Boy...14, shoots man to death...in Britain..

[2aguy]

But...they banned and confiscated guns....and then their gun crime went up 89% and their gun murder rate went up 104%.....and is still going up, along with their violent crime rate....London is now more violent than New York city.......

And which British gun control law kept this 14 year old from going to his school and murdering more people?

Dumb luck and a lack of follow through does not mean your gun control laws work....

Boy, 14, held over gunshot death of man killed 'during bullying chat'

Such stupidity. A teenager killed 2 in phila last weekend
Always % s, never numbers.
You can't believe the uk has more gun deaths than us??
Prob went from 1 to 2, that's 100%
Stupidity

You guys refuse to understand what is happening there......but don't worry......what you feel isn't important...it is going to happen wether you want it to or not....

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

-----


as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

-------

Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

==============

London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

So how many gun deaths in NY v's London? Do tell

Moron....you are trying to hide the facts.......you guys tell us that less guns = less gun crime and less violent crime.....Britain did exactly what you want...they banned guns...and now they have more gun crime, not less, and more violent crime...and it isn't going down anytime soon......

As to murder.....they lag behind that because their criminals do not commit murder as often as our criminals do...it has nothing to do with access to guns, since their increasing gun crime rate shows their criminals have access to guns....

Our non gun murder rate is higher than their total murder rate, so again, it isn't a gun issue.....our criminals kill more people with their bare hands than the British do with every method of murder...

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4



knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

Those three are higher than all the murders in Britain...so it isn't a gun issue....and again....British gun control is not keeping guns out of the hands of their criminals, and it isn't stopping the increase in murder in Britain.....their rate is going up...ours has been going down as more Americans own and carry guns, the exact opposite of what Britain did....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

Proof?

Column: Gun-free zones provide false sense of security

Preventing the next attack: Why gun-free zones don't work and combat profiling does

A Look at the Facts on Gun-Free Zones

Should a bar be a gun free zone?
How about a sporting event?

No place should be a gun free zone unless you want a mass shooting to take place there.

Mass gun shooting tend to only happen in gun free zones.

Really?

So you want 80,000 enraged football fans fully armed
You want a bunch of drunks armed and ready to resolve any conflict

You are an asshole

And yet......since many states already allow people to carry guns in bars...and the crime rate hasn't gone up....you are again wrong....you saw my last post about Virginia where two years ago they allowed carrying a gun in bars...and the crime rate in bars went down....but you pretend you didn't see it so you can post lies.....

 

[MyParentsAreProud]

So you want 80,000 enraged football fans fully armed
You want a bunch of drunks armed and ready to resolve any conflict

You are an asshole

No, the assholes are the ones who want people to be fish in a barrel instead of being able to protect themselves.

Why do you live in fear?

Why would I be fearful? I have a conceal carry permit.

 

[2aguy]

Obvious hoax thread.

Britain has gun control that is the stuff of the left's wettest of dreams.

Nobody has a gun.

Nobody could be killed by a gun in Britain.

Ain't that right, Tainted Tommy????

Hey, our white old fart gun nuts say there are thousands, crime rocketing although the other side (unknown to our brave boys) says not
Is violent crime on the rise – or do the latest figures mask a different story? | Simon Jenkins
How many gun deaths were there in London last year?
TtWELVE ???

You guys have to hide the fact that British gun laws are failing....by trying to use their murder rate to hide that fact....our non gun murder rates are higher than their totals...for now...theirs are going up, ours are going down...

Our criminals commit murder more often......their culture had been able to civilize their young males, even their criminals from committing the worst acts of murder....their welfare state and their police policies are now failing....their single teen mothers are creating more and more young male sociopaths...their murder rates are going to go up.......and they are importing violent drug gangs into their country, and they are using guns more and more to protect their drug territories...they are where we were in the 1960s....they are about to face an exposion in violence they won't be able to handle....and their people are unarmed in the face of it....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4



knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

 

[2aguy]

But...they banned and confiscated guns....and then their gun crime went up 89% and their gun murder rate went up 104%.....and is still going up, along with their violent crime rate....London is now more violent than New York city.......

And which British gun control law kept this 14 year old from going to his school and murdering more people?

Dumb luck and a lack of follow through does not mean your gun control laws work....

Boy, 14, held over gunshot death of man killed 'during bullying chat'

What’s the murder rate in Britain?

You guys always go to that after I show that after banning guns and confiscating them, their gun crime rate went up. Culturally, their criminals, who have guns, don't use them to commit murder...everything else, just not murder....but that too is changing.

Lately you've been pointing out that as the number of guns in Britain increases, the number of gun crimes are going up.

The number of illegal guns is increasing...twit....in the hands of people who cannot legally buy, own or carry them......British gun control does not work....they promised the people, give up your guns and gun crime and violent crime will go down...it was a lie. The law abiding dutifully gave up their guns to their government...and now they are being victimized like never before.....

