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[Sallow]

The USA does not elected President by popular vote. =Fail Civics 101

True story.

Oh and Bush won ever recount in FL

True Story #2

That's to bad. And puts to bed the notion that conservatives have more support then liberals.

Because you guys support that shit.

Pick up the Constitution once in a while or Google "Electoral College"

Yes..and 3/5 of a person was in the constitution at one time. Electoral College is there to protect the "Landed Gentry".

It's an old notion that you conservatives hold near and dear to your hearts. Some people are just "worth" more then others.

 

[Sallow]

Thank you for admitting your ignorance.

No sir..thank you for admitting yours..

The man who is possessed of wealth, who lolls on his sofa or rolls in his carriage, cannot judge the wants or feelings of the day-laborer. The government we mean to erect is intended to last for ages. The landed interest, at present, is prevalent; but in process of time, when we approximate to the states and kingdoms of Europe, — when the number of landholders shall be comparatively small, through the various means of trade and manufactures, will not the landed interest be overbalanced in future elections, and unless wisely provided against, what will become of your government? In England, at this day, if elections were open to all classes of people, the property of landed proprietors would be insecure. An agrarian law would soon take place. If these observations be just, our government ought to secure the permanent interests of the country against innovation. Landholders ought to have a share in the government, to support these invaluable interests, and to balance and check the other. They ought to be so constituted as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority. The senate, therefore, ought to be this body; and to answer these purposes, they ought to have permanency and stability. Statement (1787-06-26) as quoted in Notes of the Secret Debates of the Federal Convention of 1787 by Robert Yates.
James Madison - Wikiquote

 

[PoliticalChic]

By all accounts, Elians dad was a loving father. It was American conservatives who attempted to keep his son from him because of political ideology

A sad day for the American right wing

By all accounts, Elain's mother died getting him to American where he could be free of that Communist Cocksucker Fidel who liked to jerk his cock off while watching his political opponents get tortured. Like many American Leftists, Elain's father was a braindead Marxist tool.

By all accounts, Elians mother ran off with someone else and stole her son from the father. Conservative Americas attempt to prevent a young child from reuniting with his father was despicable

Child protective agencies regularly take children from a parent when the situation would endanger the wellbeing of the child.



1. The Castro government colluded with the Clinton-Janet Reno administration in allowing Elian’s grandmothers to come to the United States- stewarded by NCC ‘guards.’ But they made a mistake in having them meet with Elian at the home of Reno-friend Sister Jeanne O’Laughlin, who recognized what was going on, and promptly announced her change of heart to the press: “During the meeting, Sister O'Laughlin said in a sworn affidavit submitted to federal district court, she became convinced that the grandmothers "were not free to respond or act as they would towards their family, and that the situation was controlled by the Cuban officials." Until then, Sister O'Laughlin has said, she believed the boy should be with his father. Now she sees it differently…” WORLD Magazine | Sister Jeanne | Mindy Belz | Apr 22, 00

2. Rather than allow a judge to decide, the Clinton administration ordered a predawn armed raid. The Gonzalez family had committed no crime, was in violation of no court order…but was subjected to “…frightening image of a Border Patrol agent pointing his machine gun at Elian… "We got Maced, we got kicked, we got roughed up", Cuban-born NBC camera man Tony Zumbado told MSNBC. He said that as the incursion began, federal agents kicked him in the stomach and yelled, "Don't move or we'll shoot." Zumbado added on NBC's" Dateline: "My sound man got hit with a shotgun butt on the head, dragged outside.” [CTRL] JACKBOOT JANET STOMPS NBC NEWS CREW WHILE MAJOR MEDIA

3. Both Alan Dershowitz and Lawrence Tribe denounced the raid as illegal and unconstitutional. But the press was satisfied.


