Boy...14, shoots man to death...in Britain..

[bodecea]

More happy gun murder announcements.

 

[MyParentsAreProud]

Proof?

Column: Gun-free zones provide false sense of security

Preventing the next attack: Why gun-free zones don't work and combat profiling does

A Look at the Facts on Gun-Free Zones

Which of the three propaganda pieces do you think proves that "In America gun free zones are the most gun violent."?

I didn't post any propaganda pieces.

You didn't post any proof that "In America gun free zones are the most gun violent." either.

Yes, I did.

Over 98% of mass shootings occurred on gun-free zones, research shows

 

[2aguy]

The UK is doing it right. We should be more like them.

Yeah...that school shooting incident....that is also a lie....if you actually track those down, they include gangs shooting at each other "near" schools, people committing suicide in school parking lots.....

The anti gunners always lie......

You can argue numbers all you want. We kill massively more per capita than they do. You can't see that?

It doesn't matter.....they banned guns, they confiscated guns...their gun crime rate is going up....their gun murder rate went up.....their criminals have guns, they simply choose not to use them to murder their victims. That is a cultural issue, not a gun issue since they have the guns.....

I put this to World War 2 and their class system impacting their culture...but that is now changing...as are their police practices......

 

[Lewdog]

But...they banned and confiscated guns....and then their gun crime went up 89% and their gun murder rate went up 104%.....and is still going up, along with their violent crime rate....London is now more violent than New York city.......

And which British gun control law kept this 14 year old from going to his school and murdering more people?

Dumb luck and a lack of follow through does not mean your gun control laws work....

Boy, 14, held over gunshot death of man killed 'during bullying chat'

To be fair, you should start also making a completely new thread every time someone is shot and killed in the U.S. Good luck with that.

 

[2aguy]

So children.....the lesson is....If you can't stop ALL gun crime, you shouldn't try to stop any

No...the lesson is to focus on people who actually commit violent crime and put them in jail for 30 years....the democrats keep letting violent gun offenders back on the street, and then use their gun crime to demand taking guns away from normal people....

 

[2aguy]

But...they banned and confiscated guns....and then their gun crime went up 89% and their gun murder rate went up 104%.....and is still going up, along with their violent crime rate....London is now more violent than New York city.......

And which British gun control law kept this 14 year old from going to his school and murdering more people?

Dumb luck and a lack of follow through does not mean your gun control laws work....

Boy, 14, held over gunshot death of man killed 'during bullying chat'

To be fair, you should start also making a completely new thread every time someone is shot and killed in the U.S. Good luck with that.

Democrats shoot too many people in our democrat cities to do that.......and the reason I keep posting about Britain...they banned and confiscated guns...and their gun crime rate went up, not down...

We have more people who own and carry guns...and our gun crime rate went down 75%....

See the difference?

 

[2aguy]

Proof?

Column: Gun-free zones provide false sense of security

Preventing the next attack: Why gun-free zones don't work and combat profiling does

A Look at the Facts on Gun-Free Zones

Should a bar be a gun free zone?
How about a sporting event?

No....there are states that allow carrying guns in places that serve alcohol....you just can't drink when you carry, just like you can't drive...

And Virginia just recently passed laws for carrying guns in bars...their crime rate in bars went down...

http://www.wnd.com/2011/08/334117/



When Virginia passed a law allowing concealed carry in bars and alcohol-serving restaurants beginning July 1 of last year, opponents of the change decried the dangers of mixing guns and alcohol, for fear violent crimes would escalate.

But one year later, the Richmond Times-Dispatch did a study to see if the gloomy prognostications came true.

According to state police records, not only did gun violence in bars and restaurants not increase under the new law, it decreased by 5.2 percent.

