Boy...14, shoots man to death...in Britain..

[ph3iron]

Based on statistics. Yes statistics,

The UK has 0.07 acts of violent gun deaths per 100,000 residents compared to 3.85 acts of violent gun deaths in the U.S. per 100,000 people.

Now that is a stat that matters, and shows just how ridiculous your threads are.

Gun Violence: How The U.S. Compares With Other Countries

Let me also fill you in on a little something about statistics that obviously is beyond your grasp. When you start with such a low number, and it goes up even a VERY small amount, the percent increased is going to be disproportional than if you start with a high number and it increases.

Let me give an example, because I highly doubt you will be able to grasp it without one.

If you start with a number like 2, and the next year it goes up to 3, you are going to have a 50% increase... despite the fact you still only had 3 acts.

Now if you start out with 100 and the number goes up by 10, you only have a 10% increase.

So which group is doing the better job? The one with the 50% increase or the one with the 10% increase? Can you understand that the percentages you are using are not vindictive of what's actually going on?

No....you have to hide the fact...

Britain banned and confiscated guns...their gun crime rate went up, and continues to go up...

We bought more guns and carry them...our gun crime rate went down 75%....

You don't know what you are talking about....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

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as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

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Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

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London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

So again you can't actually understand how stats work.

...and you can't understand that there are other factors that can contribute to an increase in a statistic, especially one that involves crime.

You are one lost soul. Sadly I can't figure out if you are just a misguided gun-nutter, a troll, or just too stupid to understand how stats work.

Yep.....you have to hide the fact that banning guns in Britain didn't lower the gun crime rate...it increased it...and it also increased the violent crime rate against unarmed people.......London experienced a 42% increase in gun crime last year.....and gun crime went up 89% ten years after the ban....and now London is more violent than New York city.....

While our crime rates are going down...as more people own and carry guns...

A hard truth for you guys...but it is still the truth.

No, you don't understand... well obviously anything.

If you have 1 brain cell and after a year you have 2, are you smarter than a person that had 1,000 and gained one over that same year?

That is a 100% increase to me but then you have more college than I.
Instead of blabbing multicolored Thomes I'm just trying to point out that quoting % is stupid and misleading. Can you keep it to actual numbers?
As is "violent crime"
That's bashing someone over the head with a pint glass at closing time there.
Here ???
If you have ever done any real research you would know you spend years comparing pro and con arguments.
Not you, all from one made up mind side
Do you really believe that the data say in Germany where the deaths falling out of a bathtub are the same as gun deaths.?
My god, there are prob more gun deaths in philly than the uk.
And philly isn't the most violent us city although it's spewed all the time.
Look up the deaths in confederate cities, but I guess they are all from black thugs in your mind.
Or the deaths from kids under 10 who shoot relatives
I leave you with the Tennessee white boy who dismembered his parent.
Omg, a teenager dismembered his parents?

 

[BULLDOG]

Proof?

Column: Gun-free zones provide false sense of security

Preventing the next attack: Why gun-free zones don't work and combat profiling does

A Look at the Facts on Gun-Free Zones

Which of the three propaganda pieces do you think proves that "In America gun free zones are the most gun violent."?

I didn't post any propaganda pieces.

You didn't post any proof that "In America gun free zones are the most gun violent." either.

No...he pointed out that mass public shootings happen in gun free zones....

And then you can look at cities with the strictest gun control...and the higher level of crime and gun murder...

So you admit that his ludicrous claim that gun free zones are the most gun violent was just another right wing lie?

 

[Lewdog]

Based on statistics. Yes statistics,

The UK has 0.07 acts of violent gun deaths per 100,000 residents compared to 3.85 acts of violent gun deaths in the U.S. per 100,000 people.

Now that is a stat that matters, and shows just how ridiculous your threads are.

Gun Violence: How The U.S. Compares With Other Countries

Let me also fill you in on a little something about statistics that obviously is beyond your grasp. When you start with such a low number, and it goes up even a VERY small amount, the percent increased is going to be disproportional than if you start with a high number and it increases.

