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Flynn wasn’t denied counsel.Flynn and his lawyer told the court they waived any and all appeals.Yeah, I know. But they can only lie to suspects, or witnesses. They can't lie to the Court. Duh....
A guilty plea can still be vacated, even then. I doubt this one will be vacated; however, waiving any and all appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated. I've seen them vacated for denial of counsel and coersion before.
post sentence it can't be vacated. or 99% can't be. pre-sentence it can generally only be vacated if the judge doesn't accept the plea.
what coercion? you're guilty. we have evidence. you will go to jail for the rest of your treasonous life if you don't roll on the big guys. they aren't worth it.
now let's talk.
that isn't coercion.
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to coercion. First hit on google: Fourth Circuit Vacates Guilty Plea Due to District Court Coercion
"On April 28, 2015, the Fourth Circuit issued a published opinion in the criminal case United States v. Braxton. The Circuit Court held that Fed. R. Crim. P. 11(c)(1) explicitly prohibits district courts from participating in discussions about plea agreements in any way. Because the United States District Court for the District of Maryland impermissibly made repeated comments about the benefits of accepting a guilty plea to Braxton just before he elected to plead guilty, the Fourth Circuit vacated the proceedings and remanded for further proceedings."
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to denial of counsel. 9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
"9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
...
The Ninth Circuit vacated Ms. Velazquez’s convictions. The court first held that the appeal waiver did not bar the appeal, because the constructive denial of Ms. Velazquez’s right to counsel rendered the waiver unenforceable. The court then found that all of the elements of a constructive denial were present. "
I stated I don't think THIS one will be vacated. I was only commenting that waiving appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated.
Flynn wasn’t denied counsel.Flynn and his lawyer told the court they waived any and all appeals.Yeah, I know. But they can only lie to suspects, or witnesses. They can't lie to the Court. Duh....
A guilty plea can still be vacated, even then. I doubt this one will be vacated; however, waiving any and all appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated. I've seen them vacated for denial of counsel and coersion before.
post sentence it can't be vacated. or 99% can't be. pre-sentence it can generally only be vacated if the judge doesn't accept the plea.
what coercion? you're guilty. we have evidence. you will go to jail for the rest of your treasonous life if you don't roll on the big guys. they aren't worth it.
now let's talk.
that isn't coercion.
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to coercion. First hit on google: Fourth Circuit Vacates Guilty Plea Due to District Court Coercion
"On April 28, 2015, the Fourth Circuit issued a published opinion in the criminal case United States v. Braxton. The Circuit Court held that Fed. R. Crim. P. 11(c)(1) explicitly prohibits district courts from participating in discussions about plea agreements in any way. Because the United States District Court for the District of Maryland impermissibly made repeated comments about the benefits of accepting a guilty plea to Braxton just before he elected to plead guilty, the Fourth Circuit vacated the proceedings and remanded for further proceedings."
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to denial of counsel. 9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
"9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
...
The Ninth Circuit vacated Ms. Velazquez’s convictions. The court first held that the appeal waiver did not bar the appeal, because the constructive denial of Ms. Velazquez’s right to counsel rendered the waiver unenforceable. The court then found that all of the elements of a constructive denial were present. "
I stated I don't think THIS one will be vacated. I was only commenting that waiving appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated.
Flynn wasn’t coerced.
There is no indication that there is any si h claim.
So while I appreciate your attempt to at least present an actual legal argument unlike the dolts, I don’t see the argument being relevant.
And there is no indication that Flynn is trying to go back on his plea deal.
Flynn wasn’t denied counsel.Flynn and his lawyer told the court they waived any and all appeals.Yeah, I know. But they can only lie to suspects, or witnesses. They can't lie to the Court. Duh....
A guilty plea can still be vacated, even then. I doubt this one will be vacated; however, waiving any and all appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated. I've seen them vacated for denial of counsel and coersion before.
post sentence it can't be vacated. or 99% can't be. pre-sentence it can generally only be vacated if the judge doesn't accept the plea.
what coercion? you're guilty. we have evidence. you will go to jail for the rest of your treasonous life if you don't roll on the big guys. they aren't worth it.
now let's talk.
that isn't coercion.