4. The Democrats got cover from the St. Petersberg Times, whose editorial placed the blame…guess where: “…manipulated and brainwashed by his Miami relatives,…” http://www.blythe.org/nytransfer-subs/20001cari/St.Petersburg_Times:_Elian's_Ordeal

5. For Fidel, fleeing Cuba was noting short of an unpardonable crime. And for American liberals, an opportunity to demonstrate absolute feasance to the wishes of this Communist dictator. And the Clinton administration proved abundantly willing to permit Castro to control events in America.

a. “Cuba's dictator, Fidel Castro, never lets anyone get off his island if he can find a way to kill them. His gunboats are not used to defend the island from attack. Their machine guns are used to kill people trying to escape his island Hell.” http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/elian.htm

b. It is little known that years earlier, Fidel Castro’s own divorced wife had left for the United States with their six year old son. He asked that their son be allowed to visit him, and his former wife, accepting his promise "as a gentleman," as he put it, to return the boy in two weeks' time. But when the two weeks elapsed, the boy was not sent home. cc_chapter2

 

[Mr.Nick]

That's to bad. And puts to bed the notion that conservatives have more support then liberals.

Because you guys support that shit.

Pick up the Constitution once in a while or Google "Electoral College"

Yes..and 3/5 of a person was in the constitution at one time. Electoral College is there to protect the "Landed Gentry".

It's an old notion that you conservatives hold near and dear to your hearts. Some people are just "worth" more then others.

First of all, you have absolutely zero understanding of the Three-Fifths Compromise and the reasoning behind it. Secondly, some people ARE IN FACT better than and worth more than others. For example, I'm better and worth more than you.

This video will explain the Three-Fifths Compromise to you, among other things.. No doubt you will be salty because its coming out of a black mans mouth...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xryXpK042pQ]Examining Black Loyalty to Democrats - YouTube[/ame]

 

[daveman]

That's to bad. And puts to bed the notion that conservatives have more support then liberals.

Because you guys support that shit.

Pick up the Constitution once in a while or Google "Electoral College"

Yes..and 3/5 of a person was in the constitution at one time. Electoral College is there to protect the "Landed Gentry".

It's an old notion that you conservatives hold near and dear to your hearts. Some people are just "worth" more then others.

...And you feel that way. You want the votes of metropolitan areas to have more weight than rural areas.

Trash Can Tickets In Queens

Does it look like you morons know what the hell you're doing? Hint: No.

 

[PoliticalChic]

But back when Fidel Castro demanded the return of an escaped slave, Eric Holder snapped to attention, clicked his heels, and sprung to action. Scrupulous legality, we’re given to understand by Mr. Holder, prevents his Department from prosecutions against the New Black Panthers and CAIR.

But regarding scrupulous legality, FoxNews’ Andrew Napolitano had (then Deputy) Attorney General Eric Holder’s number way back in April 23rd, 2000. Here it is thanks to The Media Research Center:

Napolitano: Tell me, Mr. Holder, why did you not get a court order authorizing you to go in and get the boy (Elian Gonzalez)?

Holder: Because we didn’t need a court order. INS can do this on its own.

Napolitano: You know that a court order would have given you the cloak of respectability to have seized the boy.

Holder: We didn’t need an order.

Napolitano: Then why did you ask the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals for such an order if you didn’t need one?

Holder: [Silence]

Napolitano: The fact is, for the first time in history you have taken a child from his residence at gunpoint to enforce your custody position, even though you did not have an order authorizing it. When is the last time a boy, a child, was taken at the point of a gun without an order of a judge…Unprecedented in American history.

Holder: He was not taken at the point of a gun.

Napolitano: We have a photograph showing he was taken at the point of a gun.

Holder: They were armed agents who went in there who acted very sensitively…
When Eric Holder Earned his Spurs (Elian Gonzalez, April 22, 2000)

 

[Sallow]

Pick up the Constitution once in a while or Google "Electoral College"

Yes..and 3/5 of a person was in the constitution at one time. Electoral College is there to protect the "Landed Gentry".

It's an old notion that you conservatives hold near and dear to your hearts. Some people are just "worth" more then others.