Let me give an example, because I highly doubt you will be able to grasp it without one.

If you start with a number like 2, and the next year it goes up to 3, you are going to have a 50% increase... despite the fact you still only had 3 acts.

Now if you start out with 100 and the number goes up by 10, you only have a 10% increase.

So which group is doing the better job? The one with the 50% increase or the one with the 10% increase? Can you understand that the percentages you are using are not vindictive of what's actually going on?

No....you have to hide the fact...

Britain banned and confiscated guns...their gun crime rate went up, and continues to go up...

We bought more guns and carry them...our gun crime rate went down 75%....

You don't know what you are talking about....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

-----


as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

-------

Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

==============

London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

So again you can't actually understand how stats work.

...and you can't understand that there are other factors that can contribute to an increase in a statistic, especially one that involves crime.

You are one lost soul. Sadly I can't figure out if you are just a misguided gun-nutter, a troll, or just too stupid to understand how stats work.

Yep.....you have to hide the fact that banning guns in Britain didn't lower the gun crime rate...it increased it...and it also increased the violent crime rate against unarmed people.......London experienced a 42% increase in gun crime last year.....and gun crime went up 89% ten years after the ban....and now London is more violent than New York city.....

While our crime rates are going down...as more people own and carry guns...

A hard truth for you guys...but it is still the truth.

No, you don't understand... well obviously anything.

If you have 1 brain cell and after a year you have 2, are you smarter than a person that had 1,000 and gained one over that same year?

That is a 100% increase to me but then you have more college than I.
Instead of blabbing multicolored Thomes I'm just trying to point out that quoting % is stupid and misleading. Can you keep it to actual numbers?
As is "violent crime"
That's bashing someone over the head with a pint glass at closing time there.
Here ???
If you have ever done any real research you would know you spend years comparing pro and con arguments.
Not you, all from one made up mind side
Do you really believe that the data say in Germany where the deaths falling out of a bathtub are the same as gun deaths.?
My god, there are prob more gun deaths in philly than the uk.
And philly isn't the most violent us city although it's spewed all the time.
Look up the deaths in confederate cities, but I guess they are all from black thugs in your mind.
Or the deaths from kids under 10 who shoot relatives
I leave you with the Tennessee white boy who dismembered his parent.
Omg, a teenager dismembered his parents?

Are you talking to me? I'm totally lost.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The UK is doing it right. We should be more like them.

Yeah...that school shooting incident....that is also a lie....if you actually track those down, they include gangs shooting at each other "near" schools, people committing suicide in school parking lots.....

The anti gunners always lie......

You can argue numbers all you want. We kill massively more per capita than they do. You can't see that?

It doesn't matter.....they banned guns, they confiscated guns...their gun crime rate is going up....their gun murder rate went up.....their criminals have guns, they simply choose not to use them to murder their victims. That is a cultural issue, not a gun issue since they have the guns.....

I put this to World War 2 and their class system impacting their culture...but that is now changing...as are their police practices......

Yep.

 

[ph3iron]

But...they banned and confiscated guns....and then their gun crime went up 89% and their gun murder rate went up 104%.....and is still going up, along with their violent crime rate....London is now more violent than New York city.......

And which British gun control law kept this 14 year old from going to his school and murdering more people?

Dumb luck and a lack of follow through does not mean your gun control laws work....

Boy, 14, held over gunshot death of man killed 'during bullying chat'

To be fair, you should start also making a completely new thread every time someone is shot and killed in the U.S. Good luck with that.

Democrats shoot too many people in our democrat cities to do that.......and the reason I keep posting about Britain...they banned and confiscated guns...and their gun crime rate went up, not down...

We have more people who own and carry guns...and our gun crime rate went down 75%....

See the difference?

No, the only thing I see here is you making post after post of singular events in Great Britain like it proves some kind of point.

That's not how stats work.

Fact is you won't present every single instance of gun violence in the U.S. because it would show how big of a fucking stupid argument you have is.

