BREAKING NEWS: Arlen Specter switching parties to give Democrats 60 votes in Senate

[jillian]

i find it interesting that specter is heroic for leaving his party to preserve his seat, but lieberman was vilified for doing the same.

lieberman should have run as a republican. i think THAT's what ticked off the dems. but i'm sure there's some truth to the whole "whose ox is being gored" thing.

it's not the first time Spector has changed parties, btw. From what I understand, he became a repub to win a D.A.'s race...

you know, the real conservatives (not the extremist nutcases) should actually not be so upset about this.

the dems are going to owe Spector HUGE.... and on issues where he's the 60th vote and is to the right of the party?

he's going to hold a LOT of sway.

I would think we'd understand why he might enjoy the role of power broker.

why? what ticked off the dems was that he supported the war and did not gently go into that good night. he'd be a hypocrite to become a republican if he didn't support most of the republican "platform". i assume he didn't.

i doubt very much that specter is to the right of anyone currently in the senate with the exception of bernie sanders. his balls are in a democratic vice until he secures the dem spot on the ticket. he'll do what he's told and like it. serves him right.

you bolded one small part of my post, but i also said there was the whole whose ox is being gored thing....

if lieberman had run as a repub, he wouldn't have split the votes like he did when he ran as an independent.... plus, he wouldn't have had any argument at all with respect to retaining his committee appointments.

lieberman also had the chutzpah to go talk at the repub convention... it was disgusting.

in reality, lieberman probably DOES support most of the repub agenda... he agrees with most of the religious stuff... and the war stuff...

where does he disagree? corporatist issues?

maybe. *shrug*

 

[DiamondDave]

Oooooo.. Lieberman spoke at the REP convention

But yet his voting record was/is very much on the left

I more respect support based on your belief in a better option, than just blind party lines...

 

[del]

lieberman should have run as a republican. i think THAT's what ticked off the dems. but i'm sure there's some truth to the whole "whose ox is being gored" thing.

it's not the first time Spector has changed parties, btw. From what I understand, he became a repub to win a D.A.'s race...

you know, the real conservatives (not the extremist nutcases) should actually not be so upset about this.

the dems are going to owe Spector HUGE.... and on issues where he's the 60th vote and is to the right of the party?

he's going to hold a LOT of sway.

I would think we'd understand why he might enjoy the role of power broker.

why? what ticked off the dems was that he supported the war and did not gently go into that good night. he'd be a hypocrite to become a republican if he didn't support most of the republican "platform". i assume he didn't.

i doubt very much that specter is to the right of anyone currently in the senate with the exception of bernie sanders. his balls are in a democratic vice until he secures the dem spot on the ticket. he'll do what he's told and like it. serves him right.

you bolded one small part of my post, but i also said there was the whole whose ox is being gored thing....

if lieberman had run as a repub, he wouldn't have split the votes like he did when he ran as an independent.... plus, he wouldn't have had any argument at all with respect to retaining his committee appointments.

lieberman also had the chutzpah to go talk at the repub convention... it was disgusting.

in reality, lieberman probably DOES support most of the repub agenda... he agrees with most of the religious stuff... and the war stuff...

where does he disagree? corporatist issues?

maybe. *shrug*

correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't he speak to the convention after he was thrown under the bus by the DNC? what religious stuff are you talking about?

i agree that whose ox is being gored certainly has something to do with it.
i still think that running as an independent was the right thing for lieberman to do- he still caucuses with the dems, right?

 

[sealybobo]

Why bother? There's no significant differences between the two parties.

He did it because he would have lost the REPUBLICAN PRIMARY.

The die hard Republican rank and file Republican Partisans are anything BUT co-conspirators in the SINGLE PARTY SWINDLE.

They're being duped, of course by the Masters of the RNC, but at least they;re HONESTLY partisan.

Same with the die hard DEM partisans. They're also being duped by the DNC.

Well, Spector saw the handwriting on the wall and realized he'd probably win the general election but needed to be in the race to win it.

Toomey will win the Republican primary then get killed in the General election (assuming Obama's bailout plan doesn't blow up in his face, first)

1. How do you decide who you are going to vote for?

2. Who did you vote for President?

3. Who did you vote for in your state elections (Senators/Gov/Congress)

4. Any good Republicans you can talk up?

5. Do you even vote? All you guys who bash people like me for being pro Democrat. Remember I told you I was more anti GOP than I am pro Dem? Well now you see guys like Spector agree with me. He's not so much a liberal as he is a moderate who's convinced that the GOP party sucks balls. Can't deny it.

 

[007]

The ONLY reason that Republicans lost the house and the senate is that they were not conservative enough.

