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Christians hate the sin not the sinners. The same can't be said for the other side of the fence.
Nonsense.
Not when Christians seek to deny gay Americans their civil liberties, as did the brothers when they worked to implement North Carolinas Amendment One.
Benham also discusses the fight for North Carolina's Amendment One, which involved a ban on same-sex marriage and civil unions in the state constitution.
Benham brothers lose HGTV show after 'anti-gay' remarks - CNN.com
This is America. Land of ignorant conservatives, where you and others on the right continue to fail to grasp the simple fact that this is not a free speech issue; you are free to express your hate in public absent any interference by the state.
How is it not a free speech issue ?
First Amendment jurisprudence and the right to free speech concern the relationship between the citizen and his government only, where the Constitution places limits on the state when it seeks to restrict speech or other forms of expression.
First Amendment jurisprudence does not apply to the private sector, to private individuals or private organizations, HGTVs termination of the agreement with the brothers therefore does not manifest a free speech violation, there is no free speech issue because there is no government involvement.
Christians hate the sin not the sinners. The same can't be said for the other side of the fence.
Nonsense.
Not when Christians seek to deny gay Americans their civil liberties, as did the brothers when they worked to implement North Carolinas Amendment One.
Benham also discusses the fight for North Carolina's Amendment One, which involved a ban on same-sex marriage and civil unions in the state constitution.
Benham brothers lose HGTV show after 'anti-gay' remarks - CNN.com
Working on behalf of North Carolina's Amendment One, which involved a ban on same-sex marriage, may be denying queers a civil liberty, but that is the state deciding that this civil liberty SHOULD be denied. Same as denying drivers' licenses to those who have records of driving recklessly. Same as denying a license for a lifeguard job to someone who can't swim. They don't meet the qualification for it.
Nonsense.
Not when Christians seek to deny gay Americans their civil liberties, as did the brothers when they worked to implement North Carolina’s Amendment One.
Working on behalf of North Carolina's Amendment One, which involved a ban on same-sex marriage, may be denying queers a civil liberty, but that is the state deciding that this civil liberty SHOULD be denied. Same as denying drivers' licenses to those who have records of driving recklessly. Same as denying a license for a lifeguard job to someone who can't swim. They don't meet the qualification for it.
Incorrect.
Same-sex couples are indeed qualified to participate in the marriage law of all 50 states.
States consequently lack the authority to deny American citizens their civil liberties, as one is a citizen of the United States first and foremost, and a resident of his respective state subordinate to that. And the rights of American citizens are safeguarded by the Federal Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, trumping the laws of states and local jurisdictions in accordance with Article VI of the Constitution.
Moreover, unlike the right of same-sex couples to equal protection of the law, there is no right to be granted a license to drive, or to be a lifeguard.
I don't care what people choose to do with their lives. BUT, that goes for both sides.
Stop the fascist bs.
How is it not a free speech issue ?
First Amendment jurisprudence and the right to free speech concern the relationship between the citizen and his government only, where the Constitution places limits on the state when it seeks to restrict speech or other forms of expression.
First Amendment jurisprudence does not apply to the private sector, to private individuals or private organizations, HGTVs termination of the agreement with the brothers therefore does not manifest a free speech violation, there is no free speech issue because there is no government involvement.
Pruneyard Shopping Center v. Robins
The determination of whether a state law unlawfully infringes a landowners property in violation of the taking clause requires an examination of whether the restriction on private property forces some people alone to bear public burdens which, in all fairness and justice, should be born by the public as a whole. This includes inquiring into such factors as the character of the governmental action, its economic impact, and its interference with reasonable investment-backed expectations.
PruneYard Shopping Center v. Robins | Casebriefs
Working on behalf of North Carolina's Amendment One, which involved a ban on same-sex marriage, may be denying queers a civil liberty, but that is the state deciding that this civil liberty SHOULD be denied. Same as denying drivers' licenses to those who have records of driving recklessly. Same as denying a license for a lifeguard job to someone who can't swim. They don't meet the qualification for it.
Incorrect.
Same-sex couples are indeed qualified to participate in the marriage law of all 50 states.
States consequently lack the authority to deny American citizens their civil liberties, as one is a citizen of the United States first and foremost, and a resident of his respective state subordinate to that. And the rights of American citizens are safeguarded by the Federal Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, trumping the laws of states and local jurisdictions in accordance with Article VI of the Constitution.
Moreover, unlike the right of same-sex couples to equal protection of the law, there is no right to be granted a license to drive, or to be a lifeguard.
Same-sex couples DO NOT HAVE equal protection of the law.
When sexuality finds overt expression in intimate conduct with another person, the conduct can be but one element in a personal bond that is more enduring. The liberty protected by the Constitution allows homosexual persons the right to make this choice.
Equality of treatment and the due process right to demand respect for conduct protected by the substantive guarantee of liberty are linked in important respects, and a decision on the latter point advances both interests. If protected conduct is made criminal and the law which does so remains unexamined for its substantive validity, its stigma might remain even if it were not enforceable as drawn for equal protection reasons. When homosexual conduct is made criminal by the law of the State, that declaration in and of itself is an invitation to subject homosexual persons to discrimination both in the public and in the private spheres.
