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Look, let's be real. It's all about the greed. So let's not kid ourselves. Most business owners are bitchin because they enjoy getting richer off paying their lowly workers as little as possible. It is what it is on that. But now they'll have to pay up a bit. Oh well, looks like it's 3 Vacations instead of 4 this year. Unless you're willing to do the work yourself, you need workers. And you have to pay em a decent wage. Sorry, too bad. Deal with it or go out of business.
The greed comes from the shitheads that elect Liberals politicians that steal money on their behalf to give them what they can't earn on their own.That is big time greed.
If somebody doesn't pay you enough money to make it worth your while to work for them stop your bitching and go find a job a elsewhere.
It's America. Everyone's in it for themselves. I can't blame Workers for tryin to get that cash. That's exactly what America is all about. So, if you don't wanna pay workers a decent wage, just do the work yourself. Otherwise, you gotta pay up. Gotta deal with that.
You're an idiot if you think you share the same philosophy as Ron Paul.Gotta run, but i think i speak for most American Workers when i say... You don't wanna pay a fellow American a decent wage, than FUCK OFF and close your Business. American Workers are sick of you greedy bastids. Just pay up, or STFU!!
See ya, have a nice day.
There's a reason they are called unskilled. And the unskilled part is what makes them not worth 15 bucks an hour.It's very simple for business owners. If you don't wanna pay workers a decent wage, just do the work yourself or hire family members who will work for lower wages to help a loved one out. Otherwise, you need the workers. So pay up, or go belly-up.
It is even more simple for workers. Get off your fat ass and get some skills and work harder if you want more money.
The government making business pay artificially high wages is tyranny.
You need those unskilled workers. So it's time to pay up. Supply and Demand.
this "breaking news" bs story was posted Saturday. Its Tuesday. The story never broke the news.
imagine that.
I suspected it was Bullshite. If you're closing your business because you have to pay your workers a decent wage, it just isn't meant to be. You shouldn't be in business. You're clearly not putting out a good enough product.
once you've got all the business' that can use unskilled labor shut down or just the owners doing the work WTF do you do with all those unskilled and now unemployed people? Let me guess. Raise taxes for welfare benefits right?Business owners have the option of doing the work themselves. If they don't wanna pay, they should do the work themselves. it's as simple as that.
They're worth it because you say so, Leftist?There's a reason they are called unskilled. And the unskilled part is what makes them not worth 15 bucks an hour.It's very simple for business owners. If you don't wanna pay workers a decent wage, just do the work yourself or hire family members who will work for lower wages to help a loved one out. Otherwise, you need the workers. So pay up, or go belly-up.
It is even more simple for workers. Get off your fat ass and get some skills and work harder if you want more money.
The government making business pay artificially high wages is tyranny.
You need those unskilled workers. So it's time to pay up. Supply and Demand.
Well, they're worth it now. So pay up, or close shop. Simple as that.
Your clown act doesn't float. No, I do not own a business now. I'm happily retired, living well, and enjoying life. My past personal life is none of your business. But, I did get out of both businesses on my own terms, and for a different reason each time. One business I ended due to the economy during the mid 80's when oil went to $9.00 a barrel. Louisianan, Texas, and Oklahoma had economies based on the oil industry at the time. I was living in Louisiana and saw the hand-writing on the wall, and decided to get out of business before the bottom hit. The other business was in the late 80's and early 90's in Georgia. I ended that business to do other things. I enjoyed both experiences, but knew when to get out and do something different.I think his employees couldn't take the constant whining any more.What case have I not supported? What have I not explained in plain English concerning my opinion on the matter? Go ahead, tell me, if you can. What would you like to know about owning a business? I have owned two of them and would be glad to share my experience and knowledge on the subject. Go ahead, ask me anything that you might be curious about.Oh, I see. so instead of paying an employee $20.00 an hour to do a task ( job ), a business will pay double that just out of the goodness of its heart? Or, a business will pay a janitor $40.00 an hour just to feel good about itself? What's a lie? Where did I lie? A business is not going to pay an employee any more than they have to pay. What business do you know of that pays employees way more than the going rate? Name a business that pays way outside the going rate for any particular job? I have owned two businesses, and yet, you say that I know nothing about running a business? That shows just how little you know.
Also, your childish and silly name calling and personal attack is school yard stuff, and has no place on forums where adults are attempting to have civil conversations. Your age? If you think that immature "cyber mouth" comment makes you appear to be intelligent and "all-knowing", think again. FYI - Business is NOT out of my grasp. If there's anything that you'd like to know or learn about "business", just ask. I'll be glad to help you in any way that I can. I do not mind sharing knowledge or my many years of experience.
