Boys missing at sea :(

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

The parents had a rule not to enter the ocean, only fish in the intracoastal. The boys decided on their own to venture out.

Exactly. This is why I wouldn't let my 14-year-old boy do this type of thing without some kind of adult supervision, boys this age are known to be risk takers and to break rules. This is what I'm trying to say here.

When I was even younger I was sent out to the wilderness alone to hunt, survive, and perform certain tasks as one of my rites of passage into manhood. Smothering children, which you and several other idiots on this thread seem to think is ok, seems to be a white man's quirk. The rest of the world throughout history has seen the wisdom of letting their boys become men. I could have eaten something poisonous or been torn apart by wild animals, but it was an experience I'll treasure forever and I had a right to take that risk.

So, telling two 14 year olds that they should not take their 19 foot boat out into the ocean without adult supervision is smothering them? No, that is called being a responsible parent.

I'm glad my parents weren't "responsible" or I might have ended up like all the passion bereft pussies I see on this thread. I followed the tradition of my father, his father, his father's father, and my ancestors for thousands of years, a proud tradition of a people not governed by womanly values as you clearly are.

Passion bereft pussies? What the fuck is your tiny little brain trying to say? Your made up story about being tossed into the wilderness at the age of 10 or 11 to fend for yourself is amusing. See that in a movie, perhaps? Dream it in your big boy bed? I suppose you think all laws that prevent children from certain activities, driving, drinking, carrying a handgun are all signs of our weakness as a nation. Your parents would have been better off giving you some intellectual ability and the schooling to hone your critical thinking skills. All that time in the wilderness has suppressed whatever intellect you were born with.

I'm American Indian, you stupid fuck, and all boys raised tribally go through these rites. Go hang a stupid sign around your stupid neck, you ignorant fuck. You're through.

 

[Ravi]

Cohen and Stephanos have the high temperatures in their favor. "With the water temperatures being a little warmer than typical, a person could survive for four or five days, possibly longer if they hang on to anything that floats," said Chris Caplan, who's been searching for the teens in a friend's plane. "These boys are everyday boaters. They know what to do to survive."

The Coast Guard has searched an area roughly the size of Kentucky – some 41,000 square miles. But as the days continue to pass, the discussion has turned to when to give up the search.

"That is a gut-wrenching decision," Fedor said Wednesday, according to CNN. "We are looking at all aspects of the case, but that is something we have to talk about as we move forward."

For now, though, he emphasized that the search remains "active and open."

The boys' families are not giving up either. "The kids are very strong-willed," Blu Stephanos, Austin's father, told Fox News.

"They have a Yeti cooler, a 65-gallon cooler, they have three life jackets, a throw cushion, and I know they've got the will, they've got the want, and they have the skills. So there's no doubt in my mind that they're still out there and they're still waiting to be found."

Florida Teens Lost at Sea Have Been Missing for Six Days People.com

That's a long time to go without water and only one life vest.

 

[ChrisL]

Exactly. This is why I wouldn't let my 14-year-old boy do this type of thing without some kind of adult supervision, boys this age are known to be risk takers and to break rules. This is what I'm trying to say here.

When I was even younger I was sent out to the wilderness alone to hunt, survive, and perform certain tasks as one of my rites of passage into manhood. Smothering children, which you and several other idiots on this thread seem to think is ok, seems to be a white man's quirk. The rest of the world throughout history has seen the wisdom of letting their boys become men. I could have eaten something poisonous or been torn apart by wild animals, but it was an experience I'll treasure forever and I had a right to take that risk.

So, telling two 14 year olds that they should not take their 19 foot boat out into the ocean without adult supervision is smothering them? No, that is called being a responsible parent.

I'm glad my parents weren't "responsible" or I might have ended up like all the passion bereft pussies I see on this thread. I followed the tradition of my father, his father, his father's father, and my ancestors for thousands of years, a proud tradition of a people not governed by womanly values as you clearly are.