Proof you know your argument is shit, is that when pressed on the issue to provide more evidence, you simply make excuses as to why the data doesn't fit your narrative.

I posted the crime stats from Britain over and over, which show gun crime increasing and increasing..after they banned guns....you can call it shit...but it is their truth, their facts and their reality....

Taking guns away from people who are not criminals does not lower the crime rate..or the gun crime rate.....

Increasing from a rate WAY below ours.
Also you don't seem to know (as well as the difference between an adjective and a noun) the principle of false equivalency.
There is no way of getting stats if they had not banned guns. It may have been higher.
Same principle as moaning about the dept of education. No way of knowing what it would have been like w/o one.
Go to the uk, the people laugh at uneducated ugly Americans

 

[ph3iron]

But...they banned and confiscated guns....and then their gun crime went up 89% and their gun murder rate went up 104%.....and is still going up, along with their violent crime rate....London is now more violent than New York city.......

And which British gun control law kept this 14 year old from going to his school and murdering more people?

Dumb luck and a lack of follow through does not mean your gun control laws work....

Boy, 14, held over gunshot death of man killed 'during bullying chat'

Such stupidity. A teenager killed 2 in phila last weekend
Always % s, never numbers.
You can't believe the uk has more gun deaths than us??
Prob went from 1 to 2, that's 100%
Stupidity

You guys refuse to understand what is happening there......but don't worry......what you feel isn't important...it is going to happen wether you want it to or not....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

-----


as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

-------

Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

==============

London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

So how many gun deaths in NY v's London? Do tell

 

[HenryBHough]

Obvious hoax thread.

Britain has gun control that is the stuff of the left's wettest of dreams.

Nobody has a gun.

Nobody could be killed by a gun in Britain.

Ain't that right, Tainted Tommy????

 

[ph3iron]

Obvious hoax thread.

Britain has gun control that is the stuff of the left's wettest of dreams.

Nobody has a gun.

Nobody could be killed by a gun in Britain.

Ain't that right, Tainted Tommy????

Hey, our white old fart gun nuts say there are thousands, crime rocketing although the other side (unknown to our brave boys) says not
Is violent crime on the rise – or do the latest figures mask a different story? | Simon Jenkins
How many gun deaths were there in London last year?
TtWELVE ???

 

[The Irish Ram]

Our violent gun crimes have dropped by 50%. That decline was not due to confiscating our guns. Which means you need to look elsewhere for the cause of violence.
Then ponder why the UN is pushing for the disarming of Hemisphere 1....

It was not due to confiscation or more guns

It was due to the end of drug wars in the 90s

Sorry...that isn't what you and the other anti gunners say......you say more guns = more gun crime...that didn't happen here in the states...and in Britain, less guns = more gun crime...so you are just wrong....

The United States:

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


Britain:

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




-------

Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

-----


as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

-------

Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

==============

London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

Read that over again Libs, and then tell me why you still believe the opposite of that is true. What do you do with factual information?
Stop doing what you are told and grow some common sense brain cells.

 

[rightwinger]

Proof?

Column: Gun-free zones provide false sense of security

Preventing the next attack: Why gun-free zones don't work and combat profiling does

A Look at the Facts on Gun-Free Zones

Should a bar be a gun free zone?
How about a sporting event?

No place should be a gun free zone unless you want a mass shooting to take place there.

Mass gun shooting tend to only happen in gun free zones.

Really?

So you want 80,000 enraged football fans fully armed
You want a bunch of drunks armed and ready to resolve any conflict

You are an asshole

 

[rightwinger]

So children.....the lesson is....If you can't stop ALL gun crime, you shouldn't try to stop any

No...the lesson is to focus on people who actually commit violent crime and put them in jail for 30 years....the democrats keep letting violent gun offenders back on the street, and then use their gun crime to demand taking guns away from normal people....

We have more people in prison than any other nation

We also have the highest homicide rate among industrialized countries

 

[TheOldSchool]

But...they banned and confiscated guns....and then their gun crime went up 89% and their gun murder rate went up 104%.....and is still going up, along with their violent crime rate....London is now more violent than New York city.......

