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Ah, gives me a headache. Celebrating American Workers making less than counterparts made 30-40 years ago? WTF?? Seriously, sometimes i get very ashamed of my Republican friends.
Don't get too comfortable with the idea that any of us are your friends, Chuckles. Most of us have standards. And I feel safe in saying none of us really gives a rat's ass for your approval or disapproval.
I didn't say you were my friend. You're not. And i don't give a rat's ass that you don't give a rat's ass. Capisce.
Clearly you DO, since you're wasting time and space babbling about your "shame" in regards to other people. You're doing that because you're hoping to make people feel bad. And I'm clarifying for you that you don't command enough respect from anyone to make that maneuver work.
Glad I could clear that up for you. You seem to have a recurring problem with thinking you're doing and being one thing while the opposite is obviously true.
Or insist such a dead end game cease for all.I did address it. You're just fine with Big Government interference in business if it benefits you. Otherwise, you're all "Government should stay out of it!!" Such high & mighty hypocrisy. Shame on ya.
Actually, I'm neutral on the subject of my city and county actively trying to convince businesses to move here. They can or not, as they choose. But yes, I think IF they are going to do so, it's completely appropriate for the businesses to negotiate for tax incentives in exchange for what the city/county wants. I also think business owners have the same right to petition government as every other citizen does. There's no equivalency between that and government high-handedly dealing itself into business decisions.
You don't get to have it both ways. You beg for handouts, you have to accept Government being involved. Period, end of story.
Good luck with that. Businesses will always try to game the Government. They only pretend to hate Big Government when it comes to paying Workers. Pretty convenient hypocrisy, no?
Not that I would expect you to have the gray matter to comprehend this, but there's a big difference between loving Big Government and merely working with the system as it is because there's no other choice.
I will never have to work at WalmartIn america today no one lasts 20 years at a company. And if you build cars or forged steal for 19 years and all those jobs left your town you might end up working at walmart.Wrong. there is a number. Numerous studies have been conducted on the subject. I go with something like $11 - $15 an hr. as a possible survivable wage. How bout you?
How about me?
If I couldn't survive on one job I worked 2 or 3
When I was young I shared an apt with 4 other guys. I lived on 5 for a dollar Ramen soups for months on end
IOW I did what I had to do to pay my bills I find that in general putting your head down and hustling gets far better results than whining.
So $5 an hr. is a decent livable wage to you? Ok. At least you answered the question. Gotta give you some props for that i guess.
It doesn't matter what your starting wage is.
A career is a ladder not a bed. The times I worked for MW in the past I was never more than 6 months away from a pay raise or a promotion because I didn't think being a bag boy or a stock clerk was a job that would support me
I'm sorry but if you're still making MW after 20 years on a job then it's your own fault not your employer's
We just got to make sure our government looks out for the middle class so we dont all become the working poor.
Heres all we're saying. Between 1950 and 2000 we had high paying manufacturing union labor middle class jobs. We allowed all those jobs to go to China mexico and everywhere else. I know that benefitted the rich and the rest of the world but it didn't help america.And I've told you that it's up to you to earn what you need to pay your bills. If your no skill job isn't paying you enough then you can get a second job or learn a skill that will warrant higher payDefine fairWhat do you do? I'm OK with people making minimum as long as its a fair wage. Can't trust owners so the gov decides that number.
I've asked you guys for a long time to put a number on what you think is a decent livable wage for average American Workers in today's America. You guys always duck & run. What do you think an average American can survive on today? Take a shot, throw a number out there.
Our gov has a responsibility to look out for the masses. If not capitalism will have us grateful for $5 a day.
It is then same type of question liberals will never answer like:Still no explanation what livable wage is. Anyone?
When discussing then school system:
How much money do The schools need?
The poor have smart cell phones, 50 inch T.V.s , a/c but for some reason god only knows they can not get any ID to vote.
