BUILD THE WALL. I don't give a damn who pays for it. Me, you or the man on the moon. Build it.

[dblack]

It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.

There is another difference.

East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.

Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.

The difference is a HUGE one.

Our OWN people can come and go as they please.

You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.

( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )

Yep, there is a yuge difference. That's what makes it so screwy. We rightly condemned the East German government for building the Berlin Wall. Would we have cheered if the West Germans had built it instead, to keep the East Germans out?

 

[BrokeLoser]

It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.

There is another difference.

East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.

Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.

The difference is a HUGE one.

Our OWN people can come and go as they please.

You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.

( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )

Yep, there is a yuge difference. That's what makes it so screwy. We rightly condemned the East German government for building the Berlin Wall. Would we have cheered if the West Germans had built it instead, to keep the East Germans out?

We would have cheered for the country saving 113 billion per year by building a wall...simple arithmetic bud.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.

There is another difference.

East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.

Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.

The difference is a HUGE one.

Our OWN people can come and go as they please.

You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.

( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )

Except as I posted before, the official rationale from East Germany in building the wall was to keep out fascists. In other words, they were saying the same thing Trump is saying now.

 

[Indeependent]

It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.

There is another difference.

East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.

Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.

The difference is a HUGE one.

Our OWN people can come and go as they please.

You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.

( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )

Yep, there is a yuge difference. That's what makes it so screwy. We rightly condemned the East German government for building the Berlin Wall. Would we have cheered if the West Germans had built it instead, to keep the East Germans out?

We would have cheered for the country saving 113 billion per year by building a wall...simple arithmetic bud.

DBlack is a Libertarian.

 

[Indeependent]

It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.

There is another difference.

East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.

Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.

The difference is a HUGE one.

Our OWN people can come and go as they please.

You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.

( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )

Except as I posted before, the official rationale from East Germany in building the wall was to keep out fascists. In other words, they were saying the same thing Trump is saying now.

Link?

 

[dblack]

"But, ... Brawndo's got what plants crave!"

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.

There is another difference.

East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.

Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.

The difference is a HUGE one.

Our OWN people can come and go as they please.

You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.

( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )

Except as I posted before, the official rationale from East Germany in building the wall was to keep out fascists. In other words, they were saying the same thing Trump is saying now.

Link?

The Eastern Bloc claimed that the Wall was erected to protect its population from fascist elements conspiring to prevent the "will of the people" in building a socialist state in East Germany. In practice, the Wall served to prevent the massive emigration and defection that had marked East Germany and the communist Eastern Bloc during the post-World War II period.

The Berlin Wall was officially referred to as the "Anti-Fascist Protective Wall" (German: Antifaschistischer Schutzwall) by GDR authorities, implying that the NATO countries and West Germany in particular were considered equal to "fascists" by GDR propaganda.

The Berlin Wall

There's nothing new under the sun.

 

[Indeependent]

It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.

There is another difference.

East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.

Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.

The difference is a HUGE one.

Our OWN people can come and go as they please.

You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.

( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )

Except as I posted before, the official rationale from East Germany in building the wall was to keep out fascists. In other words, they were saying the same thing Trump is saying now.

Link?

The Eastern Bloc claimed that the Wall was erected to protect its population from fascist elements conspiring to prevent the "will of the people" in building a socialist state in East Germany. In practice, the Wall served to prevent the massive emigration and defection that had marked East Germany and the communist Eastern Bloc during the post-World War II period.

The Berlin Wall was officially referred to as the "Anti-Fascist Protective Wall" (German: Antifaschistischer Schutzwall) by GDR authorities, implying that the NATO countries and West Germany in particular were considered equal to "fascists" by GDR propaganda.

The Berlin Wall

There's nothing new under the sun.

Are you naturally stupid or are you trying and succeeding?
Or is someone in your family taking away an American's job?

 

[dblack]

It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.

There is another difference.

East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.

Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.

The difference is a HUGE one.

Our OWN people can come and go as they please.

You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.

( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )

Except as I posted before, the official rationale from East Germany in building the wall was to keep out fascists. In other words, they were saying the same thing Trump is saying now.

Link?

The Eastern Bloc claimed that the Wall was erected to protect its population from fascist elements conspiring to prevent the "will of the people" in building a socialist state in East Germany. In practice, the Wall served to prevent the massive emigration and defection that had marked East Germany and the communist Eastern Bloc during the post-World War II period.