Passion bereft pussies? What the fuck is your tiny little brain trying to say? Your made up story about being tossed into the wilderness at the age of 10 or 11 to fend for yourself is amusing. See that in a movie, perhaps? Dream it in your big boy bed? I suppose you think all laws that prevent children from certain activities, driving, drinking, carrying a handgun are all signs of our weakness as a nation. Your parents would have been better off giving you some intellectual ability and the schooling to hone your critical thinking skills. All that time in the wilderness has suppressed whatever intellect you were born with.

I'm American Indian, you stupid fuck, and all boys raised tribally go through these rites. Go hang a stupid sign around your stupid neck, you ignorant fuck. You're through.

Who cares? Get out of my thread, you rude mother fucker. Everything was nice and peaceful until you showed up. Now GET OUT.

 

[Valerie]

That's a long time to go without water and only one life vest.

i know, it doesn't look too hopeful at this point... i have 3 nephews the exact same age, healthy and strong and strong-willed and i keep imagining them in that situation and the thought of losing them is just heart wrenching... damn.

those poor kids and their families.

 

[ChrisL]

Another thing, the boys were not wearing their life vests, or at least one of the boys took his off at some point because they found one of their life vests floating in the water. SMH.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

When I was even younger I was sent out to the wilderness alone to hunt, survive, and perform certain tasks as one of my rites of passage into manhood. Smothering children, which you and several other idiots on this thread seem to think is ok, seems to be a white man's quirk. The rest of the world throughout history has seen the wisdom of letting their boys become men. I could have eaten something poisonous or been torn apart by wild animals, but it was an experience I'll treasure forever and I had a right to take that risk.

So, telling two 14 year olds that they should not take their 19 foot boat out into the ocean without adult supervision is smothering them? No, that is called being a responsible parent.

I'm glad my parents weren't "responsible" or I might have ended up like all the passion bereft pussies I see on this thread. I followed the tradition of my father, his father, his father's father, and my ancestors for thousands of years, a proud tradition of a people not governed by womanly values as you clearly are.

Passion bereft pussies? What the fuck is your tiny little brain trying to say? Your made up story about being tossed into the wilderness at the age of 10 or 11 to fend for yourself is amusing. See that in a movie, perhaps? Dream it in your big boy bed? I suppose you think all laws that prevent children from certain activities, driving, drinking, carrying a handgun are all signs of our weakness as a nation. Your parents would have been better off giving you some intellectual ability and the schooling to hone your critical thinking skills. All that time in the wilderness has suppressed whatever intellect you were born with.

I'm American Indian, you stupid fuck, and all boys raised tribally go through these rites. Go hang a stupid sign around your stupid neck, you ignorant fuck. You're through.

Who cares? Get out of my thread, you rude mother fucker. Everything was nice and peaceful until you showed up. Now GET OUT.

Stop with your passive aggressive bullshit, blaming the parents and then insisting you aren't blaming the parents. You aren't fooling anyone.

And have some chamomile tea. My God, you seem tense.

 

[ChrisL]

So, telling two 14 year olds that they should not take their 19 foot boat out into the ocean without adult supervision is smothering them? No, that is called being a responsible parent.

I'm glad my parents weren't "responsible" or I might have ended up like all the passion bereft pussies I see on this thread. I followed the tradition of my father, his father, his father's father, and my ancestors for thousands of years, a proud tradition of a people not governed by womanly values as you clearly are.

Passion bereft pussies? What the fuck is your tiny little brain trying to say? Your made up story about being tossed into the wilderness at the age of 10 or 11 to fend for yourself is amusing. See that in a movie, perhaps? Dream it in your big boy bed? I suppose you think all laws that prevent children from certain activities, driving, drinking, carrying a handgun are all signs of our weakness as a nation. Your parents would have been better off giving you some intellectual ability and the schooling to hone your critical thinking skills. All that time in the wilderness has suppressed whatever intellect you were born with.

I'm American Indian, you stupid fuck, and all boys raised tribally go through these rites. Go hang a stupid sign around your stupid neck, you ignorant fuck. You're through.

