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Poor Bruce , unable to engage in a serious debate without deflecting and evading. You've lost , I'm sure you're used to it, the quality of your posts seems to indicate you're a total loser.
I think the article speaks for itself - It is neither 100% supportive of either side of this issue, but it validates assertions made earlier on this thread . Your miserable attempts at saving face are benign.
LOL!!
Trying to use big boy English without the tools.
Benign? My attempts at saving face are harmless?
You are the gift that keeps on giving.
No wonder you don't understand the article.
You keep recycling the same statement and aiming it at evrybody around you, if you have something intelligent to say, which is highly unlikely, kindly do so - I come to the USMessageboard to engage in intelligent debate - not to bicker with adolescants.
One more asinine post from you and you're on my ignore list - you are of absoluely no value to your side of the debate whatsoever.
Regards
(Warning: This is sarcasm with some bad humor. Do not read if you begin to find yourself offended!!)
You know something
It is not just the idea that a Gay scout master might molest some of the scouts. I am well aware that "male homosexuality" does not equal "child molester". I understand that.
I also have a fear of the potential psychological damage on the kids. Look at it from my "bigotted" perspective for a moment, ok?
Let say we have a group of young men--"boys" under 16 ok. And they joined an organization that suppose to help develop them into young men-ok? What do you think will happen when they learn that the leader of their troop is a Queen?
Yes--Disrespect and blatant rudeness is the beginning.
Then there is the possibility of Avoidance that destroy the troops cohesion.
Even if this "Scout Queen" was able to suppress the disrespect and maintain troop cohesion, there is still that underlining fear that all of us "bigotted" Heterosexual males have when dealing with homosexual males.
and it is one of the driving force in how all young "non enlightened nor liberal"
men deal with gay men: What to do if he likes me?
This question will torment these young men. For it is not does not have a simple answer. Like, telling him to leave you alone. Saying "I am not gay" or "Get the hell away from me!!" Or "Pound sand you F#G!" might not work. Definitely won't if these young men parents are supposed "open minded" liberals!!
and if you think that is all, then you do not understand how deep and psychologically intrusive this question becomes. It can spawn into other meaningless questions that normally does not bother an adult, but can frantically disrupt a young mans psychology. A couple of such questions is the following line:
1.What if he talks to mean?
2. What if he complements me?
3. What if his complements contains a possible gay innuendo?
4. What if his complements does contain a gay innuendo and my friends hear it!?
5 What if his complement is a direct gay suggestion for sex and my friends hear?
These "spawning questions" will only increase in a young man minds. Potentially flooding his every waking thought until he realizes that he is thinking about a homosexual way too much!!
Thus leading to the true nightmare! The identity destroying Question:"What if I am gay??"
Some of these young men may survive this spiral into darkness, but for the others, uncertainty will abound in a twisted logical self conversation by the young male scout. A possible example of this is the following::
Q:Am I gay?
Answer--No of course not!
Q: Why do I think about my Troop master so much?
A:He is one thing I think about! There are other things I think about
Q:Why is it that the only thing I think about is related to my troop master
A: No it does not! I think about stuff not related to him!!
Q:Why can't I not think up something not related to my troop master
A:Stop!! No more!! I am not Gay!! I like women--stop lying to me
Reply to answer:But I am you and I am confused.
If you think that a troop master is the only male that can cause this psychologically distress to young heterosexual men, then you are grossly mistaken!!
Any role of importance to a young man can lead to this "identity crisis" in men. Yes, "enlightened ones"!! Homosexuality is like a disease that can be passed to susceptible individuals by sight!! With the passage of time, the ability for a gay to convert a male with questionable identity issues will only increase.
But the Gay Agenda knows this--that is why I implore you, "enlightened liberals" to stop the insanity. Please help us "bigots" in keeping homosexuals from becoming leaders with prominent public position!! The mind you save could be your kids
Thank you for bearing with me!!
LOL!!
Trying to use big boy English without the tools.
Benign? My attempts at saving face are harmless?
