Boycott Israel

[Sixties Fan]

With the passage of this resolution, the UCC’s General Synod has revealed itself to be a bystander to anti-Jewish violence in the Holy Land, and a promoter of a dishonest narrative that justifies violence against Jews in the rest of the world.

The resolution speaks in vague terms about the evils of “supersessionism” and antisemitism, but does not acknowledge the role these ideologies play in fomenting hostility toward Jews and Israel in Muslim-majority environments in the Middle East — nor the UCC’s own role in fomenting this hatred.

The UCC resolution– the latest in a long list of antisemitic attacks — portrays the Jewish state as a singular source of sin and suffering in the Holy Land, recapitulating many of the messages Christians have offered about the Jewish people and their institutions over the past 2,000 years, even as the faith attempts to distance itself from this history.

“At a time when Jews are being physically attacked worldwide for their solidarity with Israel, suffering violence that clearly crosses the line from criticism of Israeli policies into blatant antisemitism, one could rightfully expect an American Christian church to be more guarded in its judgments,” said Rabbi Noam Marans, Director of Interreligious and Intergroup Relations for the American Jewish Committee.

“Where in this resolution for a ‘just peace’ is there any mention of Israel’s relentless pursuit of peace for 73 years?,” Marans asked.

Two things need to happen in response to the passage of the resolution. First, it’s time to convene a Beit Din to render a judgement on the UCC’s decades-long war against the Jews and their state.

Second, it’s time for rank-and-file Jews to reach out to local UCC churches and tell them that while the resolution was passed without any real input from the laity in the denomination, the people in the pews are ultimately responsible for the lies broadcast by their leaders in Cleveland and affirmed by the General Synod.

The Beit Din could and should declare that the UCC has repeatedly violated the prohibition against “talebearing” and against standing idly by when one’s neighbor is threatened. These prohibitions are articulated in Leviticus 19:6.

The UCC has also violated the prohibition against bearing false witness, as delineated in Exodus 20:13.

In sum, the UCC engages in talebearing by retailing and repeating lies and propaganda produced by Israel’s enemies; it bears false witness by omitting crucial information about the Arab-Israeli conflict in its so-called peacemaking resolutions; and it stands idly by the blood of its neighbor by refusing to condemn Palestinian terrorism and the lies used to justify it.

(full article online)

Time to Put the United Church of Christ on Trial for Antisemitism

Palestinians walk at the compound that houses Al-Aqsa Mosque, known to Muslims as Noble Sanctuary and to Jews as Temple …

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[P F Tinmore]

RE: Boycott Israel
SUBTOPIC: What or Where is the "Palestine" Mentioned?
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: It is simply a fails statement.


(COMMENT)

Simply untrue. And you know it to be untrue. Nowhere within the Treaty of Lausanne is Palestine even mentioned. In Part I, Section I Territorial Clauses, is where it would be covered • under Article 3.

Most Respectfully,
R

Neither were any of the other new states in the area.

I don't see your point.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Germany is the latest country to announce that it will not attend an upcoming U.N. event that marks the 20th anniversary of the World Conference on Racism in Durban, called Durban IV.

The country’s withdrawal from the conference, which is scheduled for September in New York, was reported by the German-language publication Welt am Sonntag and confirmed by a German diplomatic source, according to i24News on Sunday. Germany’s Federal Foreign Office reportedly gave no reason for the decision.

Nine other countries—the United States, Canada, Australia, the United Kingdom, Hungary, Austria, Netherlands, the Czech Republic and Israel—have already announced that they will not be attending the conference. France is expected not to attend though no official statement has been released yet, reported i24News.

(full article online)

United Nations ‘Festival of Jew-Hate’ Boycotted by Germany | United with Israel

Nine other countries announced that they will not be attending the anti-Israel UN conference.

unitedwithisrael.org

 

[Hollie]

Neither were any of the other new states in the area.

I don't see your point.

Ahhh. The "new states" conspiracy theory and "the Treaty of Lausanne invented the country of Pal'istan" conspiracy theory.

Rather buffoonish claims as you can't identify any of the "new states" you claim were created and where the Treaty of Lausanne never created any country called Pal'istan.

Yours are rather delusional claims.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
SUBTOPIC: Nation Building
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: As stated in Posting #8540, nations are created by the "Will of the People" (Self-Determination) in general. Almost nothing is absolute in the venue of Human Development.

Neither were any of the other new states in the area.

I don't see your point.

(COMMENT)

Well, you will notice that there are several states mentioned in the Territorial Section. However, the Treaty gave the Allied Powers a lot of leeway (after all, they wrote the Treaty by-and-large).

The Arab Palestinians, except for Emir Faisal's staff, did not put forth the same level of effort towards working with the British Administration as did the Jewish Agency. Nor did the Arab Palestinians rally their constituency like the National Council for the Jewish State did to help establish self-governance.

Even to this day, the general posture of the Arab Palestinian is the image of the "Political Beggar" (totally dependent on donor contributions). The Arab Palestinians do not have the capacity for independence and self-governance in the same way that any of the adjacent Arab League States do. And the Arab Palestinians really do not have a mechanism speaking in a positive vein through the Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among State.