They think in there strange minds they can force the higher labor cost On to the stockholders or CEOs
How about no less than 60x less than the CEO takes home. Or whatever is a living wage. Its all just funny money anyways.I don't think they're doing it to good customers. Now if you're an asshole to them, then you should worry.
Trust me, you really do want happy & prosperous workers waiting on you in restaurants especially. But happy & prosperous workers make for better workers overall. They're proud of their work and happy to serve.
You never told us how much is a fair wage. Lets say that everyone is doing exactly the same job, how much should they be paid? Is it the same in NYC as in Fargo ND? Is it the same for a single guy living with his parents as for a married guy with 4 kids? Is it the same for a teenager working for pocket money as for a single mom?
And finally, who decides what is a fair wage? Who is this omnipitant wage setter?
How about just forgetting about the CEO .................
What he makes is irrelevant to what nay worker makes ...................
Just the skill set alone sets most CEO's apart from the regular laborer, the fact they have a BRAIN and actually understand how business works and how greedy, skill less workers think they are any way equal or have any right to base their pay expectations with them(CEO) in mind.
Workers aren't asking for riches. They're just asking to be paid a decent livable wage. And i don't think that's too much to ask in the richest nation on earth.
We all know you righties never admitted you caused the great global recession of 2007.Bullshit you assholes love to blame anyone but bush for the global recession.Dont go by how you did. Bill gates made a billion does that mean the economy is good? And by the way michigan is right to work too but it is the union big 3 that's leading the comeback. F150s baby!For one anyone who works for a company for 19 years doing the same job and not into management at that company, the only finger he can point at is him self if that company closes up.
For two you are right "we allowed those Companies to leave by us shopping at big box stores were they pay crap wages and sell shitty products, "we allowed them to leave" by us consumers not buying from local mom and pop stores that payed good wages and sold good products, yea you are right it is our fault.
For three we still have a shit load of manufacturing jobs left that pay good wages, I got my taxes done yesterday and surprise to me I made over 70 grand last year, with OT. And I live in a right to work state South Carolina,
Michigan would never have been in the dumper if not for the UAW. Don't fool yourself about why Detroit went from a great modern city to a shithole.
Wow, now bush destroyed Detroit and the auto industry? Did you OD on paxil last night?
How about no less than 60x less than the CEO takes home. Or whatever is a living wage. Its all just funny money anyways.Trust me, you really do want happy & prosperous workers waiting on you in restaurants especially. But happy & prosperous workers make for better workers overall. They're proud of their work and happy to serve.
You never told us how much is a fair wage. Lets say that everyone is doing exactly the same job, how much should they be paid? Is it the same in NYC as in Fargo ND? Is it the same for a single guy living with his parents as for a married guy with 4 kids? Is it the same for a teenager working for pocket money as for a single mom?
And finally, who decides what is a fair wage? Who is this omnipitant wage setter?
How about just forgetting about the CEO .................
What he makes is irrelevant to what nay worker makes ...................
Just the skill set alone sets most CEO's apart from the regular laborer, the fact they have a BRAIN and actually understand how business works and how greedy, skill less workers think they are any way equal or have any right to base their pay expectations with them(CEO) in mind.
Workers aren't asking for riches. They're just asking to be paid a decent livable wage. And i don't think that's too much to ask in the richest nation on earth.
Then tell us what that "liveable wage is" How much is liveable? Is it the same for every worker or does it vary depending on the person's age, location, family status, sex, education, etc?
Tell us what the minimum should be and why. You said $15/hour. Thats not much in NYC but quite a good pay rate in a small town in south dakota.
Who do you want to appoint to decide the liveable wage for every worker in the USA?
How about no less than 60x less than the CEO takes home. Or whatever is a living wage. Its all just funny money anyways.You never told us how much is a fair wage. Lets say that everyone is doing exactly the same job, how much should they be paid? Is it the same in NYC as in Fargo ND? Is it the same for a single guy living with his parents as for a married guy with 4 kids? Is it the same for a teenager working for pocket money as for a single mom?