In fact, of the 145 reported crimes with guns that occurred in Virginia bars and restaurants in fiscal 2010-11 (compared to 153 incidents in the year before the new law took effect), only two of the aggravated assault cases were related to concealed-carry permit holders. In one incident, the crime took place at a restaurant that didn’t serve alcohol – thus unrelated to the new law – and in the other, the weapon was neither discharged nor withdrawn from its holster.

“The numbers basically just confirm what we’ve said would happen if the General Assembly changed the law,” Philip Van Cleave, president of the pro-gun Virginia Citizens Defense League, told the Times-Dispatch. “Keep in mind what the other side was saying – that this was going to be a blood bath, that restaurants will be dangerous and people will stop going. But there was nothing to base the fear-mongering on.”


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2011/08/334117/#oYSskw0dy5eAyXbX.99



More.....actual research by Richmond Times-Dispatch

Gun crimes drop at Virginia bars and restaurants

The number of major crimes involving firearms at bars and restaurants statewide declined 5.2 percent from July 1, 2010, to June 30, 2011, compared with the fiscal year before the law went into effect, according to crime data compiled by Virginia State Police at the newspaper's request.

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At The Times-Dispatch's request, state police pulled from their computerized database all major crimes at bars and restaurants reported by local law-enforcement agencies across Virginia for two successive fiscal years. The Times-Dispatch then contacted more than a dozen police departments in Virginia for more detailed information on all aggravated assaults, homicides and sexual assaults involving firearms at those businesses.
Reported robberies were not analyzed because they tend to involve premeditated crimes by perpetrators openly displaying guns, and many of the affected businesses are chain restaurants that don't serve alcohol.
Only two fatal shootings occurred during the last fiscal year — one outside a Petersburg nightclub and the other at a Radford restaurant — but neither involved concealed-gun permit holders. And only two of the 18 aggravated assaults reported could be linked definitively to concealed-carry holders.
Several other cases appear to have involved hidden guns, but the suspects either didn't have a concealed permit, or they fled the scene before they could be identified and arrested.
One of the few unambiguous cases of a concealed-gun permit holder breaking the law occurred on July 28, 2010 — 27 days after the law became active — at a deli in York County. In that case, a patron who had been drinking heavily with a gun concealed in his pocket allegedly sexually harassed a female waitress and, at one point, placed his hand over his hidden gun so the waitress could see its outline.
After making a comment the waitress construed as a threat, the man left but was stopped a short time later by police. They recovered a .380-caliber pistol from his pants pocket and charged him with driving under the influence, brandishing a firearm and carrying a concealed weapon.
He was charged with the latter offense — even though he had a permit to carry the gun — because he had been drinking in the deli while in possession of a concealed firearm. The law forbids concealed-gun permit holders to drink alcohol while they are inside bars and restaurants with guns hidden from view. Patrons who legally carry firearms openly into bars and restaurants can drink freely.
Authorities confiscated the man's concealed-gun permit, but the brandishing and concealed weapon charges were eventually withdrawn by prosecutors. He was convicted of driving while drunk.
In another case closer to home, a Hopewell man with a concealed-carry permit was arrested in June after police said he brandished a gun in the parking lot of a chain restaurant after a verbal dispute escalated into a fight among several patrons. No shots were fired, but punches were thrown.
Although the man pulled a concealed weapon during the fight, the new law didn't really apply because the restaurant where the incident occurred doesn't serve alcohol. The man was convicted last month of brandishing the gun — which he appealed — and a malicious-wounding charge was certified to a Hopewell grand jury.
Aside from the two homicides, the only assault that resulted in a person being shot occurred in February outside a Virginia Beach restaurant and bar. The shooting followed an altercation inside the restaurant. Several unknown men were asked to leave, and the victim was shot and wounded as he walked toward a male in an adjacent parking lot, police said.
But because the suspect was never identified and arrested, police don't know whether the shooter was carrying a concealed gun or whether he had a permit to carry it.

 

[2aguy]

Our violent gun crimes have dropped by 50%. That decline was not due to confiscating our guns. Which means you need to look elsewhere for the cause of violence.
Then ponder why the UN is pushing for the disarming of Hemisphere 1....