The Berlin Wall was officially referred to as the "Anti-Fascist Protective Wall" (German: Antifaschistischer Schutzwall) by GDR authorities, implying that the NATO countries and West Germany in particular were considered equal to "fascists" by GDR propaganda.

The Berlin Wall

There's nothing new under the sun.

Fear and ignorance doesn't always take the day. But it's the safer bet.

 

[Indeependent]

It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.

There is another difference.

East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.

Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.

The difference is a HUGE one.

Our OWN people can come and go as they please.

You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.

( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )

Except as I posted before, the official rationale from East Germany in building the wall was to keep out fascists. In other words, they were saying the same thing Trump is saying now.

Link?

The Eastern Bloc claimed that the Wall was erected to protect its population from fascist elements conspiring to prevent the "will of the people" in building a socialist state in East Germany. In practice, the Wall served to prevent the massive emigration and defection that had marked East Germany and the communist Eastern Bloc during the post-World War II period.

The Berlin Wall was officially referred to as the "Anti-Fascist Protective Wall" (German: Antifaschistischer Schutzwall) by GDR authorities, implying that the NATO countries and West Germany in particular were considered equal to "fascists" by GDR propaganda.

The Berlin Wall

There's nothing new under the sun.

Fear and ignorance doesn't always take the day. But it's the safer bet.

Actually, it's under and unemployment that's doing it.

 

[Flopper]

Building Hadrian's Trump's Wall is sheer stupidity...

Especially if you are not going to permanently deploy an entire Legion brigade of Border Patrol guards to interdict those who go over it or tunnel under it or blast through it...

It's not just about building The Wall...

It's also... even MORE... about SUSTAINABILITY over the course of decades, and effectiveness in accomplishing its goals...

(a.k.a. getting sufficient bang-for-the-buck... a.k.a. good stewardship)...

Think, people... think... and do so strategically, and long-term... not just the short-term tactical (bumper-sticker-slogan caliber) solution that a Wall represents...

You build The Wall, and THEN what?

You spend the next 10 or 20 or 50 years, playing Whack-A-Mole with the thousand-and-one holes cut or blasted into the thing or the ladders thrown over it, across 2,000 miles.

And, in the end, it doesn't work, after all, and you've wasted 100 times more time and money than it originally took to build The Goddamned Wall in the first place.

Is that good stewardship of the taxpayers' money? Is that good stewardship of the Republic's political capital and goodwill amongst its neighbors?

Not if it results in decades of Whack-A-Mole and ultimate failure, it's not.

C'mon, folks, this isn't rocket science.

Want to get rid of the present Invasion Force of 11-12,000,000 Illegal Aliens?

Make 'em want to leave, under their own power, and at their own expense, without us spending a dime on deportations.

Want to prevent FUTURE waves of Invaders?

Establish conditions sufficiently onerous - financially and socially - to Illegal Aliens, so that they lose interest in coming here, and decide not to bother trying.

How?

1. Nobody works in this country, unless they are a citizen or legal resident; metaphorically crucify any employer who fails to check both incoming and existing employees

2. Nobody buys or leases or rents a residence or real estate (house, townhome, condo, apartment, room, whatever) unless... same mechanism and penalties

3. Nobody buys or leases a vehicle (car, truck, motorcycle, boat, plane, whatever) unless... same mechanism and penalties

4. Nobody opens or maintains a banking or other financial account on-shore unless... ditto re: mechanisms and penalties.

5. Nobody is allowed to wire money out of the country unless... ditto.

6. Nobody is allowed to enroll-in or attend any school or university unless... ditto

7. Nobody is allowed to receive taxpayer-funded social or welfare benefits unless... ditto

8. Nobody is allowed to receive any medical services except for lightweight first-aid or profound life-saving services unless... ditto

There is a price.

That price is a National ID Card standard (mag-stripe and/or embedded chip) which all 50 States would be obliged to conform to, to facilitate interstate commerce and travel.

If you want to do or receive anything in the Laundry List 1-8 (above), you must present your ID card for verification prior to the completion of the transaction or service.

We would need to create a nationwide authentication/validation system similar to those used when somebody runs a credit card prior to completing a sale.

To those who fret about a National ID Card standard...