The Arab Palestinians (no matter how you divide the rival factions) essentially hold "Peace" as hostage for a continuation in donor contributions (Payment for the Hostage).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Arab Palestinians do not have the capacity for independence and self-governance in the same way that any of the adjacent Arab League States do.

Indeed, a hundred years of belligerent, military occupation will do that.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Indeed, a hundred years of belligerent, military occupation will do that.

You know very well that it is not what is meant by that sentence.

They have billions coming in. ANY people on the planet would have built a working government and country with that money but to Hamas and the PA, they would lose their salaries and wealth.

Peace cannot happen because money is more important than making the lives of their populations a good one, with health care, education, etc.

Israel is the one which offers Palestinians good jobs and good education, good health care as well. Not their "I want to make a lot of money for my clan" leaders.

Griffters, nothing but grifters abusing millions of Muslims and Christians under their governments, in order to keep their wealthy lifestyle going on.

Which is why the Palestinians have been trying to boycott and change their governments lately.

You know all of that. But want to make believe that the Palestinians are "upset" because of being "occupied", when they have never been occupied by Israel.

Odd how the Arabs did not get upset with Egypt and Jordan and did not boycott them from 1948 to 1967.

That has always been odd to normal people. But not to you.

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[P F Tinmore]

ANY people on the planet would have built a working government and country with that money

Do you mean build their economy like this?

This is what the Palestinian economy looks like​

 

[Hollie]

Do you mean build their economy like this?

This is what the Palestinian economy looks like​

That's an image which speaks volumes about an Islamic terrorist enclave that despite receiving billions of dollars in welfare money has failed to provide even basic services to the population. Decades of fraud and mismanagement and you cheer on these retrograde slugs.

Hamas is the second richest islamic terrorist franchise for a reason. Who needs working plumbing when a Koran, volatile fluids and balloons are all a Pally needs.

 

[P F Tinmore]

That's an image which speaks volumes about an Islamic terrorist enclave that despite receiving billions of dollars in welfare money has failed to provide even basic services to the population. Decades of fraud and mismanagement and you cheer on these retrograde slugs.

Hamas is the second richest islamic terrorist franchise for a reason. Who needs working plumbing when a Koran, volatile fluids and balloons are all a Pally needs.

 

[Hollie]

So, I'll take it you don't disagree that the Pallys have been utter failures at building a working civil society. Wallowing in excrement suggests nothing to you about an otherwise obvious disconnect between billions of welfare dollars in Hamas / Fatah bank accounts and people not having working plumbing?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
SUBTOPIC: Primary Arguments and Claims
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Noura Erakat presents herself as a political expert on the motivations of the Israelis, a military expert on the motives and intent of commanders, and a human rights expert on the hardships the borders present to the Gazans. She wants to suggest that the Rule of Law is important, but the advocate a disregard for the American and European Union designation of Terrorist organizations.

Noura Erakat 2014 (8 years ago)

(COMMENT)

Professor Erakat is an American born political activist that supplements her income by openly advocating for the extension of political, economic, financial and humanitarian rights and privileges for organizations like the Islamic Resistance Movement, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine organization that are nothing less then activities of carried out by Hostile Arab Palestinians.

Professor Erakat has every right to plead the Hostile Arab Palestinian case. But remember, each of the incursions she made a complaint about was in response to a hostile act by the Arab Palestinians rocket attacks. During the period Between 10-18 May 2021, ≈ 3,440 rockets were fired toward Sderot, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Jerusalem and the outlying areas. Just imagine what the United States would do if Mexico fired that many rockets into the US.

The question you have to ask yourself is, what would be the response of a reasonable man be to such events on a continuous basis?

The Professor (with a Law Degree) openly mentions that "terrorism" is not a listed crime under the Rome Statutes used by the International Criminal Court. But, all (every single) elements of the common definition of terrorism is covered under criminal law.

Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 [ Link ] of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.
The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64 [ Link ] and 65 [ Link ] may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.
The death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person unless the attention of the court has been particularly called to the fact that since the accused is not a national of the Occupying Power, he is not bound to it by any duty of allegiance.
In any case, the death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person who was under eighteen years of age at the time of the offence.

SOURCE: PENAL LEGISLATION. V. PENALTIES. DEATH PENALTY • Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.

Rule 11. Indiscriminate attacks are prohibited. [IAC/NIAC]
Rule 12. Indiscriminate attacks are those:

(a) which are not directed at a specific military objective;​

(b) which employ a method or means of combat which cannot be directed at a specific military objective; or​

(c) which employ a method or means of combat the effects of which cannot be limited as required by international humanitarian law; and consequently, in each such case, are of a nature to strike military​

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Rule 23. Each party to the conflict must, to the extent feasible, avoid locating military objectives within or near densely populated areas.
Rule 24. Each party to the conflict must, to the extent feasible, remove civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of military objectives.

