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that's the thing - it's impossible for the irs to predict what an organization will do. which means that if they're filing 501c4, they'll pretty much get approved.if we're gonna have our hopes - my hope is that in a few years, when it's clear that a vast majority of these 501c4 groups never had any intention of doing anything other than political action that the filers of the false paperwork face fraud charges and personally owe the back taxes.
but that probably won't happen because any prosecution of them will be painted as persecution.
Oh are we slipping back on the meme "They weren't really charitable orgs anyway"? That's already been shown to be bullshit. If it were true they would have had their status stripped or denied, not delayed forever with instrusive questions like what kinds of prayers do you say.
what the irs got in trouble for doing was attempting to predict which groups were legitimate organizations that would engage in social welfare or bullshit fronts to engage solely in political action.
do you believe that all those that applied were legitimate?
that's the thing - it's impossible for the irs to predict what an organization will do. which means that if they're filing 501c4, they'll pretty much get approved.Oh are we slipping back on the meme "They weren't really charitable orgs anyway"? That's already been shown to be bullshit. If it were true they would have had their status stripped or denied, not delayed forever with instrusive questions like what kinds of prayers do you say.
what the irs got in trouble for doing was attempting to predict which groups were legitimate organizations that would engage in social welfare or bullshit fronts to engage solely in political action.
do you believe that all those that applied were legitimate?
No, if they are indeed operating illegally they will have their certification yanked. It isnt up to the IRS to determine in advance whether some time down the road they might operate outside of their legal realm.
The IRS got in trouble for singling out groups based on ideology and subjecting them to delays and inappropriate scrutiny. They have apologized for that, btw.
All the oens that were subject to special delays and scrutiny were legitimate, yes.
1. A forensic computer team could recover the emails .. assuming a forensic computer team didn't erase said emails, then it boils down to the best forensic team.
2. what actual harm came to the Tea Party?
3. LL is now a civilian.
4. The right always has had a hard on for the IRS since day one, this is their pound of flesh.
5. The IRS won't go away regardless what Learner did or the right does. Deal with it.
1. A forensic computer team could recover the emails .. assuming a forensic computer team didn't erase said emails, then it boils down to the best forensic team.
2. what actual harm came to the Tea Party?
3. LL is now a civilian.
4. The right always has had a hard on for the IRS since day one, this is their pound of flesh.
5. The IRS won't go away regardless what Learner did or the right does. Deal with it.
Why should anyone have to "recover" the emails? By law they had to be backed up. Backed up with paper copies. You had 7 hard drives supposedly "crash"...with nobody recovering data from the tape backup...and nobody creating paper copies. That's negligence so egregious that it borders on the criminal. The IRS knew that Camp was asking questions about the data that was in those 7 computers and yet it's obvious that they were more than happy to have that data disappear.
What actual harm does someone who was unjustly denied the right to vote suffer? The answer to that is obvious...as is the harm that conservatives suffered because of Lerner's actions.
Does leaving your job make you exempt from punishment for any wrongdoing you did previously? So you can break the law...take the 5th...retire with full benefits and nobody should care? Really?
Everyone has a hard on for the IRS because the IRS has a hard on for everyone! When you treat people like shit then you shouldn't expect sympathy from them when you get your ass caught in a crack.
If the IRS is shown to have deliberately covered up this scandal it could very well be what starts a serious discussion of alternative methods of tax collection that would do away with the IRS.
1. A forensic computer team could recover the emails .. assuming a forensic computer team didn't erase said emails, then it boils down to the best forensic team.
2. what actual harm came to the Tea Party?
3. LL is now a civilian.
4. The right always has had a hard on for the IRS since day one, this is their pound of flesh.
5. The IRS won't go away regardless what Learner did or the right does. Deal with it.
Why should anyone have to "recover" the emails? By law they had to be backed up. Backed up with paper copies. You had 7 hard drives supposedly "crash"...with nobody recovering data from the tape backup...and nobody creating paper copies. That's negligence so egregious that it borders on the criminal. The IRS knew that Camp was asking questions about the data that was in those 7 computers and yet it's obvious that they were more than happy to have that data disappear.
What actual harm does someone who was unjustly denied the right to vote suffer? The answer to that is obvious...as is the harm that conservatives suffered because of Lerner's actions.
Does leaving your job make you exempt from punishment for any wrongdoing you did previously? So you can break the law...take the 5th...retire with full benefits and nobody should care? Really?
Everyone has a hard on for the IRS because the IRS has a hard on for everyone! When you treat people like shit then you shouldn't expect sympathy from them when you get your ass caught in a crack.
If the IRS is shown to have deliberately covered up this scandal it could very well be what starts a serious discussion of alternative methods of tax collection that would do away with the IRS.
like what the fair tax that isn't fair unless you're a libertarian or warped out RW'er
riiiiiiiiiiight
1. A forensic computer team could recover the emails .. assuming a forensic computer team didn't erase said emails, then it boils down to the best forensic team.
2. what actual harm came to the Tea Party?
