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There is no US law that makes entering Mexico without permission illegal just as there is no Mexican law that makes it illegal for their people to enter the US. It is the responsibility of each country to protect their boarders. Trying to extort money out the Mexican government because we have failed to protect our boarder is just plain wrong. All of Trump's raving about Mexican rapist, murders, and drug dealers crossing the boarder does not alter the fact that it's our job to stop them, not Mexico. Trump is just trying to raise the level of hate between Americans and Mexicans to get support for his wall.Keep in mind it is not the goverment of Mexico that violates US Sovereignty, nor is it the 120 million people that live there and never cross our boarder illegally.I agree. However, it should not be the responsibility of Mexico to secure the US boarder just because the US is either too inept or chooses not to spend the money to do so.That's great, but it is not the responsibility of the US - or its taxpayers like me - to provide an economy for the mass poor of mexico to take advantage of. Its time for the Mexican and central american governments to start building functional societies and not depend upon the hated white gringo america to support them.
Their actions, such as choosing to violate our Sovereignty, is their responsibility.
Just as the US is not responsible for acts of of a small percent of our citizens abroad, neither is Mexico. I really don't understand why so many people think it's Mexico's responsibility to secure our boarders. Are we really that inept that we need their help?
If our citizens were flowing into Mexico, against the wishes of Mexico, their government would complain and our government would take steps to address the problem.
Mexico is responsible for their actions.
It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.
Yeah - so I wonder how the US would respond if Mexico imprisoned its people behind a wall? Yet we're wiling to do it for them and send them the bill?
Times are curiouser and curiouser.
All you lefties are backing off your it won't get built mantra and shifting to a you'll pay for it mantra.
I don't care. Build it.
You build a 1000 mile wall there will be a 1000 holes and tunnels underneath it as soon as it's built. What they can see, can and will always be compromised. Technology--motion detectors, more border patrol stations and border patrol are the only solution.
800 yard tunnel found
Huge US-Mexico drugs tunnel found in San Diego - BBC News
Drug lords will spend millions on these tunnels.
Personally I think some rope, pins and caribeaners would be a lot easier. They could haul up and down the other side about 100 people every half hour. Hammer drill with a generator can put a hole in the wall big enough for a truck to drive through. Metal? They'll bring torches and saw zaws. They'll build stairs on their side of wall and lower down on the other side. It's laughable, the things I know they're going to do with this wall.
A wall is a total waste of billions of tax payer dollars.
Our best result was when G.W. Bush put the national guard on the border. Attempted crossing's dropped by a whopping 67% simply because they knew they were there.
Time to start pouring gasoline into those tunnels and lighting it while the drug traffickers are using them.There is another difference.
East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.
Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.
The difference is a HUGE one.
Our OWN people can come and go as they please.
You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.
( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )
Yep, there is a yuge difference. That's what makes it so screwy. We rightly condemned the East German government for building the Berlin Wall. Would we have cheered if the West Germans had built it instead, to keep the East Germans out?
We would have cheered for the country saving 113 billion per year by building a wall...simple arithmetic bud.
You're not saving a penny--you're WASTING billions and that's the POINT.
Border patrol agent explores newly discovered US-Mexico drug tunnel with GoPro camera
This is an 800 yard tunnel they found, after years of use that went right into San Diego. This tunnel was built to avoid a WALL. Drug lords will spend millions to build a tunnel. That's their bread and butter and they're going to protect it, and they'll spend whatever it takes to get it done.
If it's something they can SEE, they can and will compromise it. Motion electronic detectors, that they can't see, more border patrol stations and border patrol will stop it.
As far as the wall itself it can also be easily compromised. There's holes in walls & fences down there already that are big enough to drive trucks through.
It's clear none of you have ever been to the border. Even the people who live along the border & deal with this on a daily basis will tell you that a WALL is ridiculous.
And what do the goose-steppers want to do with the illegal immigrants already in the US?