...And you feel that way. You want the votes of metropolitan areas to have more weight than rural areas.

Trash Can Tickets In Queens

Does it look like you morons know what the hell you're doing? Hint: No.

One vote...one person.

Simple enough.

Majority wins.

 

[rightwinger]

By all accounts, Elain's mother died getting him to American where he could be free of that Communist Cocksucker Fidel who liked to jerk his cock off while watching his political opponents get tortured. Like many American Leftists, Elain's father was a braindead Marxist tool.

By all accounts, Elians mother ran off with someone else and stole her son from the father. Conservative Americas attempt to prevent a young child from reuniting with his father was despicable

Child protective agencies regularly take children from a parent when the situation would endanger the wellbeing of the child.



1. The Castro government colluded with the Clinton-Janet Reno administration in allowing Elian’s grandmothers to come to the United States- stewarded by NCC ‘guards.’ But they made a mistake in having them meet with Elian at the home of Reno-friend Sister Jeanne O’Laughlin, who recognized what was going on, and promptly announced her change of heart to the press: “During the meeting, Sister O'Laughlin said in a sworn affidavit submitted to federal district court, she became convinced that the grandmothers "were not free to respond or act as they would towards their family, and that the situation was controlled by the Cuban officials." Until then, Sister O'Laughlin has said, she believed the boy should be with his father. Now she sees it differently…” WORLD Magazine | Sister Jeanne | Mindy Belz | Apr 22, 00

2. Rather than allow a judge to decide, the Clinton administration ordered a predawn armed raid. The Gonzalez family had committed no crime, was in violation of no court order…but was subjected to “…frightening image of a Border Patrol agent pointing his machine gun at Elian… "We got Maced, we got kicked, we got roughed up", Cuban-born NBC camera man Tony Zumbado told MSNBC. He said that as the incursion began, federal agents kicked him in the stomach and yelled, "Don't move or we'll shoot." Zumbado added on NBC's" Dateline: "My sound man got hit with a shotgun butt on the head, dragged outside.” [CTRL] JACKBOOT JANET STOMPS NBC NEWS CREW WHILE MAJOR MEDIA

3. Both Alan Dershowitz and Lawrence Tribe denounced the raid as illegal and unconstitutional. But the press was satisfied.


4. The Democrats got cover from the St. Petersberg Times, whose editorial placed the blame…guess where: “…manipulated and brainwashed by his Miami relatives,…” http://www.blythe.org/nytransfer-subs/20001cari/St.Petersburg_Times:_Elian's_Ordeal

5. For Fidel, fleeing Cuba was noting short of an unpardonable crime. And for American liberals, an opportunity to demonstrate absolute feasance to the wishes of this Communist dictator. And the Clinton administration proved abundantly willing to permit Castro to control events in America.

a. “Cuba's dictator, Fidel Castro, never lets anyone get off his island if he can find a way to kill them. His gunboats are not used to defend the island from attack. Their machine guns are used to kill people trying to escape his island Hell.” http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/elian.htm

b. It is little known that years earlier, Fidel Castro’s own divorced wife had left for the United States with their six year old son. He asked that their son be allowed to visit him, and his former wife, accepting his promise "as a gentleman," as he put it, to return the boy in two weeks' time. But when the two weeks elapsed, the boy was not sent home. cc_chapter2

Elians Miami clan had no legal standing to keep the child and ignored legal orders to turn him over.

They should have been prosecuted.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Yes..and 3/5 of a person was in the constitution at one time. Electoral College is there to protect the "Landed Gentry".

It's an old notion that you conservatives hold near and dear to your hearts. Some people are just "worth" more then others.

...And you feel that way. You want the votes of metropolitan areas to have more weight than rural areas.

Trash Can Tickets In Queens

Does it look like you morons know what the hell you're doing? Hint: No.

One vote...one person.

Simple enough.

Majority wins.

Oh shut the fuck up.

