BREAKING NEWS: Federal Judge grants stay on Trump's Muslim ban

[jon_berzerk]

The Department of Homeland Security will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders in a manner that ensures the safety and security of the American people. President Trump’s Executive Orders remain in place—prohibited travel will remain prohibited, and the U.S. government retains its right to revoke visas at any time if required for national security or public safety. President Trump’s Executive Order affects a minor portion of international travelers, and is a first step towards reestablishing control over America’s borders and national security.


Approximately 80 million international travelers enter the United States every year. Yesterday, less than one percent of the more than 325,000 international air travelers who arrive every day were inconvenienced while enhanced security measures were implemented. These individuals went through enhanced security screenings and are being processed for entry to the United States, consistent with our immigration laws and judicial orders.

The Department of Homeland Security will faithfully execute the immigration laws, and we will treat all of those we encounter humanely and with professionalism. No foreign national in a foreign land, without ties to the United States, has any unfettered right to demand entry into the United States or to demand immigration benefits in the United States.

The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders; faithfully enforce our immigration laws, and implement President Trump’s Executive Orders to ensure that those entering the United States do not pose a threat to our country or the American people.

Department Of Homeland Security Response To Recent Litigation | Homeland Security

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Screaming about the zionist conspiracy and demanding the "jew media" get shut down is the definition of a Nazi.

Wait...what? You support George Soros - who literally and actually worked for Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's and called it "the greatest time in my life". You support Palestine. You support the obliteration of Israel.

You and your progressive pals are the ultimate anti-semites. boedicca is a typical conservative - she supports Israel. Project much, mammy?!?

Leftist Maniacs worldwide hate Israel, so what's new.

 

[Vandalshandle]

My understanding is that Trump was going to vet by asking each one if he is a muslim. Somebody in his administration realized that might not be enough, so now, they will have to eat a slice of bacon as well.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I guess that delegates to the UN will have to telecommute.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

I did address the topic but you are too fucking stupid to take it in...a sovereign country has the right to deny any non-citizen of any perceived hostile country regardless of their visa status. How fucking hard is that for you to understand??? Carter did the same fucking thing during the Iran hostage crisis....remember???

What is even more ironic is that Russian diplomats WITH visas and with diplomatic immunity were kicked out of the country because THEIR country were falsely accused of hacking the DNC's e-mails revealing fraudulent activity....and leftards cheered.......you just can't make this shit up......

Falsely? Only you idiotic Trumpers consider it false. The entire US intelligence communitee disagrees with you nuts.

You are so fucking stupid I'm amazed you can breath without instructions.
Do you even know how many categories there are that allow foreigners to come to America?

Whats idiotically stupid are those that still believe Russia had nothing to do with the hacks.

What's idiotically stupid is putting out an EO that is so broad and poorly worded it's leaving valid VISA holders - green card holders with permanent residence - stranded outside the US indefinitely.

What's not idiotically stupid, but highly questionable is why the countries, from which we HAVE had terrorists come out of AND which Trump has big business interests - remain OFF the list.

ad hominem...we are discussing Trump's EO (actually Obama's).
As usual, you rely on your FEELINGS.
You have ZERO idea of what you are discussing in terms of foreigners being granted access to the US.

Are you denying that this is occurring or are you just going to run around calling people stupid and then whining about "ad hominem"?

What's idiotically stupid is putting out an EO that is so broad and poorly worded it's leaving valid VISA holders - green card holders with permanent residence - stranded outside the US indefinitely.

People who have been residing in the US for years, who left to visit other countries can not now re-enter the US. Is this a good thing in your mind?

Refugees - who have spent as much as 6 years going through the vetting process, been given the green light, cut their ties, quit their jobs if they had them, suddenly stopped from boarding plans out of the hellhole they're trying to escape. You think this is good - but then, you probably also believe they are "completely unvetted" according to the rightwing's "alternative fact" claims.

It's no different then those who refused admission to the Jews fleeing Nazi Germany.

The US refugee vetting system is the most stringent of any country.

There is a fundamental difference, Jews aren't prone to blowing themselves up in terrorist attacks, or chopping heads off, or mowing people down in the streets with trucks or going on gang-raping nights on the town etc.