You are the gift that keeps on giving.
No wonder you don't understand the article.
You keep recycling the same statement and aiming it at evrybody around you, if you have something intelligent to say, which is highly unlikely, kindly do so - I come to the USMessageboard to engage in intelligent debate - not to bicker with adolescants.
One more asinine post from you and you're on my ignore list - you are of absoluely no value to your side of the debate whatsoever.
Regards
So you think I'm an "adolescant" (sic), do you?
LOL!!!
What I said must have been a wee bit intelligent, because you haven't been able to handle it, to the point that you would rather have me on ignore than try to cope with my arguments or the constant humiliation you are receiving.
You should put me on ignore.
It's your best alternative.
You keep recycling the same statement and aiming it at evrybody around you, if you have something intelligent to say, which is highly unlikely, kindly do so - I come to the USMessageboard to engage in intelligent debate - not to bicker with adolescants.
One more asinine post from you and you're on my ignore list - you are of absoluely no value to your side of the debate whatsoever.
Regards
So you think I'm an "adolescant" (sic), do you?
LOL!!!
What I said must have been a wee bit intelligent, because you haven't been able to handle it, to the point that you would rather have me on ignore than try to cope with my arguments or the constant humiliation you are receiving.
You should put me on ignore.
It's your best alternative.
Goodbye Little Boy
In response to scandals and nationwide negative publicity, the Boy Scouts implemented a two deep policy around 15 years ago. That means no adult leader, parent or outsider is allowed to be alone with the boys. Boys are not allowed to sleep in a tent with an adult who is not their parent. They must shower separately. If a scout activity is scheduled and there is only one adult present. That activity is cancelled
All adults associated with a troop must sign this policy. All boys are advised of the policy and will report violations
Some predators do not devour their prey in front of other prey--out of a fear of being attacked.
Tell us "bigots" how the above policy prevent a scout master, or any adult associated with the troop, from getting 1 boy scout alone? It actually does not, for the main part of stalking prey is figuring out the best method of seperating 1 from the rest.
First, the whole point of group activities for a child molester is to gain trust from the victim.
Can do this with other adults around
The second part is finding a place where he can take advantage of the victim without being found out. Stating "That means no adult leader, parent or outsider is allowed to be alone with the boys." is not a methodology but a wish!!
The policy has been in effect for 15 years. It appears to be working
I haven't seen any recent incidents, are you aware of any?
Some predators do not devour their prey in front of other prey--out of a fear of being attacked.
Tell us "bigots" how the above policy prevent a scout master, or any adult associated with the troop, from getting 1 boy scout alone? It actually does not, for the main part of stalking prey is figuring out the best method of seperating 1 from the rest.
First, the whole point of group activities for a child molester is to gain trust from the victim.
Can do this with other adults around
The second part is finding a place where he can take advantage of the victim without being found out. Stating "That means no adult leader, parent or outsider is allowed to be alone with the boys." is not a methodology but a wish!!
The policy has been in effect for 15 years. It appears to be working
I haven't seen any recent incidents, are you aware of any?
Because we didn't hear of any does not mean there are not any. I don't follow the Boys Scouts of America nor investigate every incident that occurs involving them. I am assuming that you don't either. That leaves research. But to be, I can think of better ways to spend my time than looking for cases of Scout masters molesting their scout.
I think it is better to just concede the point that the policy is working than to continue suggesting that there are ways around it.
The policy has been in effect for 15 years. It appears to be working
I haven't seen any recent incidents, are you aware of any?
Because we didn't hear of any does not mean there are not any. I don't follow the Boys Scouts of America nor investigate every incident that occurs involving them. I am assuming that you don't either. That leaves research. But to be, I can think of better ways to spend my time than looking for cases of Scout masters molesting their scout.
I think it is better to just concede the point that the policy is working than to continue suggesting that there are ways around it.