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to coercion. First hit on google: Fourth Circuit Vacates Guilty Plea Due to District Court Coercion
"On April 28, 2015, the Fourth Circuit issued a published opinion in the criminal case United States v. Braxton. The Circuit Court held that Fed. R. Crim. P. 11(c)(1) explicitly prohibits district courts from participating in discussions about plea agreements in any way. Because the United States District Court for the District of Maryland impermissibly made repeated comments about the benefits of accepting a guilty plea to Braxton just before he elected to plead guilty, the Fourth Circuit vacated the proceedings and remanded for further proceedings."
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to denial of counsel. 9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
"9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
...
The Ninth Circuit vacated Ms. Velazquez’s convictions. The court first held that the appeal waiver did not bar the appeal, because the constructive denial of Ms. Velazquez’s right to counsel rendered the waiver unenforceable. The court then found that all of the elements of a constructive denial were present. "
I stated I don't think THIS one will be vacated. I was only commenting that waiving appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated.
Flynn wasn’t coerced.
There is no indication that there is any si h claim.
So while I appreciate your attempt to at least present an actual legal argument unlike the dolts, I don’t see the argument being relevant.
And there is no indication that Flynn is trying to go back on his plea deal.
Flynn wasn’t denied counsel.Flynn and his lawyer told the court they waived any and all appeals.
A guilty plea can still be vacated, even then. I doubt this one will be vacated; however, waiving any and all appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated. I've seen them vacated for denial of counsel and coersion before.
post sentence it can't be vacated. or 99% can't be. pre-sentence it can generally only be vacated if the judge doesn't accept the plea.
what coercion? you're guilty. we have evidence. you will go to jail for the rest of your treasonous life if you don't roll on the big guys. they aren't worth it.
now let's talk.
that isn't coercion.
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to coercion. First hit on google: Fourth Circuit Vacates Guilty Plea Due to District Court Coercion
"On April 28, 2015, the Fourth Circuit issued a published opinion in the criminal case United States v. Braxton. The Circuit Court held that Fed. R. Crim. P. 11(c)(1) explicitly prohibits district courts from participating in discussions about plea agreements in any way. Because the United States District Court for the District of Maryland impermissibly made repeated comments about the benefits of accepting a guilty plea to Braxton just before he elected to plead guilty, the Fourth Circuit vacated the proceedings and remanded for further proceedings."
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to denial of counsel. 9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
"9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
...
The Ninth Circuit vacated Ms. Velazquez’s convictions. The court first held that the appeal waiver did not bar the appeal, because the constructive denial of Ms. Velazquez’s right to counsel rendered the waiver unenforceable. The court then found that all of the elements of a constructive denial were present. "
I stated I don't think THIS one will be vacated. I was only commenting that waiving appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated.
Flynn wasn’t coerced.
There is no indication that there is any si h claim.
So while I appreciate your attempt to at least present an actual legal argument unlike the dolts, I don’t see the argument being relevant.
And there is no indication that Flynn is trying to go back on his plea deal.
I was responding to a particular post that stated pleas cannot be vacated due to waiving any and all appeals. That is all. The only Flynn-specific thing I said was that I didn't think his would be vacated. Apologies if I wasn't clear.
What indictmentWhat indictment? Flynn plead guilty. He's convicted and awaiting sentencing.not this time, but it's still available if they need it. but once the indictment is thrown out, they won't have to worry about itit truly does, and we'll be finding out that reality shortly. eh?doesn't matter where it's at, it's on record.
Reality matters. Not the latest turds in the conspiracy punch bowl. Can I get you a refill?
Is this where you start talking talking about imaginary and non-existent appeals?
If you actually read back, which you didn’t, you’d see that I already addressed the VERY limited circumstances under which a plea can be withdrawn or vacated.Flynn and his lawyer told the court they waived any and all appeals.Yeah, I know. But they can only lie to suspects, or witnesses. They can't lie to the Court. Duh....
A guilty plea can still be vacated, even then. I doubt this one will be vacated; however, waiving any and all appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated. I've seen them vacated for denial of counsel and coersion before.
post sentence it can't be vacated. or 99% can't be. pre-sentence it can generally only be vacated if the judge doesn't accept the plea.
what coercion? you're guilty. we have evidence. you will go to jail for the rest of your treasonous life if you don't roll on the big guys. they aren't worth it.
now let's talk.
that isn't coercion.
