Breaking: Scientists say Ice Age imminent!!!

[skookerasbil]

Its all about the ice s0ns!!!

 

[Old Rocks]

The Daily Caller? And that is the journal of what Scientific Society?

Greenland ice sheet mass balance: distribution of increased mass ...: ingentaconnect

Home / Journal of Glaciology, Volume 57, Number 201

Journal of Glaciology, Volume 57, Number 201, February 2011, pp. 88-102(15)

Publisher: International Glaciological Society



Abstract:
We derive mass changes of the Greenland ice sheet (GIS) for 2003–07 from ICESat laser altimetry and compare them with results for 1992–2002 from ERS radar and airborne laser altimetry. The GIS continued to grow inland and thin at the margins during 2003–07, but surface melting and accelerated flow significantly increased the marginal thinning compared with the 1990s. The net balance changed from a small loss of 7 ± 3 Gt a–1 in the 1990s to 171 ± 4 Gt a–1 for 2003–07, contributing 0.5 mm a–1 to recent global sea-level rise. We divide the derived mass changes into two components: (1) from changes in melting and ice dynamics and (2) from changes in precipitation and accumulation rate. We use our firn compaction model to calculate the elevation changes driven by changes in both temperature and accumulation rate and to calculate the appropriate density to convert the accumulation-driven changes to mass changes. Increased losses from melting and ice dynamics (17–206 Gt a–1) are over seven times larger than increased gains from precipitation (10–35 Gt a–1) during a warming period of ∼2 K (10 a)–1 over the GIS. Above 2000 m elevation, the rate of gain decreased from 44 to 28 Gt a–1, while below 2000 m the rate of loss increased from 51 to 198 Gt a–1. Enhanced thinning below the equilibrium line on outlet glaciers indicates that increased melting has a significant impact on outlet glaciers, as well as accelerating ice flow. Increased thinning at higher elevations appears to be induced by dynamic coupling to thinning at the margins on decadal timescales.

 

[edthecynic]

Deniers have been predicting an Ice Age since the 1970s, but the most that ever happens is the warming stalls for a period of time and then the warming begins again exactly where the last warming cycle left off. We don't even get a cooling cycle back to the last cool point let alone an Ice Age, only a stall in the warming and then some more warming.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Deniers have been predicting an Ice Age since the 1970s, but the most that ever happens is the warming stalls for a period of time and then the warming begins again exactly where the last warming cycle left off. We don't even get a cooling cycle back to the last cool point let alone an Ice Age, only a stall in the warming and then some more warming.

The late 60's was on up was the up side of the current 160 year solar cycle. We have learned a whole lot about the length and strength of the longer solar cycles since then.

The new model now reflects known warm and cold cycles without falsifying the levels of CO2 or how they actually act in our atmosphere..

 

[Katzndogz]

There's no warming. There's no real cooling. We had the cooling scare in the 70s and it turned out to be pretty much part of the cycle. No climate has changed for thousands of years. No desert has become alpine, no tropical climate has become moderate. That's climate.

What these scientists are trying to tell you is that something is happening that is NOT part of the cycle of warming and cooling. What these scientists are trying to tell you is that there are changes in the sun that will cause a Maunder's Minimum, which is INTENSE cold. The last time there was this kind of cold, the Thames in England froze solid. That's intense cold that makes our piddly Polar Vortex look like a week end in Miami.

 

[skookerasbil]

There's no warming. There's no real cooling. We had the cooling scare in the 70s and it turned out to be pretty much part of the cycle. No climate has changed for thousands of years. No desert has become alpine, no tropical climate has become moderate. That's climate.

What these scientists are trying to tell you is that something is happening that is NOT part of the cycle of warming and cooling. What these scientists are trying to tell you is that there are changes in the sun that will cause a Maunder's Minimum, which is INTENSE cold. The last time there was this kind of cold, the Thames in England froze solid. That's intense cold that makes our piddly Polar Vortex look like a week end in Miami.

It is fascinating that to this global warming religion, the sun does not exist as part of the dynamic of the climate!! That like saying Kim Kardasian's boobs aren't part of her allure.

These people are intellectually dishonest to the degree of astounding.


Scientists questioning the accuracy of IPCC climate projections
These scientists have said that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the next century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.

• David Bellamy, botanist.[14][15][16][17]
• Lennart Bengtsson, meteorologist, Reading University.[18][unreliable source?][19]
• Judith Curry, Professor and former chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology.[20][21][22][23]
• Freeman Dyson, professor emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences, Institute for Advanced Study; Fellow of the Royal Society [24][25]
• Steven E. Koonin, theoretical physicist and director of the Center for Urban Science and Progress at New York University[26][27]
• Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan emeritus professor of atmospheric science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences[28][29][30][31]
• Craig Loehle, ecologist and chief scientist at the National Council for Air and Stream Improvement.[32][33][34][35][36][37][38]
• Patrick Moore, former president of Greenpeace Canada[39][40][41]
• Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics Department at Stockholm University, former chairman of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999–2003)[42][43]
• Garth Paltridge, retired chief research scientist, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research and retired director of the Institute of the Antarctic Cooperative Research Centre, visiting fellow Australian National University[44][45]
• Denis Rancourt, former professor of physics at University of Ottawa, research scientist in condensed matter physics, and in environmental and soil science[46][47][48][49]
• Harrison Schmitt, geologist, Apollo 17 Astronaut, former U.S. Senator.[50]
• Peter Stilbs, professor of physical chemistry at Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm[51][52]
• Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London[53][54]
• Hendrik Tennekes, retired director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute [55][56]
• Anastasios Tsonis, distinguished professor at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee[57][58]
• Fritz Vahrenholt, German politician and energy executive with a doctorate in chemistry[59][60]

Scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes

Graph showing the ability with which a global climate model is able to reconstruct the historical temperature record, and the degree to which those temperature changes can be decomposed into various forcing factors. It shows the effects of five forcing factors: greenhouse gases, man-made sulfate emissions, solar variability, ozone changes, and volcanic emissions.[61]
These scientists have said that the observed warming is more likely to be attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

• Khabibullo Abdusamatov, astrophysicist at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences[62][63]
• Sallie Baliunas, retired astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[64][65][66]
• Timothy Ball, historical climatologist, and retired professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg[67][68][69]
• Robert M. Carter, former head of the school of earth sciences at James Cook University[70][71]
• Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[72][73]
• Chris de Freitas, associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland[74][75]
• David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester[76][77]
• Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University[78][79]
• William M. Gray, professor emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University[80][81]
• William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy; emeritus professor, Princeton University[82][83]
• Ole Humlum, professor of geology at the University of Oslo[84][85]
• Wibjörn Karlén, professor emeritus of geography and geology at the University of Stockholm.[86][87]
• William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology[88][89]
• David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware[90][91]
• Anthony Lupo, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Missouri[92][93]
• Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[94][95]
• Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.[96][97][98]
• Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of mining geology, the University of Adelaide.[99][100]
• Arthur B. Robinson, American politician, biochemist and former faculty member at the University of California, San Diego[101][102]
• Murry Salby, atmospheric scientist, former professor at Macquarie University and University of Colorado[103][104]
• Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University[105][106][107]
• Tom Segalstad, geologist; associate professor at University of Oslo[108][109]
• Nir Shaviv, professor of physics focusing on astrophysics and climate science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem[110][111]
• Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia[112][113][114][115]
• Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[116][117]
• Roy Spencer, meteorologist; principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville[118][119]
• Henrik Svensmark, physicist, Danish National Space Center[120][121]
• George H. Taylor, retired director of the Oregon Climate Service at Oregon State University[122][123]
• Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa[124][125]

Scientists arguing that the cause of global warming is unknown
These scientists have said that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural.

• Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and founding director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks.[126][127]
• Claude Allègre, French politician; geochemist, emeritus professor at Institute of Geophysics (Paris).[128][129]
• Robert Balling, a professor of geography at Arizona State University.[130][131]
• Pål Brekke, solar astrophycisist, senior advisor Norwegian Space Centre.[132][133]
• John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCC reports.[134][135][136]
• Petr Chylek, space and remote sensing sciences researcher, Los Alamos National Laboratory.[137][138]
• David Deming, geology professor at the University of Oklahoma.[139][140]
• Ivar Giaever, professor emeritus of physics at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and a Nobel laureate.[141][142]
• Vincent R. Gray, New Zealand physical chemist with expertise in coal ashes[143][144]
• Keith E. Idso, botanist, former adjunct professor of biology at Maricopa County Community College District and the vice president of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change[145][146]
• Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists.[147][148]

Scientists arguing that global warming will have few negative consequences
These scientists have said that projected rising temperatures will be of little impact or a net positive for society or the environment.

• Indur M. Goklany, science and technology policy analyst for the United States Department of the Interior[149][150][151]
• Craig D. Idso, faculty researcher, Office of Climatology, Arizona State University and founder of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change [152][153]
• Sherwood B. Idso, former research physicist, USDA Water Conservation Laboratory, and adjunct professor, Arizona State University[154][155]
• Patrick Michaels, senior fellow at the Cato Institute and retired research professor of environmental science at the University of Virginia[156][157]

List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia






But the bozo's are in here every day saying "the science is settled".


No its not.


Not even close



And if it is so settled, why are members of the AGW religion in here stripping their teeth with all the hysterical pushback?

 

[jc456]

The libs will still sit there and say "nu uh".

You dumb fuck, that is a prediction fifteen years in the future. And a very shaky one at that. And you are creaming your pants over it.

funny, you make that statement and you're betting the farm on doom and gloom heat in 2050. Dude, look up the word hypocrite. See if your photo's there.

 

[jc456]

Hey Sarge, a definate predicition, within the next five years, at least three of them will be in the top ten, and one will exceed 2015. Now what are your predictions, other than more flap-yap from know-nothing 'Conservatives'?

so, your predictions are 'definate' ('definite' for those who like to spell correctly), and any one prediction on the other side are all flap yap. Dude seriously, do you know how stupid that is? Do you? are you really that uneducated to write that and then post it?

 

[jc456]

Deniers have been predicting an Ice Age since the 1970s, but the most that ever happens is the warming stalls for a period of time and then the warming begins again exactly where the last warming cycle left off. We don't even get a cooling cycle back to the last cool point let alone an Ice Age, only a stall in the warming and then some more warming.

so you are conceding that there are natural warming and cooling cycles? What about hottest year eva stuff?