And which British gun control law kept this 14 year old from going to his school and murdering more people?

Dumb luck and a lack of follow through does not mean your gun control laws work....

Boy, 14, held over gunshot death of man killed 'during bullying chat'

What’s the murder rate in Britain?

You guys always go to that after I show that after banning guns and confiscating them, their gun crime rate went up. Culturally, their criminals, who have guns, don't use them to commit murder...everything else, just not murder....but that too is changing.

Lately you've been pointing out that as the number of guns in Britain increases, the number of gun crimes are going up.

 

[rightwinger]

But...they banned and confiscated guns....and then their gun crime went up 89% and their gun murder rate went up 104%.....and is still going up, along with their violent crime rate....London is now more violent than New York city.......

And which British gun control law kept this 14 year old from going to his school and murdering more people?

Dumb luck and a lack of follow through does not mean your gun control laws work....

Boy, 14, held over gunshot death of man killed 'during bullying chat'

What’s the murder rate in Britain?

You guys always go to that after I show that after banning guns and confiscating them, their gun crime rate went up. Culturally, their criminals, who have guns, don't use them to commit murder...everything else, just not murder....but that too is changing.

Lately you've been pointing out that as the number of guns in Britain increases, the number of gun crimes are going up.

Regardless of 2aguys rants

We still have four times the murder rate as UK

 

[MyParentsAreProud]

And then you can look at cities with the strictest gun control...and the higher level of crime and gun murder...

So you admit that his ludicrous claim that gun free zones are the most gun violent was just another right wing lie?

It has been proven, you just choose to ignore it.

Mass shooters choose gun free zones because they want to shoot as many people as they can without getting shot. Why is it that mass shooters can figure that simple fact out but you can't?

 

[MyParentsAreProud]

So you want 80,000 enraged football fans fully armed
You want a bunch of drunks armed and ready to resolve any conflict

You are an asshole

No, the assholes are the ones who want people to be fish in a barrel instead of being able to protect themselves.

 

[2aguy]

The UK is doing it right. We should be more like them.

Yeah...that school shooting incident....that is also a lie....if you actually track those down, they include gangs shooting at each other "near" schools, people committing suicide in school parking lots.....

The anti gunners always lie......

You can argue numbers all you want. We kill massively more per capita than they do. You can't see that?

It doesn't matter.....they banned guns, they confiscated guns...their gun crime rate is going up....their gun murder rate went up.....their criminals have guns, they simply choose not to use them to murder their victims. That is a cultural issue, not a gun issue since they have the guns.....

I put this to World War 2 and their class system impacting their culture...but that is now changing...as are their police practices......

12,570 GUN DEATHS vs 30 GUN DEATHS matters. Are you nuts?

No.....you still don't get it...their criminals are not committing murder.......they have guns.....the gun laws in Britain are not stopping them from getting guns, so how many people they murder is not a question of access to guns...

Our non gun murder rate is higher than their gun murder rate so it is not a matter of guns but a matter of our criminals willing to cross the line and kill......

Please...try to actually use your brain, I know when it comes to guns you turn your brain off, but for the sake of our debates, please engage your brain.

 

[2aguy]

The sillies are acting like GB, with a 800% less death by gun rate than America, is not succeeding.

They engage in the fallacy of pretending they know what they are talking about.

What you fail to grasp is that you morons say that less guns = less gun crime. Britain did this...they banned guns for law abiding people....and now they have more gun crime......you guys think you have a clever point by citing the murder rate, but that has nothing to do with guns...since our non gun murder rate for just empty hand murder is 656 people.....knives 1604.....

Their criminals do not cross the line and murder their victims...yet...that is changing, their homicide rate is going up...you can't have the increasing violent crime rate that they have and not have more murder......

 

[rightwinger]

So you want 80,000 enraged football fans fully armed
You want a bunch of drunks armed and ready to resolve any conflict

You are an asshole

No, the assholes are the ones who want people to be fish in a barrel instead of being able to protect themselves.

Why do you live in fear?