Even if it's issued by individual States - hell, that's already kinda-sorta happening, every time a merchant runs your credit card, isn't it?

The technology has been there for decades.

And the government would have to pick up the tab for not only the centralized database system but also the state-level start-up projects, and commercial pilot projects.

It would cost billions.

But it seems likely that it would be an order-of-magnitude less expensive than Hadrian's Trump's Wall.

And it would sure-as-hell be cheaper to SUSTAIN over several decades.

And it would be one helluva-lot more EFFECTIVE and would result in a myriad of side-benefits, with respect to authentication.

It might require that a new and Conservative -leaning Supreme Court overturn one or two of its old rulings related to Illegals using our schools and medical facilities, but, given the likely changes in the composition of the Court, both this year and in the near future, that should not present much of an obstacle.

It would also require the rescission of a few statutes and the crafting of a few others, that would stand the test of scrutiny by a new and Conservative SCOTUS. No problem.

Imagine... if you're an Illegal Alien, and you can't get a job, or buy or rent a house or apartment or car or hold a bank account or wire money home or any of the rest of the things we see on the list 1-8 above...

You're not going to hang around...

You're going to pack your bags, scoop-up the wife and kiddies, and get the hell outta Dodge while the getting is still good, at your own expense, and that, damned quick...

You'll also know that there's no point in coming back without permission... no point in sneaking back across the border... no point in overstaying your visa... you won't bother.

Same goes for others who were thinking about trying to sneak in or obtain a visa and then over-stay... they won't bother... there will be no point in even trying.

It won't even piss off the neighbors all that much; it's one helluva lot more sensible and one helluva lot less insulting than putting-up such a barrier...

And all for a price one helluva lot cheaper than some stupid Hadrian's Trump's Wall that isn't going to work anyway.

Think, people... THINK !!!

You should follow your own advice. The wall is "PART" of the whole solution.

Think.......try it sometime.

Every goal that you have in-mind can be accomplished without The Wall, and for much less money and fuss.

Then the wall is no cause for concern. If it will do nothing, then you have no reason to oppose it.

Oh, the wall will do a lot, most of it bad. It will create major problems concerning water rights, become and environmental and human rights disaster and an eye sore for many small towns and villages on both sides of the boarder.

I doubt Trump will be so foolish as to build a wall in very remote areas. Border walls work in densely populated areas such as Israel's wall in the West Bank where slowing down a person trying to illegally enter by five or 10 minutes can make a difference to border patrol. But when the migrant trying to enter is traveling over remote mountains and deserts for three days, using a fence or wall to slow them down by a few minutes doesn't have the same effect. In fact, it borders on the trivial.

The number of illegal crossings a day over the 2000 mile boarder average out to be one person a day for every 4 miles. However most the crossing are not in remote areas. In some places where there will be tens of millions of dollars in walls, there would not be an attempted crossing once a month.

 

[Mr Natural]

It's a stupid idea

 

[oreo]

It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.

There is another difference.

East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.

Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.

The difference is a HUGE one.

Our OWN people can come and go as they please.

You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.

( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )

Yep, there is a yuge difference. That's what makes it so screwy. We rightly condemned the East German government for building the Berlin Wall. Would we have cheered if the West Germans had built it instead, to keep the East Germans out?

We would have cheered for the country saving 113 billion per year by building a wall...simple arithmetic bud.

You're not saving a penny--you're WASTING billions and that's the POINT.

Border patrol agent explores newly discovered US-Mexico drug tunnel with GoPro camera

This is an 800 yard tunnel they found, after years of use that went right into San Diego. This tunnel was built to avoid a WALL. Drug lords will spend millions to build a tunnel. That's their bread and butter and they're going to protect it, and they'll spend whatever it takes to get it done.

If it's something they can SEE, they can and will compromise it. Motion electronic detectors, that they can't see, more border patrol stations and border patrol will stop it.

As far as the wall itself it can also be easily compromised. There's holes in walls & fences down there already that are big enough to drive trucks through.

It's clear none of you have ever been to the border. Even the people who live along the border & deal with this on a daily basis will tell you that a WALL is ridiculous.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Building Hadrian's Trump's Wall is sheer stupidity...

Especially if you are not going to permanently deploy an entire Legion brigade of Border Patrol guards to interdict those who go over it or tunnel under it or blast through it...

