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Incidentally, it wasn't just the homophobia that got these two fools fired.
HGTV Picks Anti-Gay, Anti-Choice Extremist For New Reality TV Show | Right Wing Watch
What the announcement didn't mention is that at least one of the Benhams is not just a real estate dealer but also a dedicated right-wing activist in the mold of his father, Flip Benham, who has headed the abortion-clinic protest group Operation Save America ever since it split from the militant anti-choice group Operation Rescue.
As leader of OSA, Benham has condemned the interfaith Sandy Hook memorial, protested in front of mosques while shouting Jesus Hates Muslims and blamed the Aurora shooting on the Democratic Party, which he said promotes a culture of death.
He has also protested LGBT pride events, interrupted church services during a sermon by sodomite Episcopalian bishop Gene Robinson and was found guilty of stalking a Charlotte abortion doctor after passing out hundreds of wanted posters with the physician's name and photo on it. OSA* even blamed the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on abortion rights:
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Flip Benham? guilt by association now?
Those brothers should be condemned because they don't believe in abortion.
You're ignorant, Joe.....along with being a racist.
Incidentally, it wasn't just the homophobia that got these two fools fired.
HGTV Picks Anti-Gay, Anti-Choice Extremist For New Reality TV Show | Right Wing Watch
Flip Benham? guilt by association now?
Those brothers should be condemned because they don't believe in abortion.
You're ignorant, Joe.....along with being a racist.
nobody's condemning them.
They have every right to have their views.
They just don't have the right to a TV show and have sponsors and a network invest in their views.
Again, you wingnuts were the ones who insisted Martin Bashir get fired when he made vulgar comments about Sarah Palin making stupid comments about slavery.
I'm a conservative, but being conservative does not make me immune to doing research or looking for facts. The show was suffering in the ratings. Any normal TV station would pull a show like that. What the actors believe is irrelevant. What the network believes is also irrelevant. This is precisely why I can't stand the Republican Party, or the Democratic Party for that matter. People are too gullible; willing to go after the smell of blood, when the blood is on the knife slitting their proverbial throats.
Seriously, this is a business decision. That's all it is.
umm..the show was never aired.
So it wasn't. The point still remains.
Incidentally, it wasn't just the homophobia that got these two fools fired.
HGTV Picks Anti-Gay, Anti-Choice Extremist For New Reality TV Show | Right Wing Watch
Flip Benham? guilt by association now?
Those brothers should be condemned because they don't believe in abortion.
You're ignorant, Joe.....along with being a racist.
nobody's condemning them.
They have every right to have their views.
They just don't have the right to a TV show and have sponsors and a network invest in their views.
Again, you wingnuts were the ones who insisted Martin Bashir get fired when he made vulgar comments about Sarah Palin making stupid comments about slavery.
Christians hate the sin not the sinners. The same can't be said for the other side of the fence.
Well, you really haven't convinced us it's a "sin" yet.
You see, here's the thing i don't get with you homophobes. You seem awfully obsessed with what other people are doing that really isn't much of your business.
A puritan is someone who lives in mortal fear someone else might be enjoying himself.
Homosexuality isn't just the business of the homosexual. This is a dangerous sexual perversion mental abberation, that can spread to impressionable children. It also is disgusting to see 2 men kissing each other. Sickening enough to make one have to vomit. When I see something like that, I feel like going over there and kicking them out of the park, which is exactly what should happen.
umm..the show was never aired.
So it wasn't. The point still remains.
The point that you were trying to make, that it was suffering in the ratings didn't valid. The show never aired. Very seldom are these niche designer shows ratings grabbers. They are rerun for years.
We have moved beyond the merits of anyone and into the tyranny of the aggrieved.
So it wasn't. The point still remains.
The point that you were trying to make, that it was suffering in the ratings didn't valid. The show never aired. Very seldom are these niche designer shows ratings grabbers. They are rerun for years.
We have moved beyond the merits of anyone and into the tyranny of the aggrieved.