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to coercion. First hit on google: Fourth Circuit Vacates Guilty Plea Due to District Court Coercion
"On April 28, 2015, the Fourth Circuit issued a published opinion in the criminal case United States v. Braxton. The Circuit Court held that Fed. R. Crim. P. 11(c)(1) explicitly prohibits district courts from participating in discussions about plea agreements in any way. Because the United States District Court for the District of Maryland impermissibly made repeated comments about the benefits of accepting a guilty plea to Braxton just before he elected to plead guilty, the Fourth Circuit vacated the proceedings and remanded for further proceedings."
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to denial of counsel. 9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
"9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
...
The Ninth Circuit vacated Ms. Velazquez’s convictions. The court first held that the appeal waiver did not bar the appeal, because the constructive denial of Ms. Velazquez’s right to counsel rendered the waiver unenforceable. The court then found that all of the elements of a constructive denial were present. "
I stated I don't think THIS one will be vacated. I was only commenting that waiving appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated.
Flynn wasn’t denied counsel.A guilty plea can still be vacated, even then. I doubt this one will be vacated; however, waiving any and all appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated. I've seen them vacated for denial of counsel and coersion before.
post sentence it can't be vacated. or 99% can't be. pre-sentence it can generally only be vacated if the judge doesn't accept the plea.
what coercion? you're guilty. we have evidence. you will go to jail for the rest of your treasonous life if you don't roll on the big guys. they aren't worth it.
now let's talk.
that isn't coercion.
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to coercion. First hit on google: Fourth Circuit Vacates Guilty Plea Due to District Court Coercion
"On April 28, 2015, the Fourth Circuit issued a published opinion in the criminal case United States v. Braxton. The Circuit Court held that Fed. R. Crim. P. 11(c)(1) explicitly prohibits district courts from participating in discussions about plea agreements in any way. Because the United States District Court for the District of Maryland impermissibly made repeated comments about the benefits of accepting a guilty plea to Braxton just before he elected to plead guilty, the Fourth Circuit vacated the proceedings and remanded for further proceedings."
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to denial of counsel. 9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
"9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
...
The Ninth Circuit vacated Ms. Velazquez’s convictions. The court first held that the appeal waiver did not bar the appeal, because the constructive denial of Ms. Velazquez’s right to counsel rendered the waiver unenforceable. The court then found that all of the elements of a constructive denial were present. "
I stated I don't think THIS one will be vacated. I was only commenting that waiving appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated.
Flynn wasn’t coerced.
There is no indication that there is any si h claim.
So while I appreciate your attempt to at least present an actual legal argument unlike the dolts, I don’t see the argument being relevant.
And there is no indication that Flynn is trying to go back on his plea deal.
I was responding to a particular post that stated pleas cannot be vacated due to waiving any and all appeals. That is all. The only Flynn-specific thing I said was that I didn't think his would be vacated. Apologies if I wasn't clear.
It seems we're all in agreement. And again, nicely supported argument.
What indictmentWhat indictment? Flynn plead guilty. He's convicted and awaiting sentencing.not this time, but it's still available if they need it. but once the indictment is thrown out, they won't have to worry about itit truly does, and we'll be finding out that reality shortly. eh?Reality matters. Not the latest turds in the conspiracy punch bowl. Can I get you a refill?
Is this where you start talking talking about imaginary and non-existent appeals?
exactly.
If you actually read back, which you didn’t, you’d see that I already addressed the VERY limited circumstances under which a plea can be withdrawn or vacated.Flynn and his lawyer told the court they waived any and all appeals.Yeah, I know. But they can only lie to suspects, or witnesses. They can't lie to the Court. Duh....
A guilty plea can still be vacated, even then. I doubt this one will be vacated; however, waiving any and all appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated. I've seen them vacated for denial of counsel and coersion before.
post sentence it can't be vacated. or 99% can't be. pre-sentence it can generally only be vacated if the judge doesn't accept the plea.
what coercion? you're guilty. we have evidence. you will go to jail for the rest of your treasonous life if you don't roll on the big guys. they aren't worth it.
now let's talk.
that isn't coercion.
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to coercion. First hit on google: Fourth Circuit Vacates Guilty Plea Due to District Court Coercion
"On April 28, 2015, the Fourth Circuit issued a published opinion in the criminal case United States v. Braxton. The Circuit Court held that Fed. R. Crim. P. 11(c)(1) explicitly prohibits district courts from participating in discussions about plea agreements in any way. Because the United States District Court for the District of Maryland impermissibly made repeated comments about the benefits of accepting a guilty plea to Braxton just before he elected to plead guilty, the Fourth Circuit vacated the proceedings and remanded for further proceedings."