It was not due to confiscation or more guns

It was due to the end of drug wars in the 90s

Sorry...that isn't what you and the other anti gunners say......you say more guns = more gun crime...that didn't happen here in the states...and in Britain, less guns = more gun crime...so you are just wrong....

The United States:

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


Britain:

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

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as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

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Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

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London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

 

[2aguy]

Proof?

Column: Gun-free zones provide false sense of security

Preventing the next attack: Why gun-free zones don't work and combat profiling does

A Look at the Facts on Gun-Free Zones

Which of the three propaganda pieces do you think proves that "In America gun free zones are the most gun violent."?

I didn't post any propaganda pieces.

You didn't post any proof that "In America gun free zones are the most gun violent." either.

No...he pointed out that mass public shootings happen in gun free zones....

And then you can look at cities with the strictest gun control...and the higher level of crime and gun murder...

 

[Lewdog]

But...they banned and confiscated guns....and then their gun crime went up 89% and their gun murder rate went up 104%.....and is still going up, along with their violent crime rate....London is now more violent than New York city.......

And which British gun control law kept this 14 year old from going to his school and murdering more people?

Dumb luck and a lack of follow through does not mean your gun control laws work....

Boy, 14, held over gunshot death of man killed 'during bullying chat'

To be fair, you should start also making a completely new thread every time someone is shot and killed in the U.S. Good luck with that.

Democrats shoot too many people in our democrat cities to do that.......and the reason I keep posting about Britain...they banned and confiscated guns...and their gun crime rate went up, not down...

We have more people who own and carry guns...and our gun crime rate went down 75%....

See the difference?

No, the only thing I see here is you making post after post of singular events in Great Britain like it proves some kind of point.

That's not how stats work.

Fact is you won't present every single instance of gun violence in the U.S. because it would show how big of a fucking stupid argument you have is.

Proof you know your argument is shit, is that when pressed on the issue to provide more evidence, you simply make excuses as to why the data doesn't fit your narrative.

 

[2aguy]

But...they banned and confiscated guns....and then their gun crime went up 89% and their gun murder rate went up 104%.....and is still going up, along with their violent crime rate....London is now more violent than New York city.......

And which British gun control law kept this 14 year old from going to his school and murdering more people?

Dumb luck and a lack of follow through does not mean your gun control laws work....

Boy, 14, held over gunshot death of man killed 'during bullying chat'

What’s the murder rate in Britain?

You guys always go to that after I show that after banning guns and confiscating them, their gun crime rate went up. Culturally, their criminals, who have guns, don't use them to commit murder...everything else, just not murder....but that too is changing.

 

[2aguy]

But...they banned and confiscated guns....and then their gun crime went up 89% and their gun murder rate went up 104%.....and is still going up, along with their violent crime rate....London is now more violent than New York city.......

And which British gun control law kept this 14 year old from going to his school and murdering more people?

Dumb luck and a lack of follow through does not mean your gun control laws work....

Boy, 14, held over gunshot death of man killed 'during bullying chat'

To be fair, you should start also making a completely new thread every time someone is shot and killed in the U.S. Good luck with that.

Democrats shoot too many people in our democrat cities to do that.......and the reason I keep posting about Britain...they banned and confiscated guns...and their gun crime rate went up, not down...

We have more people who own and carry guns...and our gun crime rate went down 75%....

See the difference?

No, the only thing I see here is you making post after post of singular events in Great Britain like it proves some kind of point.

That's not how stats work.

Fact is you won't present every single instance of gun violence in the U.S. because it would show how big of a fucking stupid argument you have is.

Proof you know your argument is shit, is that when pressed on the issue to provide more evidence, you simply make excuses as to why the data doesn't fit your narrative.

I posted the crime stats from Britain over and over, which show gun crime increasing and increasing..after they banned guns....you can call it shit...but it is their truth, their facts and their reality....