 

[Dale Smith]

I did address the topic but you are too fucking stupid to take it in...a sovereign country has the right to deny any non-citizen of any perceived hostile country regardless of their visa status. How fucking hard is that for you to understand??? Carter did the same fucking thing during the Iran hostage crisis....remember???

What is even more ironic is that Russian diplomats WITH visas and with diplomatic immunity were kicked out of the country because THEIR country were falsely accused of hacking the DNC's e-mails revealing fraudulent activity....and leftards cheered.......you just can't make this shit up......

Falsely? Only you idiotic Trumpers consider it false. The entire US intelligence communitee disagrees with you nuts.

You are so fucking stupid I'm amazed you can breath without instructions.
Do you even know how many categories there are that allow foreigners to come to America?

Whats idiotically stupid are those that still believe Russia had nothing to do with the hacks.

What's idiotically stupid is putting out an EO that is so broad and poorly worded it's leaving valid VISA holders - green card holders with permanent residence - stranded outside the US indefinitely.

What's not idiotically stupid, but highly questionable is why the countries, from which we HAVE had terrorists come out of AND which Trump has big business interests - remain OFF the list.

ad hominem...we are discussing Trump's EO (actually Obama's).
As usual, you rely on your FEELINGS.
You have ZERO idea of what you are discussing in terms of foreigners being granted access to the US.

Are you denying that this is occurring or are you just going to run around calling people stupid and then whining about "ad hominem"?

What's idiotically stupid is putting out an EO that is so broad and poorly worded it's leaving valid VISA holders - green card holders with permanent residence - stranded outside the US indefinitely.

People who have been residing in the US for years, who left to visit other countries can not now re-enter the US. Is this a good thing in your mind?

Refugees - who have spent as much as 6 years going through the vetting process, been given the green light, cut their ties, quit their jobs if they had them, suddenly stopped from boarding plans out of the hellhole they're trying to escape. You think this is good - but then, you probably also believe they are "completely unvetted" according to the rightwing's "alternative fact" claims.

It's no different then those who refused admission to the Jews fleeing Nazi Germany.

The US refugee vetting system is the most stringent of any country.

"The US refugee vetting system is the most stringent of any country"

If that is the case, how come UPS and Kalitta airlines was flying in refugees covertly and under the cover of night and wanted pilots to sign NDAs????? Even the FBI said there was no way to do the proper vetting of these refugees in the time frame asked of them. They are being used as a trojan horse and you are too fucking stupid to see it.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

I don't know, dude....I don't know...the stupidity of the left is like a contagious disease and it must be those that only dabbled their big toe in the gene pool that are most susceptible...........it's pretty fucking scary to think these morons are among us......

And that has what to do with the topic? You're talking about idiocy but can't even manage to address the topic - Trump's EO and the Courts?

I did address the topic but you are too fucking stupid to take it in...a sovereign country has the right to deny any non-citizen of any perceived hostile country regardless of their visa status. How fucking hard is that for you to understand??? Carter did the same fucking thing during the Iran hostage crisis....remember???

I did address the topic but you are too fucking stupid to take it in...a sovereign country has the right to deny any non-citizen of any perceived hostile country regardless of their visa status. How fucking hard is that for you to understand??? Carter did the same fucking thing during the Iran hostage crisis....remember???

Coyote IS too fucking stupid to understand any based on facts.

What is even more ironic is that Russian diplomats WITH visas and with diplomatic immunity were kicked out of the country because THEIR country were falsely accused of hacking the DNC's e-mails revealing fraudulent activity....and leftards cheered.......you just can't make this shit up......

Falsely? Only you idiotic Trumpers consider it false. The entire US intelligence communitee disagrees with you nuts.

You are so fucking stupid I'm amazed you can breath without instructions.
Do you even know how many categories there are that allow foreigners to come to America?

Whats idiotically stupid are those that still believe Russia had nothing to do with the hacks.

What's idiotically stupid is putting out an EO that is so broad and poorly worded it's leaving valid VISA holders - green card holders with permanent residence - stranded outside the US indefinitely.

What's not idiotically stupid, but highly questionable is why the countries, from which we HAVE had terrorists come out of AND which Trump has big business interests - remain OFF the list.