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to denial of counsel. 9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
"9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
...
The Ninth Circuit vacated Ms. Velazquez’s convictions. The court first held that the appeal waiver did not bar the appeal, because the constructive denial of Ms. Velazquez’s right to counsel rendered the waiver unenforceable. The court then found that all of the elements of a constructive denial were present. "
I stated I don't think THIS one will be vacated. I was only commenting that waiving appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated.
This isn’t one of those VERYimited circumstances.
I do find it amusing that you decided to stop contrary with me but not the dolt who is arguing that Flynn still has to go before a grand jury, get indicted and have a jury trial.
If you actually read back, which you didn’t, you’d see that I already addressed the VERY limited circumstances under which a plea can be withdrawn or vacated.Flynn and his lawyer told the court they waived any and all appeals.
A guilty plea can still be vacated, even then. I doubt this one will be vacated; however, waiving any and all appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated. I've seen them vacated for denial of counsel and coersion before.
post sentence it can't be vacated. or 99% can't be. pre-sentence it can generally only be vacated if the judge doesn't accept the plea.
what coercion? you're guilty. we have evidence. you will go to jail for the rest of your treasonous life if you don't roll on the big guys. they aren't worth it.
now let's talk.
that isn't coercion.
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to coercion. First hit on google: Fourth Circuit Vacates Guilty Plea Due to District Court Coercion
"On April 28, 2015, the Fourth Circuit issued a published opinion in the criminal case United States v. Braxton. The Circuit Court held that Fed. R. Crim. P. 11(c)(1) explicitly prohibits district courts from participating in discussions about plea agreements in any way. Because the United States District Court for the District of Maryland impermissibly made repeated comments about the benefits of accepting a guilty plea to Braxton just before he elected to plead guilty, the Fourth Circuit vacated the proceedings and remanded for further proceedings."
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to denial of counsel. 9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
"9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
...
The Ninth Circuit vacated Ms. Velazquez’s convictions. The court first held that the appeal waiver did not bar the appeal, because the constructive denial of Ms. Velazquez’s right to counsel rendered the waiver unenforceable. The court then found that all of the elements of a constructive denial were present. "
I stated I don't think THIS one will be vacated. I was only commenting that waiving appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated.
This isn’t one of those VERYimited circumstances.
I do find it amusing that you decided to stop contrary with me but not the dolt who is arguing that Flynn still has to go before a grand jury, get indicted and have a jury trial.
WTF?!?! Who peed in your cheerios? I have not been contrary to you. I DID read back. You are lying (or being contrary) by saying I did not. You are reading hostility that is not there.
I just logged in and answered my alerts (where you showed up). I have not begun reading this thread where I left off yet. I'm sure I'll reply to others as time permits.
If you actually read back, which you didn’t, you’d see that I already addressed the VERY limited circumstances under which a plea can be withdrawn or vacated.A guilty plea can still be vacated, even then. I doubt this one will be vacated; however, waiving any and all appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated. I've seen them vacated for denial of counsel and coersion before.
post sentence it can't be vacated. or 99% can't be. pre-sentence it can generally only be vacated if the judge doesn't accept the plea.
what coercion? you're guilty. we have evidence. you will go to jail for the rest of your treasonous life if you don't roll on the big guys. they aren't worth it.
now let's talk.
that isn't coercion.
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to coercion. First hit on google: Fourth Circuit Vacates Guilty Plea Due to District Court Coercion
"On April 28, 2015, the Fourth Circuit issued a published opinion in the criminal case United States v. Braxton. The Circuit Court held that Fed. R. Crim. P. 11(c)(1) explicitly prohibits district courts from participating in discussions about plea agreements in any way. Because the United States District Court for the District of Maryland impermissibly made repeated comments about the benefits of accepting a guilty plea to Braxton just before he elected to plead guilty, the Fourth Circuit vacated the proceedings and remanded for further proceedings."
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to denial of counsel. 9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
"9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
...
The Ninth Circuit vacated Ms. Velazquez’s convictions. The court first held that the appeal waiver did not bar the appeal, because the constructive denial of Ms. Velazquez’s right to counsel rendered the waiver unenforceable. The court then found that all of the elements of a constructive denial were present. "
I stated I don't think THIS one will be vacated. I was only commenting that waiving appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated.