And finally, who decides what is a fair wage? Who is this omnipitant wage setter?
How about just forgetting about the CEO .................
What he makes is irrelevant to what nay worker makes ...................
Just the skill set alone sets most CEO's apart from the regular laborer, the fact they have a BRAIN and actually understand how business works and how greedy, skill less workers think they are any way equal or have any right to base their pay expectations with them(CEO) in mind.
Workers aren't asking for riches. They're just asking to be paid a decent livable wage. And i don't think that's too much to ask in the richest nation on earth.
Then tell us what that "liveable wage is" How much is liveable? Is it the same for every worker or does it vary depending on the person's age, location, family status, sex, education, etc?
Tell us what the minimum should be and why. You said $15/hour. Thats not much in NYC but quite a good pay rate in a small town in south dakota.
Who do you want to appoint to decide the liveable wage for every worker in the USA?
I put some numbers out there. But I haven't seen you guys put any numbers out there yet. Oh wait my bad, one of you said $5 an hr. Personally, I think between $11 - $15 an hr is a decent livable starting point.
How about no less than 60x less than the CEO takes home. Or whatever is a living wage. Its all just funny money anyways.
How about just forgetting about the CEO .................
What he makes is irrelevant to what nay worker makes ...................
Just the skill set alone sets most CEO's apart from the regular laborer, the fact they have a BRAIN and actually understand how business works and how greedy, skill less workers think they are any way equal or have any right to base their pay expectations with them(CEO) in mind.
Workers aren't asking for riches. They're just asking to be paid a decent livable wage. And i don't think that's too much to ask in the richest nation on earth.
Then tell us what that "liveable wage is" How much is liveable? Is it the same for every worker or does it vary depending on the person's age, location, family status, sex, education, etc?
Tell us what the minimum should be and why. You said $15/hour. Thats not much in NYC but quite a good pay rate in a small town in south dakota.
Who do you want to appoint to decide the liveable wage for every worker in the USA?
I put some numbers out there. But I haven't seen you guys put any numbers out there yet. Oh wait my bad, one of you said $5 an hr. Personally, I think between $11 - $15 an hr is a decent livable starting point.
So, lets go with your $15/hour, Ok?
Now we have two guys doing the exact same job, OK so far?
Guy 1lives in manhattan and has a wife and two kids
Guy 2 lives in Guthrie Alabama and lives in his parents basement
Is your $15/hr a liveable wage for both of them? yes or no.
Still no explanation what livable wage is. Anyone?
You right wingers sure are confused about this number aren't ya?
A "livable wage" is earnings great enough that the worker does not qualify for direct government assistance ( SNAP, housing allowance, heat allowance etc) at any level.
The other number is "poverty wages". Those people earn so little they do qualify for all those government benefits,
Those people do not make a "livable wage".
Hope that helps you.
Still no explanation what livable wage is. Anyone?
You right wingers sure are confused about this number aren't ya?
A "livable wage" is earnings great enough that the worker does not qualify for direct government assistance ( SNAP, housing allowance, heat allowance etc) at any level.
The other number is "poverty wages". Those people earn so little they do qualify for all those government benefits,
Those people do not make a "livable wage".
Hope that helps you.
Why are you faggots always so ignorant and redneckish???
Fucking morons have never heard of Google??
When you enter proper search terms, you get intelligent results ...................
Define : Living Wage
Search Results
- DEFINITION of 'Living Wage' A theoretical wage level that allows the earner to afford adequate shelter, food and the other necessities of life. The living wage should be substantial enough to ensure that no more than 30% of it needs to be spent on housing.
- Living Wage Definition | Investopedia
Terms Beginning With L Investopedialiving_wage.asp
Make sure you note the fucking term "THEORETICAL" before you make any more moronic statements ........................