"Whats idiotically stupid are those that still believe Russia had nothing to do with the hacks."

Russia had nothing to do with the hacks, it was all the work of the Amish.

The Amish are dangerous and they're out of control and they must be stopped

 

[Vandalshandle]

Falsely? Only you idiotic Trumpers consider it false. The entire US intelligence communitee disagrees with you nuts.

You are so fucking stupid I'm amazed you can breath without instructions.
Do you even know how many categories there are that allow foreigners to come to America?

Whats idiotically stupid are those that still believe Russia had nothing to do with the hacks.

What's idiotically stupid is putting out an EO that is so broad and poorly worded it's leaving valid VISA holders - green card holders with permanent residence - stranded outside the US indefinitely.

What's not idiotically stupid, but highly questionable is why the countries, from which we HAVE had terrorists come out of AND which Trump has big business interests - remain OFF the list.

ad hominem...we are discussing Trump's EO (actually Obama's).
As usual, you rely on your FEELINGS.
You have ZERO idea of what you are discussing in terms of foreigners being granted access to the US.

Are you denying that this is occurring or are you just going to run around calling people stupid and then whining about "ad hominem"?

What's idiotically stupid is putting out an EO that is so broad and poorly worded it's leaving valid VISA holders - green card holders with permanent residence - stranded outside the US indefinitely.

People who have been residing in the US for years, who left to visit other countries can not now re-enter the US. Is this a good thing in your mind?

Refugees - who have spent as much as 6 years going through the vetting process, been given the green light, cut their ties, quit their jobs if they had them, suddenly stopped from boarding plans out of the hellhole they're trying to escape. You think this is good - but then, you probably also believe they are "completely unvetted" according to the rightwing's "alternative fact" claims.

It's no different then those who refused admission to the Jews fleeing Nazi Germany.

The US refugee vetting system is the most stringent of any country.

There is a fundamental difference, Jews aren't prone to blowing themselves up in terrorist attacks, or chopping heads off, or mowing people down in the streets with trucks or going on gang-raping nights on the town etc.

This is going to come as a big shock to the guy who wrote Meyer Lansky's biography....

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Screaming about the zionist conspiracy and demanding the "jew media" get shut down is the definition of a Nazi.

Wait...what? You support George Soros - who literally and actually worked for Adolf Hitler and the Nazi's and called it "the greatest time in my life". You support Palestine. You support the obliteration of Israel.

You and your progressive pals are the ultimate anti-semites. boedicca is a typical conservative - she supports Israel. Project much, mammy?!?

"Project much, mammy?!?"

WTF?! Are you a racist or something?

 

[Indeependent]

You are so fucking stupid I'm amazed you can breath without instructions.
Do you even know how many categories there are that allow foreigners to come to America?

Whats idiotically stupid are those that still believe Russia had nothing to do with the hacks.

What's idiotically stupid is putting out an EO that is so broad and poorly worded it's leaving valid VISA holders - green card holders with permanent residence - stranded outside the US indefinitely.

What's not idiotically stupid, but highly questionable is why the countries, from which we HAVE had terrorists come out of AND which Trump has big business interests - remain OFF the list.

ad hominem...we are discussing Trump's EO (actually Obama's).
As usual, you rely on your FEELINGS.
You have ZERO idea of what you are discussing in terms of foreigners being granted access to the US.

Are you denying that this is occurring or are you just going to run around calling people stupid and then whining about "ad hominem"?

What's idiotically stupid is putting out an EO that is so broad and poorly worded it's leaving valid VISA holders - green card holders with permanent residence - stranded outside the US indefinitely.

People who have been residing in the US for years, who left to visit other countries can not now re-enter the US. Is this a good thing in your mind?

Refugees - who have spent as much as 6 years going through the vetting process, been given the green light, cut their ties, quit their jobs if they had them, suddenly stopped from boarding plans out of the hellhole they're trying to escape. You think this is good - but then, you probably also believe they are "completely unvetted" according to the rightwing's "alternative fact" claims.

It's no different then those who refused admission to the Jews fleeing Nazi Germany.

The US refugee vetting system is the most stringent of any country.