Who cares? Get out of my thread, you rude mother fucker. Everything was nice and peaceful until you showed up. Now GET OUT.

Stop with your passive aggressive bullshit, blaming the parents and then insisting you aren't blaming the parents. You aren't fooling anyone.

And have some chamomile tea. My God, you seem tense.

Get out, shoo-shoo trouble maker.

 

[Ravi]

I don't blame the parents but I wouldn't let two fourteen year olds go out in a boat that had access to the ocean.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Similar to these people that put a full auto uzi in the hands of a 13 year old at a shooting range and they can't control it and it either kills them or their instructor.

Its harsh but if you don't have the sense of when someone is both mentally and physically able to handle adult situations then you get these consequences. I feel sorry for children who's parents don't have common sense.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

I don't blame the parents but I wouldn't let two fourteen year olds go out in a boat that had access to the ocean.

That's a well balanced opinion. There are people of good will on both sides of the issue, but I think it's silly to shield growing boys from life and the risk it brings. Allowing adolescents to take risks means sometimes those risks translate into tragedy, but the result doesn't mean the parents were wrong.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

My question is, "How the hell do parents let two fourteen year old boys boat on the ocean by themselves?"

At first I thought the kids did it because the parents told them they couldn't go. Seems that's not the case.

Good God. My parents wouldn't let me or my siblings go across the street. Yet these parents let their kids go boating alone in the ocean??

Its big news down here in Florida and I doubt any trace of those kids will ever be found. Sharks galore.

My son got his first boat at 6.

At 28, he has never been in trouble, never asked me for money, and been a full grown fuckin' man since 16.

Experienced adults get lost at sea too; when your number is up, your number is up.

Pretty low class to attack parents over this.

According to the parents they were not supposed to be out at sea.

 

[depotoo]

You know, there are states that allow 14 and 15 yr olds to get a hardship driver's license.

My question is, "How the hell do parents let two fourteen year old boys boat on the ocean by themselves?"

At first I thought the kids did it because the parents told them they couldn't go. Seems that's not the case.

Good God. My parents wouldn't let me or my siblings go across the street. Yet these parents let their kids go boating alone in the ocean??

Its big news down here in Florida and I doubt any trace of those kids will ever be found. Sharks galore.

My son got his first boat at 6.

At 28, he has never been in trouble, never asked me for money, and been a full grown fuckin' man since 16.

Experienced adults get lost at sea too; when your number is up, your number is up.

Pretty low class to attack parents over this.

I disagree. When I grew up my parents would have never let us kids take off in a boat on the ocean.

Not low class at all. Just smart.

Their parents told them not to go into the ocean, only the bay.

Exactly. The parents told them not to do it because the parents know it is dangerous. These are two boys who went against what their parents said because they were without adult supervision apparently. That is because they are too young. If they were as experienced as everyone seems to say they were, they would have known better to go out on the rough ocean in a relatively small boat.

 

[ChrisL]

I don't blame the parents but I wouldn't let two fourteen year olds go out in a boat that had access to the ocean.

That's a well balanced opinion. There are people of good will on both sides of the issue, but I think it's silly to shield growing boys from life and the risk it brings. Allowing adolescents to take risks means sometimes those risks translate into tragedy, but the result doesn't mean the parents were wrong.

Nobody said they were wrong. Nobody is blaming them. We are discussing whether or not it is appropriate to let 14-year-old boys on a boat in the ocean by themselves. I say . . . no. They are too young and not nearly experienced ENOUGH to handle the ocean. Even experienced captains have a difficult time in rough seas.

 

[ChrisL]

You know, there are states that allow 14 and 15 yr olds to get a hardship driver's license.

My question is, "How the hell do parents let two fourteen year old boys boat on the ocean by themselves?"

At first I thought the kids did it because the parents told them they couldn't go. Seems that's not the case.

Good God. My parents wouldn't let me or my siblings go across the street. Yet these parents let their kids go boating alone in the ocean??

Its big news down here in Florida and I doubt any trace of those kids will ever be found. Sharks galore.

My son got his first boat at 6.