3. LL is now a civilian.
4. The right always has had a hard on for the IRS since day one, this is their pound of flesh.
5. The IRS won't go away regardless what Learner did or the right does. Deal with it.
Why should anyone have to "recover" the emails? By law they had to be backed up. Backed up with paper copies. You had 7 hard drives supposedly "crash"...with nobody recovering data from the tape backup...and nobody creating paper copies. That's negligence so egregious that it borders on the criminal. The IRS knew that Camp was asking questions about the data that was in those 7 computers and yet it's obvious that they were more than happy to have that data disappear.
What actual harm does someone who was unjustly denied the right to vote suffer? The answer to that is obvious...as is the harm that conservatives suffered because of Lerner's actions.
Does leaving your job make you exempt from punishment for any wrongdoing you did previously? So you can break the law...take the 5th...retire with full benefits and nobody should care? Really?
Everyone has a hard on for the IRS because the IRS has a hard on for everyone! When you treat people like shit then you shouldn't expect sympathy from them when you get your ass caught in a crack.
If the IRS is shown to have deliberately covered up this scandal it could very well be what starts a serious discussion of alternative methods of tax collection that would do away with the IRS.
like what the fair tax that isn't fair unless you're a libertarian or warped out RW'er
riiiiiiiiiiight
that's the thing - it's impossible for the irs to predict what an organization will do. which means that if they're filing 501c4, they'll pretty much get approved.if we're gonna have our hopes - my hope is that in a few years, when it's clear that a vast majority of these 501c4 groups never had any intention of doing anything other than political action that the filers of the false paperwork face fraud charges and personally owe the back taxes.
but that probably won't happen because any prosecution of them will be painted as persecution.
Oh are we slipping back on the meme "They weren't really charitable orgs anyway"? That's already been shown to be bullshit. If it were true they would have had their status stripped or denied, not delayed forever with instrusive questions like what kinds of prayers do you say.
what the irs got in trouble for doing was attempting to predict which groups were legitimate organizations that would engage in social welfare or bullshit fronts to engage solely in political action.
do you believe that all those that applied were legitimate?
Why should anyone have to "recover" the emails? By law they had to be backed up. Backed up with paper copies. You had 7 hard drives supposedly "crash"...with nobody recovering data from the tape backup...and nobody creating paper copies. That's negligence so egregious that it borders on the criminal. The IRS knew that Camp was asking questions about the data that was in those 7 computers and yet it's obvious that they were more than happy to have that data disappear.
What actual harm does someone who was unjustly denied the right to vote suffer? The answer to that is obvious...as is the harm that conservatives suffered because of Lerner's actions.
Does leaving your job make you exempt from punishment for any wrongdoing you did previously? So you can break the law...take the 5th...retire with full benefits and nobody should care? Really?
Everyone has a hard on for the IRS because the IRS has a hard on for everyone! When you treat people like shit then you shouldn't expect sympathy from them when you get your ass caught in a crack.
If the IRS is shown to have deliberately covered up this scandal it could very well be what starts a serious discussion of alternative methods of tax collection that would do away with the IRS.
like what the fair tax that isn't fair unless you're a libertarian or warped out RW'er
riiiiiiiiiiight
When called on your bullshit you deflect.
Typical.
like what the fair tax that isn't fair unless you're a libertarian or warped out RW'er
riiiiiiiiiiight
When called on your bullshit you deflect.
Typical.
deflect how ? OS quotes - " If the IRS is shown to have deliberately covered up this scandal it could very well be what starts a serious discussion of alternative methods of tax collection that would do away with the IRS"
so do YOU care to discuss alternative methods to collect tax ?
I mentioned a Fair Tax and you?
or do you just want to slobber about something else irrelevant ?
you decide.
When called on your bullshit you deflect.
Typical.
deflect how ? OS quotes - " If the IRS is shown to have deliberately covered up this scandal it could very well be what starts a serious discussion of alternative methods of tax collection that would do away with the IRS"
so do YOU care to discuss alternative methods to collect tax ?
I mentioned a Fair Tax and you?
or do you just want to slobber about something else irrelevant ?
you decide.
I was simply responding to your statement that we were stuck with the IRS no matter what. That isn't the case. There are alternatives to the IRS if they are shown to be so corrupt that they can't be trusted.
Which brings us right back to the hard drive "crashes". Nobody with functioning gray matter between their ears buys that scenario. It's an obvious attempt to cover up what took place at the IRS. So the question then becomes...what do we do to punish those responsible?
like what the fair tax that isn't fair unless you're a libertarian or warped out RW'er
riiiiiiiiiiight
When called on your bullshit you deflect.
Typical.
deflect how ? OS quotes - " If the IRS is shown to have deliberately covered up this scandal it could very well be what starts a serious discussion of alternative methods of tax collection that would do away with the IRS"
so do YOU care to discuss alternative methods to collect tax ?
I mentioned a Fair Tax and you?
or do you just want to slobber about something else irrelevant ?
you decide.