Yes.....their normal, law abiding people don't have guns.....the criminals are getting guns despite their gun control laws....you are trying to be clever, but the facts show that taking guns away from law abiding people doesn't lower the gun crime rate.....you and your anti gun buddies are wrong....when you take guns away from the law abiding, only criminals will have guns, and they will use them for crime.....gun control doesn't work......

 

[JakeStarkey]

The sillies are acting like GB, with a 800% less death by gun rate than America, is not succeeding.

They engage in the fallacy of pretending they know what they are talking about.

What you fail to grasp is that you morons say that less guns = less gun crime. Britain did this...they banned guns for law abiding people....and now they have more gun crime......you guys think you have a clever point by citing the murder rate, but that has nothing to do with guns...since our non gun murder rate for just empty hand murder is 656 people.....knives 1604.....

Their criminals do not cross the line and murder their victims...yet...that is changing, their homicide rate is going up...you can't have the increasing violent crime rate that they have and not have more murder......

What you fail to grasp is that 50 deaths in the UK is a success compared to 11000 in the US.

 

[rightwinger]

So you want 80,000 enraged football fans fully armed
You want a bunch of drunks armed and ready to resolve any conflict

You are an asshole

No, the assholes are the ones who want people to be fish in a barrel instead of being able to protect themselves.

Why do you live in fear?

Why would I be fearful? I have a conceal carry permit.

Old ladies are braver than you are

 

[rightwinger]

The sillies are acting like GB, with a 800% less death by gun rate than America, is not succeeding.

They engage in the fallacy of pretending they know what they are talking about.

What you fail to grasp is that you morons say that less guns = less gun crime. Britain did this...they banned guns for law abiding people....and now they have more gun crime......you guys think you have a clever point by citing the murder rate, but that has nothing to do with guns...since our non gun murder rate for just empty hand murder is 656 people.....knives 1604.....

Their criminals do not cross the line and murder their victims...yet...that is changing, their homicide rate is going up...you can't have the increasing violent crime rate that they have and not have more murder......

What you fail to grasp is that 50 deaths in the UK is a success compared to 11000 in the US.

His theory is that if you can't stop every murder, you shouldn't try to stop any

 

[2aguy]

The sillies are acting like GB, with a 800% less death by gun rate than America, is not succeeding.

They engage in the fallacy of pretending they know what they are talking about.

What you fail to grasp is that you morons say that less guns = less gun crime. Britain did this...they banned guns for law abiding people....and now they have more gun crime......you guys think you have a clever point by citing the murder rate, but that has nothing to do with guns...since our non gun murder rate for just empty hand murder is 656 people.....knives 1604.....

Their criminals do not cross the line and murder their victims...yet...that is changing, their homicide rate is going up...you can't have the increasing violent crime rate that they have and not have more murder......

What you fail to grasp is that 50 deaths in the UK is a success compared to 11000 in the US.

It has nothing to do with their gun control laws...since gun crime is increasing, not going down...which means..for a slow learner like yourself, that their criminals have more guns, not less....they are not using them to murder people...yet. Our non gun murder numbers are higher than their total murder numbers moron....

If we take your number, 50, as accurate.......then our murder rate is still higher than theirs.....without guns.....and you are taking a snapshot in time and thinking it is not going to change....and you are wrong...all of the ingredients are there for a massive violence wave in the U.K........and with that will come more murder...and more gun murder.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4



knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

 

[rightwinger]

Fewer Guns= Fewer murders

Demonstrated in every civilized nation

 

[Indeependent]

The sillies are acting like GB, with a 800% less death by gun rate than America, is not succeeding.

They engage in the fallacy of pretending they know what they are talking about.

What you fail to grasp is that you morons say that less guns = less gun crime. Britain did this...they banned guns for law abiding people....and now they have more gun crime......you guys think you have a clever point by citing the murder rate, but that has nothing to do with guns...since our non gun murder rate for just empty hand murder is 656 people.....knives 1604.....

Their criminals do not cross the line and murder their victims...yet...that is changing, their homicide rate is going up...you can't have the increasing violent crime rate that they have and not have more murder......

What you fail to grasp is that 50 deaths in the UK is a success compared to 11000 in the US.

It has nothing to do with their gun control laws...since gun crime is increasing, not going down...which means..for a slow learner like yourself, that their criminals have more guns, not less....they are not using them to murder people...yet. Our non gun murder numbers are higher than their total murder numbers moron....