Again, what lie did I tell, or what lie are you referring to? Care to tell me the lie that you think I told? And, please grow up and at least appear to be adult in these conversations. Childish remarks and comments add absolutely nothing to these conversations.
As a JOFO who has contributed to this thread ........................
Give it a breqak Sonny, you have had plenty of room to make yourself look intelligent ........................
[BUZZER GOES OFF]
As some one casually reading this, if you have ever owned any business's as yoiu claim your rghetoric does not reflect it.
Let me DUCMB THAT DOWN FOR YOU
You can't even talk the talk, much less put anything of true intellectual value to support your case.
Now you can call this name calling or what the fuck ever yoiur little pampered princess whine's vocabulary has for my type of activity.
So when we talk about growing up, .......................
Holla
What have I said that does not reflect me being a past business owner? Go ahead, tell me what it I have said that does not reflect me being a past business owner.
Yes, you're remarks are childish and silly. There's nothing else to call them except what they are. You want to attack me without knowing anything about me, nor what I have or have not done in my life. Do you think it makes you look intelligent and big? Do you think that immature talk impresses a lot of people? Grow up and at least appear to be adult in these conversations. Don't continue to make yourself look like an angry kid on the school playground.
I new I would get that pampered pillow princess whine back .................
Say pal what happened to these businesses??
I was just thinking that he had come in as an ex spurt on how others should run business, while claiming he had owned 2.
I didn't here him bragging that he was still making people rich, so the business either were sold or failed..............................
If as he claims he was so business savvy I figure, he was gonna brag that he paid his workers that.
Funny he don't own those business any more .........................
Say pal when they failed did you loose your house also??
No, they aren't worth that now. Just because some assholes made a law doesn't make the labor worth that amount. The job that needs done is still only worth what a person is willing to pay to get it done. Otherwise like you wish they just do it themselves or not do it at all.There's a reason they are called unskilled. And the unskilled part is what makes them not worth 15 bucks an hour.It's very simple for business owners. If you don't wanna pay workers a decent wage, just do the work yourself or hire family members who will work for lower wages to help a loved one out. Otherwise, you need the workers. So pay up, or go belly-up.
It is even more simple for workers. Get off your fat ass and get some skills and work harder if you want more money.
The government making business pay artificially high wages is tyranny.
You need those unskilled workers. So it's time to pay up. Supply and Demand.
Well, they're worth it now. So pay up, or close shop. Simple as that.
this "breaking news" bs story was posted Saturday. Its Tuesday. The story never broke the news.
imagine that.
I suspected it was Bullshite. If you're closing your business because you have to pay your workers a decent wage, it just isn't meant to be. You shouldn't be in business. You're clearly not putting out a good enough product.
You make an assumption that everyone in the workforce has the ability to promote themselves through education and training. In the real world that just isn't true. Unfortunately their are people with very low IQ's that will never be able to understand even basics needed to obtain better jobs. Fortunately for some, despite low intelligence, they may have eye and hand coordination skills that make it possible to learn skills that require those assets, but perhaps not the intelligence factor. People are also constrained by their location and the opportunities in that location.And if the going rate for stuffing shit in a plastic bag is MW then that's what they payVery well stated. Thanks. Employers pay what they have to pay, and in most cases, not a penny more. With rare exception, they pay the going rate for location and type of work performed ( job title ).Hey look, if you can't or won't pay someone a decent wage, you don't belong in business. Employees are not volunteers. They have bills to pay and children to take care of too. They're not there to do volunteer work so you can become wealthier. They're in it for the same reason you are. It's the $$$. So if you don't wanna pay em, it's time to close up shop.
Everyone in America is in it for themselves. No one's gonna work for shite wages just so you can become wealthy and successful. That's just not gonna happen. The only suggestion would be, to hire family members and hope they do the work for lower wages. Kinda like volunteers helpin a loved one out. Otherwise, you gotta pay. It is what it is.
If you want to be paid more than MW then learn how to do something that demands a higher wage
It really is that simple
The idea that an employer should be allowed to pay whatever the employer wants to pay, without government interference, is a fair one, and one I can agree with, to a point. The point being when the employer accepts any kind of assistance or subsidy to operate their business.
Or we can just eliminate the unconstitutional federal minimum wage law, which has nothing to do with child labor laws, and let states decide whether to have them.As long as we're getting rid of the minimum wage, why not got all out and eliminate Child Labor Laws also?
KIds will work dirt cheap and be thankful for their daily bowl of gruel.
Oh, and we don't need to eliminate laws against murder in order to repeal the federal minimum wage either, in case you were about to ask.
Some on the left may believe Labor should try to do the heavy lifting when carrying any "moral" high ground (simply for the sake of the labor theory of Value.)Gotta run, but i think i speak for most American Workers when i say... You don't wanna pay a fellow American a decent wage, than FUCK OFF and close your Business. American Workers are sick of you greedy bastids. Just pay up, or STFU!!