Asst. Boy Scout troop leader, 18, indicted on sodomy charges
CHICAGO - A former Boy Scout who says he was sexually assaulted when he was 10 by his now-imprisoned former troop leader sued the Boy Scouts of America on Tuesday, citing recently released files the group secretly maintained on suspected molesters in its ranks.
New lawsuit claims Boy Scouts failed to stop pedophile in Midwest - U.S. News
Four men sued the Boy Scouts of America and its largest sponsor, the Mormon Church, on Monday accusing both organizations of failing to protect them from sexual abuse by adult volunteers when they were children at scouting activities in Idaho.
Boy Scouts, Mormon Church sued in Idaho pedophile case | Reuters
Tax-Exempt Boy Scouts Hide 'Morally Straight' Pedophiles in Plain Sight
It turns out the vast majority of the Catholic priests offenses do not involve pedophilia sexual contact between an adult and a pre-pubescent youth. Rather, they amount to sexual seductions of teen-age boys by predatory homosexual men who have abused their position of authority and trust.
Read more at ?Pedophile priests? and Boy Scouts
Former Mass. Boy Scout Leader Guilty in State's 'Largest-Ever' Pedophile Case
Boy scout leader sexually assaults boys. (Afghanistan, soldiers, conspiracy, military) - Politics and Other Controversies -Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Third Parties, Left-Wing, Right-Wing, Congress, President - Page
Between 1965 and 1985 there were 1,247 files on pedophiles that the Boy Scouts kept. More dating from 1985 up till the ban , only a handful since , I would say the policy appears to be working. However , if the Gay Mafia has their way the kids are gonna be free game again.
The policy has been in effect for 15 years. It appears to be working
I haven't seen any recent incidents, are you aware of any?
Because we didn't hear of any does not mean there are not any. I don't follow the Boys Scouts of America nor investigate every incident that occurs involving them. I am assuming that you don't either. That leaves research. But to be, I can think of better ways to spend my time than looking for cases of Scout masters molesting their scout.
I think it is better to just concede the point that the policy is working than to continue suggesting that there are ways around it.
Asst. Boy Scout troop leader, 18, indicted on sodomy charges
CHICAGO - A former Boy Scout who says he was sexually assaulted when he was 10 by his now-imprisoned former troop leader sued the Boy Scouts of America on Tuesday, citing recently released files the group secretly maintained on suspected molesters in its ranks.
New lawsuit claims Boy Scouts failed to stop pedophile in Midwest - U.S. News
Four men sued the Boy Scouts of America and its largest sponsor, the Mormon Church, on Monday accusing both organizations of failing to protect them from sexual abuse by adult volunteers when they were children at scouting activities in Idaho.
Boy Scouts, Mormon Church sued in Idaho pedophile case | Reuters
Tax-Exempt Boy Scouts Hide 'Morally Straight' Pedophiles in Plain Sight
It turns out the vast majority of the Catholic priests offenses do not involve pedophilia sexual contact between an adult and a pre-pubescent youth. Rather, they amount to sexual seductions of teen-age boys by predatory homosexual men who have abused their position of authority and trust.
Read more at ?Pedophile priests? and Boy Scouts
Former Mass. Boy Scout Leader Guilty in State's 'Largest-Ever' Pedophile Case
Boy scout leader sexually assaults boys. (Afghanistan, soldiers, conspiracy, military) - Politics and Other Controversies -Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Third Parties, Left-Wing, Right-Wing, Congress, President - Page
Between 1965 and 1985 there were 1,247 files on pedophiles that the Boy Scouts kept. More dating from 1985 up till the ban , only a handful since , I would say the policy appears to be working. However , if the Gay Mafia has their way the kids are gonna be free game again.
Because we didn't hear of any does not mean there are not any. I don't follow the Boys Scouts of America nor investigate every incident that occurs involving them. I am assuming that you don't either. That leaves research. But to be, I can think of better ways to spend my time than looking for cases of Scout masters molesting their scout.
I think it is better to just concede the point that the policy is working than to continue suggesting that there are ways around it.