There is a fundamental difference, Jews aren't prone to blowing themselves up in terrorist attacks, or chopping heads off, or mowing people down in the streets with trucks or going on gang-raping nights on the town etc.

This is going to come as a big shock to the guy who wrote Meyer Lansky's biography....

Yep, there were a PLETHORA of Jew criminals.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Just a Steve McGarrett friendly reminder!

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Whats idiotically stupid are those that still believe Russia had nothing to do with the hacks.

What's idiotically stupid is putting out an EO that is so broad and poorly worded it's leaving valid VISA holders - green card holders with permanent residence - stranded outside the US indefinitely.

What's not idiotically stupid, but highly questionable is why the countries, from which we HAVE had terrorists come out of AND which Trump has big business interests - remain OFF the list.

ad hominem...we are discussing Trump's EO (actually Obama's).
As usual, you rely on your FEELINGS.
You have ZERO idea of what you are discussing in terms of foreigners being granted access to the US.

Are you denying that this is occurring or are you just going to run around calling people stupid and then whining about "ad hominem"?

What's idiotically stupid is putting out an EO that is so broad and poorly worded it's leaving valid VISA holders - green card holders with permanent residence - stranded outside the US indefinitely.

People who have been residing in the US for years, who left to visit other countries can not now re-enter the US. Is this a good thing in your mind?

Refugees - who have spent as much as 6 years going through the vetting process, been given the green light, cut their ties, quit their jobs if they had them, suddenly stopped from boarding plans out of the hellhole they're trying to escape. You think this is good - but then, you probably also believe they are "completely unvetted" according to the rightwing's "alternative fact" claims.

It's no different then those who refused admission to the Jews fleeing Nazi Germany.

The US refugee vetting system is the most stringent of any country.

There is a fundamental difference, Jews aren't prone to blowing themselves up in terrorist attacks, or chopping heads off, or mowing people down in the streets with trucks or going on gang-raping nights on the town etc.

This is going to come as a big shock to the guy who wrote Meyer Lansky's biography....

Yep, there were a PLETHORA of Jew criminals.

I'm pro-Mafia I love "The Godfather Part II"

 

[Indeependent]

ad hominem...we are discussing Trump's EO (actually Obama's).
As usual, you rely on your FEELINGS.
You have ZERO idea of what you are discussing in terms of foreigners being granted access to the US.

Are you denying that this is occurring or are you just going to run around calling people stupid and then whining about "ad hominem"?

What's idiotically stupid is putting out an EO that is so broad and poorly worded it's leaving valid VISA holders - green card holders with permanent residence - stranded outside the US indefinitely.

People who have been residing in the US for years, who left to visit other countries can not now re-enter the US. Is this a good thing in your mind?

Refugees - who have spent as much as 6 years going through the vetting process, been given the green light, cut their ties, quit their jobs if they had them, suddenly stopped from boarding plans out of the hellhole they're trying to escape. You think this is good - but then, you probably also believe they are "completely unvetted" according to the rightwing's "alternative fact" claims.

It's no different then those who refused admission to the Jews fleeing Nazi Germany.

The US refugee vetting system is the most stringent of any country.

There is a fundamental difference, Jews aren't prone to blowing themselves up in terrorist attacks, or chopping heads off, or mowing people down in the streets with trucks or going on gang-raping nights on the town etc.

This is going to come as a big shock to the guy who wrote Meyer Lansky's biography....

Yep, there were a PLETHORA of Jew criminals.

I'm pro-Mafia I love "The Godfather Part II"

It drove me crazy...It took 2 hours to start.

 

[Lakhota]

Just a Steve McGarrett friendly reminder!

Get your source correct. The source was Donald Trump Jr. What a heartless asshole!

The strange history and ugly core of Donald Trump Jr.'s Skittles tweet, explained

Donald Trump Jr. Compares Syrian Refugees to Skittles That ‘Would Kill You’

 

[mamooth]

Who do you believe is a nazi that posts here, commie?

Fascinating, seeing you so proudly announcing that you're literally too 'effin stupid and lazy to read back a page in the thread, where that answer is very clearly laid out. Post #694 in this thread.