If we take your number, 50, as accurate.......then our murder rate is still higher than theirs.....without guns.....and you are taking a snapshot in time and thinking it is not going to change....and you are wrong...all of the ingredients are there for a massive violence wave in the U.K........and with that will come more murder...and more gun murder.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4



knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

Having a "discussion" with a Liberal!
You may as well have a "discussion" with a dummy in a store window.
Too much Liberal adrenaline disrupts their brain waves.

 

[Indeependent]

Fewer Guns= Fewer murders

Demonstrated in every civilized nation

Because the cities that voted for Hillary are civilized?

 

[2aguy]

Fewer Guns= Fewer murders

Demonstrated in every civilized nation

No....that isn't true....Britain and the U.S. show it isn't true....

United States....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Britain...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




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Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

-----


as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

-------

Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

==============

London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

=======


Arrests plunge by half in 10 years despite soaring crime rate

The new figures come just days after it was revealed the total number of crimes recorded year on year passed the 5 million mark for the first time in a decade.

In the year ending March 2017, only 11 per cent of crimes resulted in someone being charged. In almost half of all crimes (48 per cent) no suspects were identified.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...f-destruction-as-cowboy-builder-a3668551.html

Former home secretary David Blunkett claimed officers were more likely to give warnings rather than arrest people in a bid to avoid paperwork.


However, others have pointed to the pressure put on the dwindling number of officers, with a 13 per cent drop in numbers recorded by the Home Office between 2010 and 2016.

Lord Blunkett said: "Police are reluctant to arrest people because of the amount of paperwork involved, so officers are encouraged to give warnings rather than arrest people.

"That means people are on the street who might otherwise be prosecuted and it sends a signal that reverberates very quickly, leading criminals to think they can get away with it."

Campaigners have warned victims are losing confidence in police forces that increasingly treat crimes such as burglary and assault as minor incidents.
========

Speaking to the Telegraph, David Green, chief executive of the Civitas think tank, said: "The police are unable to cope with the volume of crime, and the 20,000 drop in police numbers is bound to have made a difference."

 

[2aguy]

The sillies are acting like GB, with a 800% less death by gun rate than America, is not succeeding.

They engage in the fallacy of pretending they know what they are talking about.

What you fail to grasp is that you morons say that less guns = less gun crime. Britain did this...they banned guns for law abiding people....and now they have more gun crime......you guys think you have a clever point by citing the murder rate, but that has nothing to do with guns...since our non gun murder rate for just empty hand murder is 656 people.....knives 1604.....

Their criminals do not cross the line and murder their victims...yet...that is changing, their homicide rate is going up...you can't have the increasing violent crime rate that they have and not have more murder......

What you fail to grasp is that 50 deaths in the UK is a success compared to 11000 in the US.

It has nothing to do with their gun control laws...since gun crime is increasing, not going down...which means..for a slow learner like yourself, that their criminals have more guns, not less....they are not using them to murder people...yet. Our non gun murder numbers are higher than their total murder numbers moron....

If we take your number, 50, as accurate.......then our murder rate is still higher than theirs.....without guns.....and you are taking a snapshot in time and thinking it is not going to change....and you are wrong...all of the ingredients are there for a massive violence wave in the U.K........and with that will come more murder...and more gun murder.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4



knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

Having a "discussion" with a Liberal!
You may as well have a "discussion" with a dummy in a store window.
Too much Liberal adrenaline disrupts their brain waves.

I liken them to punching bags...you hit them over and over again with your arguments.....like punching a bag filled with sand, you get better at your technique, but the empty bag filled with sand stays a bag filled with sand....

 

[Indeependent]

Fewer Guns= Fewer murders

Demonstrated in every civilized nation

No....that isn't true....Britain and the U.S. show it isn't true....

United States....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Britain...

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




========



Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

=========



Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

----

He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

-----

Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

-----

Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.




-------

Two men stabbed dead within hours as violent crime soars in London

The shocking attacks come as new figures revealed crime overall in London is rising, with significant increases in cases of youth violence.


A total of 35 young people under the age of 25 have been murdered in the capital in the last 12 months, an 84 per cent rise on the same period last year.

The number of cases of serious youth violence - a measure of gang activity - also rose by 18 per cent.

-----


as well as a 16 per cent rise in the number of rapes.

-------

Gun crime rose by nearly 19 per cent and the number of shootings was up by 11 per cent to 338.

==============

London now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest

While both London and New York have populations of around 8 million, figures suggest you are almost six times more likely to be burgled in the British capital than in the US city, and one and a half times more likely to fall victim to a robbery.

London has almost three times the number of reported rapes and while the murder rate in New York remains higher, the gap is narrowing dramatically.


The change in fortunes of the two global cities has been put down largely to the difference in tactics adopted by the two police forces.

Both Scotland Yard and the New York City Police Department (NYPD) have just over 30,000 officers each and budgets of around £3 billion a year.

But in the mid-1990s spiralling crime rates in New York - sparked by the crack cocaine epidemic - resulted in radical a new approach being adopted by the city's police department.