This isn’t one of those VERYimited circumstances.
I do find it amusing that you decided to stop contrary with me but not the dolt who is arguing that Flynn still has to go before a grand jury, get indicted and have a jury trial.
WTF?!?! Who peed in your cheerios? I have not been contrary to you. I DID read back. You are lying (or being contrary) by saying I did not. You are reading hostility that is not there.
I just logged in and answered my alerts (where you showed up). I have not begun reading this thread where I left off yet. I'm sure I'll reply to others as time permits.
Frankly I read your response and thought it misleading until I understood the context. And you're certainly right that there are clearly established standards for accepting a plea, and if they aren't met, the plea should be allowed to be withdrawn, or any conviction overturned because the plea was not knowing and informed, and as you said, that's not the case with Flynn.
The ‘tards are thoroughly confused.What indictment? Flynn plead guilty. He's convicted and awaiting sentencing.not this time, but it's still available if they need it. but once the indictment is thrown out, they won't have to worry about itit truly does, and we'll be finding out that reality shortly. eh?doesn't matter where it's at, it's on record.
Reality matters. Not the latest turds in the conspiracy punch bowl. Can I get you a refill?
Is this where you start talking talking about imaginary and non-existent appeals?
well sure there is. why else would he plead guilty if he wasn't charged?What indictmentWhat indictment? Flynn plead guilty. He's convicted and awaiting sentencing.not this time, but it's still available if they need it. but once the indictment is thrown out, they won't have to worry about itit truly does, and we'll be finding out that reality shortly. eh?
Is this where you start talking talking about imaginary and non-existent appeals?
exactly.
You said his indictment would be overturned. He's already been found guilty. There is no 'indictment' to overturn.
You're thoroughly confused.
well sure there is. why else would he plead guilty if he wasn't charged?What indictmentWhat indictment? Flynn plead guilty. He's convicted and awaiting sentencing.not this time, but it's still available if they need it. but once the indictment is thrown out, they won't have to worry about itIs this where you start talking talking about imaginary and non-existent appeals?
exactly.
You said his indictment would be overturned. He's already been found guilty. There is no 'indictment' to overturn.
You're thoroughly confused.
yeah, there's nothing involuntary with Flynn's plea. Page hasn't pled to anything has he? I don't think he's even been charged. Rather I think the Trump spinners (and there are those among the anti-Trumpers too) are trying to say there was something improper in tapping Page's phones. But there wasn't because Page was identified as a "Russian asset" years before he joined Trump. The real question is WTF was Trump thinking getting near that guy. LOLIf you actually read back, which you didn’t, you’d see that I already addressed the VERY limited circumstances under which a plea can be withdrawn or vacated.post sentence it can't be vacated. or 99% can't be. pre-sentence it can generally only be vacated if the judge doesn't accept the plea.
what coercion? you're guilty. we have evidence. you will go to jail for the rest of your treasonous life if you don't roll on the big guys. they aren't worth it.
now let's talk.
that isn't coercion.
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to coercion. First hit on google: Fourth Circuit Vacates Guilty Plea Due to District Court Coercion
"On April 28, 2015, the Fourth Circuit issued a published opinion in the criminal case United States v. Braxton. The Circuit Court held that Fed. R. Crim. P. 11(c)(1) explicitly prohibits district courts from participating in discussions about plea agreements in any way. Because the United States District Court for the District of Maryland impermissibly made repeated comments about the benefits of accepting a guilty plea to Braxton just before he elected to plead guilty, the Fourth Circuit vacated the proceedings and remanded for further proceedings."
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to denial of counsel. 9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
"9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
...
The Ninth Circuit vacated Ms. Velazquez’s convictions. The court first held that the appeal waiver did not bar the appeal, because the constructive denial of Ms. Velazquez’s right to counsel rendered the waiver unenforceable. The court then found that all of the elements of a constructive denial were present. "
I stated I don't think THIS one will be vacated. I was only commenting that waiving appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated.
This isn’t one of those VERYimited circumstances.
I do find it amusing that you decided to stop contrary with me but not the dolt who is arguing that Flynn still has to go before a grand jury, get indicted and have a jury trial.
WTF?!?! Who peed in your cheerios? I have not been contrary to you. I DID read back. You are lying (or being contrary) by saying I did not. You are reading hostility that is not there.
I just logged in and answered my alerts (where you showed up). I have not begun reading this thread where I left off yet. I'm sure I'll reply to others as time permits.
