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Outside of the mental health info. in Background checks...and even that has major problems.....none of the other measures you harp on would have stopped this mass shooting or any of the others. They would not stop the criminals from committing crime with guns.
A much LARGER problem than mass shootings in this country is gang warfare which brings our national homicide rate up to a ridiculous level.
Gun fetishists? Lol. Just because people recognize how important our rights are and that they need to be defended because the government does NOT have the power to grant or take away rights as they see fit. Our rights are not dependent on "feelings."
One more time.
There are no rights.
There are privileges you have based on what the rest of society thinks is reasonable.
Any fool who thinks he has 'rights' needs to look up "Japanese Americans, 1942".
At one time, people thought that you had a "right" to own slaves. Until people thought that was unacceptable.
There is no good reason for civilians to own guns. None at all. We don't need to hunt for sustinence, you will never overthrow the government with your handguns and a gun is more likely to kill a member of your family than a bad guy.
Now, if you want to keep having the PRIVILEGE of owning a gun, then you gun nuts need to clean up your collective act. People like Mercer, Holmes, Roof, have no business having guns.
If you can't keep guns away from them without keeping them away from the rest of you, I really, really, really don't have a problem with that.
Outside of the mental health info. in Background checks...and even that has major problems.....none of the other measures you harp on would have stopped this mass shooting or any of the others. They would not stop the criminals from committing crime with guns.
Except that if Mercer had to go in for a license where they did a background check on him before granting him a license, they would have found out about his mental health problems, or that the Army discharged him after a few weeks.
You see, the thing is, the media never has a problem finding out these guys were crazy AFTER they do a shooting, but we never seem to be able to figure that out while they are accumulating enough guns to fight the Zombie Apocalypse.
Your NRA/GOP perfect world.
It worked in Australia.
We're not going to let you people have a gun round up here.
In which case the blood of innocents is on your head and hands, and on those of your fellow gun fetishists, since you aren't prepared to even consider any reasonable measures at all to stem the slaughter.
Gun fetishists? Lol. Just because people recognize how important our rights are and that they need to be defended because the government does NOT have the power to grant or take away rights as they see fit. Our rights are not dependent on "feelings."
I make the distinction between normal gun owners and the gun fetishists who are obsessed single issue voters who can't live without their precious penile substitutes.
I defend the right to have firearms but with that right comes responsibility and accountability.
The gun fetishists want to have their guns without taking any responsibility or accountability for what happened in the OP.
Yes, they are accountable and responsible because they have actively obstructed all attempts at reasonable and sane measures to prevent these kinds of tragedies and they are still doing so right here in this thread.
Explain the measures that would have prevented this.
Joe, you have said these same comments a million times on these boards, you're just going to have to once and for all get it through your head there isn't going to be a gun round up here.
You're free to work at creating more and more background checks, longer waiting periods, more and more red tape, yada yada.
Those things however only affect guns that have yet to be purchased, there are already over 300 million guns in the hands of private citizens. The Genie is out of the bottle, your choices really come down to which country you want to move to that doesn't allow private ownership.
Would you like me to send you some travel brochures ?
And if laws were in place that stopped him from purchasing at a retail establishment, then he could have simply found other ways, like purchasing from private sellers.
Joe, you have said these same comments a million times on these boards, you're just going to have to once and for all get it through your head there isn't going to be a gun round up here.
You're free to work at creating more and more background checks, longer waiting periods, more and more red tape, yada yada.
Those things however only affect guns that have yet to be purchased, there are already over 300 million guns in the hands of private citizens. The Genie is out of the bottle, your choices really come down to which country you want to move to that doesn't allow private ownership.
Would you like me to send you some travel brochures ?
THis is what gun nuts in Australia and England said, right before the government rounded up their guns and melted them down... It was epic.
I'm happy to start with guns yet to be purchased, as they are usually the ones that end up being bought by people like Mercer before they go on a rampage.
Rounding up the existing ones will happen sooner than later, though. Your own radicalism assures that.
And if laws were in place that stopped him from purchasing at a retail establishment, then he could have simply found other ways, like purchasing from private sellers.
Then you throw the private sellers in jail like they did to the assholes who sold to the Columbine shooters.
This really isn't complicated, guy. You probably realize this, or you wouldn't be shitting yourself every time there is a mass shooting terrified people might wake up to your bullshit.
Free mental health care across the nation is a place to start.
Moron..their criminals are getting guns easily...in Britain, Australia and the rest of Europe..their gun banning didn't stop their criminals from getting guns, just their law abiding citizens.
The private seller who sold to the teenagers knew he was breaking the law....he broke the law moron......so pass as many laws as you want...if someone is willing to break them you can't stop them...you can only punish them after the fact...moron.