Under the leadership of Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and police commissioner, Bill Bratton, the NYPD introduced a zero tolerance approach to low level crime and flooded problem areas with patrols.

The force also put a huge amount of emphasis on community policing in order to build bridges between the police and members of the public.

As a result the murder plummeted from a high in 1990 of over 2,000 to a record low of 335 last year.

That figure is expected to fall even lower this year, and is currently in line to dip below 240.

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Arrests plunge by half in 10 years despite soaring crime rate

The new figures come just days after it was revealed the total number of crimes recorded year on year passed the 5 million mark for the first time in a decade.

In the year ending March 2017, only 11 per cent of crimes resulted in someone being charged. In almost half of all crimes (48 per cent) no suspects were identified.

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Former home secretary David Blunkett claimed officers were more likely to give warnings rather than arrest people in a bid to avoid paperwork.


However, others have pointed to the pressure put on the dwindling number of officers, with a 13 per cent drop in numbers recorded by the Home Office between 2010 and 2016.

Lord Blunkett said: "Police are reluctant to arrest people because of the amount of paperwork involved, so officers are encouraged to give warnings rather than arrest people.

"That means people are on the street who might otherwise be prosecuted and it sends a signal that reverberates very quickly, leading criminals to think they can get away with it."

Campaigners have warned victims are losing confidence in police forces that increasingly treat crimes such as burglary and assault as minor incidents.
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Speaking to the Telegraph, David Green, chief executive of the Civitas think tank, said: "The police are unable to cope with the volume of crime, and the 20,000 drop in police numbers is bound to have made a difference."

WARNING! WILL ROBINSON!! WARNING!
ATTEMPTING DISCUSSION WITH A LIBERAL BASED ON FACTS!!!

 

[2aguy]

Fewer Guns= Fewer murders

Demonstrated in every civilized nation

No....what you have are two different cultures...one, the U.S....didn't have the country destroyed by World War 2, and we didn't go through the class system created by Fuedalism...which Europe did...creating more respect for authority, vs. the U.S. with a lot less respect for authority.....their criminals don't commit murder, ours do....their criminals are now committing more murder....our murder rates are going down...

 

[Indeependent]

The sillies are acting like GB, with a 800% less death by gun rate than America, is not succeeding.

They engage in the fallacy of pretending they know what they are talking about.

What you fail to grasp is that you morons say that less guns = less gun crime. Britain did this...they banned guns for law abiding people....and now they have more gun crime......you guys think you have a clever point by citing the murder rate, but that has nothing to do with guns...since our non gun murder rate for just empty hand murder is 656 people.....knives 1604.....

Their criminals do not cross the line and murder their victims...yet...that is changing, their homicide rate is going up...you can't have the increasing violent crime rate that they have and not have more murder......

What you fail to grasp is that 50 deaths in the UK is a success compared to 11000 in the US.

It has nothing to do with their gun control laws...since gun crime is increasing, not going down...which means..for a slow learner like yourself, that their criminals have more guns, not less....they are not using them to murder people...yet. Our non gun murder numbers are higher than their total murder numbers moron....

If we take your number, 50, as accurate.......then our murder rate is still higher than theirs.....without guns.....and you are taking a snapshot in time and thinking it is not going to change....and you are wrong...all of the ingredients are there for a massive violence wave in the U.K........and with that will come more murder...and more gun murder.....

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4



knives....1,604

blunt objects....472

bare hands....656

Having a "discussion" with a Liberal!
You may as well have a "discussion" with a dummy in a store window.
Too much Liberal adrenaline disrupts their brain waves.

I liken them to punching bags...you hit them over and over again with your arguments.....like punching a bag filled with sand, you get better at your technique, but the empty bag filled with sand stays a bag filled with sand....

The bag should had a Head with a caption stating, "No Functioning Brains Allowed!"

 

[MyParentsAreProud]

So you want 80,000 enraged football fans fully armed
You want a bunch of drunks armed and ready to resolve any conflict

You are an asshole

No, the assholes are the ones who want people to be fish in a barrel instead of being able to protect themselves.

Why do you live in fear?

Why would I be fearful? I have a conceal carry permit.

Old ladies are braver than you are

How can you be sure I'm not an old lady?
https://www.amazon.com/War-Guns-You...c=1&refRID=154RAW9A3J080R5ZQH5S&tag=ff0d01-20

 

[rightwinger]

We have four times the murder rate as the UK
Confiscating guns seems to work

 

[2aguy]

We have four times the murder rate as the UK
Confiscating guns seems to work

Yeah....and you pretend to not know the increasing gun crime rate in Britain after they banned and confiscated guns......gun control didn't work.....it only took guns away from normal people...the criminals keep using them for crime.