(No wonder you like Trump. That type of moral decrepitude requires a special combination of stupidity and laziness, and you all have it.)

Since you joined in, you get to play too. Lucy and Jon too, since they thought your post was so brilliant. Here's one of our little Nazi pals and his full blown Nazi rant. I'll snip just a piece..

Is Planned Parenthood affiliate fueling anti-Trump protests
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You Jews are troublemakers and get rich off of starting wars and stealing entire countries. The international Zionist bankers along with George Soros, and senator Schumer are communist traitors worst than Lenin and Trotsky.

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(Note how that Nazi hates Soros, just like all the other Nazis do. Soros-hatred is a sure sign you're looking at a Nazi sympathizer, at least, if not an outright Nazi.)

So, do you condemn this staunch Trump-supporter and Nazi? That's just the start. After that, we can move on to all the open Nazis in the race relations folder, all of them staunch Trump supporters, and then all the open Nazis in the political scene who love Trump.

 

[Political Junky]

It is simple....

It sure is.

I asked you to merely condemn one of the open Nazis here, a fellow Trump fanatic.

You wouldn't. You deflected. Even a little token criticism of a fellow Trump-Nazi here was more than you would dare, being how your cult absolutely forbids it.

You suck the asses of Nazis, because your cult commands you to.

Oh STFU about Nazi's you complete fucking lunatic.

It's all your type has, being almost devoid of any intelligence you crap out the Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi horsecrap all the time.

Piss off you nutjob.

You should read about Nazism. ... not from an Alt-Right site.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Falsely? Only you idiotic Trumpers consider it false. The entire US intelligence communitee disagrees with you nuts.

You are so fucking stupid I'm amazed you can breath without instructions.
Do you even know how many categories there are that allow foreigners to come to America?

Whats idiotically stupid are those that still believe Russia had nothing to do with the hacks.

What's idiotically stupid is putting out an EO that is so broad and poorly worded it's leaving valid VISA holders - green card holders with permanent residence - stranded outside the US indefinitely.

What's not idiotically stupid, but highly questionable is why the countries, from which we HAVE had terrorists come out of AND which Trump has big business interests - remain OFF the list.

ad hominem...we are discussing Trump's EO (actually Obama's).
As usual, you rely on your FEELINGS.
You have ZERO idea of what you are discussing in terms of foreigners being granted access to the US.

Are you denying that this is occurring or are you just going to run around calling people stupid and then whining about "ad hominem"?

What's idiotically stupid is putting out an EO that is so broad and poorly worded it's leaving valid VISA holders - green card holders with permanent residence - stranded outside the US indefinitely.

People who have been residing in the US for years, who left to visit other countries can not now re-enter the US. Is this a good thing in your mind?

Refugees - who have spent as much as 6 years going through the vetting process, been given the green light, cut their ties, quit their jobs if they had them, suddenly stopped from boarding plans out of the hellhole they're trying to escape. You think this is good - but then, you probably also believe they are "completely unvetted" according to the rightwing's "alternative fact" claims.

It's no different then those who refused admission to the Jews fleeing Nazi Germany.

The US refugee vetting system is the most stringent of any country.

"The US refugee vetting system is the most stringent of any country"

If that is the case, how come UPS and Kalitta airlines was flying in refugees covertly and under the cover of night and wanted pilots to sign NDAs????? Even the FBI said there was no way to do the proper vetting of these refugees in the time frame asked of them. They are being used as a trojan horse and you are too fucking stupid to see it.

President Trump has just slapped John "Psychopath Neo-Conservative Warmonger" McCain and that sexually frustrated faggot Miss Lindsey Graham for their retarded joint statement of pro-flooding America with Who The Fuck Knows Who These People Are.

Yes McCain and Miss Lindsey are always trying to start WWIII.

Donald J. Trump on Twitter

Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) | Twitter

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

It is simple....

It sure is.

I asked you to merely condemn one of the open Nazis here, a fellow Trump fanatic.

You wouldn't. You deflected. Even a little token criticism of a fellow Trump-Nazi here was more than you would dare, being how your cult absolutely forbids it.

You suck the asses of Nazis, because your cult commands you to.

Oh STFU about Nazi's you complete fucking lunatic.