Taking guns away from people who are not criminals does not lower the crime rate..or the gun crime rate.....

 

[2aguy]

But...they banned and confiscated guns....and then their gun crime went up 89% and their gun murder rate went up 104%.....and is still going up, along with their violent crime rate....London is now more violent than New York city.......

And which British gun control law kept this 14 year old from going to his school and murdering more people?

Dumb luck and a lack of follow through does not mean your gun control laws work....

Boy, 14, held over gunshot death of man killed 'during bullying chat'

To be fair, you should start also making a completely new thread every time someone is shot and killed in the U.S. Good luck with that.

Democrats shoot too many people in our democrat cities to do that.......and the reason I keep posting about Britain...they banned and confiscated guns...and their gun crime rate went up, not down...

We have more people who own and carry guns...and our gun crime rate went down 75%....

See the difference?

No, the only thing I see here is you making post after post of singular events in Great Britain like it proves some kind of point.

That's not how stats work.

Fact is you won't present every single instance of gun violence in the U.S. because it would show how big of a fucking stupid argument you have is.

Proof you know your argument is shit, is that when pressed on the issue to provide more evidence, you simply make excuses as to why the data doesn't fit your narrative.

This is how stats work....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

-----


as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

-------

Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

==============

London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

 

[Lewdog]

But...they banned and confiscated guns....and then their gun crime went up 89% and their gun murder rate went up 104%.....and is still going up, along with their violent crime rate....London is now more violent than New York city.......

And which British gun control law kept this 14 year old from going to his school and murdering more people?

Dumb luck and a lack of follow through does not mean your gun control laws work....

Boy, 14, held over gunshot death of man killed 'during bullying chat'

To be fair, you should start also making a completely new thread every time someone is shot and killed in the U.S. Good luck with that.

Democrats shoot too many people in our democrat cities to do that.......and the reason I keep posting about Britain...they banned and confiscated guns...and their gun crime rate went up, not down...

We have more people who own and carry guns...and our gun crime rate went down 75%....

See the difference?

No, the only thing I see here is you making post after post of singular events in Great Britain like it proves some kind of point.

That's not how stats work.

Fact is you won't present every single instance of gun violence in the U.S. because it would show how big of a fucking stupid argument you have is.

Proof you know your argument is shit, is that when pressed on the issue to provide more evidence, you simply make excuses as to why the data doesn't fit your narrative.

I posted the crime stats from Britain over and over, which show gun crime increasing and increasing..after they banned guns....you can call it shit...but it is their truth, their facts and their reality....

Taking guns away from people who are not criminals does not lower the crime rate..or the gun crime rate.....

You don't get it... there are TONS of factors that can cause the increase in gun crime, and yet their gun violence rate is still WIDELY less than in the U.S.

Yet you think posting every piece of gun violence in GB is proving your point. It isn't. It makes you look like a petty girl.

 

[Lewdog]

But...they banned and confiscated guns....and then their gun crime went up 89% and their gun murder rate went up 104%.....and is still going up, along with their violent crime rate....London is now more violent than New York city.......

And which British gun control law kept this 14 year old from going to his school and murdering more people?

Dumb luck and a lack of follow through does not mean your gun control laws work....

Boy, 14, held over gunshot death of man killed 'during bullying chat'

To be fair, you should start also making a completely new thread every time someone is shot and killed in the U.S. Good luck with that.

Democrats shoot too many people in our democrat cities to do that.......and the reason I keep posting about Britain...they banned and confiscated guns...and their gun crime rate went up, not down...

We have more people who own and carry guns...and our gun crime rate went down 75%....

See the difference?

No, the only thing I see here is you making post after post of singular events in Great Britain like it proves some kind of point.

That's not how stats work.

Fact is you won't present every single instance of gun violence in the U.S. because it would show how big of a fucking stupid argument you have is.