At 28, he has never been in trouble, never asked me for money, and been a full grown fuckin' man since 16.

Experienced adults get lost at sea too; when your number is up, your number is up.

Pretty low class to attack parents over this.

I disagree. When I grew up my parents would have never let us kids take off in a boat on the ocean.

Not low class at all. Just smart.

Their parents told them not to go into the ocean, only the bay.

Exactly. The parents told them not to do it because the parents know it is dangerous. These are two boys who went against what their parents said because they were without adult supervision apparently. That is because they are too young. If they were as experienced as everyone seems to say they were, they would have known better to go out on the rough ocean in a relatively small boat.

Link? And what a TERRIBLE idea considering teen drivers make up only 12% of all drivers but are responsible for almost HALF of all traffic accidents. That's why we all have to pay so much for car insurance and one reason why there are so many teen deaths. Is it worth it?

 

[ChrisL]

Here are some more accurate statistics. I was going by memory and was off a bit.

Teen Drivers Get the Facts Motor Vehicle Safety CDC Injury Center

 

[depotoo]

And that is exactly what they did. They had told them they could not go out into the ocean.

The parents had a rule not to enter the ocean, only fish in the intracoastal. The boys decided on their own to venture out.

My son got his first boat at 6.

At 28, he has never been in trouble, never asked me for money, and been a full grown fuckin' man since 16.

Experienced adults get lost at sea too; when your number is up, your number is up.

Pretty low class to attack parents over this.

I disagree. When I grew up my parents would have never let us kids take off in a boat on the ocean.

Not low class at all. Just smart.

Exactly. This is why I wouldn't let my 14-year-old boy do this type of thing without some kind of adult supervision, boys this age are known to be risk takers and to break rules. This is what I'm trying to say here.

When I was even younger I was sent out to the wilderness alone to hunt, survive, and perform certain tasks as one of my rites of passage into manhood. Smothering children, which you and several other idiots on this thread seem to think is ok, seems to be a white man's quirk. The rest of the world throughout history has seen the wisdom of letting their boys become men. I could have eaten something poisonous or been torn apart by wild animals, but it was an experience I'll treasure forever and I had a right to take that risk.

So, telling two 14 year olds that they should not take their 19 foot boat out into the ocean without adult supervision is smothering them? No, that is called being a responsible parent.

 

[ChrisL]

And that is exactly what they did. They had told them they could not go out into the ocean.

The parents had a rule not to enter the ocean, only fish in the intracoastal. The boys decided on their own to venture out.

I disagree. When I grew up my parents would have never let us kids take off in a boat on the ocean.

Not low class at all. Just smart.

Exactly. This is why I wouldn't let my 14-year-old boy do this type of thing without some kind of adult supervision, boys this age are known to be risk takers and to break rules. This is what I'm trying to say here.

When I was even younger I was sent out to the wilderness alone to hunt, survive, and perform certain tasks as one of my rites of passage into manhood. Smothering children, which you and several other idiots on this thread seem to think is ok, seems to be a white man's quirk. The rest of the world throughout history has seen the wisdom of letting their boys become men. I could have eaten something poisonous or been torn apart by wild animals, but it was an experience I'll treasure forever and I had a right to take that risk.

So, telling two 14 year olds that they should not take their 19 foot boat out into the ocean without adult supervision is smothering them? No, that is called being a responsible parent.

They did, and what did the boys do? They went out into the ocean. I don't know if you are aware of this, but boys that age don't listen to their mom and dad a lot of times. That is just one more reason why I think they should probably change that rule. I do not think 14-year-old children should be operating a boat without adult supervision. Having an adult on board is NOT harming them.

 

[depotoo]

It was common when I was growing up. My cousin lost his mother at 13 and dad could not be home from work in time to pick him up from school. At 14 he got his.
Hardship Licenses for Teens Free DMV Written Tests

Our kids are coddled more and more each year. Over the last 50 years or so, more and more responsibility has been removed from our kids. I find it damaging, rather than protective.

You know, there are states that allow 14 and 15 yr olds to get a hardship driver's license.