No, it isn't valid. But the point here is, it's business. I'm inclined to agree that HGTV isn't the government. It can do what it wants. Yes, what they did was wrong, yes those boys have the right to believe in what they want. I'm beginning to understand now that I should not be worried about what some TV network does. I don't even watch HGTV. But it's when the government engages in this kind of behavior that I should be. Make better sense?
Of course you have all the right in the world to boycott them. However for me, it is a non issue.
They have a right to it if the station wanted them to. Yes, It's the stations decision and they have a right to decide, not YOU not ME and NOT any ACTIVIST. But, for you to decide is pure BS, Joe, that's what those brothers are against....the activists.
I made no comment about Martin Bashir, unlike you I'm not ignorant.
Also, never made a comment about Obama's birth certificate. So try not to broadbrush like you have been doing in this thread.
Benham Brothers Speak Out About Being Fired From HGTV
omg! INSIDER 3:34 mins
A media firestorm has caused HGTV to fire the Benham brothers, who were supposed to host the new show "Flip It Forward." And they're claiming that they were let go because of their faith. The brothers are devout Christians who were hoping to turn their house-flipping experience into a hit show. David Benham can be heard making anti-gay remarks in videos online, and protested in front of abortion clinics last year. One of the brothers was called an anti-gay, anti-abortion extremist. But it seems like fans of HGTV aren't happy with the situation, causing #FlipThisDecision to be tweeted over a million times. "The Insider" spoke to the brothers about the situation. David said, "The gay agenda isn't forcing it down my throat, but what it is doing is it's demanding that I remain silent if I disagree with it." Check out this video to see more from the Benham Brothers, and tune in to "The Insider With Yahoo" for the latest in entertainment news.
Benham Brothers Speak Out About Being Fired From HGTV
omg! INSIDER 3:34 mins
A media firestorm has caused HGTV to fire the Benham brothers, who were supposed to host the new show "Flip It Forward." And they're claiming that they were let go because of their faith. The brothers are devout Christians who were hoping to turn their house-flipping experience into a hit show. David Benham can be heard making anti-gay remarks in videos online, and protested in front of abortion clinics last year. One of the brothers was called an anti-gay, anti-abortion extremist. But it seems like fans of HGTV aren't happy with the situation, causing #FlipThisDecision to be tweeted over a million times. "The Insider" spoke to the brothers about the situation. David said, "The gay agenda isn't forcing it down my throat, but what it is doing is it's demanding that I remain silent if I disagree with it." Check out this video to see more from the Benham Brothers, and tune in to "The Insider With Yahoo" for the latest in entertainment news.
https://celebrity.yahoo.com/video/benham-brothers-speak-being-fired-223837670.html
their tv station, their choice
as is the brother's choice....
As is the choice of millions of people to now no longer watch HGTV.
Oh I assure you the Adam and Steve channel will not suffer in any way.
Well, you really haven't convinced us it's a "sin" yet.
You see, here's the thing i don't get with you homophobes. You seem awfully obsessed with what other people are doing that really isn't much of your business.
A puritan is someone who lives in mortal fear someone else might be enjoying himself.
Homosexuality isn't just the business of the homosexual. This is a dangerous sexual perversion mental abberation, that can spread to impressionable children. It also is disgusting to see 2 men kissing each other. Sickening enough to make one have to vomit. When I see something like that, I feel like going over there and kicking them out of the park, which is exactly what should happen.
so your whole argument is people should live by what YOU think is icky. Really? Frankly, dude, you need to get over your hangups.
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That may be, but homosexuality is still mostly disapproved of, it's not considered a "norm" by any means, and is still considered threatening and annoying in American society.
Mostly disapproved of by whom?
Frankly, a majority supports gay marriage. Even larger majorities feel gays should not be discriminated against on the job, in housing or educational opportunities.
It's just a last few angry pockets of homophobes who think that their invisible sky fairy is offended.