Asst. Boy Scout troop leader, 18, indicted on sodomy charges
CHICAGO - A former Boy Scout who says he was sexually assaulted when he was 10 by his now-imprisoned former troop leader sued the Boy Scouts of America on Tuesday, citing recently released files the group secretly maintained on suspected molesters in its ranks.
New lawsuit claims Boy Scouts failed to stop pedophile in Midwest - U.S. News
Four men sued the Boy Scouts of America and its largest sponsor, the Mormon Church, on Monday accusing both organizations of failing to protect them from sexual abuse by adult volunteers when they were children at scouting activities in Idaho.
Boy Scouts, Mormon Church sued in Idaho pedophile case | Reuters
Tax-Exempt Boy Scouts Hide 'Morally Straight' Pedophiles in Plain Sight
It turns out the vast majority of the Catholic priests’ offenses do not involve “pedophilia” – sexual contact between an adult and a pre-pubescent youth. Rather, they amount to sexual seductions of teen-age boys by predatory homosexual men who have abused their position of authority and trust.
Read more at ?Pedophile priests? and Boy Scouts
Former Mass. Boy Scout Leader Guilty in State's 'Largest-Ever' Pedophile Case
Boy scout leader sexually assaults boys. (Afghanistan, soldiers, conspiracy, military) - Politics and Other Controversies -Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Third Parties, Left-Wing, Right-Wing, Congress, President - Page
Between 1965 and 1985 there were 1,247 files on pedophiles that the Boy Scouts kept. More dating from 1985 up till the ban , only a handful since , I would say the policy appears to be working. However , if the Gay Mafia has their way the kids are gonna be free game again.
I believe I asked for recent incidents and you bring up stuff from 10-20 years ago
More dating from 1985 up till the ban , only a handful since , I would say the policy appears to be working. However , if the Gay Mafia has their way the kids are gonna be free game again.
Asst. Boy Scout troop leader, 18, indicted on sodomy charges
CHICAGO - A former Boy Scout who says he was sexually assaulted when he was 10 by his now-imprisoned former troop leader sued the Boy Scouts of America on Tuesday, citing recently released files the group secretly maintained on suspected molesters in its ranks.
New lawsuit claims Boy Scouts failed to stop pedophile in Midwest - U.S. News
Four men sued the Boy Scouts of America and its largest sponsor, the Mormon Church, on Monday accusing both organizations of failing to protect them from sexual abuse by adult volunteers when they were children at scouting activities in Idaho.
Boy Scouts, Mormon Church sued in Idaho pedophile case | Reuters
Tax-Exempt Boy Scouts Hide 'Morally Straight' Pedophiles in Plain Sight
It turns out the vast majority of the Catholic priests offenses do not involve pedophilia sexual contact between an adult and a pre-pubescent youth. Rather, they amount to sexual seductions of teen-age boys by predatory homosexual men who have abused their position of authority and trust.
Read more at ?Pedophile priests? and Boy Scouts
Former Mass. Boy Scout Leader Guilty in State's 'Largest-Ever' Pedophile Case
Boy scout leader sexually assaults boys. (Afghanistan, soldiers, conspiracy, military) - Politics and Other Controversies -Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Third Parties, Left-Wing, Right-Wing, Congress, President - Page
Between 1965 and 1985 there were 1,247 files on pedophiles that the Boy Scouts kept. More dating from 1985 up till the ban , only a handful since , I would say the policy appears to be working. However , if the Gay Mafia has their way the kids are gonna be free game again.
I believe I asked for recent incidents and you bring up stuff from 10-20 years ago
Yes Norton - only the first link is relatively recent. My post concludes with ...
More dating from 1985 up till the ban , only a handful since , I would say the policy appears to be working. However , if the Gay Mafia has their way the kids are gonna be free game again.
The intent was to demonstrate that the BSA ban on Adult Homosexuals appears to be working . Perhaps I was a tad long winded - sorry.
THE FACTS
Contrary to uninformed opinions -The APA is not a scientific organization - it is a political one.