Proof you know your argument is shit, is that when pressed on the issue to provide more evidence, you simply make excuses as to why the data doesn't fit your narrative.

This is how stats work....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




-------

Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

-----


as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

-------

Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

==============

London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

Sweet! Now how about you be honest and compare those stats to those of the U.S. over the same period?

And no, not in comparing the percentage of increase and decrease, the TOTAL amounts including those that show the number of acts compared to each 100,000 citizens.

 

[2aguy]

But...they banned and confiscated guns....and then their gun crime went up 89% and their gun murder rate went up 104%.....and is still going up, along with their violent crime rate....London is now more violent than New York city.......

And which British gun control law kept this 14 year old from going to his school and murdering more people?

Dumb luck and a lack of follow through does not mean your gun control laws work....

Boy, 14, held over gunshot death of man killed 'during bullying chat'

To be fair, you should start also making a completely new thread every time someone is shot and killed in the U.S. Good luck with that.

Democrats shoot too many people in our democrat cities to do that.......and the reason I keep posting about Britain...they banned and confiscated guns...and their gun crime rate went up, not down...

We have more people who own and carry guns...and our gun crime rate went down 75%....

See the difference?

No, the only thing I see here is you making post after post of singular events in Great Britain like it proves some kind of point.

That's not how stats work.

Fact is you won't present every single instance of gun violence in the U.S. because it would show how big of a fucking stupid argument you have is.

Proof you know your argument is shit, is that when pressed on the issue to provide more evidence, you simply make excuses as to why the data doesn't fit your narrative.

I posted the crime stats from Britain over and over, which show gun crime increasing and increasing..after they banned guns....you can call it shit...but it is their truth, their facts and their reality....

Taking guns away from people who are not criminals does not lower the crime rate..or the gun crime rate.....

You don't get it... there are TONS of factors that can cause the increase in gun crime, and yet their gun violence rate is still WIDELY less than in the U.S.

Yet you think posting every piece of gun violence in GB is proving your point. It isn't. It makes you look like a petty girl.

Yes.....you want to ignore the fact that they banned guns...and their gun crime rate...yes...their gun crime rate went up.....by 89% in 10 years after the ban....and is still going up.......and their gun murder rate went up 104% after the ban and merely leveled off......showing that taking guns away from law abiding gun owners doesn't lower the gun crime rate...

At the same time.....we increased not only gun ownership....but we increased to 16.3 million people the number of people carrying guns....and our gun crime rate went down 75%.....and our gun murder rate went down 49%...again, showing that normal people with guns do not cause crime.....

So focusing on normal gun owners is a fucking waste of time.......we need to focus on actual criminals...something the democrats simply won't, fucking do...

 

[2aguy]

But...they banned and confiscated guns....and then their gun crime went up 89% and their gun murder rate went up 104%.....and is still going up, along with their violent crime rate....London is now more violent than New York city.......

And which British gun control law kept this 14 year old from going to his school and murdering more people?

Dumb luck and a lack of follow through does not mean your gun control laws work....

Boy, 14, held over gunshot death of man killed 'during bullying chat'

To be fair, you should start also making a completely new thread every time someone is shot and killed in the U.S. Good luck with that.

Democrats shoot too many people in our democrat cities to do that.......and the reason I keep posting about Britain...they banned and confiscated guns...and their gun crime rate went up, not down...

We have more people who own and carry guns...and our gun crime rate went down 75%....

See the difference?

No, the only thing I see here is you making post after post of singular events in Great Britain like it proves some kind of point.

That's not how stats work.

Fact is you won't present every single instance of gun violence in the U.S. because it would show how big of a fucking stupid argument you have is.

Proof you know your argument is shit, is that when pressed on the issue to provide more evidence, you simply make excuses as to why the data doesn't fit your narrative.

This is how stats work....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

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as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

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Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

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London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

Sweet! Now how about you be honest and compare those stats to those of the U.S. over the same period?