Benham Brothers Speak Out About Being Fired From HGTV
omg! INSIDER 3:34 mins
A media firestorm has caused HGTV to fire the Benham brothers, who were supposed to host the new show "Flip It Forward." And they're claiming that they were let go because of their faith. The brothers are devout Christians who were hoping to turn their house-flipping experience into a hit show. David Benham can be heard making anti-gay remarks in videos online, and protested in front of abortion clinics last year. One of the brothers was called an anti-gay, anti-abortion extremist. But it seems like fans of HGTV aren't happy with the situation, causing #FlipThisDecision to be tweeted over a million times. "The Insider" spoke to the brothers about the situation. David said, "The gay agenda isn't forcing it down my throat, but what it is doing is it's demanding that I remain silent if I disagree with it." Check out this video to see more from the Benham Brothers, and tune in to "The Insider With Yahoo" for the latest in entertainment news.
https://celebrity.yahoo.com/video/benham-brothers-speak-being-fired-223837670.html
I don't care what people choose to do with their lives. BUT, that goes for both sides.
Stop the fascist bs.
This is democracy, not fascism.
Maps of State Laws & Policies | Resources | Human Rights Campaign
It is fascism caused by the forced democracy....This country was not founded to be a democracy. It was founded to be a constitutional republic......
From emotion AND intellect.Well, you really haven't convinced us it's a "sin" yet.
You see, here's the thing i don't get with you homophobes. You seem awfully obsessed with what other people are doing that really isn't much of your business.
A puritan is someone who lives in mortal fear someone else might be enjoying himself.
Homosexuality isn't just the business of the homosexual. This is a dangerous sexual perversion mental abberation, that can spread to impressionable children. It also is disgusting to see 2 men kissing each other. Sickening enough to make one have to vomit. When I see something like that, I feel like going over there and kicking them out of the park, which is exactly what should happen.
Argument from emotion. Next...
From emotion AND intellect.Homosexuality isn't just the business of the homosexual. This is a dangerous sexual perversion mental abberation, that can spread to impressionable children. It also is disgusting to see 2 men kissing each other. Sickening enough to make one have to vomit. When I see something like that, I feel like going over there and kicking them out of the park, which is exactly what should happen.
Argument from emotion. Next...
God makes the rules not little man!!!!====
First Amendment jurisprudence and the right to free speech concern the relationship between the citizen and his government only, where the Constitution places limits on the state when it seeks to restrict speech or other forms of expression.
First Amendment jurisprudence does not apply to the private sector, to private individuals or private organizations, HGTVs termination of the agreement with the brothers therefore does not manifest a free speech violation, there is no free speech issue because there is no government involvement.
Pruneyard Shopping Center v. Robins
No, PruneYard Shopping Center v. Robins concerned 5th Amendment Taking Clause jurisprudence, not the First Amendment or the right to free speech.
And it concerned the relationship between the government, in this case the state of California, and residents of that state, the private property owners, where the owners of the shopping center filed suit to challenge the constitutionality of the measure allowing students access to their property to solicit signatures for their petition:
The determination of whether a state law unlawfully infringes a landowners property in violation of the taking clause requires an examination of whether the restriction on private property forces some people alone to bear public burdens which, in all fairness and justice, should be born by the public as a whole. This includes inquiring into such factors as the character of the governmental action, its economic impact, and its interference with reasonable investment-backed expectations.
PruneYard Shopping Center v. Robins | Casebriefs
Again, the rights enshrined in the Bill of Rights pertain solely to the relationship between government and those governed; where conflicts between two private parties are not subject to Constitutional restrictions.
HGTV is not a government, it lacks the authority to exact punitive measures against individuals it seeks to silence, as a government is able to do. That is indeed the purpose of the Bill of Rights, to act as a countermeasure against the authority of the state, allowing the people to seek relief in the courts to address government overreach when ones civil liberties are in fact violated.
This is what the owners of the PruneYard Shopping Center did, when they believed the California measure violated their 5th Amendment right to do with their private property as they saw fit.