The poverty threshold, or poverty line, is the minimum level of income deemed adequate in a particular country.
No relevance to this conversation at all, just a fucking buzz word thrown out to elicit sympathy ........................
Grow the fuck up, join a real conversation with out all your faggot bull shit ....................................
Still no explanation what livable wage is. Anyone?
You right wingers sure are confused about this number aren't ya?
A "livable wage" is earnings great enough that the worker does not qualify for direct government assistance ( SNAP, housing allowance, heat allowance etc) at any level.
The other number is "poverty wages". Those people earn so little they do qualify for all those government benefits,
Those people do not make a "livable wage".
Hope that helps you.
We have a good way to determine what a minimum wage should be. We allow the federal government to determine a minimum wage. That gets passed on to the state government to make adjustments if the state wishes. Finally, we allow county, town and city governments to make further adjustment the was Seattle did.
Because we elect people to make certain kinds of decisions that are deemed to be of importance to the community and need common accepted agreements to prevent problems among the population. We pass laws about things that need resolution and agreement to prevent misunderstandings.We have a good way to determine what a minimum wage should be. We allow the federal government to determine a minimum wage. That gets passed on to the state government to make adjustments if the state wishes. Finally, we allow county, town and city governments to make further adjustment the was Seattle did.
Why stop there? What about boroughs and neighborhoods? Families? Individuals? Why not let each person decide for themselves what they're minimum acceptable wage will be?
Because we elect people to make certain kinds of decisions that are deemed to be of importance to the community and need common accepted agreements to prevent problems among the population. We pass laws about things that need resolution and agreement to prevent misunderstandings.We have a good way to determine what a minimum wage should be. We allow the federal government to determine a minimum wage. That gets passed on to the state government to make adjustments if the state wishes. Finally, we allow county, town and city governments to make further adjustment the was Seattle did.
Why stop there? What about boroughs and neighborhoods? Families? Individuals? Why not let each person decide for themselves what they're minimum acceptable wage will be?
I am viewing only the topic of the OP. It was the city of Seattle that passed the minimum wage law. SeaTac, a city bordering on Seattle had passed such a law previously and it seemed to have worked without any great difficulty. I have no problem with a city determining what they consider a fair minimum wage for their city.Because we elect people to make certain kinds of decisions that are deemed to be of importance to the community and need common accepted agreements to prevent problems among the population. We pass laws about things that need resolution and agreement to prevent misunderstandings.We have a good way to determine what a minimum wage should be. We allow the federal government to determine a minimum wage. That gets passed on to the state government to make adjustments if the state wishes. Finally, we allow county, town and city governments to make further adjustment the was Seattle did.
Why stop there? What about boroughs and neighborhoods? Families? Individuals? Why not let each person decide for themselves what they're minimum acceptable wage will be?
That's really the question, isn't it? DID we, in fact, elect people to make decisions regarding what jobs we can work, and for how much? That certainly wasn't my understanding.
I am viewing only the topic of the OP. It was the city of Seattle that passed the minimum wage law. SeaTac, a city bordering on Seattle had passed such a law previously and it seemed to have worked without any great difficulty. I have no problem with a city determining what they consider a fair minimum wage for their city.Because we elect people to make certain kinds of decisions that are deemed to be of importance to the community and need common accepted agreements to prevent problems among the population. We pass laws about things that need resolution and agreement to prevent misunderstandings.We have a good way to determine what a minimum wage should be. We allow the federal government to determine a minimum wage. That gets passed on to the state government to make adjustments if the state wishes. Finally, we allow county, town and city governments to make further adjustment the was Seattle did.
Why stop there? What about boroughs and neighborhoods? Families? Individuals? Why not let each person decide for themselves what they're minimum acceptable wage will be?
That's really the question, isn't it? DID we, in fact, elect people to make decisions regarding what jobs we can work, and for how much? That certainly wasn't my understanding.
Can you clarify any of these?