 

[2aguy]

In democrat cities..where they keep letting violent gun offenders back on the street as an act of social justice...yes.

That's not how it works... cities don't create the laws on gun crimes.

Yeah.....the democrats those mayors get elected sure do......

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

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felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

Ok, do you understand how laws are enacted in California and how it is different than the rest of the country?

Are you related to PoliticChic?

We have the same problem in Chicago...

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

Haha do you understand not a single thing you've posted supports your idea that the issue is related to Democratic cities. Cities don't make the laws that punish gun crimes.

Moron.....the democrats run those cities and control those courts...

Baltimore's yearlong war on 'trigger pullers' and illegal guns, by the numbers

Davis believes one reason is that those arrested for guns in the city aren't landing in prison for long periods of time.

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Possession of an illegal gun in Baltimore is a misdemeanor rather than a felony, which Davis unsuccessfully tried to change during the last General Assembly session.

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That means 52 people with illegal guns were put behind bars for a total of 65 years — just over a year per person, on average.

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Davis said police currently have a list of 431 "trigger pullers" and have identified 566 trigger pullers since the war room's creation.

Of those identified as trigger pullers, 11 have been arrested for murder, 28 have been arrested for attempted murder, and 80 have been arrested for illegal possession of a firearm, he said. Also, 32 have been killed, and 52 others have been wounded in shootings.

"We're convinced that we're looking at the right people who are disproportionately responsible for violence in the city. It happens from time to time that there will be an outlier, but we are looking at the right people," Davis said.

"We know who they are. They're in the game, they're choosing not to leave the game, and they choose to carry a gun again and again and again, because they know there's not a significant consequence for carrying a gun.

"And those are the people we have to continue to focus on."
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The Left’s Phony War on Guns, by Kevin D. Williamson, National Review

Chicago has Wild West levels of homicide.

(Worse, in fact; the criminality and violence of the ungoverned West has been greatly exaggerated, and some of those old cow towns had lower per capita crime rates back when they had no formal government than they do today.)

Do you know what kind of crime illegal possession of a firearm is in the state of Illinois?

It is a misdemeanor.

A 2014 study conducted by the Chicago Sun-Times found that in most cases, Cook County judges handed down the minimum sentence for gun possession, and in most cases, the criminals ended up serving far less than that, doing only a few months.

Those charged with simple possession had an average of four prior arrests; those charged with the more serious crime of being a felon in possession of a firearm had an average of ten previous arrests.
Ten arrests, and the eleventh is for a gun-related crime.
One wonders how many undetected crimes are covered by such criminal careers.
Many in Illinois have argued that, given the state of crime there, stiffer sentences are warranted.
A bill was introduced to that end, and it was opposed by Democrats who argued that stiffer sentences for those actually committing crimes with guns would “unfairly target African-Americans,” as the Sun-Times put it.
The NRA, to its discredit, opposed that bill, too, arguing that the penalties for simple possession in absence of other criminal activity were too stiff.
But that’s an argument for liberalizing Illinois gun laws, not for forgoing the punishment of criminals.
The NRA did support harsher punishment for felons in possession of firearms, and for the use of firearms in crimes. Democrats have generally opposed them.

 

[2aguy]

Column: Gun-free zones provide false sense of security

Preventing the next attack: Why gun-free zones don't work and combat profiling does

A Look at the Facts on Gun-Free Zones

Which of the three propaganda pieces do you think proves that "In America gun free zones are the most gun violent."?

I didn't post any propaganda pieces.

You didn't post any proof that "In America gun free zones are the most gun violent." either.

No...he pointed out that mass public shootings happen in gun free zones....

And then you can look at cities with the strictest gun control...and the higher level of crime and gun murder...

So you admit that his ludicrous claim that gun free zones are the most gun violent was just another right wing lie?

Moron.....why do you anti gunners act like children.....

gun free zones draw mass shooters......places with the strictest gun control laws have high levels of gun crime and murder...especially since the democrats in those gun control cities attack the police and keep them from dealing with violent criminals.