I assume what you're really trying to say is, "Yes, I see you were correct, but I can't admit it."Link?Except as I posted before, the official rationale from East Germany in building the wall was to keep out fascists. In other words, they were saying the same thing Trump is saying now.There is another difference.It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.
East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.
Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.
The difference is a HUGE one.
Our OWN people can come and go as they please.
You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.
( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )The Berlin WallThe Eastern Bloc claimed that the Wall was erected to protect its population from fascist elements conspiring to prevent the "will of the people" in building a socialist state in East Germany. In practice, the Wall served to prevent the massive emigration and defection that had marked East Germany and the communist Eastern Bloc during the post-World War II period.
The Berlin Wall was officially referred to as the "Anti-Fascist Protective Wall" (German: Antifaschistischer Schutzwall) by GDR authorities, implying that the NATO countries and West Germany in particular were considered equal to "fascists" by GDR propaganda.
There's nothing new under the sun.
Are you naturally stupid or are you trying and succeeding?
Or is someone in your family taking away an American's job?
Let's try some reading comprehension.The official rationale was horseshit.Except as I posted before, the official rationale from East Germany in building the wall was to keep out fascists. In other words, they were saying the same thing Trump is saying now.There is another difference.It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.
East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.
Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.
The difference is a HUGE one.
Our OWN people can come and go as they please.
You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.
( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )
Anyone believing the East German government - even at a distance of 40 or 50 years - is not a serious discussion partner.
Funny how you have more of an issue with the person that wants to protect Americans, than the ones selling poison to our young.
Funny how you have more of an issue with the person that wants to protect Americans, than the ones selling poison to our young.
That doesn't sell. None of the goose-steppers are worried about border-security. You just want to keep out Mexicans in general. I doubt you'll even deny it.
Let's try some reading comprehension.The official rationale was horseshit.Except as I posted before, the official rationale from East Germany in building the wall was to keep out fascists. In other words, they were saying the same thing Trump is saying now.There is another difference.It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.
East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.
Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.
The difference is a HUGE one.
Our OWN people can come and go as they please.
You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.
( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )
Anyone believing the East German government - even at a distance of 40 or 50 years - is not a serious discussion partner.
What I am obviously not saying:
"The Berlin Wall was meant to keep fascists out of East Germany."
What anyone with half a brain can see that I'm actually saying:
East Germany, like the Trump administration re: the wall on the Mexican border, claimed that their wall was meant to keep out undesirables. Obviously East Germany's stated reason for the wall was nonsense, but so might Trump's be.
Time to start pouring gasoline into those tunnels and lighting it while the drug traffickers are using them.There is another difference.
East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.
Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.
The difference is a HUGE one.
Our OWN people can come and go as they please.
You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.
( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )
Yep, there is a yuge difference. That's what makes it so screwy. We rightly condemned the East German government for building the Berlin Wall. Would we have cheered if the West Germans had built it instead, to keep the East Germans out?
We would have cheered for the country saving 113 billion per year by building a wall...simple arithmetic bud.
You're not saving a penny--you're WASTING billions and that's the POINT.
Border patrol agent explores newly discovered US-Mexico drug tunnel with GoPro camera
This is an 800 yard tunnel they found, after years of use that went right into San Diego. This tunnel was built to avoid a WALL. Drug lords will spend millions to build a tunnel. That's their bread and butter and they're going to protect it, and they'll spend whatever it takes to get it done.
If it's something they can SEE, they can and will compromise it. Motion electronic detectors, that they can't see, more border patrol stations and border patrol will stop it.
As far as the wall itself it can also be easily compromised. There's holes in walls & fences down there already that are big enough to drive trucks through.
It's clear none of you have ever been to the border. Even the people who live along the border & deal with this on a daily basis will tell you that a WALL is ridiculous.
And what do the goose-steppers want to do with the illegal immigrants already in the US?