Nicholas Cummings, former President of the American Psychological Association and one of the people who led the movement to have homosexuality declassified as a mental illness speaking to an audience of fellow professionals in 2005, stated the profession of Mental Health, psychology, psychiatry is dominated by social-activist groups.
As per Dr. Cummings, when the APA conducts research, they do so only "when they know what the outcome is going to be...only predictably favorable outcomes are permissible."
http://www.nappp.org/pdf/nickcumno.pdf
US House of Representatives actually censured the APA for its stance that "pedophilia might be OK under the right circumstances". This is the end product of a gay cabal having taken over the APA in the 1980s and handpicking board members who are "on board" with "the new agenda".
http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...uit-begin-april-10-2014-a-60.html#post8974856
Freund was a great man , a wonderful very likeable person and a brilliant researcher who committed suicide using the kevorkian method. His research which you site used a test sample of 260+ men and a method involving monitoring the blood flow and erectile status of the penis when exposed to erotic stimuli known as Phallometric testing. However the flaw lies in that the penis does not allways become erect or respond to said stimuli, especially when the subject is aware hat they are being monitored.
Phallometric Testing is not reliable and subject to multiple and uncalculable variables
Phallometric testing with sexual offenders:... [Clin Psychol Rev. 2000] - PubMed - NCBI
"There are, however, problems with the psychometric bases of these assessments, and studies reporting their use have so many idiosyncratic features that comparisons are of dubious value. Evidence concerning the reliability and criterion validity of phallometric testing leaves a lot to be desired"
That's pure nonsense ! The statistics indicate that the majority of child molestation occurs on a male to female basis , among family members and nobody claims that to be of a homosexual nature. Nor does anyone attempt to claim that the heterosexual molestor is something other than a heteroexual.
However - in comes the Gay Agenda and suddenly homosexual molestors are no longer homosexuals - Orwellian Newspeak
Which is exactly why the Boy Scouts seek to exclude Homosexuals.
SA Today published a piece this morning by Nicholas A. Cummings, in support of the widely discredited practice of ex-gay or reparative therapy. Cummings states his credentials as such:
Nicholas Cummings was president of the American Psychological Association (1979-80).
Here, we touch the tip of the iceberg of obfuscation in this atrocious piece of work, a screed that USA Today should never have published in the first place. His piece also mentions that he was the chief psychologist for Kaiser Permanente from 1959-1979. So from the outset, we see that the professional credentials he possesses that are actually respectable are from a time before this author was born, and much has changed about the nature of psychotherapy since those bygone days. Indeed, all of the major medical and mental health organizations now consider the practices from that time regarding homosexuality to be outdated and harmful. Those, though, are the credentials that Cummings is using in a public forum, in order to appear mainstream and learned.
Those are the not the credentials that lead him to write ex-gay screeds, though, and if Cummings were being honest about the misdirection of his later career, we would not having this conversation, as he would be rightly apprised as unqualified to publish such a piece. The fact is that Nicholas A. Cummings is a NARTH company man. Indeed, if one takes the time to browse the links in the USA Today piece, the truth is hidden in plain sight, as he states:
When I was chief psychologist for Kaiser Permanente from 1959 to 1979, San Franciscos gay and lesbian population burgeoned. I personally saw more than 2,000 patients with same-sex attraction, and my staff saw thousands more. We worked hard to develop approaches to meeting the needs of these patients.
That last link goes directly to NARTHs website. For anyone who is not familiar, NARTH is the National Association for the Research And Therapy Of Homosexuality, a fringe ex-gay religious group which masquerades as a secular, scientific organization. Here is the testimony of Allen Rosenthal, a researcher at Northwestern University who was raised Mormon, who survived therapy with NARTH:
NARTH Company Man Publishes Atrocious ?Ex-Gay? Op-Ed In USA Today | Truth Wins Out
Take your time Green, I want to make one more post and then I have to head out.