It's not just about building The Wall...

It's also... even MORE... about SUSTAINABILITY over the course of decades, and effectiveness in accomplishing its goals...

(a.k.a. getting sufficient bang-for-the-buck... a.k.a. good stewardship)...

Think, people... think... and do so strategically, and long-term... not just the short-term tactical (bumper-sticker-slogan caliber) solution that a Wall represents...

You build The Wall, and THEN what?

You spend the next 10 or 20 or 50 years, playing Whack-A-Mole with the thousand-and-one holes cut or blasted into the thing or the ladders thrown over it, across 2,000 miles.

And, in the end, it doesn't work, after all, and you've wasted 100 times more time and money than it originally took to build The Goddamned Wall in the first place.

Is that good stewardship of the taxpayers' money? Is that good stewardship of the Republic's political capital and goodwill amongst its neighbors?

Not if it results in decades of Whack-A-Mole and ultimate failure, it's not.

C'mon, folks, this isn't rocket science.

Want to get rid of the present Invasion Force of 11-12,000,000 Illegal Aliens?

Make 'em want to leave, under their own power, and at their own expense, without us spending a dime on deportations.

Want to prevent FUTURE waves of Invaders?

Establish conditions sufficiently onerous - financially and socially - to Illegal Aliens, so that they lose interest in coming here, and decide not to bother trying.

How?

1. Nobody works in this country, unless they are a citizen or legal resident; metaphorically crucify any employer who fails to check both incoming and existing employees

2. Nobody buys or leases or rents a residence or real estate (house, townhome, condo, apartment, room, whatever) unless... same mechanism and penalties

3. Nobody buys or leases a vehicle (car, truck, motorcycle, boat, plane, whatever) unless... same mechanism and penalties

4. Nobody opens or maintains a banking or other financial account on-shore unless... ditto re: mechanisms and penalties.

5. Nobody is allowed to wire money out of the country unless... ditto.

6. Nobody is allowed to enroll-in or attend any school or university unless... ditto

7. Nobody is allowed to receive taxpayer-funded social or welfare benefits unless... ditto

8. Nobody is allowed to receive any medical services except for lightweight first-aid or profound life-saving services unless... ditto

There is a price.

That price is a National ID Card standard (mag-stripe and/or embedded chip) which all 50 States would be obliged to conform to, to facilitate interstate commerce and travel.

If you want to do or receive anything in the Laundry List 1-8 (above), you must present your ID card for verification prior to the completion of the transaction or service.

We would need to create a nationwide authentication/validation system similar to those used when somebody runs a credit card prior to completing a sale.

To those who fret about a National ID Card standard...

Even if it's issued by individual States - hell, that's already kinda-sorta happening, every time a merchant runs your credit card, isn't it?

The technology has been there for decades.

And the government would have to pick up the tab for not only the centralized database system but also the state-level start-up projects, and commercial pilot projects.

It would cost billions.

But it seems likely that it would be an order-of-magnitude less expensive than Hadrian's Trump's Wall.

And it would sure-as-hell be cheaper to SUSTAIN over several decades.

And it would be one helluva-lot more EFFECTIVE and would result in a myriad of side-benefits, with respect to authentication.

It might require that a new and Conservative -leaning Supreme Court overturn one or two of its old rulings related to Illegals using our schools and medical facilities, but, given the likely changes in the composition of the Court, both this year and in the near future, that should not present much of an obstacle.

It would also require the rescission of a few statutes and the crafting of a few others, that would stand the test of scrutiny by a new and Conservative SCOTUS. No problem.

Imagine... if you're an Illegal Alien, and you can't get a job, or buy or rent a house or apartment or car or hold a bank account or wire money home or any of the rest of the things we see on the list 1-8 above...

You're not going to hang around...

You're going to pack your bags, scoop-up the wife and kiddies, and get the hell outta Dodge while the getting is still good, at your own expense, and that, damned quick...

You'll also know that there's no point in coming back without permission... no point in sneaking back across the border... no point in overstaying your visa... you won't bother.

Same goes for others who were thinking about trying to sneak in or obtain a visa and then over-stay... they won't bother... there will be no point in even trying.

It won't even piss off the neighbors all that much; it's one helluva lot more sensible and one helluva lot less insulting than putting-up such a barrier...