Rule 96. The taking of hostages is prohibited.
Rule 97. The use of human shields is prohibited.
SOURCE: Annex. List of Customary Rules of International Humanitarian Law

Don't let the intentional misdirection, by an attorney, convince you that the actions are not covered by Customary and International Humanitarian Law. It is not unusual that the advocates that support designated terrorist organizations and supporting criminal behaviors are somehow made to seem otherwise legitimate or legal.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Just imagine what the United States would do if Mexico fired that many rockets into the US.

The US is not occupying Mexico.

 

[P F Tinmore]

She wants to suggest that the Rule of Law is important, but the advocate a disregard for the American and European Union designation of Terrorist organizations.

There is no law. That is just name calling

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is not unusual that the advocates that support designated terrorist organizations

State terrorism is a much bigger problem than Palestinian terrorism.,

 

[Hollie]

The US is not occupying Mexico.

False premise. Mexico is a nation that maintains sovereign control over its territory.

What sovereign territory is controlled by either of the Pally terrorist franchises?

link?

 

[Hollie]

State terrorism is a much bigger problem than Palestinian terrorism.,

Problem for for who?

link?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Boycott Israel
SUBTOPIC: Primary Arguments and Claims
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Don't be foolish.

The US is not occupying Mexico.

(COMMENT)

YES>>>. Israel is NOT occupying Gaza. As far as the West Bank is concerned, Israel DID NOT occupy Palestinian territory, it occupied Jordanian territory.

Arab Palestinians make these false claims all the time. But they never actually give any details to the alleged crime.

There is no law. That is just name calling

(COMMENT)

I'm not a lawyer. This is a criticism of a lawyer who, in my opinion, does a disservice to her profession. And anyone who repeats this nonsense that it is just "name-calling" is advocating for the Jihadist, Fedayeen Activist, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric Fighters operating around the world. They conduct "criminal acts" directed against Israel, intended or calculated to create "terror" in the minds of the citizenry and general public.

There are laws in most industrialized nations that cover these notions. But then there are legal frameworks that bag them altogether. Since 1963, the international community has elaborated 19 international legal instruments to prevent terrorist acts. Other external Examples are:

terrorism Terrorism as a phenomenon has a considerable history, but early terrorism was mainly internal and thereby readily subject to national criminal jurisdiction. For the origins and history of terrorism, see Laquer, A History of Terrorism (rev. ed. 2001 ); Laquer, •••
Each of the terrorism conventions instead merely identified the specific proscribed acts for its purposes. However, the International Convention for the Suppression of Financing of Terrorism of 9 December 1999 (U.N. Doc. A/RES/54/109 Annex)
SOURCE: Parry & Grant encyclopaedic dictionary of international law / John P. Grant and J. Craig Barker. -- 3rd ed.
Copyright ˝ 2009" Published by Oxford University Press, Inc. 198 Madison Avenue, New York, New York 10016
pp 599-600

Convention for the Prevention and Punishment of Terrorism (1938)

Article 1 • European Council • Council Framework Decision of 13 June 2002 on combating terrorism
Official Journal L 164 , 22/06/2002 P. 0003 - 0007

Terrorist offences and fundamental rights and principles

1. Each Member State shall take the necessary measures to ensure that the intentional acts referred to below in points (a) to (i), as defined as offences under national law, which, given their nature or context, may seriously damage a country or an international organisation where committed with the aim of:

- seriously intimidating a population, or​

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- unduly compelling a Government or international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act, or​

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- seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation, shall be deemed to be terrorist offences:​

(a) attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;​

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(b) attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;​

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(c) kidnapping or hostage taking;​

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(d) causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;​

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(e) seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;​

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(f) manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;​

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(g) release of dangerous substances, or causing fires, floods or explosions the effect of which is to endanger human life;​

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(h) interfering with or disrupting the supply of water, power or any other fundamental natural resource the effect of which is to endanger human life;​

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(i) threatening to commit any of the acts listed in (a) to (h).​

The advocates that defend terrorism use this claim that there is "NO LAW" --- just as a Red Herring (logical fallacy).

Red herring -- An attempt to divert attention from the crux of an argument by the introduction of anecdote, irrelevant detail, subsidiary facts, tangential references, and the like.​

I cannot name a bonafide nation that does not have laws against murder/attempted murder, arson, bombings, etc. "Terrorism" is a name that defines a basket in which crimes are committed as a tool for coercion. To make an argument "There is no law. That is just name calling" is a childish notion in and by itself. Such a claim does not even pass the smell test.

State terrorism is a much bigger problem than Palestinian terrorism.,

(COMMENT)

Again, this is another "Red Herring" to intentionally mislead the reader. To accuse Israel of acts or operations conducted against any entity that violates Customary and International Humanitarian Law through acts directed at Israel and its citizenry is not intellectually sound or valid. The actions of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and any number of other Palestinian terrorist groups, are quasi-Government sponsored. I say quasi-Government because both the Gaza Government and the Ramallah Government have payroll connections to terrorists (they even have benefit packages for them). None of this would be possible without the impact of donor contributions. THEN, there are the shadowy connections the Gaza Strip and West Bank Arab Palestinians have with external associates like Hezbollah and the Quds Force.

(Ω)

I actually feel sorry for anyone who spent their time on this lecture. It simply is not worth it.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sixties Fan]