No truer words have been spoken on this board...

 

[sealybobo]

Oooooo.. Lieberman spoke at the REP convention

But yet his voting record was/is very much on the left

I more respect support based on your belief in a better option, than just blind party lines...

I truly disagree with the GOP on almost every issue. I'm not just voting down party lines.

I don't suppose that will change until the GOP start looking out for labor.

The only middle class people that still support the GOP are the red necks down south who are social conservatives, who by the way are voting against their own financial interests because of god, gays and guns.

But that's where Toyota and Honda come in. Wages may be going down up north, but down south they are having a heck of a time with the $15 they make working for Toyota/Honda.

 

[HUGGY]

Oooooo.. Lieberman spoke at the REP convention

But yet his voting record was/is very much on the left

I more respect support based on your belief in a better option, than just blind party lines...

I truly disagree with the GOP on almost every issue. I'm not just voting down party lines.

I don't suppose that will change until the GOP start looking out for labor.

The only middle class people that still support the GOP are the red necks down south who are social conservatives, who by the way are voting against their own financial interests because of god, gays and guns.

But that's where Toyota and Honda come in. Wages may be going down up north, but down south they are having a heck of a time with the $15 they make working for Toyota/Honda.

I don't suppose that will change until the GOP start looking out for labor.

That'll be a cold day in hell.

 

[Meister]

I figure that as long as Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter continue to be spokespersons for the republican party, a once great party will be relegated to being the party of southern whites and Miami Cubans.

I suspect that the Miami Cubans will eventually grow up.

Really? Because the way I look at it...George Soros is the big gun for your democrats. Fact is that Soros has a lot more influence over the dems than Ann, or Rush do over the repubs. Care to refute that FOGGIE?

Just keep thinking that. The Rushpublican Party is rapidly approaching having the same revelance as the John Birsh Society.

Don't like talking about George Soros do you Old Rocks? Hell, if the man was strongarming my party I wouldn't either.

 

[Meister]

A little difference between Liebermann & Spector. Most of the registered voters in Connecticut are registered INDEPENDENTS-not republican or democrat.

While democrats in Connecticut were furious with Liebermann's support of the Iraq war--it was independents that re-elected him.

And it will probably be independents and democrats that re-elect Spector. As well as a few more Dems for the Senate. The Rushpublican Party continues their rush to oblivion.

Rushpublican.. I like it.

Sorosocrat has quite a ring to it too, huh?

 

[WillowTree]

And it will probably be independents and democrats that re-elect Spector. As well as a few more Dems for the Senate. The Rushpublican Party continues their rush to oblivion.

Rushpublican.. I like it.

Sorosocrat has quite a ring to it too, huh?

sawah knows how to pick winners..

 

[Steerpike]

This is meaningless in terms of a news story. Specter is going to vote the way he always has, so it doesn't 'give' the Democrats 60 votes. They had his votes already.

 

[sealybobo]

How about alphabetical order and let the Libertarians go before the socialists.

We're afraid of their "every man for himself" montra. No social programs, no social services, no social security, privatize everything.

It's "mantra" and what you're afraid of are the principles on which America is founded...

It's no secret that you're afraid of those principles... it's what makes your ideology such a bleeding MENACE.

You have NO RIGHT to the product of another man's labor... PERIOD. FOR ANY REASON.

Now you'll surely disagree... but here's what happens when you disagree... I ASK YOU TO TELL ME WHAT RIGHT YOU HAVE TO THE PRODUCT OF ANOTHER PERSON'S LABOR; and that is where you FAIL.

So tell me: WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO SOMEONE ELSE'S LABOR?

The member will now NOT be able to provide us with a RIGHT which she has that would entitle her to the product of someone elses labor. And when she fails to do so, she concedes, if only by default, that her fears are unfounded pablum, which amounts to nothing but her having folded to the weakness of her own personal character.

Ok, "Mantra". See, I gave you an article from an award winning progressive explaining that our founding fathers specifically worried about our country turning into an oligarchy and you completely blew off the founders warnings.

Oligarchy (Greek Ὀλιγαρχία, Oligarkhía) is a form of government where power effectively rests with a small elite segment of society distinguished by royalty, wealth, family, military influence or religious hegemony. The word oligarchy is from the Greek words for "few" (ὀλίγος olígos) and "rule" (ἀρχή arkh&#275. Such states are often controlled by politically powerful families whose children are heavily conditioned and mentored to be heirs of the power of the oligarchy.[citation needed] Oligarchies have been tyrannical throughout history, being completely reliant on public servitude to exist. Although Aristotle pioneered the use of the term as a synonym for rule by the rich, for which the exact term is plutocracy, oligarchy is not always a rule by wealth, as oligarchs can simply be a privileged group. Some city-states from Ancient Greece were oligarchies.


