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Ponder me this.....
If prop 8 was so fucking illegal then what the fuck was it doing on the ballot in the first place??
Let me guess gays were sooooo fucking sure that the majority would support them that prop8 was a shoe in???
Now that the general public in California voiced their opinions and sided the other way - its boo hoo?????
Of course when democracy doesn't favor democrats - run to the fucking progressive courts and they will circumvent democracy for you...
They did this same shit with Bush, they did it again in Wisconsin, then Indiana and now prop 8..
Although ballot initiatives such as Proposition 209, are an example of direct democracy, they do not supersede the U.S. Constitution. Many ballot initiatives that have passed with the support of a majority of the electorate have later been overturned by the courts, sometimes the Supreme Court.
Constitutional Limits On Referenda
Ponder me this.....
If prop 8 was so fucking illegal then what the fuck was it doing on the ballot in the first place??
Let me guess gays were sooooo fucking sure that the majority would support them that prop8 was a shoe in???
Now that the general public in California voiced their opinions and sided the other way - its boo hoo?????
Of course when democracy doesn't favor democrats - run to the fucking progressive courts and they will circumvent democracy for you...
They did this same shit with Bush, they did it again in Wisconsin, then Indiana and now prop 8..
Mr. Nick - you are a young smart man. I can't imagine having been so resolute at your age.
The general public in California first voted to legalize gay marriage. A special referendum was initiated to overturn the original public vote. Now that special (mormon driven) vote has been overturned.
Mormon??
Try the Christian vote in general - and there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that..
States have every right to put referendums on ballots and ask for a direct democratic opinion...
It just so happens the strong majority of minorities are in fact Christian...
Not only that but Muslims to boot..
Democracy won and now our progressive tyrannical court is attempting to undo the will of the people...
That in nature is authoritarian...
Oh and there is absolutely NO amendment that legitimizes gay marriage or even civil unions for that matter.
Mr. Nick - you are a young smart man. I can't imagine having been so resolute at your age.
The general public in California first voted to legalize gay marriage. A special referendum was initiated to overturn the original public vote. Now that special (mormon driven) vote has been overturned.
Mormon??
Try the Christian vote in general - and there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that..
States have every right to put referendums on ballots and ask for a direct democratic opinion...
It just so happens the strong majority of minorities are in fact Christian...
Not only that but Muslims to boot..
Democracy won and now our progressive tyrannical court is attempting to undo the will of the people...
That in nature is authoritarian...
Oh and there is absolutely NO amendment that legitimizes gay marriage or even civil unions for that matter.
It was the Mormon money and influence which supported the new referendum. The point is Democracy did win the first time and special interests overturned that popular vote.
Ponder me this.....
If prop 8 was so fucking illegal then what the fuck was it doing on the ballot in the first place??
Let me guess gays were sooooo fucking sure that the majority would support them that prop8 was a shoe in???
Now that the general public in California voiced their opinions and sided the other way - its boo hoo?????
Of course when democracy doesn't favor democrats - run to the fucking progressive courts and they will circumvent democracy for you...
They did this same shit with Bush, they did it again in Wisconsin, then Indiana and now prop 8..
Mr. Nick - you are a young smart man. I can't imagine having been so resolute at your age.
The general public in California first voted to legalize gay marriage. A special referendum was initiated to overturn the original public vote. Now that special (mormon driven) vote has been overturned.
Mormon??
Try the Christian vote in general - and there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that..
States have every right to put referendums on ballots and ask for a direct democratic opinion...
It just so happens the strong majority of minorities are in fact Christian...
Not only that but Muslims to boot..
Democracy won and now our progressive tyrannical court is attempting to undo the will of the people...
That in nature is authoritarian...
Oh and there is absolutely NO amendment that legitimizes gay marriage or even civil unions for that matter.
Marriage is NOT A RIGHT NOR A PROTECTION - It's a CONTRACT!!!!
People need to get it through their heads that marriage is and never will be a right or a civil liberty...
I'd bet 90% of blacks are anti-gay, 95% of Latinos are anti-gay, 99% of Muslims are anti-gay, 90% of the elderly are anti-gay...
Mr. Nick - you are a young smart man. I can't imagine having been so resolute at your age.
The general public in California first voted to legalize gay marriage. A special referendum was initiated to overturn the original public vote. Now that special (mormon driven) vote has been overturned.
Mormon??
Try the Christian vote in general - and there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that..
States have every right to put referendums on ballots and ask for a direct democratic opinion...
It just so happens the strong majority of minorities are in fact Christian...
Not only that but Muslims to boot..
Democracy won and now our progressive tyrannical court is attempting to undo the will of the people...
That in nature is authoritarian...
Oh and there is absolutely NO amendment that legitimizes gay marriage or even civil unions for that matter.
That is true.
