they banned guns, they confiscated guns...their gun crime rate is going up....their gun murder rate went up.....their criminals have guns, they simply choose not to use them to murder their victims. That is a cultural issue, not a gun issue since they have the guns.....

I put this to World War 2 and their class system impacting their culture...but that is now changing...as are their police practices......

12,570 GUN DEATHS vs 30 GUN DEATHS matters. Are you nuts?

No.....you still don't get it...their criminals are not committing murder.......they have guns.....the gun laws in Britain are not stopping them from getting guns, so how many people they murder is not a question of access to guns...

Our non gun murder rate is higher than their gun murder rate so it is not a matter of guns but a matter of our criminals willing to cross the line and kill......

Please...try to actually use your brain, I know when it comes to guns you turn your brain off, but for the sake of our debates, please engage your brain.

Crime in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

 

[ph3iron]

The sillies are acting like GB, with a 800% less death by gun rate than America, is not succeeding.

They engage in the fallacy of pretending they know what they are talking about.

What you fail to grasp is that you morons say that less guns = less gun crime. Britain did this...they banned guns for law abiding people....and now they have more gun crime......you guys think you have a clever point by citing the murder rate, but that has nothing to do with guns...since our non gun murder rate for just empty hand murder is 656 people.....knives 1604.....

Their criminals do not cross the line and murder their victims...yet...that is changing, their homicide rate is going up...you can't have the increasing violent crime rate that they have and not have more murder......

What you fail to grasp is that 50 deaths in the UK is a success compared to 11000 in the US.

It has nothing to do with their gun control laws...since gun crime is increasing, not going down...which means..for a slow learner like yourself, that their criminals have more guns, not less....they are not using them to murder people...yet. Our non gun murder numbers are higher than their total murder numbers moron....

If we take your number, 50, as accurate.......then our murder rate is still higher than theirs.....without guns.....and you are taking a snapshot in time and thinking it is not going to change....and you are wrong...all of the ingredients are there for a massive violence wave in the U.K........and with that will come more murder...and more gun murder.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4



knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

Having a "discussion" with a Liberal!
You may as well have a "discussion" with a dummy in a store window.
Too much Liberal adrenaline disrupts their brain waves.

Sounds you are so thick you don't know the def of liberal
No Latin in college?
No college?
Do tell.
Anyone who thinks the uk has a higher crime future than the USA has to be suspect.
All the old white farts do is quote moron,
Sad really

 

[ph3iron]

Yeah...that school shooting incident....that is also a lie....if you actually track those down, they include gangs shooting at each other "near" schools, people committing suicide in school parking lots.....

The anti gunners always lie......

You can argue numbers all you want. We kill massively more per capita than they do. You can't see that?

It doesn't matter.....they banned guns, they confiscated guns...their gun crime rate is going up....their gun murder rate went up.....their criminals have guns, they simply choose not to use them to murder their victims. That is a cultural issue, not a gun issue since they have the guns.....

I put this to World War 2 and their class system impacting their culture...but that is now changing...as are their police practices......

12,570 GUN DEATHS vs 30 GUN DEATHS matters. Are you nuts?

No.....you still don't get it...their criminals are not committing murder.......they have guns.....the gun laws in Britain are not stopping them from getting guns, so how many people they murder is not a question of access to guns...

Our non gun murder rate is higher than their gun murder rate so it is not a matter of guns but a matter of our criminals willing to cross the line and kill......

Please...try to actually use your brain, I know when it comes to guns you turn your brain off, but for the sake of our debates, please engage your brain.

Crime in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Quit showing data, our Chicago thug theorists don't know that Chicago is way down as a murder city.
Memphis? St. Louis?
They have no idea how to research.
London has 40 gun deaths?
1000 gun crimes?
A crime there is being caught with one.
I guess they don't have access to BBC documentaries.
Brighton police went nuts trying to catch ONE gun owner.
Our gun nuts won't accept our USA was founded by convicts religious zealots and slave owners.
Violent genes.
Guns make us feel more like men, especially us old white farts

 

[JakeStarkey]

The sillies are acting like GB, with a 800% less death by gun rate than America, is not succeeding.

They engage in the fallacy of pretending they know what they are talking about.

What you fail to grasp is that you morons say that less guns = less gun crime. Britain did this...they banned guns for law abiding people....and now they have more gun crime......you guys think you have a clever point by citing the murder rate, but that has nothing to do with guns...since our non gun murder rate for just empty hand murder is 656 people.....knives 1604.....

Their criminals do not cross the line and murder their victims...yet...that is changing, their homicide rate is going up...you can't have the increasing violent crime rate that they have and not have more murder......

What you fail to grasp is that 50 deaths in the UK is a success compared to 11000 in the US.

It has nothing to do with their gun control laws...since gun crime is increasing, not going down...which means..for a slow learner like yourself, that their criminals have more guns, not less....they are not using them to murder people...yet. Our non gun murder numbers are higher than their total murder numbers moron....

If we take your number, 50, as accurate.......then our murder rate is still higher than theirs.....without guns.....and you are taking a snapshot in time and thinking it is not going to change....and you are wrong...all of the ingredients are there for a massive violence wave in the U.K........and with that will come more murder...and more gun murder.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4



knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

Having a "discussion" with a Liberal!
You may as well have a "discussion" with a dummy in a store window.
Too much Liberal adrenaline disrupts their brain waves.

Sounds you are so thick you don't know the def of liberal
No Latin in college?
No college?
Do tell.
Anyone who thinks the uk has a higher crime future than the USA has to be suspect.
All the old white farts do is quote moron,
Sad really

When a poster ad homs, they admit they have nothing else and are simply fail. I agree with your point, but not the way you do it.

 

[Rustic]

The UK is doing it right. We should be more like them.

2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America

Firearms do not kill people, people kill people.
Firearms have no control over people. Dipshit

 

[Rustic]

So children.....the lesson is....If you can't stop ALL gun crime, you shouldn't try to stop any

Criminal control not gun control, firearms have no control over people. Dipshit

 

[Rustic]

The UK is doing it right. We should be more like them.

Yeah...that school shooting incident....that is also a lie....if you actually track those down, they include gangs shooting at each other "near" schools, people committing suicide in school parking lots.....

The anti gunners always lie......

You can argue numbers all you want. We kill massively more per capita than they do. You can't see that?

2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America

Progressive areas of the country are the most violent, similar too...