And all for a price one helluva lot cheaper than some stupid Hadrian's Trump's Wall that isn't going to work anyway.

Think, people... THINK !!!

You should follow your own advice. The wall is "PART" of the whole solution.

Think.......try it sometime.

Every goal that you have in-mind can be accomplished without The Wall, and for much less money and fuss.

Then the wall is no cause for concern. If it will do nothing, then you have no reason to oppose it.

Oh, the wall will do a lot, most of it bad. It will create major problems concerning water rights, become and environmental and human rights disaster and an eye sore for many small towns and villages on both sides of the boarder.

I doubt Trump will be so foolish as to build a wall in very remote areas. Border walls work in densely populated areas such as Israel's wall in the West Bank where slowing down a person trying to illegally enter by five or 10 minutes can make a difference to border patrol. But when the migrant trying to enter is traveling over remote mountains and deserts for three days, using a fence or wall to slow them down by a few minutes doesn't have the same effect. In fact, it borders on the trivial.

The number of illegal crossings a day over the 2000 mile boarder average out to be one person a day for every 4 miles. However most the crossing are not in remote areas. In some places where there will be tens of millions of dollars in walls, there would not be an attempted crossing once a month.

No stand-up American who can understand basic math will care about the "tens of millions of dollars" being spent on the wall in remote areas since we will be saving up to 113 billion per year moving forward.
(You have conveniently missed my previous post)
"It's not worth discussing" because the truth hurts....is that what you really meant? Come on bud...stop with the semantics...pull your head out of your ass for just one minute and don't lie to yourself. The estimated costs to build the wall pales in comparison to the estimated costs related to harboring illegals (113 billion PER YEAR) and anyone with a third grade education knows it....What has been disapproved about anchor babies? I'd like to hear the babble."

 

[BrokeLoser]

It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.

There is another difference.

East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.

Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.

The difference is a HUGE one.

Our OWN people can come and go as they please.

You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.

( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )

Yep, there is a yuge difference. That's what makes it so screwy. We rightly condemned the East German government for building the Berlin Wall. Would we have cheered if the West Germans had built it instead, to keep the East Germans out?

We would have cheered for the country saving 113 billion per year by building a wall...simple arithmetic bud.

You're not saving a penny--you're WASTING billions and that's the POINT.

Border patrol agent explores newly discovered US-Mexico drug tunnel with GoPro camera

This is an 800 yard tunnel they found, after years of use that went right into San Diego. This tunnel was built to avoid a WALL. Drug lords will spend millions to build a tunnel. That's their bread and butter and they're going to protect it, and they'll spend whatever it takes to get it done.

If it's something they can SEE, they can and will compromise it. Motion electronic detectors, that they can't see, more border patrol stations and border patrol will stop it.

As far as the wall itself it can also be easily compromised. There's holes in walls & fences down there already that are big enough to drive trucks through.

It's clear none of you have ever been to the border. Even the people who live along the border & deal with this on a daily basis will tell you that a WALL is ridiculous.

"Even the people who live along the border & deal with this on a daily basis will tell you that a WALL is ridiculous."
Haha...You must be asking illegals who live along the border.
You're just plain crazy...or you're an illegal...or you're just plain stupid. I live in Southern California, I have friends in east San Diego who live a stone throw from the current wall. They want the wall more than anyone and they KNOW a wall is effective. The tunnels you're so hug up on are used by cartels only for transporting narcotics only...they won't mess with small time human trafficking. Stop reaching bud...your argument is retarded.

 

[Kondor3]

It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.

There is another difference.

East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.

Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.

The difference is a HUGE one.

Our OWN people can come and go as they please.

You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.

( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )

Yep, there is a yuge difference. That's what makes it so screwy. We rightly condemned the East German government for building the Berlin Wall. Would we have cheered if the West Germans had built it instead, to keep the East Germans out?

We would not have cheered.

But we would have understood.

Then again, like goes to like... Germans of identical language and culture and traditions would not be likely to try to keep each other out.

We, on the other hand, are Americans of English language and European culture and tradition...

Like oil and water vis a vis Mexicans, of Spanish language and largely Aztec culture and traditions, papered-over with a few centuries of European exposure.

They are not close kin, as the West and East Germans were.

And that's where your comparison breaks down.

 

[Kondor3]

It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.