 

[Old Rocks]

We are in it right now, at least in recorded times.

 

[Old Rocks]

There's no warming. There's no real cooling. We had the cooling scare in the 70s and it turned out to be pretty much part of the cycle. No climate has changed for thousands of years. No desert has become alpine, no tropical climate has become moderate. That's climate.

What these scientists are trying to tell you is that something is happening that is NOT part of the cycle of warming and cooling. What these scientists are trying to tell you is that there are changes in the sun that will cause a Maunder's Minimum, which is INTENSE cold. The last time there was this kind of cold, the Thames in England froze solid. That's intense cold that makes our piddly Polar Vortex look like a week end in Miami.

It is fascinating that to this global warming religion, the sun does not exist as part of the dynamic of the climate!! That like saying Kim Kardasian's boobs aren't part of her allure.

These people are intellectually dishonest to the degree of astounding.


Scientists questioning the accuracy of IPCC climate projections
These scientists have said that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the next century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.

• David Bellamy, botanist.[14][15][16][17]
• Lennart Bengtsson, meteorologist, Reading University.[18][unreliable source?][19]
• Judith Curry, Professor and former chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology.[20][21][22][23]
• Freeman Dyson, professor emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences, Institute for Advanced Study; Fellow of the Royal Society [24][25]
• Steven E. Koonin, theoretical physicist and director of the Center for Urban Science and Progress at New York University[26][27]
• Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan emeritus professor of atmospheric science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences[28][29][30][31]
• Craig Loehle, ecologist and chief scientist at the National Council for Air and Stream Improvement.[32][33][34][35][36][37][38]
• Patrick Moore, former president of Greenpeace Canada[39][40][41]
• Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics Department at Stockholm University, former chairman of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999–2003)[42][43]
• Garth Paltridge, retired chief research scientist, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research and retired director of the Institute of the Antarctic Cooperative Research Centre, visiting fellow Australian National University[44][45]
• Denis Rancourt, former professor of physics at University of Ottawa, research scientist in condensed matter physics, and in environmental and soil science[46][47][48][49]
• Harrison Schmitt, geologist, Apollo 17 Astronaut, former U.S. Senator.[50]
• Peter Stilbs, professor of physical chemistry at Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm[51][52]
• Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London[53][54]
• Hendrik Tennekes, retired director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute [55][56]
• Anastasios Tsonis, distinguished professor at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee[57][58]
• Fritz Vahrenholt, German politician and energy executive with a doctorate in chemistry[59][60]

Scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes

Graph showing the ability with which a global climate model is able to reconstruct the historical temperature record, and the degree to which those temperature changes can be decomposed into various forcing factors. It shows the effects of five forcing factors: greenhouse gases, man-made sulfate emissions, solar variability, ozone changes, and volcanic emissions.[61]
These scientists have said that the observed warming is more likely to be attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

• Khabibullo Abdusamatov, astrophysicist at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences[62][63]
• Sallie Baliunas, retired astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[64][65][66]
• Timothy Ball, historical climatologist, and retired professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg[67][68][69]
• Robert M. Carter, former head of the school of earth sciences at James Cook University[70][71]
• Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[72][73]
• Chris de Freitas, associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland[74][75]
• David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester[76][77]
• Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University[78][79]
• William M. Gray, professor emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University[80][81]
• William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy; emeritus professor, Princeton University[82][83]
• Ole Humlum, professor of geology at the University of Oslo[84][85]
• Wibjörn Karlén, professor emeritus of geography and geology at the University of Stockholm.[86][87]
• William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology[88][89]
• David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware[90][91]
• Anthony Lupo, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Missouri[92][93]
• Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[94][95]
• Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.[96][97][98]
• Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of mining geology, the University of Adelaide.[99][100]
• Arthur B. Robinson, American politician, biochemist and former faculty member at the University of California, San Diego[101][102]
• Murry Salby, atmospheric scientist, former professor at Macquarie University and University of Colorado[103][104]
• Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University[105][106][107]
• Tom Segalstad, geologist; associate professor at University of Oslo[108][109]
• Nir Shaviv, professor of physics focusing on astrophysics and climate science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem[110][111]
• Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia[112][113][114][115]
• Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[116][117]
• Roy Spencer, meteorologist; principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville[118][119]
• Henrik Svensmark, physicist, Danish National Space Center[120][121]
• George H. Taylor, retired director of the Oregon Climate Service at Oregon State University[122][123]
• Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa[124][125]

Scientists arguing that the cause of global warming is unknown
These scientists have said that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural.

• Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and founding director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks.[126][127]
• Claude Allègre, French politician; geochemist, emeritus professor at Institute of Geophysics (Paris).[128][129]
• Robert Balling, a professor of geography at Arizona State University.[130][131]
• Pål Brekke, solar astrophycisist, senior advisor Norwegian Space Centre.[132][133]
• John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCC reports.[134][135][136]
• Petr Chylek, space and remote sensing sciences researcher, Los Alamos National Laboratory.[137][138]
• David Deming, geology professor at the University of Oklahoma.[139][140]
• Ivar Giaever, professor emeritus of physics at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and a Nobel laureate.[141][142]
• Vincent R. Gray, New Zealand physical chemist with expertise in coal ashes[143][144]
• Keith E. Idso, botanist, former adjunct professor of biology at Maricopa County Community College District and the vice president of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change[145][146]
• Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists.[147][148]

Scientists arguing that global warming will have few negative consequences
These scientists have said that projected rising temperatures will be of little impact or a net positive for society or the environment.