LAWRENCE V. TEXAS
I don't care what people choose to do with their lives. BUT, that goes for both sides.
Stop the fascist bs.
This is democracy, not fascism.
Maps of State Laws & Policies | Resources | Human Rights Campaign
I don't care what people choose to do with their lives. BUT, that goes for both sides.
Stop the fascist bs.
This is democracy, not fascism.
Maps of State Laws & Policies | Resources | Human Rights Campaign
The United States is a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy or fascist state, where citizens of the Republic are subject solely to the rule of law, not men; as men are incapable of ruling justly state measures denying same-sex couples access to marriage law is proof of that.
And in our Republic ones civil liberties are not subject to majority rule, as the majority lacks the authority to determine who will or will not have his civil liberties.
their tv station, their choice
as is the brother's choice....
As is the choice of millions of people to now no longer watch HGTV.
I'm a conservative, but being conservative does not make me immune to doing research or looking for facts. The show was suffering in the ratings. Any normal TV station would pull a show like that. What the actors believe is irrelevant. What the network believes is also irrelevant. This is precisely why I can't stand the Republican Party, or the Democratic Party for that matter. People are too gullible; willing to go after the smell of blood, when the blood is on the knife slitting their proverbial throats.
Seriously, this is a business decision. That's all it is.
Christians hate the sin not the sinners. The same can't be said for the other side of the fence.
Well, you really haven't convinced us it's a "sin" yet.
You see, here's the thing i don't get with you homophobes. You seem awfully obsessed with what other people are doing that really isn't much of your business.
A puritan is someone who lives in mortal fear someone else might be enjoying himself.
Homosexuality isn't just the business of the homosexual. This is a dangerous sexual perversion mental abberation, that can spread to impressionable children. It also is disgusting to see 2 men kissing each other. Sickening enough to make one have to vomit. When I see something like that, I feel like going over there and kicking them out of the park, which is exactly what should happen.
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That may be, but homosexuality is still mostly disapproved of, it's not considered a "norm" by any means, and is still considered threatening and annoying in American society.
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Fact....you're showing your ignorance, get out of whatever echo chamber your in.
You really don't have a clue with the actual facts.
Fact....you're a racist.
What the announcement didn't mention is that at least one of the Benhams is not just a real estate dealer but also a dedicated right-wing activist in the mold of his father, Flip Benham, who has headed the abortion-clinic protest group Operation Save America ever since it split from the militant anti-choice group Operation Rescue.
As leader of OSA, Benham has condemned the interfaith Sandy Hook memorial, protested in front of mosques while shouting “Jesus Hates Muslims” and blamed the Aurora shooting on the Democratic Party, which he said promotes a “culture of death.”
He has also protested LGBT pride events, interrupted church services during a sermon by “sodomite Episcopalian bishop” Gene Robinson and was found “guilty of stalking a Charlotte abortion doctor after passing out hundreds of ‘wanted’ posters with the physician's name and photo on it.” OSA* even blamed the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on abortion rights:
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I don't care what people choose to do with their lives. BUT, that goes for both sides.
Stop the fascist bs.
This is democracy, not fascism.
Maps of State Laws & Policies | Resources | Human Rights Campaign
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Fact....you're showing your ignorance, get out of whatever echo chamber your in.
You really don't have a clue with the actual facts.
Fact....you're a racist.
Awww, "Echo Chamber'. Did you learn a new phrase today?
Religion isn't a race, and I mock all religions. Of course, if your religion is particularly retarded, it will get mocked a bit more.
You know why I support gay rights? Just to piss the religious assholes off.
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Fact....you're showing your ignorance, get out of whatever echo chamber your in.
You really don't have a clue with the actual facts.
Fact....you're a racist.
Awww, "Echo Chamber'. Did you learn a new phrase today?
Religion isn't a race, and I mock all religions. Of course, if your religion is particularly retarded, it will get mocked a bit more.
You know why I support gay rights? Just to piss the religious assholes off.
You still don't know the facts.
With the brothers, it wasn't about gay, being gay, or the gay community, it's about the gay agenda (the activists).
The activists that try and silence those who disagree any opposing thoughts.
I think this thread brought out exactly what they're talking about.
As far as your view on religion.......satan is proud of you.
Incidentally, it wasn't just the homophobia that got these two fools fired.
HGTV Picks Anti-Gay, Anti-Choice Extremist For New Reality TV Show | Right Wing Watch
What the announcement didn't mention is that at least one of the Benhams is not just a real estate dealer but also a dedicated right-wing activist in the mold of his father, Flip Benham, who has headed the abortion-clinic protest group Operation Save America ever since it split from the militant anti-choice group Operation Rescue.
As leader of OSA, Benham has condemned the interfaith Sandy Hook memorial, protested in front of mosques while shouting Jesus Hates Muslims and blamed the Aurora shooting on the Democratic Party, which he said promotes a culture of death.
He has also protested LGBT pride events, interrupted church services during a sermon by sodomite Episcopalian bishop Gene Robinson and was found guilty of stalking a Charlotte abortion doctor after passing out hundreds of wanted posters with the physician's name and photo on it. OSA* even blamed the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on abortion rights:
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