There is another difference.

East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.

Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.

The difference is a HUGE one.

Our OWN people can come and go as they please.

You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.

( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )

Except as I posted before, the official rationale from East Germany in building the wall was to keep out fascists. In other words, they were saying the same thing Trump is saying now.

The official rationale was horseshit.

Anyone believing the East German government - even at a distance of 40 or 50 years - is not a serious discussion partner.

 

[Kondor3]

It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.

There is another difference.

East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.

Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.

The difference is a HUGE one.

Our OWN people can come and go as they please.

You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.

( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )

Yep, there is a yuge difference. That's what makes it so screwy. We rightly condemned the East German government for building the Berlin Wall. Would we have cheered if the West Germans had built it instead, to keep the East Germans out?

We would have cheered for the country saving 113 billion per year by building a wall...simple arithmetic bud.

You're not saving a penny--you're WASTING billions and that's the POINT.

Border patrol agent explores newly discovered US-Mexico drug tunnel with GoPro camera

This is an 800 yard tunnel they found, after years of use that went right into San Diego. This tunnel was built to avoid a WALL. Drug lords will spend millions to build a tunnel. That's their bread and butter and they're going to protect it, and they'll spend whatever it takes to get it done.

If it's something they can SEE, they can and will compromise it. Motion electronic detectors, that they can't see, more border patrol stations and border patrol will stop it.

As far as the wall itself it can also be easily compromised. There's holes in walls & fences down there already that are big enough to drive trucks through.

It's clear none of you have ever been to the border. Even the people who live along the border & deal with this on a daily basis will tell you that a WALL is ridiculous.

Time to start pouring gasoline into those tunnels and lighting it while the drug traffickers are using them.

 

[oreo]

I am certain you're watching your FOX News that is going to do anything to protect Trump. BUT CNN has had an investigative reporter down there for MONTHS talking to residents--going over the terrain, and all the residents say, "if you build a 50 foot wall, they'll bring a 51 foot ladder. LOOK this is just COMMON SENSE.

If fences and walls could have kept them out of this country they wouldn't be here today. There's plenty of fences and WALLS along the border already and they still come in. They climb over them, they'll dig under them, and if you can't listen to FOX NEWS who reported this 800 yard tunnel, then nothing is going to convince you.
Border patrol agent explores newly discovered US-Mexico drug tunnel with GoPro camera

You'll waste BILLIONS of dollars on a worthless wall, and we'll be back to square one. We have the technology, we just need to install it, build more border stations and add more border patrol. Something they can't SEE they won't be able to compromise.

Our biggest success is when G.W. Bush announced he was sending National Guard down to the border. Just that announcement stopped attempts by 67%. With Trump announcing a wall, they are designing tunnels right now for it. They'll be bringing rope, wire cutters, drills, torches, sludge hammers, shovels, pins and caribeaners and everything they need to get over or under that wall. They've even been known to use cranes.

Here's one of them right here.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, while expecting a different result.

 

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It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.

There is another difference.

East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.

Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.

The difference is a HUGE one.

Our OWN people can come and go as they please.

You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.

( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )

Yep, there is a yuge difference. That's what makes it so screwy. We rightly condemned the East German government for building the Berlin Wall. Would we have cheered if the West Germans had built it instead, to keep the East Germans out?

We would have cheered for the country saving 113 billion per year by building a wall...simple arithmetic bud.

You're not saving a penny--you're WASTING billions and that's the POINT.

Border patrol agent explores newly discovered US-Mexico drug tunnel with GoPro camera

This is an 800 yard tunnel they found, after years of use that went right into San Diego. This tunnel was built to avoid a WALL. Drug lords will spend millions to build a tunnel. That's their bread and butter and they're going to protect it, and they'll spend whatever it takes to get it done.

If it's something they can SEE, they can and will compromise it. Motion electronic detectors, that they can't see, more border patrol stations and border patrol will stop it.

As far as the wall itself it can also be easily compromised. There's holes in walls & fences down there already that are big enough to drive trucks through.

It's clear none of you have ever been to the border. Even the people who live along the border & deal with this on a daily basis will tell you that a WALL is ridiculous.

Time to start pouring gasoline into those tunnels and lighting it while the drug traffickers are using them.

And what do the goose-steppers want to do with the illegal immigrants already in the US?