Frankly I read your response and thought it misleading until I understood the context. And you're certainly right that there are clearly established standards for accepting a plea, and if they aren't met, the plea should be allowed to be withdrawn, or any conviction overturned because the plea was not knowing and informed, and as you said, that's not the case with Flynn.
I also think Flynn and Page are being interchanged, but am only going by memory. Flynn's plea would not be vacated because Page "was not knowing or informed," which is what I think is being confused. I haven't had time to check back to be sure my memory is correct, though.
The ‘tards are thoroughly confused.What indictment? Flynn plead guilty. He's convicted and awaiting sentencing.not this time, but it's still available if they need it. but once the indictment is thrown out, they won't have to worry about itit truly does, and we'll be finding out that reality shortly. eh?Reality matters. Not the latest turds in the conspiracy punch bowl. Can I get you a refill?
Is this where you start talking talking about imaginary and non-existent appeals?
But their confusion is uniformly spread among them; leaving one to wonder from where do they get their information??
What indictmentWhat indictment? Flynn plead guilty. He's convicted and awaiting sentencing.not this time, but it's still available if they need it. but once the indictment is thrown out, they won't have to worry about itit truly does, and we'll be finding out that reality shortly. eh?Reality matters. Not the latest turds in the conspiracy punch bowl. Can I get you a refill?
Is this where you start talking talking about imaginary and non-existent appeals?
exactly.
If you weren’t being contrary then it was odd to lecture me on something I already stated.If you actually read back, which you didn’t, you’d see that I already addressed the VERY limited circumstances under which a plea can be withdrawn or vacated.Flynn and his lawyer told the court they waived any and all appeals.
A guilty plea can still be vacated, even then. I doubt this one will be vacated; however, waiving any and all appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated. I've seen them vacated for denial of counsel and coersion before.
post sentence it can't be vacated. or 99% can't be. pre-sentence it can generally only be vacated if the judge doesn't accept the plea.
what coercion? you're guilty. we have evidence. you will go to jail for the rest of your treasonous life if you don't roll on the big guys. they aren't worth it.
now let's talk.
that isn't coercion.
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to coercion. First hit on google: Fourth Circuit Vacates Guilty Plea Due to District Court Coercion
"On April 28, 2015, the Fourth Circuit issued a published opinion in the criminal case United States v. Braxton. The Circuit Court held that Fed. R. Crim. P. 11(c)(1) explicitly prohibits district courts from participating in discussions about plea agreements in any way. Because the United States District Court for the District of Maryland impermissibly made repeated comments about the benefits of accepting a guilty plea to Braxton just before he elected to plead guilty, the Fourth Circuit vacated the proceedings and remanded for further proceedings."
I stated guilty pleas have been vacated due to denial of counsel. 9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
"9th Circuit: Guilty plea convictions vacated for constructive denial of right to counsel
...
The Ninth Circuit vacated Ms. Velazquez’s convictions. The court first held that the appeal waiver did not bar the appeal, because the constructive denial of Ms. Velazquez’s right to counsel rendered the waiver unenforceable. The court then found that all of the elements of a constructive denial were present. "
I stated I don't think THIS one will be vacated. I was only commenting that waiving appeals does not mean a guilty plea can't be vacated.
This isn’t one of those VERYimited circumstances.
I do find it amusing that you decided to stop contrary with me but not the dolt who is arguing that Flynn still has to go before a grand jury, get indicted and have a jury trial.
WTF?!?! Who peed in your cheerios? I have not been contrary to you. I DID read back. You are lying (or being contrary) by saying I did not. You are reading hostility that is not there.
I just logged in and answered my alerts (where you showed up). I have not begun reading this thread where I left off yet. I'm sure I'll reply to others as time permits.
Yet the dossier says Russia was interfering in the US election, as verified by US intel agencies. How is that fabricated?Say fake lawyer, if the basis for the witch hunt is the fabricated Steel Dossier
the dossier was fabricated
paid by the witch Clinton
Yet the dossier says Russia was interfering in the US election, as verified by US intel agencies. How is that fabricated?Say fake lawyer, if the basis for the witch hunt is the fabricated Steel Dossier
the dossier was fabricated
paid by the witch Clinton
AND...it was designed to sink Trump, proving that the Kremlin wanted Bill's wife as President.....'cause they had a history of being able to bribe her.