Democrats don't even respect democracy and their record of voter fraud (such as ACORN registering pseudonyms) and running to the supreme court over ballot referendums such as proposition 8 or those fagot fucks up in Wisconsin who fled the state out of protest are just a few citations of my assertion.

 

[PoliticalChic]

By all accounts, Elians mother ran off with someone else and stole her son from the father. Conservative Americas attempt to prevent a young child from reuniting with his father was despicable

Child protective agencies regularly take children from a parent when the situation would endanger the wellbeing of the child.



1. The Castro government colluded with the Clinton-Janet Reno administration in allowing Elian’s grandmothers to come to the United States- stewarded by NCC ‘guards.’ But they made a mistake in having them meet with Elian at the home of Reno-friend Sister Jeanne O’Laughlin, who recognized what was going on, and promptly announced her change of heart to the press: “During the meeting, Sister O'Laughlin said in a sworn affidavit submitted to federal district court, she became convinced that the grandmothers "were not free to respond or act as they would towards their family, and that the situation was controlled by the Cuban officials." Until then, Sister O'Laughlin has said, she believed the boy should be with his father. Now she sees it differently…” WORLD Magazine | Sister Jeanne | Mindy Belz | Apr 22, 00

2. Rather than allow a judge to decide, the Clinton administration ordered a predawn armed raid. The Gonzalez family had committed no crime, was in violation of no court order…but was subjected to “…frightening image of a Border Patrol agent pointing his machine gun at Elian… "We got Maced, we got kicked, we got roughed up", Cuban-born NBC camera man Tony Zumbado told MSNBC. He said that as the incursion began, federal agents kicked him in the stomach and yelled, "Don't move or we'll shoot." Zumbado added on NBC's" Dateline: "My sound man got hit with a shotgun butt on the head, dragged outside.” [CTRL] JACKBOOT JANET STOMPS NBC NEWS CREW WHILE MAJOR MEDIA

3. Both Alan Dershowitz and Lawrence Tribe denounced the raid as illegal and unconstitutional. But the press was satisfied.


4. The Democrats got cover from the St. Petersberg Times, whose editorial placed the blame…guess where: “…manipulated and brainwashed by his Miami relatives,…” http://www.blythe.org/nytransfer-subs/20001cari/St.Petersburg_Times:_Elian's_Ordeal

5. For Fidel, fleeing Cuba was noting short of an unpardonable crime. And for American liberals, an opportunity to demonstrate absolute feasance to the wishes of this Communist dictator. And the Clinton administration proved abundantly willing to permit Castro to control events in America.

a. “Cuba's dictator, Fidel Castro, never lets anyone get off his island if he can find a way to kill them. His gunboats are not used to defend the island from attack. Their machine guns are used to kill people trying to escape his island Hell.” http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/elian.htm

b. It is little known that years earlier, Fidel Castro’s own divorced wife had left for the United States with their six year old son. He asked that their son be allowed to visit him, and his former wife, accepting his promise "as a gentleman," as he put it, to return the boy in two weeks' time. But when the two weeks elapsed, the boy was not sent home. cc_chapter2

Elians Miami clan had no legal standing to keep the child and ignored legal orders to turn him over.

They should have been prosecuted.

Sorry, wingy....but I'm going to have to prove you wrong again.

Check this out:
"Thanks to the ritual MSM-Castroite collusion most people forget (or missed) the crucial legal and ethical details of this circus/tragedy — which were mostly established during the first week after Elian’s rescue at sea, after his heroic mother’s drowning. The “son-belongs-with-his-father” crowd, for instance, “missed” (with the help of the MSM-Democratic complex) that Elian’s father was initially delighted that his motherless son was in the U.S. and in the loving arms of his uncles and cousins.

The evidence — frantically buried by the MSM-Democratic complex — was overwhelming. Mauricio Vincent, a reporter for Madrid newspaper El Pais, wrote that during that first week he’d visited Elian’s home town of Cardenas and talked with Elian’s father, Juan Miguel, along with other family members and friends. All confirmed that Juan Miguel had always longed for his son Elian to flee to the United States. Shortly after Elian’s rescue, his father had even applied for a U.S. visa!