And no, not in comparing the percentage of increase and decrease, the TOTAL amounts including those that show the number of acts compared to each 100,000 citizens.

Sorry....that wouldn't be the truth.....you want to hide their criminals and the fact that they don't commit murder as often as our criminals do, and try to make a point that is fake....

You want to use the total because it hides the truth....the truth is that gun crime is increasing in Britain...you can't hide that...they have done everything you guys want...they completely banned and confiscated guns....and their gun crime rate just keeps going up.....that is the truth...and you need to hide it because Britain is your gold standard...and it turns out it is crap...

 

[ph3iron]

But...they banned and confiscated guns....and then their gun crime went up 89% and their gun murder rate went up 104%.....and is still going up, along with their violent crime rate....London is now more violent than New York city.......

And which British gun control law kept this 14 year old from going to his school and murdering more people?

Dumb luck and a lack of follow through does not mean your gun control laws work....

Boy, 14, held over gunshot death of man killed 'during bullying chat'

Such stupidity. A teenager killed 2 in phila last weekend
Always % s, never numbers.
You can't believe the uk has more gun deaths than us??
Prob went from 1 to 2, that's 100%
Stupidity

 

[ph3iron]

To be fair, you should start also making a completely new thread every time someone is shot and killed in the U.S. Good luck with that.

Democrats shoot too many people in our democrat cities to do that.......and the reason I keep posting about Britain...they banned and confiscated guns...and their gun crime rate went up, not down...

We have more people who own and carry guns...and our gun crime rate went down 75%....

See the difference?

No, the only thing I see here is you making post after post of singular events in Great Britain like it proves some kind of point.

That's not how stats work.

Fact is you won't present every single instance of gun violence in the U.S. because it would show how big of a fucking stupid argument you have is.

Proof you know your argument is shit, is that when pressed on the issue to provide more evidence, you simply make excuses as to why the data doesn't fit your narrative.

I posted the crime stats from Britain over and over, which show gun crime increasing and increasing..after they banned guns....you can call it shit...but it is their truth, their facts and their reality....

Taking guns away from people who are not criminals does not lower the crime rate..or the gun crime rate.....

You don't get it... there are TONS of factors that can cause the increase in gun crime, and yet their gun violence rate is still WIDELY less than in the U.S.

Yet you think posting every piece of gun violence in GB is proving your point. It isn't. It makes you look like a petty girl.

Yes.....you want to ignore the fact that they banned guns...and their gun crime rate...yes...their gun crime rate went up.....by 89% in 10 years after the ban....and is still going up.......and their gun murder rate went up 104% after the ban and merely leveled off......showing that taking guns away from law abiding gun owners doesn't lower the gun crime rate...

At the same time.....we increased not only gun ownership....but we increased to 16.3 million people the number of people carrying guns....and our gun crime rate went down 75%.....and our gun murder rate went down 49%...again, showing that normal people with guns do not cause crime.....

So focusing on normal gun owners is a fucking waste of time.......we need to focus on actual criminals...something the democrats simply won't, fucking do...

And where did you get your foul mouth again?
Unable to say a sentence w/o a four letter word?
Dead giveaway for limited ed

 

[2aguy]

But...they banned and confiscated guns....and then their gun crime went up 89% and their gun murder rate went up 104%.....and is still going up, along with their violent crime rate....London is now more violent than New York city.......

And which British gun control law kept this 14 year old from going to his school and murdering more people?

Dumb luck and a lack of follow through does not mean your gun control laws work....

Boy, 14, held over gunshot death of man killed 'during bullying chat'

Such stupidity. A teenager killed 2 in phila last weekend
Always % s, never numbers.
You can't believe the uk has more gun deaths than us??
Prob went from 1 to 2, that's 100%
Stupidity

You guys refuse to understand what is happening there......but don't worry......what you feel isn't important...it is going to happen wether you want it to or not....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

-----


as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

-------

Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

==============

London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.