• Indur M. Goklany, science and technology policy analyst for the United States Department of the Interior[149][150][151]
• Craig D. Idso, faculty researcher, Office of Climatology, Arizona State University and founder of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change [152][153]
• Sherwood B. Idso, former research physicist, USDA Water Conservation Laboratory, and adjunct professor, Arizona State University[154][155]
• Patrick Michaels, senior fellow at the Cato Institute and retired research professor of environmental science at the University of Virginia[156][157]

List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia






But the bozo's are in here every day saying "the science is settled".


No its not.


Not even close



And if it is so settled, why are members of the AGW religion in here stripping their teeth with all the hysterical pushback?

I question the accuracy of the projections. You see, there were projections made for the Arcitic Ice, and they were way low. There were projections made for the rate of melt for the perma-frost, and they were way low. Rate of increase for temperature has plateaued, however it is still warming, and our warmest years are occurring with increasing frequency. So, the models are not accurate yet. However, the stupidity spewed by the deniers is not just failed predictions, but consists mainly of outright lies. Lies that are shortly going to be a very major liability politically.

 

[jc456]

There's no warming. There's no real cooling. We had the cooling scare in the 70s and it turned out to be pretty much part of the cycle. No climate has changed for thousands of years. No desert has become alpine, no tropical climate has become moderate. That's climate.

What these scientists are trying to tell you is that something is happening that is NOT part of the cycle of warming and cooling. What these scientists are trying to tell you is that there are changes in the sun that will cause a Maunder's Minimum, which is INTENSE cold. The last time there was this kind of cold, the Thames in England froze solid. That's intense cold that makes our piddly Polar Vortex look like a week end in Miami.

It is fascinating that to this global warming religion, the sun does not exist as part of the dynamic of the climate!! That like saying Kim Kardasian's boobs aren't part of her allure.

These people are intellectually dishonest to the degree of astounding.


Scientists questioning the accuracy of IPCC climate projections
These scientists have said that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the next century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.

• David Bellamy, botanist.[14][15][16][17]
• Lennart Bengtsson, meteorologist, Reading University.[18][unreliable source?][19]
• Judith Curry, Professor and former chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology.[20][21][22][23]
• Freeman Dyson, professor emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences, Institute for Advanced Study; Fellow of the Royal Society [24][25]
• Steven E. Koonin, theoretical physicist and director of the Center for Urban Science and Progress at New York University[26][27]
• Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan emeritus professor of atmospheric science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences[28][29][30][31]
• Craig Loehle, ecologist and chief scientist at the National Council for Air and Stream Improvement.[32][33][34][35][36][37][38]
• Patrick Moore, former president of Greenpeace Canada[39][40][41]
• Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics Department at Stockholm University, former chairman of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999–2003)[42][43]
• Garth Paltridge, retired chief research scientist, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research and retired director of the Institute of the Antarctic Cooperative Research Centre, visiting fellow Australian National University[44][45]
• Denis Rancourt, former professor of physics at University of Ottawa, research scientist in condensed matter physics, and in environmental and soil science[46][47][48][49]
• Harrison Schmitt, geologist, Apollo 17 Astronaut, former U.S. Senator.[50]
• Peter Stilbs, professor of physical chemistry at Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm[51][52]
• Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London[53][54]
• Hendrik Tennekes, retired director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute [55][56]
• Anastasios Tsonis, distinguished professor at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee[57][58]
• Fritz Vahrenholt, German politician and energy executive with a doctorate in chemistry[59][60]

Scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes

Graph showing the ability with which a global climate model is able to reconstruct the historical temperature record, and the degree to which those temperature changes can be decomposed into various forcing factors. It shows the effects of five forcing factors: greenhouse gases, man-made sulfate emissions, solar variability, ozone changes, and volcanic emissions.[61]
These scientists have said that the observed warming is more likely to be attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

• Khabibullo Abdusamatov, astrophysicist at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences[62][63]
• Sallie Baliunas, retired astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[64][65][66]
• Timothy Ball, historical climatologist, and retired professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg[67][68][69]
• Robert M. Carter, former head of the school of earth sciences at James Cook University[70][71]
• Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[72][73]
• Chris de Freitas, associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland[74][75]
• David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester[76][77]
• Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University[78][79]
• William M. Gray, professor emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University[80][81]
• William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy; emeritus professor, Princeton University[82][83]
• Ole Humlum, professor of geology at the University of Oslo[84][85]
• Wibjörn Karlén, professor emeritus of geography and geology at the University of Stockholm.[86][87]
• William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology[88][89]
• David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware[90][91]
• Anthony Lupo, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Missouri[92][93]
• Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[94][95]
• Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.[96][97][98]
• Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of mining geology, the University of Adelaide.[99][100]
• Arthur B. Robinson, American politician, biochemist and former faculty member at the University of California, San Diego[101][102]
• Murry Salby, atmospheric scientist, former professor at Macquarie University and University of Colorado[103][104]
• Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University[105][106][107]
• Tom Segalstad, geologist; associate professor at University of Oslo[108][109]
• Nir Shaviv, professor of physics focusing on astrophysics and climate science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem[110][111]
• Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia[112][113][114][115]
• Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[116][117]
• Roy Spencer, meteorologist; principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville[118][119]
• Henrik Svensmark, physicist, Danish National Space Center[120][121]
• George H. Taylor, retired director of the Oregon Climate Service at Oregon State University[122][123]
• Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa[124][125]

Scientists arguing that the cause of global warming is unknown
These scientists have said that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural.

• Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and founding director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks.[126][127]
• Claude Allègre, French politician; geochemist, emeritus professor at Institute of Geophysics (Paris).[128][129]
• Robert Balling, a professor of geography at Arizona State University.[130][131]
• Pål Brekke, solar astrophycisist, senior advisor Norwegian Space Centre.[132][133]
• John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCC reports.[134][135][136]
• Petr Chylek, space and remote sensing sciences researcher, Los Alamos National Laboratory.[137][138]
• David Deming, geology professor at the University of Oklahoma.[139][140]
• Ivar Giaever, professor emeritus of physics at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and a Nobel laureate.[141][142]
• Vincent R. Gray, New Zealand physical chemist with expertise in coal ashes[143][144]
• Keith E. Idso, botanist, former adjunct professor of biology at Maricopa County Community College District and the vice president of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change[145][146]
• Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists.[147][148]

Scientists arguing that global warming will have few negative consequences
These scientists have said that projected rising temperatures will be of little impact or a net positive for society or the environment.

• Indur M. Goklany, science and technology policy analyst for the United States Department of the Interior[149][150][151]
• Craig D. Idso, faculty researcher, Office of Climatology, Arizona State University and founder of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change [152][153]
• Sherwood B. Idso, former research physicist, USDA Water Conservation Laboratory, and adjunct professor, Arizona State University[154][155]
• Patrick Michaels, senior fellow at the Cato Institute and retired research professor of environmental science at the University of Virginia[156][157]

List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia






But the bozo's are in here every day saying "the science is settled".


No its not.


Not even close



And if it is so settled, why are members of the AGW religion in here stripping their teeth with all the hysterical pushback?

I question the accuracy of the projections. You see, there were projections made for the Arcitic Ice, and they were way low. There were projections made for the rate of melt for the perma-frost, and they were way low. Rate of increase for temperature has plateaued, however it is still warming, and our warmest years are occurring with increasing frequency. So, the models are not accurate yet. However, the stupidity spewed by the deniers is not just failed predictions, but consists mainly of outright lies. Lies that are shortly going to be a very major liability politically.

socks, just post up one model that has been correct since you've been on the planet. Just one.

 

[edthecynic]

Deniers have been predicting an Ice Age since the 1970s, but the most that ever happens is the warming stalls for a period of time and then the warming begins again exactly where the last warming cycle left off. We don't even get a cooling cycle back to the last cool point let alone an Ice Age, only a stall in the warming and then some more warming.

so you are conceding that there are natural warming and cooling cycles? What about hottest year eva stuff?

There hasn't been a cooling cycle in over 100 years. Why are there no more cooling cycles?

 

[Old Rocks]

There's no warming. There's no real cooling. We had the cooling scare in the 70s and it turned out to be pretty much part of the cycle. No climate has changed for thousands of years. No desert has become alpine, no tropical climate has become moderate. That's climate.

What these scientists are trying to tell you is that something is happening that is NOT part of the cycle of warming and cooling. What these scientists are trying to tell you is that there are changes in the sun that will cause a Maunder's Minimum, which is INTENSE cold. The last time there was this kind of cold, the Thames in England froze solid. That's intense cold that makes our piddly Polar Vortex look like a week end in Miami.

It is fascinating that to this global warming religion, the sun does not exist as part of the dynamic of the climate!! That like saying Kim Kardasian's boobs aren't part of her allure.

These people are intellectually dishonest to the degree of astounding.


Scientists questioning the accuracy of IPCC climate projections
These scientists have said that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the next century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.

• David Bellamy, botanist.[14][15][16][17]
• Lennart Bengtsson, meteorologist, Reading University.[18][unreliable source?][19]
• Judith Curry, Professor and former chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology.[20][21][22][23]
• Freeman Dyson, professor emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences, Institute for Advanced Study; Fellow of the Royal Society [24][25]
• Steven E. Koonin, theoretical physicist and director of the Center for Urban Science and Progress at New York University[26][27]
• Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan emeritus professor of atmospheric science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences[28][29][30][31]
• Craig Loehle, ecologist and chief scientist at the National Council for Air and Stream Improvement.[32][33][34][35][36][37][38]
• Patrick Moore, former president of Greenpeace Canada[39][40][41]
• Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics Department at Stockholm University, former chairman of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999–2003)[42][43]
• Garth Paltridge, retired chief research scientist, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research and retired director of the Institute of the Antarctic Cooperative Research Centre, visiting fellow Australian National University[44][45]
• Denis Rancourt, former professor of physics at University of Ottawa, research scientist in condensed matter physics, and in environmental and soil science[46][47][48][49]
• Harrison Schmitt, geologist, Apollo 17 Astronaut, former U.S. Senator.[50]
• Peter Stilbs, professor of physical chemistry at Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm[51][52]
• Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London[53][54]
• Hendrik Tennekes, retired director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute [55][56]
• Anastasios Tsonis, distinguished professor at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee[57][58]
• Fritz Vahrenholt, German politician and energy executive with a doctorate in chemistry[59][60]

Scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes

Graph showing the ability with which a global climate model is able to reconstruct the historical temperature record, and the degree to which those temperature changes can be decomposed into various forcing factors. It shows the effects of five forcing factors: greenhouse gases, man-made sulfate emissions, solar variability, ozone changes, and volcanic emissions.[61]
These scientists have said that the observed warming is more likely to be attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

• Khabibullo Abdusamatov, astrophysicist at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences[62][63]
• Sallie Baliunas, retired astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[64][65][66]
• Timothy Ball, historical climatologist, and retired professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg[67][68][69]
• Robert M. Carter, former head of the school of earth sciences at James Cook University[70][71]
• Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[72][73]
• Chris de Freitas, associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland[74][75]
• David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester[76][77]
• Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University[78][79]
• William M. Gray, professor emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University[80][81]
• William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy; emeritus professor, Princeton University[82][83]
• Ole Humlum, professor of geology at the University of Oslo[84][85]
• Wibjörn Karlén, professor emeritus of geography and geology at the University of Stockholm.[86][87]
• William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology[88][89]
• David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware[90][91]
• Anthony Lupo, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Missouri[92][93]
• Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[94][95]
• Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.[96][97][98]
• Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of mining geology, the University of Adelaide.[99][100]
• Arthur B. Robinson, American politician, biochemist and former faculty member at the University of California, San Diego[101][102]
• Murry Salby, atmospheric scientist, former professor at Macquarie University and University of Colorado[103][104]
• Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University[105][106][107]
• Tom Segalstad, geologist; associate professor at University of Oslo[108][109]
• Nir Shaviv, professor of physics focusing on astrophysics and climate science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem[110][111]
• Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia[112][113][114][115]
• Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[116][117]
• Roy Spencer, meteorologist; principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville[118][119]
• Henrik Svensmark, physicist, Danish National Space Center[120][121]
• George H. Taylor, retired director of the Oregon Climate Service at Oregon State University[122][123]
• Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa[124][125]

Scientists arguing that the cause of global warming is unknown
These scientists have said that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural.

• Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and founding director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks.[126][127]
• Claude Allègre, French politician; geochemist, emeritus professor at Institute of Geophysics (Paris).[128][129]
• Robert Balling, a professor of geography at Arizona State University.[130][131]
• Pål Brekke, solar astrophycisist, senior advisor Norwegian Space Centre.[132][133]
• John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCC reports.[134][135][136]
• Petr Chylek, space and remote sensing sciences researcher, Los Alamos National Laboratory.[137][138]
• David Deming, geology professor at the University of Oklahoma.[139][140]
• Ivar Giaever, professor emeritus of physics at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and a Nobel laureate.[141][142]
• Vincent R. Gray, New Zealand physical chemist with expertise in coal ashes[143][144]
• Keith E. Idso, botanist, former adjunct professor of biology at Maricopa County Community College District and the vice president of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change[145][146]
• Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists.[147][148]

Scientists arguing that global warming will have few negative consequences
These scientists have said that projected rising temperatures will be of little impact or a net positive for society or the environment.

• Indur M. Goklany, science and technology policy analyst for the United States Department of the Interior[149][150][151]
• Craig D. Idso, faculty researcher, Office of Climatology, Arizona State University and founder of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change [152][153]
• Sherwood B. Idso, former research physicist, USDA Water Conservation Laboratory, and adjunct professor, Arizona State University[154][155]
• Patrick Michaels, senior fellow at the Cato Institute and retired research professor of environmental science at the University of Virginia[156][157]

List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia






But the bozo's are in here every day saying "the science is settled".


No its not.


Not even close



And if it is so settled, why are members of the AGW religion in here stripping their teeth with all the hysterical pushback?

I question the accuracy of the projections. You see, there were projections made for the Arcitic Ice, and they were way low. There were projections made for the rate of melt for the perma-frost, and they were way low. Rate of increase for temperature has plateaued, however it is still warming, and our warmest years are occurring with increasing frequency. So, the models are not accurate yet. However, the stupidity spewed by the deniers is not just failed predictions, but consists mainly of outright lies. Lies that are shortly going to be a very major liability politically.

socks, just post up one model that has been correct since you've been on the planet. Just one.

pi r squared

 

[jc456]

There's no warming. There's no real cooling. We had the cooling scare in the 70s and it turned out to be pretty much part of the cycle. No climate has changed for thousands of years. No desert has become alpine, no tropical climate has become moderate. That's climate.

What these scientists are trying to tell you is that something is happening that is NOT part of the cycle of warming and cooling. What these scientists are trying to tell you is that there are changes in the sun that will cause a Maunder's Minimum, which is INTENSE cold. The last time there was this kind of cold, the Thames in England froze solid. That's intense cold that makes our piddly Polar Vortex look like a week end in Miami.