Well we're talking about a reality television star turned politician. So it seems like a fair concern.Let's try some reading comprehension.The official rationale was horseshit.Except as I posted before, the official rationale from East Germany in building the wall was to keep out fascists. In other words, they were saying the same thing Trump is saying now.There is another difference.It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.
East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.
Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.
The difference is a HUGE one.
Our OWN people can come and go as they please.
You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.
( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )
Anyone believing the East German government - even at a distance of 40 or 50 years - is not a serious discussion partner.
What I am obviously not saying:
"The Berlin Wall was meant to keep fascists out of East Germany."
What anyone with half a brain can see that I'm actually saying:
East Germany, like the Trump administration re: the wall on the Mexican border, claimed that their wall was meant to keep out undesirables. Obviously East Germany's stated reason for the wall was nonsense, but so might Trump's be.
Or it might not be. Ta Dah!
Well we're talking about a reality television star turned politician. So it seems like a fair concern.Let's try some reading comprehension.The official rationale was horseshit.Except as I posted before, the official rationale from East Germany in building the wall was to keep out fascists. In other words, they were saying the same thing Trump is saying now.There is another difference.
East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.
Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.
The difference is a HUGE one.
Our OWN people can come and go as they please.
You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.
( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )
Anyone believing the East German government - even at a distance of 40 or 50 years - is not a serious discussion partner.
What I am obviously not saying:
"The Berlin Wall was meant to keep fascists out of East Germany."
What anyone with half a brain can see that I'm actually saying:
East Germany, like the Trump administration re: the wall on the Mexican border, claimed that their wall was meant to keep out undesirables. Obviously East Germany's stated reason for the wall was nonsense, but so might Trump's be.
Or it might not be. Ta Dah!
Let's try some reading comprehension.The official rationale was horseshit.Except as I posted before, the official rationale from East Germany in building the wall was to keep out fascists. In other words, they were saying the same thing Trump is saying now.There is another difference.It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.
East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.
Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.
The difference is a HUGE one.
Our OWN people can come and go as they please.
You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.
( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )
Anyone believing the East German government - even at a distance of 40 or 50 years - is not a serious discussion partner.
What I am obviously not saying:
"The Berlin Wall was meant to keep fascists out of East Germany."
What anyone with half a brain can see that I'm actually saying:
East Germany, like the Trump administration re: the wall on the Mexican border, claimed that their wall was meant to keep out undesirables. Obviously East Germany's stated reason for the wall was nonsense, but so might Trump's be.
Comparing politicians to politicians? Yes, that seems extremely fair.Well we're talking about a reality television star turned politician. So it seems like a fair concern.Let's try some reading comprehension.The official rationale was horseshit.Except as I posted before, the official rationale from East Germany in building the wall was to keep out fascists. In other words, they were saying the same thing Trump is saying now.
Anyone believing the East German government - even at a distance of 40 or 50 years - is not a serious discussion partner.
What I am obviously not saying:
"The Berlin Wall was meant to keep fascists out of East Germany."
What anyone with half a brain can see that I'm actually saying:
East Germany, like the Trump administration re: the wall on the Mexican border, claimed that their wall was meant to keep out undesirables. Obviously East Germany's stated reason for the wall was nonsense, but so might Trump's be.
Or it might not be. Ta Dah!
Comparing a real estate tycoon/television star turned politician with communist thugs seems fair to you?
That says a lot more about you than about Trump.
Alternatively we could just stop offering welfare completely, not build a wall, and save money all around.Let's try some reading comprehension.The official rationale was horseshit.Except as I posted before, the official rationale from East Germany in building the wall was to keep out fascists. In other words, they were saying the same thing Trump is saying now.There is another difference.It really is like the Berlin Wall - except with West Germans building the wall.
East Germany (goaded by their Soviet masters) built their Wall to keep their own people IN.
Trump's Wall would be built to keep OTHER people OUT.
The difference is a HUGE one.
Our OWN people can come and go as they please.