But there is an Amendment that provides for equal distribution of federal and state benefits to ALL American citizens. DOMA and Prop 8 violate that Amendment.
People need to get it through their heads that marriage is and never will be a right or a civil liberty...
I'd bet 90% of blacks are anti-gay, 95% of Latinos are anti-gay, 99% of Muslims are anti-gay, 90% of the elderly are anti-gay...
Of course this is from almost three years ago and the results would be different today, but...
Blacks - 58% Favored | 42% Opposed
Latinos - 59% Favored | 41% Opposed
Muslim - Not tracked
Elderly (65+) - 67% Favored | 33% Opposed
Your hyperbole is wrong.
http://www.ncsu.edu/stud_affairs/glbt/pdfs/Prop 8 Report.pdf
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It's actually even bigger than previously understood. Yesterday, I linked to stories alleging up to 40 percent of the financing for the California proposition to strip gay couples of their right to marry was coming from LDS Church members. Now, the numbers claimed by the opponents of Proposition 8 are even higher - more like a staggering 77 percent:
Californians Against Hate released figures Tuesday showing that $17.67 million was contributed by 59,000 Mormon families since August to groups like Yes on 8. Contributions in support of Prop. 8 total $22.88 million. Additionally, the group reports that Mormons have contributed $6.9 million to pass a a similar law, Proposition 102, in Arizona...
Karger said Californians Against Hate came up with the figures by cross-referencing donor information from the California secretary of state with Brigham Young University alumni lists, church memberships, and other personal documentation that could identify Mormon Church members. He said the surge in support has been an attempt to boost the church's social standing among the greater religious community.
"For whatever reason, they're trying to get some respect from other religions," he told The Advocate Tuesday. "They've always been looked down upon by the Christians, the Catholics, and evangelicals." Success with the marriage amendment would give the church credibility, Karger said.
That's the funny thing about prop 8...
There is law that backs man-woman not gay...
Not that I agree with that law anyways because a union is a) contract and b) a state issue..
People need to get it through their heads that marriage is and never will be a right or a civil liberty...
It absolutely is a civil right as is being proven in Cali right now...
I'd bet 90% of blacks are anti-gay, 95% of Latinos are anti-gay, 99% of Muslims are anti-gay, 90% of the elderly are anti-gay...
Of course this is from almost three years ago and the results would be different today, but...
Blacks - 58% Favored | 42% Opposed
Latinos - 59% Favored | 41% Opposed
Muslim - Not tracked
Elderly (65+) - 67% Favored | 33% Opposed
Your hyperbole is wrong.
http://www.ncsu.edu/stud_affairs/glbt/pdfs/Prop 8 Report.pdf
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No it's not wrong - not given the notion that 50-60% turnout would be considered successful - even with ACORN almost forcing people to vote..
Not to mention I don't even trust your numbers....
Higher learning centers are brainwashing institutions and the majority are intellectually dishonest...
Their vocal political positions on issues make them moot when it comes to polling or studies...
That's the funny thing about prop 8...
There is law that backs man-woman not gay...
Not that I agree with that law anyways because a union is a) contract and b) a state issue..
Go into a county building, as the clerk for a "union" license and they will look at you very strangely as there are no "Union contracts available to a man and a woman".
What you would receive is this -->> LICENSE AND CERTIFICATE OF DECLARATION OF MARRIAGE
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That's the funny thing about prop 8...
There is law that backs man-woman not gay...
Not that I agree with that law anyways because a union is a) contract and b) a state issue..
Go into a county building, as the clerk for a "union" license and they will look at you very strangely as there are no "Union contracts available to a man and a woman".
What you would receive is this -->> LICENSE AND CERTIFICATE OF DECLARATION OF MARRIAGE
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Who fucking cares??
If a state legislates that then it is their business....
If the people democratically voted to prohibit such THEN IT IS ILLEGAL...
That is the beauty of democracy and our Bill of Rights.... If you don't agree with the existing system then go move to fucking North Korea (if you actually could, which you cant) - I'm sure they will be more understanding...
Who fucking cares??
Of course this is from almost three years ago and the results would be different today, but...
Blacks - 58% Favored | 42% Opposed
Latinos - 59% Favored | 41% Opposed
Muslim - Not tracked
Elderly (65+) - 67% Favored | 33% Opposed
Your hyperbole is wrong.
http://www.ncsu.edu/stud_affairs/glbt/pdfs/Prop 8 Report.pdf
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No it's not wrong - not given the notion that 50-60% turnout would be considered successful - even with ACORN almost forcing people to vote..
Not to mention I don't even trust your numbers....
Higher learning centers are brainwashing institutions and the majority are intellectually dishonest...
Their vocal political positions on issues make them moot when it comes to polling or studies...
"No it's not wrong"?
You cite numbers of 90%, 95%, and 99% and yet Prop 8 passed by only about 2.5%.
Your hyperbole doesn't add up.
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