The GOP don't give a fuck about "the rabble".

Do you feel you are not part of "the rabble"? You'd have to make an awful lot of money to be one of them. I doubt you are.

So they have talking points that appeal to your conservativism. Sure, what right does one man have to another man's labor. Good "mantra" Makes perfect sense. Only every great country in the world has some bit of socialism in their system. Yes, the rich pay higher taxes. And if you can't understand phylisophically why too much money in the hands of a few is a problem, then I don't know what to say. That's your problem.

And relax, no one wants to take your shit. You don't make enough. For example, liberals don't want the death tax to hit anyone if the will is less than $10 milllion.

But so maybe you need to learn history from another viewpoint. The Founders didn't just warn us about big government. They also warned us about corporations and the rich. Start listening to that side of their story, because it is the rich and corporations who are selling out the middle class, with the help of the GOP.

Your way, there is no middle class. Only rich and poor.

Our way, there is a huge middle class, a lot of rich people and fewer poor. Our rich are not as rich as when you are in power, but they don't need all the money they have. And they won't trickle it down to us, because you are greedy sons of bitches.

 

[Sarah G]

And it will probably be independents and democrats that re-elect Spector. As well as a few more Dems for the Senate. The Rushpublican Party continues their rush to oblivion.

Rushpublican.. I like it.

Sorosocrat has quite a ring to it too, huh?

No. Soros isn't on the radio 3 hrs. a day talking about what a great Democratic leader he is. In fact, I don't hear anything about him or from him as a rule. He just quietly donates money and then goes about his businesses.

 

[amrchaos]

Specter was chased out by right wing nutjobs. Too much of a moderate in their book. He tend to behave like a Democrat!! Dd he not try to investigate Cheney and the phone companies over their questionable use of wiretapps?



Specter-he is not fanatical enough. He is now a Donkey!!

 

[Sarah G]

In fact, I can't stand Rush:

The personification of the downfall of the Republican party -- himself.

 

[Chris]

Rushpublican.. I like it.

Sorosocrat has quite a ring to it too, huh?

No. Soros isn't on the radio 3 hrs. a day talking about what a great Democratic leader he is. In fact, I don't hear anything about him or from him as a rule. He just quietly donates money and then goes about his businesses.

And Soros didn't get the FCC to change the rules about owning radio, tv, and newpapers in the same media market like Rupert Murdoch did.

Thank goodness the right wing hate machine is beginning to crumble.

 

[Meister]

Rushpublican.. I like it.

Sorosocrat has quite a ring to it too, huh?

No. Soros isn't on the radio 3 hrs. a day talking about what a great Democratic leader he is. In fact, I don't hear anything about him or from him as a rule. He just quietly donates money and then goes about his businesses.

Who do you think is pushing the democrats to a hard left? With the millions he is donating to your party, he is expecting, and getting returns for his buck. The reason you don't hear too much about him is that he's the dirty little secret of your party. No one wants to talk about him in your party. But, no mistake he is very powerful behind the curtain. There are a lot of democrats that are beholding to Soros. Just like Al Franken, Soros donated a lot of money to that campaign. He is a lot more influential to the democrats than rush or Ann is to their party.
Rush, and Ann don't talk about what great republican leaders they are. They talk about conservatism, and what it really means. You should try to listen to Rush for 2 days...just 2 days. I listened to Keith Olbermann for 2 days to just see what he was all about. I didn't agree with him at all, but, at least I knew what he was about.

 

[Sarah G]

Sorosocrat has quite a ring to it too, huh?

No. Soros isn't on the radio 3 hrs. a day talking about what a great Democratic leader he is. In fact, I don't hear anything about him or from him as a rule. He just quietly donates money and then goes about his businesses.

And Soros didn't get the FCC to change the rules about owning radio, tv, and newpapers in the same media market like Rupert Murdoch did.

Thank goodness the right wing hate machine is beginning to crumble.

Hallelujah.. Couldn't happen to a nicer party.

 

[Chris]

In fact, I can't stand Rush:

The personification of the downfall of the Republican party -- himself.

It is amaziing isn't it that the head of the Republican National Committee is so frightened of Rush that he has to cowtow to him?

 

[amrchaos]

Now--what about that Supreme Court, Democrats?

You got the Senate, the House, and that other house too--why stop there?

I say "convince" a couple of right wingers to step down by applying some "Humane Enhanced interrogation Techniques" in reference to the 2000 election and you lefties have the whole nation!!

Oh wait--H.E.I.T. is endorsed by Republicans!!