Elian’s Miami uncle, Lazaro, explained it repeatedly and best: “I always said I would turn over Elian to his father, when Juan Miguel would come here and claim him. But I (along with practically everyone with experience under communism from Cambodians to Hungarians and from Lithuanians to Cubans) knew such a thing was impossible. He couldn’t do that. I knew it wasn’t Juan Miguel requesting Elian–it was Fidel.”

The legal-weasels forgot (or missed) that on Dec, 1st 1999 the INS asserted that Miami-based uncle Lazaro was indeed Elian’s legal custodian and Florida’s family court indeed the place to arbitrate further issues.

Then on Dec 5th, 1999, Castro clapped his hands and his MSM minions snapped to attention. Within weeks Clinton’s INS had turned its initial decision on its head. Within months this same INS was kicking down Lazaro’s door, pummeling camera men and elderly ladies to the ground with jackboots and wrenching a screaming Elian from his legal custodians in a blaze of pepper gas and machine guns. When asked for the legal authority for this, they brandished either a search warrant to seize evidence that didn’t exist (and would not have been hidden anyway) or an arrest warrant to seize someone who no one claimed was a criminal or even a lawbreaker!

“They never made it clear just what kind of warrant it was. And neither would it have been legal,” patiently explained Alan Dershowitz (no less!)."
When Eric Holder Earned his Spurs (Elian Gonzalez, April 22, 2000)


One more time?
"Dec, 1st 1999 the INS asserted that Miami-based uncle Lazaro was indeed Elian’s legal custodian and Florida’s family court indeed the place to arbitrate further issues."

Let me ask you...just for the Christms season, assume arguendo that everything in my several posts were true...
....what conclusion would you, a fair man, draw about the relationship beteen the American Left, that would be the press and Clinton adminsitration, and the international Left, represented by the repressive totalitarian Castro regime?

Huh?

 

[rightwinger]

...And you feel that way. You want the votes of metropolitan areas to have more weight than rural areas.

Trash Can Tickets In Queens

Does it look like you morons know what the hell you're doing? Hint: No.

One vote...one person.

Simple enough.

Majority wins.

Oh shut the fuck up.

Democrats don't even respect democracy and their record of voter fraud (such as ACORN registering pseudonyms) and running to the supreme court over ballot referendums such as proposition 8 or those fagot fucks up in Wisconsin who fled the state out of protest are just a few citations of my assertion.

Is that the same as Republicans running to the courts because they lost the Obamacare vote?

 

[Mr.Nick]

One vote...one person.

Simple enough.

Majority wins.

Oh shut the fuck up.

Democrats don't even respect democracy and their record of voter fraud (such as ACORN registering pseudonyms) and running to the supreme court over ballot referendums such as proposition 8 or those fagot fucks up in Wisconsin who fled the state out of protest are just a few citations of my assertion.

Is that the same as Republicans running to the courts because they lost the Obamacare vote?

The difference there is that the government has no right FORCING a product on an individual...

Please show me where republicans have ever legislated a law which forces an individual to do anything...

 

[Uncensored2008]

Grow up?

You'll never do that, huh Shallow?

It was a lousy decision. It should be overturned.

Abiding by the constitution offends you.

Even Scalia..said it should never be used in determining other cases. That's just nuts.

More bullshit from the integrity-free sycophant.

 

[rightwinger]

Oh shut the fuck up.

Democrats don't even respect democracy and their record of voter fraud (such as ACORN registering pseudonyms) and running to the supreme court over ballot referendums such as proposition 8 or those fagot fucks up in Wisconsin who fled the state out of protest are just a few citations of my assertion.

Is that the same as Republicans running to the courts because they lost the Obamacare vote?

The difference there is that the government has no right FORCING a product on an individual...

Please show me where republicans have ever legislated a law which forces an individual to do anything...