You might get shot for trying to sneak IN, but you won't get shot for trying to sneak OUT , as happened to so many East Berliners and East Germans.
( and this from somebody who thinks the wall is a stupid and ineffective bumper-sticker-slogan idea )
Anyone believing the East German government - even at a distance of 40 or 50 years - is not a serious discussion partner.
What I am obviously not saying:
"The Berlin Wall was meant to keep fascists out of East Germany."
What anyone with half a brain can see that I'm actually saying:
East Germany, like the Trump administration re: the wall on the Mexican border, claimed that their wall was meant to keep out undesirables. Obviously East Germany's stated reason for the wall was nonsense, but so might Trump's be.
Oh make no mistake, the wall is definitely needed to keep out "undesirables". No one doing well in Mexico is trying to get here. We get the most desperate of desperate. Uneducated, third world types with no moral compass, the lowest grade of human is what we get. We get the type that just can't make it in our system without a lifelong hand holding from government. They can't qualify to hold jobs that pay enough for their families of seven that are forever growing due to ignorance.
This is a no-brainer for a third grader...All people have to do is pull their head out of their utopian ass for a second to see it.
Comparing politicians to politicians? Yes, that seems extremely fair.Well we're talking about a reality television star turned politician. So it seems like a fair concern.Let's try some reading comprehension.The official rationale was horseshit.
Anyone believing the East German government - even at a distance of 40 or 50 years - is not a serious discussion partner.
What I am obviously not saying:
"The Berlin Wall was meant to keep fascists out of East Germany."
What anyone with half a brain can see that I'm actually saying:
East Germany, like the Trump administration re: the wall on the Mexican border, claimed that their wall was meant to keep out undesirables. Obviously East Germany's stated reason for the wall was nonsense, but so might Trump's be.
Or it might not be. Ta Dah!
Comparing a real estate tycoon/television star turned politician with communist thugs seems fair to you?
That says a lot more about you than about Trump.
I'm lying about thinking it seems fair to compare politicians to other politicians? I feel strangely confident that I'm not.Comparing politicians to politicians? Yes, that seems extremely fair.Well we're talking about a reality television star turned politician. So it seems like a fair concern.Let's try some reading comprehension.
What I am obviously not saying:
"The Berlin Wall was meant to keep fascists out of East Germany."
What anyone with half a brain can see that I'm actually saying:
East Germany, like the Trump administration re: the wall on the Mexican border, claimed that their wall was meant to keep out undesirables. Obviously East Germany's stated reason for the wall was nonsense, but so might Trump's be.
Or it might not be. Ta Dah!
Comparing a real estate tycoon/television star turned politician with communist thugs seems fair to you?
That says a lot more about you than about Trump.
YOu are a liar and a fool.
I'm lying about thinking it seems fair to compare politicians to other politicians? I feel strangely confident that I'm not.Comparing politicians to politicians? Yes, that seems extremely fair.Well we're talking about a reality television star turned politician. So it seems like a fair concern.Or it might not be. Ta Dah!
Comparing a real estate tycoon/television star turned politician with communist thugs seems fair to you?
That says a lot more about you than about Trump.
YOu are a liar and a fool.
That something seems unfair to you is different from saying that I'm lying about not believing it's unfair. And yes, politicians and governments are my enemy. Something conservatives may have agreed with under Obama. Suddenly not so much.I'm lying about thinking it seems fair to compare politicians to other politicians? I feel strangely confident that I'm not.Comparing politicians to politicians? Yes, that seems extremely fair.Well we're talking about a reality television star turned politician. So it seems like a fair concern.
Comparing a real estate tycoon/television star turned politician with communist thugs seems fair to you?
That says a lot more about you than about Trump.
YOu are a liar and a fool.
Nope. YOu know that it is unfair and you are just doing it to smear your enemy.
The reasons for a Wall with Mexico are clear and obvious.
Your pretense that you can't see it is nonsense. Please consider your lies dismissed.