Well Thank You for exposing yourself as just another Homosexual wanna be propagandist -
Ex-Gay therapy is a viable alternative to the unhealthy and sad existence of a pervert.
Despite the foot stomping , foaming at the mouth , and temper tantrums displayed by dysphoric persons such as yourself .
So far as Nicholas Cummings and his credentials - he is also the man who authored the Motion to have Homosexuality declassified as a Mental Illness He is a primary mover for the Gay Movement and it is because of his work , his high level of professionalism and his committment to Human Rights and dignity that the Gay movement was able to get as far as it has. Unfortunately Dr.Cummings probably realizes that he let an evil Genie out of the bottle.
SA Today published a piece this morning by Nicholas A. Cummings, in support of the widely discredited practice of “ex-gay” or “reparative” therapy. Cummings states his credentials as such:
Nicholas Cummings was president of the American Psychological Association (1979-80).
Here, we touch the tip of the iceberg of obfuscation in this atrocious piece of work, a screed that USA Today should never have published in the first place. His piece also mentions that he was the chief psychologist for Kaiser Permanente from 1959-1979. So from the outset, we see that the professional credentials he possesses that are actually respectable are from a time before this author was born, and much has changed about the nature of psychotherapy since those bygone days. Indeed, all of the major medical and mental health organizations now consider the practices from that time regarding homosexuality to be outdated and harmful. Those, though, are the credentials that Cummings is using in a public forum, in order to appear mainstream and learned.
Those are the not the credentials that lead him to write “ex-gay” screeds, though, and if Cummings were being honest about the misdirection of his later career, we would not having this conversation, as he would be rightly apprised as unqualified to publish such a piece. The fact is that Nicholas A. Cummings is a NARTH company man. Indeed, if one takes the time to browse the links in the USA Today piece, the truth is hidden in plain sight, as he states:
When I was chief psychologist for Kaiser Permanente from 1959 to 1979, San Francisco’s gay and lesbian population burgeoned. I personally saw more than 2,000 patients with same-sex attraction, and my staff saw thousands more. We worked hard to develop approaches to meeting the needs of these patients.
That last link goes directly to NARTH’s website. For anyone who is not familiar, NARTH is the National Association for the Research And Therapy Of Homosexuality, a fringe “ex-gay” religious group which masquerades as a secular, scientific organization. Here is the testimony of Allen Rosenthal, a researcher at Northwestern University who was raised Mormon, who survived “therapy” with NARTH:
NARTH Company Man Publishes Atrocious ?Ex-Gay? Op-Ed In USA Today | Truth Wins Out
Take your time Green, I want to make one more post and then I have to head out.
Well Thank You for exposing yourself as just another Homosexual wanna be propagandist -
Ex-Gay therapy is a viable alternative to the unhealthy and sad existence of a pervert.
Despite the foot stomping , foaming at the mouth , and temper tantrums displayed by dysphoric persons such as yourself .
So far as Nicholas Cummings and his credentials - he is also the man who authored the Motion to have Homosexuality declassified as a Mental Illness He is a primary mover for the Gay Movement and it is because of his work , his high level of professionalism and his committment to Human Rights and dignity that the Gay movement was able to get as far as it has. Unfortunately Dr.Cummings probably realizes that he let an evil Genie out of the bottle.
No.
Conversion therapy is harmful and is not legit.
No.
Nicholas Cummings is a hack.
LGBT youth are considered high risk kids. They have higher rates of substance abuse and they are more likely to be thrown out of their homes by their families. This puts them on the streets where they are more likely to be sexually assaulted. They wouldn't be in this position if it weren't for people like you.
You are part of the problem. You don't have the capacity to recognize this.
We are done here.
No.
Conversion therapy is harmful and is not legit.
We are done here.
It's sad how few people care about our freedom of association provided in the First amendment.
It's sad how few people care about our freedom of association provided in the First amendment.
Come on, Avatar. We can't just let everyone run free!!
If we did, the streets would be flooded with murderers, rapists and thieves.
We must restrict the freedom of some people or else all will suffer!!