Hmmmm.....very interesting

And Prop 8 is not FORCING religious views on American citizens?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Food for nukes?

God damn little boy, do you believe everything you read on those right wing hate sites?

I know you're just lying, you aren't this fucking retarded.

{In 1994, faced with North Korea’s announced intent to withdraw from the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT), which requires non-nuclear weapon states to forswear the development and acquisition of nuclear weapons, the United States and North Korea signed the Agreed Framework. Under this agreement, Pyongyang committed to freezing its illicit plutonium weapons program in exchange for aid.}

Chronology of U.S.-North Korean Nuclear and Missile Diplomacy | Arms Control Association

So, if you or Shallow ever told the truth about something, would you burst into flames?

 

[Mr.Nick]

Is that the same as Republicans running to the courts because they lost the Obamacare vote?

The difference there is that the government has no right FORCING a product on an individual...

Please show me where republicans have ever legislated a law which forces an individual to do anything...

Hmmmm.....very interesting

And Prop 8 is not FORCING religious views on American citizens?

Absolutely NOT......

Marriage is a choice, not to mention all sorts of people from all sorts of faiths get married or choose not to get married.

Besides, in the US marriage from a government perspective has absolutely NOTHING to do with religion and everything to do with contract, which is why I find some gays to by whiny little fools... Considering marriage is a contract what is preventing gay couples from manifesting their own civil contract??? - there is nothing that says one dude cant make another dude his beneficiary or grant him executive authority....

In reality gays just want to be accepted by society er they want to FORCE individuals to accept them - and of course progressive fucks are all about forcing people to do shit...

 

[Uncensored2008]

He lost the general election by over a million votes.

Ohmygawd....

Say stupidfuck (you don't mind if I call you stupidfuck, doya) have you ever heard of the United States Constitution? You know, that document you work so hard to abolish?

{Clause 2: Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

Clause 3: The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President. (See Note 8)

Clause 4: The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States. }

And Florida was "won" by some 5,000 votes. And that's in a state where his brother was governor and his campaign manager was secretary of state. Those things ALONE, make it extremely suspicious.

Either that, or you're a mindless fucking partisan with zero integrity pouting that you failed in the attempt to steal an election.

I'm going with the second option.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Are you? The electoral college should have went the way of slavery and the 3/4 person rule. It's meant to keep the "landed gentry" in power.

It's antiquated..

We can do away with elections and just have California and New York decide.

After all, without the Electoral College, that is the reality, California and New York decide ALL presidential elections.

 

[Uncensored2008]

What? It's not to protect the "rights" of the landed gentry?

Alrighty..go for it.

Why do we have the electoral college? This should be good.

To give less populous states a voice in government. Oddly enough, some of the colonies didn't see an advantage to being ruled sans voice by Philadelphia over being ruled by England.

Since you favor dictatorship, this is not a concern for you, but to those that support liberty, the EC is vital to giving voice to all citizens, not just those in the urban population centers.

 

[Mr.Nick]

What? It's not to protect the "rights" of the landed gentry?

Alrighty..go for it.

Why do we have the electoral college? This should be good.

To give less populous states a voice in government. Oddly enough, some of the colonies didn't see an advantage to being ruled sans voice by Philadelphia over being ruled by England.

Since you favor dictatorship, this is not a concern for you, but to those that support liberty, the EC is vital to giving voice to all citizens, not just those in the urban population centers.

Dude, if you gave progressives control of this nation they would manage to turn us into North Korea in less than a couple of decades....

For some reason they have a problem with democracy when it doesn't work in their favor. To them the system is flawed when they don't get their way and when they do its "democracy in action."

Obviously our system was concocted by intelligent individuals to prevent such bullshit as authoritarian rule, and they did such because they were not going to make the same mistakes that were being made across the pond. For some reason leftists don't respect our democratic republic model..

Quite frankly I believe many leftists belong in prison on charges of treason...

That's just my .02 cents on your debate...