It is fascinating that to this global warming religion, the sun does not exist as part of the dynamic of the climate!! That like saying Kim Kardasian's boobs aren't part of her allure.

These people are intellectually dishonest to the degree of astounding.


Scientists questioning the accuracy of IPCC climate projections
These scientists have said that it is not possible to project global climate accurately enough to justify the ranges projected for temperature and sea-level rise over the next century. They may not conclude specifically that the current IPCC projections are either too high or too low, but that the projections are likely to be inaccurate due to inadequacies of current global climate modeling.

• David Bellamy, botanist.[14][15][16][17]
• Lennart Bengtsson, meteorologist, Reading University.[18][unreliable source?][19]
• Judith Curry, Professor and former chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology.[20][21][22][23]
• Freeman Dyson, professor emeritus of the School of Natural Sciences, Institute for Advanced Study; Fellow of the Royal Society [24][25]
• Steven E. Koonin, theoretical physicist and director of the Center for Urban Science and Progress at New York University[26][27]
• Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan emeritus professor of atmospheric science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and member of the National Academy of Sciences[28][29][30][31]
• Craig Loehle, ecologist and chief scientist at the National Council for Air and Stream Improvement.[32][33][34][35][36][37][38]
• Patrick Moore, former president of Greenpeace Canada[39][40][41]
• Nils-Axel Mörner, retired head of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics Department at Stockholm University, former chairman of the INQUA Commission on Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999–2003)[42][43]
• Garth Paltridge, retired chief research scientist, CSIRO Division of Atmospheric Research and retired director of the Institute of the Antarctic Cooperative Research Centre, visiting fellow Australian National University[44][45]
• Denis Rancourt, former professor of physics at University of Ottawa, research scientist in condensed matter physics, and in environmental and soil science[46][47][48][49]
• Harrison Schmitt, geologist, Apollo 17 Astronaut, former U.S. Senator.[50]
• Peter Stilbs, professor of physical chemistry at Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm[51][52]
• Philip Stott, professor emeritus of biogeography at the University of London[53][54]
• Hendrik Tennekes, retired director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute [55][56]
• Anastasios Tsonis, distinguished professor at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee[57][58]
• Fritz Vahrenholt, German politician and energy executive with a doctorate in chemistry[59][60]

Scientists arguing that global warming is primarily caused by natural processes

Graph showing the ability with which a global climate model is able to reconstruct the historical temperature record, and the degree to which those temperature changes can be decomposed into various forcing factors. It shows the effects of five forcing factors: greenhouse gases, man-made sulfate emissions, solar variability, ozone changes, and volcanic emissions.[61]
These scientists have said that the observed warming is more likely to be attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

• Khabibullo Abdusamatov, astrophysicist at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences[62][63]
• Sallie Baliunas, retired astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[64][65][66]
• Timothy Ball, historical climatologist, and retired professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg[67][68][69]
• Robert M. Carter, former head of the school of earth sciences at James Cook University[70][71]
• Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[72][73]
• Chris de Freitas, associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland[74][75]
• David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester[76][77]
• Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University[78][79]
• William M. Gray, professor emeritus and head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, Department of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University[80][81]
• William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy; emeritus professor, Princeton University[82][83]
• Ole Humlum, professor of geology at the University of Oslo[84][85]
• Wibjörn Karlén, professor emeritus of geography and geology at the University of Stockholm.[86][87]
• William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology[88][89]
• David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware[90][91]
• Anthony Lupo, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Missouri[92][93]
• Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[94][95]
• Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.[96][97][98]
• Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of mining geology, the University of Adelaide.[99][100]
• Arthur B. Robinson, American politician, biochemist and former faculty member at the University of California, San Diego[101][102]
• Murry Salby, atmospheric scientist, former professor at Macquarie University and University of Colorado[103][104]
• Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University[105][106][107]
• Tom Segalstad, geologist; associate professor at University of Oslo[108][109]
• Nir Shaviv, professor of physics focusing on astrophysics and climate science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem[110][111]
• Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia[112][113][114][115]
• Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[116][117]
• Roy Spencer, meteorologist; principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville[118][119]
• Henrik Svensmark, physicist, Danish National Space Center[120][121]
• George H. Taylor, retired director of the Oregon Climate Service at Oregon State University[122][123]
• Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa[124][125]

Scientists arguing that the cause of global warming is unknown
These scientists have said that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural.

• Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and founding director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks.[126][127]
• Claude Allègre, French politician; geochemist, emeritus professor at Institute of Geophysics (Paris).[128][129]
• Robert Balling, a professor of geography at Arizona State University.[130][131]
• Pål Brekke, solar astrophycisist, senior advisor Norwegian Space Centre.[132][133]
• John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCC reports.[134][135][136]
• Petr Chylek, space and remote sensing sciences researcher, Los Alamos National Laboratory.[137][138]
• David Deming, geology professor at the University of Oklahoma.[139][140]
• Ivar Giaever, professor emeritus of physics at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and a Nobel laureate.[141][142]
• Vincent R. Gray, New Zealand physical chemist with expertise in coal ashes[143][144]
• Keith E. Idso, botanist, former adjunct professor of biology at Maricopa County Community College District and the vice president of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change[145][146]
• Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists.[147][148]

Scientists arguing that global warming will have few negative consequences
These scientists have said that projected rising temperatures will be of little impact or a net positive for society or the environment.