My son got his first boat at 6.

At 28, he has never been in trouble, never asked me for money, and been a full grown fuckin' man since 16.

Experienced adults get lost at sea too; when your number is up, your number is up.

Pretty low class to attack parents over this.

I disagree. When I grew up my parents would have never let us kids take off in a boat on the ocean.

Not low class at all. Just smart.

Their parents told them not to go into the ocean, only the bay.

Exactly. The parents told them not to do it because the parents know it is dangerous. These are two boys who went against what their parents said because they were without adult supervision apparently. That is because they are too young. If they were as experienced as everyone seems to say they were, they would have known better to go out on the rough ocean in a relatively small boat.

Link? And what a TERRIBLE idea considering teen drivers make up only 12% of all drivers but are responsible for almost HALF of all traffic accidents. That's why we all have to pay so much for car insurance and one reason why there are so many teen deaths. Is it worth it?

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

And that is exactly what they did. They had told them they could not go out into the ocean.

The parents had a rule not to enter the ocean, only fish in the intracoastal. The boys decided on their own to venture out.

Exactly. This is why I wouldn't let my 14-year-old boy do this type of thing without some kind of adult supervision, boys this age are known to be risk takers and to break rules. This is what I'm trying to say here.

When I was even younger I was sent out to the wilderness alone to hunt, survive, and perform certain tasks as one of my rites of passage into manhood. Smothering children, which you and several other idiots on this thread seem to think is ok, seems to be a white man's quirk. The rest of the world throughout history has seen the wisdom of letting their boys become men. I could have eaten something poisonous or been torn apart by wild animals, but it was an experience I'll treasure forever and I had a right to take that risk.

So, telling two 14 year olds that they should not take their 19 foot boat out into the ocean without adult supervision is smothering them? No, that is called being a responsible parent.

They did, and what did the boys do? They went out into the ocean. I don't know if you are aware of this, but boys that age don't listen to their mom and dad a lot of times. That is just one more reason why I think they should probably change that rule. I do not think 14-year-old children should be operating a boat without adult supervision. Having an adult on board is NOT harming them.

Yes it is. Helicopter parenting undermines their confidence, stifles their growth, and frustrates their quest for progressive independence. We're not talking about infants here, we're talking about teenage boys. And if impulsiveness is your standard, then we should infantilize people until they're well into their twenties because most of the people getting lost and inducing search and rescue operations are NOT kids.

 

[paddymurphy]

And that is exactly what they did. They had told them they could not go out into the ocean.

Exactly. This is why I wouldn't let my 14-year-old boy do this type of thing without some kind of adult supervision, boys this age are known to be risk takers and to break rules. This is what I'm trying to say here.

When I was even younger I was sent out to the wilderness alone to hunt, survive, and perform certain tasks as one of my rites of passage into manhood. Smothering children, which you and several other idiots on this thread seem to think is ok, seems to be a white man's quirk. The rest of the world throughout history has seen the wisdom of letting their boys become men. I could have eaten something poisonous or been torn apart by wild animals, but it was an experience I'll treasure forever and I had a right to take that risk.

So, telling two 14 year olds that they should not take their 19 foot boat out into the ocean without adult supervision is smothering them? No, that is called being a responsible parent.

They did, and what did the boys do? They went out into the ocean. I don't know if you are aware of this, but boys that age don't listen to their mom and dad a lot of times. That is just one more reason why I think they should probably change that rule. I do not think 14-year-old children should be operating a boat without adult supervision. Having an adult on board is NOT harming them.

Yes it is. Helicopter parenting undermines their confidence, stifles their growth, and frustrates their quest for progressive independence. We're not talking about infants here, we're talking about teenage boys. And if impulsiveness is your standard, then we should infantilize people until they're well into their twenties because most of the people getting lost and inducing search and rescue operations are NOT kids.

Letting them take the boat into the inter-coastal waterway was giving them independence. Had they allowed them to take it out into the ocean as you seem to suggest would have been fine, exposes them to dangers they are not equipped, at 14, to handle.