It's all your type has, being almost devoid of any intelligence you crap out the Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi horsecrap all the time.

Piss off you nutjob.

You should read about Nazism. ... not from an Alt-Right site.

As you consistently display such minimal intelligence, this based on 99.9% of everything you post, then it's difficult to think you know a great deal about anything sugar pants.

 

[Coyote]

King Philip's War was many years after my ancestors landed in 1620, finding safe haven from the religious persecution they had suffered in England - just as I asserted in my post.

I'm not really sure what you're driving at, other than clutching at straws to undermine my point? I assure you, you don't know more about the early history of the Massachusetts Bay Colony than I do.

History is a vast subject and no one can truly know it all. That why historians major in parts of history. Mine is Military History with a focus on Indian warfare. Indeed the Massachusetts Bay Colony fought the natives very early in their history but particularly after they recoverd from the illnesses the colonists brought with them during the first colony which prevented them from wageing as early and effective attacks as they could have, although, they did try from time to time. Nevertheless, they fought early, they fought often, and they are your kin.

I never asserted they didn't; I'm very well aware of the actions Governor Bradford - I call him Grandpa Bill - engaged in toward the native population once they ceased to be useful and became an obstacle to expansion of the colony.

I merely asserted that my ancestors found safe haven here as refugees fleeing religious persecution - of that there is no doubt. They promptly set about persecuting others for religious reasons once happily settled here, there is no denying that truth, either.

My larger point remains that we began as a country of refugees/immigrants, and it's nothing but ignorant xenophobia that compels a bunch of descendants of immigrants to support denying safe haven to refugees fleeing war-torn countries just because of the color of their skin or the religion that they practice.

Of note is the fact that none of the terrorist acts perpetrated in this country were perpetrated by people from the countries your Drumpfuhrer is attempting to ban. It's nonsensical in that regard; that he issues such a ban on Holocaust Remembrance Day when we have cause to consider the Jews we turned away who were later murdered by the Nazis is just indescribably disgusting.

Once again, an uneasy peace at best and attempted genocide at worst. Drop the ideology and look at the facts. They may have been in search of a safe haven but it was not granted to them; they had to carve it out for themselves via blood. This isn't ideology, this is factual history. Realism trumps ideology every time.

When I received my bachelors I was thinking of pursuing something along the realm of constitutional history and wrote a number of papers on constitutional disagreements and contraversies that never seemed to stay within the 25 page limit. In all of my studies I noticed a favoritism toward western immigration, and a very narrow favoritism at that. At first I came to the same concludsion. I thought it to be a racist policy. I quickly found out that they truly favored peoples that assimilated easily into their form of government in keeping with their ideas of liberty in which the law you once practiced was founded.

Throughout history peoples who made their own law founded in their own values have alway been weary of outsiders coming in and imposing opposite values not congruent with the foundations of liberty. This is why the right of return to Israel is denied. If the right of return was granted then Israel would cease to be a democracy.

Immigration policy should favor the citizens of a country in keeping with their safety, values, and laws. Peoples who do not beleive in individual liberty, have a high propensity toward violence, treat their women like garbage, and rape little children, are not in keeping with our ideas of liberty. I've been to these countries, I know these people, and I know how they act. It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with culture. Cultures have values, values are an indicator of politics, and politics dictate laws and policy. The Somali refugees in Minnesota are a perfect example of what happens when you import a group of people not congruent with the American experiment. That's not ideology, that's fact. Realism trumps ideology everytime.

You're clearly a xenophobe who is strong on ugly opinions without facts to support them.

Do you have any idea how many Muslims are in the United States? How many of them are 1st or 2nd generation Americans?

Honestly the kind of ugly opinions you hold and spew are the exact reason I don't visit here often. It makes me sick to realize how many people like you exist in this otherwise beautiful country.

There are quite a few first and second generation muslims joining the Islamic state at the moment. However let's nail this thing down shall we?

Suppose there is a culture that values gang rape, eating their own feces, and murdering a random member of society every Tuesday. Now let's suppose they get invaded and oppressed. Question: Would you let them in as refugees?

Now the question is rediculous because no such people exist. I get that. But would you let them in to your country?