See ya, have a nice day.
Why do you believe a Natural Rate of Unemployment is a social issue?when I was 16 years old, I would walk into a McDonalds and every cashier was one of my friends. I would go to a local restaurant, and the bus boys were my friends. I would walk into the local deli and the serve staff were my friends. I would go to the local department store and the floor staff were my friends.
Those jobs were never meant for those that needed to earn a living wage. Those establishments were able to overcome the high cost of real estate, insurance and overall CoGS, yet still be able to sell a burger for less than a dollar, or a bagel for 25 cents BECAUSE it did not require skilled labor to present the product to the consumer.
The issue is not about how much an establishment should pay its unskilled labor.
The issue is why those with families are taking jobs that dont warrant a salary equal to a "living wage".
It is a social issue. Not an economic issue.
Those are opinions based on judgement's. Lots of intelligence challenged people go to work everyday and hold jobs their entire lives. You just need to promote that idea about able bodied people gaming the system. Unfortunately, no matter how often that is brought up it is never able to really be proven to be the problem you want to claim it is. The old welfare fraud thing never seems to have the factual data to back up the allegation.You make an assumption that everyone in the workforce has the ability to promote themselves through education and training. In the real world that just isn't true. Unfortunately their are people with very low IQ's that will never be able to understand even basics needed to obtain better jobs. Fortunately for some, despite low intelligence, they may have eye and hand coordination skills that make it possible to learn skills that require those assets, but perhaps not the intelligence factor. People are also constrained by their location and the opportunities in that location.And if the going rate for stuffing shit in a plastic bag is MW then that's what they payVery well stated. Thanks. Employers pay what they have to pay, and in most cases, not a penny more. With rare exception, they pay the going rate for location and type of work performed ( job title ).Hey look, if you can't or won't pay someone a decent wage, you don't belong in business. Employees are not volunteers. They have bills to pay and children to take care of too. They're not there to do volunteer work so you can become wealthier. They're in it for the same reason you are. It's the $$$. So if you don't wanna pay em, it's time to close up shop.
Everyone in America is in it for themselves. No one's gonna work for shite wages just so you can become wealthy and successful. That's just not gonna happen. The only suggestion would be, to hire family members and hope they do the work for lower wages. Kinda like volunteers helpin a loved one out. Otherwise, you gotta pay. It is what it is.
If you want to be paid more than MW then learn how to do something that demands a higher wage
It really is that simple
The idea that an employer should be allowed to pay whatever the employer wants to pay, without government interference, is a fair one, and one I can agree with, to a point. The point being when the employer accepts any kind of assistance or subsidy to operate their business.
You can't make policy to fit the extremes.
And if those people with low IQ can't understand the basics they won't be living on their own now would they?
That's what the safety net is for not for able bodied people who refuse to work enough to pay their bills
And people can move you know. No one is chained to the spot.
And in most cases the employer is not getting a subsidy it is the people who want to keep a part time MW job then apply for benefits even though they are fully capable of working and paying their own bills
Nah, it's not anything like that. But anyway, stop abusing workers and things like this wouldn't even have to be discussed.
As long as we're getting rid of the minimum wage, why not got all out and eliminate Child Labor Laws also?
KIds will work dirt cheap and be thankful for their daily bowl of gruel.
I don't.Why do you believe a Natural Rate of Unemployment is a social issue?when I was 16 years old, I would walk into a McDonalds and every cashier was one of my friends. I would go to a local restaurant, and the bus boys were my friends. I would walk into the local deli and the serve staff were my friends. I would go to the local department store and the floor staff were my friends.
Those jobs were never meant for those that needed to earn a living wage. Those establishments were able to overcome the high cost of real estate, insurance and overall CoGS, yet still be able to sell a burger for less than a dollar, or a bagel for 25 cents BECAUSE it did not require skilled labor to present the product to the consumer.
The issue is not about how much an establishment should pay its unskilled labor.
The issue is why those with families are taking jobs that dont warrant a salary equal to a "living wage".
It is a social issue. Not an economic issue.
He doesn't have a legit answer to that question, for if he did, he would not feel the need to bring in a completely unrelated and absurd scenario into the debate.As long as we're getting rid of the minimum wage, why not got all out and eliminate Child Labor Laws also?
KIds will work dirt cheap and be thankful for their daily bowl of gruel.
Why not keep the governemnt out of the business of forcing employers to pay employees a certain rate?
What business is it of the government what I pay my employees?
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He doesn't have a legit answer to that question, for if he did, he would not feel the need to bring in a completely unrelated and absurd scenario into the debate.