• Indur M. Goklany, science and technology policy analyst for the United States Department of the Interior[149][150][151]
• Craig D. Idso, faculty researcher, Office of Climatology, Arizona State University and founder of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change [152][153]
• Sherwood B. Idso, former research physicist, USDA Water Conservation Laboratory, and adjunct professor, Arizona State University[154][155]
• Patrick Michaels, senior fellow at the Cato Institute and retired research professor of environmental science at the University of Virginia[156][157]

List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia






But the bozo's are in here every day saying "the science is settled".


No its not.


Not even close



And if it is so settled, why are members of the AGW religion in here stripping their teeth with all the hysterical pushback?

I question the accuracy of the projections. You see, there were projections made for the Arcitic Ice, and they were way low. There were projections made for the rate of melt for the perma-frost, and they were way low. Rate of increase for temperature has plateaued, however it is still warming, and our warmest years are occurring with increasing frequency. So, the models are not accurate yet. However, the stupidity spewed by the deniers is not just failed predictions, but consists mainly of outright lies. Lies that are shortly going to be a very major liability politically.

socks, just post up one model that has been correct since you've been on the planet. Just one.

pi r squared

ok, climate model, I thought that was apparent since it's in a climate thread, but I see nothing ever escapes your nuttyness.

 

[Old Rocks]

Pubs.GISS: Hansen et al. 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide

Hansen et al. 1981
Hansen, J., D. Johnson, A. Lacis, S. Lebedeff, P. Lee, D. Rind, and G. Russell, 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide. Science, 213, 957-966, doi:10.1126/science.213.4511.957.

The global temperature rose 0.2°C between the middle 1960s and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

Now there are several right there from over thirty years ago. The problem is that they were made for the end of this century, not for where we are right now. Made for a time when the CO2 level is higher than it is at present. But here we are already. 1998 took us by surprise, the opening of the Northwest Passage in 2007 took us by surprise. In other words, many aspects of the models are too conservative, the effects of the present levels of GHGs are exceeding the predictions.

 

[jc456]

Pubs.GISS: Hansen et al. 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide

Hansen et al. 1981
Hansen, J., D. Johnson, A. Lacis, S. Lebedeff, P. Lee, D. Rind, and G. Russell, 1981: Climate impact of increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide. Science, 213, 957-966, doi:10.1126/science.213.4511.957.

The global temperature rose 0.2°C between the middle 1960s and 1980, yielding a warming of 0.4°C in the past century. This temperature increase is consistent with the calculated effect due to measured increases of atmospheric carbon dioxide. Variations of volcanic aerosols and possibly solar luminosity appear to be primary causes of observed fluctuations about the mean trend of increasing temperature. It is shown that the anthropogenic carbon dioxide warming should emerge from the noise level of natural climate variability by the end of the century, and there is a high probability of warming in the 1980s. Potential effects on climate in the 21st century include the creation of drought-prone regions in North America and central Asia as part of a shifting of climatic zones, erosion of the West Antarctic ice sheet with a consequent worldwide rise in sea level, and opening of the fabled Northwest Passage.

Now there are several right there from over thirty years ago. The problem is that they were made for the end of this century, not for where we are right now. Made for a time when the CO2 level is higher than it is at present. But here we are already. 1998 took us by surprise, the opening of the Northwest Passage in 2007 took us by surprise. In other words, many aspects of the models are too conservative, the effects of the present levels of GHGs are exceeding the predictions.

how is that a proven model? you lost me, when it says that CO2 is responsible for the warming. See you haven't proven that yet, so posting up a model saying that, proves the model debunked.

 

[Old Rocks]

Oh my, got your ass handed to you again, so you change the subject. The subject was a model that predicted the present state of climate in the past. I gave you that. So you state that nobody proved that CO2 was responsible for the warming. Well, at least you have now admitted it has warmed significantly.

However, yes, they have proved that the GHGs are responsible for the warming. Here you are, stating that the sun is putting out less heat, but admitting that it is warmer. So if the sun is putting out less heat, and it is warmer, why?

There are two factors in the earths temperature at the surface, the amount of heat recieved from the sun, and the amount retained. So if the sun is giving us less heat, then we are retaining more. Now what would cause us to retain more? Now what is the definition of a GHG?

You fellows are the definition of stupidity.

 

[jc456]

Oh my, got your ass handed to you again, so you change the subject. The subject was a model that predicted the present state of climate in the past. I gave you that. So you state that nobody proved that CO2 was responsible for the warming. Well, at least you have now admitted it has warmed significantly.

However, yes, they have proved that the GHGs are responsible for the warming. Here you are, stating that the sun is putting out less heat, but admitting that it is warmer. So if the sun is putting out less heat, and it is warmer, why?

There are two factors in the earths temperature at the surface, the amount of heat recieved from the sun, and the amount retained. So if the sun is giving us less heat, then we are retaining more. Now what would cause us to retain more? Now what is the definition of a GHG?

You fellows are the definition of stupidity.

How did I change the subject? You posted up nothing that was factual.

And again, you can't prove CO2 heats up. you have zero evidence dude.

 

[Old Rocks]

Do you know what an absorption spectrum is, you dumb ass?