The complaints made about immigrants today regarding culture are in the same vein as the ones made about other waves of immigrants - the Irish, the Italians, the East European Jews, the Chinese...yet, they've flourished and adopted our culture and values while retaining portions of their heritage. We see it in Muslim communities here - Syrian, Lebanese, Iranian, Palestinian.

 

[Indeependent]

History is a vast subject and no one can truly know it all. That why historians major in parts of history. Mine is Military History with a focus on Indian warfare. Indeed the Massachusetts Bay Colony fought the natives very early in their history but particularly after they recoverd from the illnesses the colonists brought with them during the first colony which prevented them from wageing as early and effective attacks as they could have, although, they did try from time to time. Nevertheless, they fought early, they fought often, and they are your kin.

I never asserted they didn't; I'm very well aware of the actions Governor Bradford - I call him Grandpa Bill - engaged in toward the native population once they ceased to be useful and became an obstacle to expansion of the colony.

I merely asserted that my ancestors found safe haven here as refugees fleeing religious persecution - of that there is no doubt. They promptly set about persecuting others for religious reasons once happily settled here, there is no denying that truth, either.

My larger point remains that we began as a country of refugees/immigrants, and it's nothing but ignorant xenophobia that compels a bunch of descendants of immigrants to support denying safe haven to refugees fleeing war-torn countries just because of the color of their skin or the religion that they practice.

Of note is the fact that none of the terrorist acts perpetrated in this country were perpetrated by people from the countries your Drumpfuhrer is attempting to ban. It's nonsensical in that regard; that he issues such a ban on Holocaust Remembrance Day when we have cause to consider the Jews we turned away who were later murdered by the Nazis is just indescribably disgusting.

Once again, an uneasy peace at best and attempted genocide at worst. Drop the ideology and look at the facts. They may have been in search of a safe haven but it was not granted to them; they had to carve it out for themselves via blood. This isn't ideology, this is factual history. Realism trumps ideology every time.

When I received my bachelors I was thinking of pursuing something along the realm of constitutional history and wrote a number of papers on constitutional disagreements and contraversies that never seemed to stay within the 25 page limit. In all of my studies I noticed a favoritism toward western immigration, and a very narrow favoritism at that. At first I came to the same concludsion. I thought it to be a racist policy. I quickly found out that they truly favored peoples that assimilated easily into their form of government in keeping with their ideas of liberty in which the law you once practiced was founded.

Throughout history peoples who made their own law founded in their own values have alway been weary of outsiders coming in and imposing opposite values not congruent with the foundations of liberty. This is why the right of return to Israel is denied. If the right of return was granted then Israel would cease to be a democracy.

Immigration policy should favor the citizens of a country in keeping with their safety, values, and laws. Peoples who do not beleive in individual liberty, have a high propensity toward violence, treat their women like garbage, and rape little children, are not in keeping with our ideas of liberty. I've been to these countries, I know these people, and I know how they act. It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with culture. Cultures have values, values are an indicator of politics, and politics dictate laws and policy. The Somali refugees in Minnesota are a perfect example of what happens when you import a group of people not congruent with the American experiment. That's not ideology, that's fact. Realism trumps ideology everytime.

You're clearly a xenophobe who is strong on ugly opinions without facts to support them.

Do you have any idea how many Muslims are in the United States? How many of them are 1st or 2nd generation Americans?

Honestly the kind of ugly opinions you hold and spew are the exact reason I don't visit here often. It makes me sick to realize how many people like you exist in this otherwise beautiful country.

There are quite a few first and second generation muslims joining the Islamic state at the moment. However let's nail this thing down shall we?

Suppose there is a culture that values gang rape, eating their own feces, and murdering a random member of society every Tuesday. Now let's suppose they get invaded and oppressed. Question: Would you let them in as refugees?

Now the question is rediculous because no such people exist. I get that. But would you let them in to your country?

The complaints made about immigrants today regarding culture are in the same vein as the ones made about other waves of immigrants - the Irish, the Italians, the East European Jews, the Chinese...yet, they've flourished and adopted our culture and values while retaining portions of their heritage. We see it in Muslim communities here - Syrian, Lebanese, Iranian, Palestinian.

Except regarding Muslims, it's true.