BUILD THE WALL. I don't give a damn who pays for it. Me, you or the man on the moon. Build it.

[Kondor3]

...The time for a nuanced discussion of cost benefit on HOW to best stop illegal immigration was back in the 90s. Instead the left choose to shut down serious debate with the Race Card. And both sides used delaying tactics. Now we are going to do EVERYTHING AND DO IT NOW. THe wall. more ICE agents. empowering locals. going after employers. ect. ect.

Do you understand that you have a responsibility to facilitate good stewardship of the taxpayer's money?

The Wall represents a solution that is ultimately destined to fail and which cannot be sustained in pepetity.

Rendering the country toxic (financially and socially) to Illegal Aliens will cost far less and CAN be sustained and is a superior solution from a stewardship perspective.

Or have you (collectively, the proponents of The Wall) lost the ability to reason, and conduct the affairs of the Republic responsibly?

If you cannot tolerate discussion of the best way in which to accomplish necessary and common goals, then you will not remain in power very long.

Your choice.

THe failure of stewardship is that we have been allowing opponents to delay action for decades.

Whether smearing good people or quibbling over details of the best possible use of money.

And while that has been going on, people have been paying real life prices for that.

Do it all, do it now.

Incorrect.

You describe political cowardice.

That is not the same thing as good stewardship.

You can be both politically courageous and a good steward, if you have the heart and the intellect to both plan and execute effectively.

This is not rocket science.

Is the combination of political courage and good stewardship - to yield a profound, long-term, sustainable solution to accomplish your goals - beyond you?

I do not believe that for a minute.

I can, on the other hand, believe intellectual laziness and emotional short-signtedness.

Not on your part, personally, but collectively - a.k.a. the un-thinking, emoting Group Animal that salivates over simpleton solutions that won't work in the long run.

 

[dblack]

Yep. After they fucked up by allowing immigration.

Agreed. After the fact is too late. Maybe Trump needs to build a time machine.

There is no doubt about it. We fucked up BIG TIME, just like the Mexicans in 1824.

It's still in play. If Mexico had accepted reality, and welcomed the immigrants as part of their country, Texas might still be theirs. How would Mexico's history be different if still had Texas? No way to know for sure, but it seems likely they'd be much better off.

What are we prepared to lose in our fight with reality?

 

[Darkwind]

gn f

Who cares. It isn't as if you do. You are just looking for a way to demean a Republican.

Demean a Republican for lying?

lol

The wall is moving forward. Congress is set to act on providing financing and work will begin in months. No lies in any of that. As I said, you're just out to call names against a Republican. You have nothing of substance to add to anything.

It could be kinda cool. I know people who were present when the Berlin Wall came down. Maybe I'll have the chance to watch this one fall.

Yeah, because people trying to flee the most repressive regime this world has ever seen is the equivalent of a nation trying to protect its own interests. Hey, maybe it will come true for you. America is the land of dreams.

Home of the free, land of the brave, hiding behind a wall.

Fucking ignorant cowards.

You, of course, have no doors on your house, no locks on your doors, no glass in your windows and sleep wtih signs in your yard that say, Welcome, come on in, it's not locked.

You're pretty stupid.

 

[Darkwind]

Lmao! You rumpies are not seeing what he said. mr rump said that he will deport then let them all right back in with visas...lol, whats the fucking difference? Whatever he does you can be sure that the American Worker will continue to be crapped on. "Promise" No.68. Deport the almost 11 million immigrants illegally living in the United States.
Promise No 70. Continue to allow lowly paid foreign workers to come to the United States on temporary works visas because Trump says they are the only ones who want to pick grapes.

Oh MY GOD! He said he would let them in if they followed the law!

The horror!

 

[Darkwind]

Building Hadrian's Trump's Wall is sheer stupidity...

Especially if you are not going to permanently deploy an entire Legion brigade of Border Patrol guards to interdict those who go over it or tunnel under it or blast through it...

It's not just about building The Wall...

It's also... even MORE... about SUSTAINABILITY over the course of decades, and effectiveness in accomplishing its goals...

(a.k.a. getting sufficient bang-for-the-buck... a.k.a. good stewardship)...

Think, people... think... and do so strategically, and long-term... not just the short-term tactical (bumper-sticker-slogan caliber) solution that a Wall represents...

You build The Wall, and THEN what?

You spend the next 10 or 20 or 50 years, playing Whack-A-Mole with the thousand-and-one holes cut or blasted into the thing or the ladders thrown over it, across 2,000 miles.

And, in the end, it doesn't work, after all, and you've wasted 100 times more time and money than it originally took to build The Goddamned Wall in the first place.

Is that good stewardship of the taxpayers' money? Is that good stewardship of the Republic's political capital and goodwill amongst its neighbors?

Not if it results in decades of Whack-A-Mole and ultimate failure, it's not.

C'mon, folks, this isn't rocket science.

Want to get rid of the present Invasion Force of 11-12,000,000 Illegal Aliens?

Make 'em want to leave, under their own power, and at their own expense, without us spending a dime on deportations.

Want to prevent FUTURE waves of Invaders?

Establish conditions sufficiently onerous - financially and socially - to Illegal Aliens, so that they lose interest in coming here, and decide not to bother trying.

How?

1. Nobody works in this country, unless they are a citizen or legal resident; metaphorically crucify any employer who fails to check both incoming and existing employees

2. Nobody buys or leases or rents a residence or real estate (house, townhome, condo, apartment, room, whatever) unless... same mechanism and penalties

3. Nobody buys or leases a vehicle (car, truck, motorcycle, boat, plane, whatever) unless... same mechanism and penalties

4. Nobody opens or maintains a banking or other financial account on-shore unless... ditto re: mechanisms and penalties.

5. Nobody is allowed to wire money out of the country unless... ditto.

6. Nobody is allowed to enroll-in or attend any school or university unless... ditto

7. Nobody is allowed to receive taxpayer-funded social or welfare benefits unless... ditto

8. Nobody is allowed to receive any medical services except for lightweight first-aid or profound life-saving services unless... ditto

There is a price.

That price is a National ID Card standard (mag-stripe and/or embedded chip) which all 50 States would be obliged to conform to, to facilitate interstate commerce and travel.

If you want to do or receive anything in the Laundry List 1-8 (above), you must present your ID card for verification prior to the completion of the transaction or service.

We would need to create a nationwide authentication/validation system similar to those used when somebody runs a credit card prior to completing a sale.

To those who fret about a National ID Card standard...

Even if it's issued by individual States - hell, that's already kinda-sorta happening, every time a merchant runs your credit card, isn't it?

The technology has been there for decades.

And the government would have to pick up the tab for not only the centralized database system but also the state-level start-up projects, and commercial pilot projects.

It would cost billions.

But it seems likely that it would be an order-of-magnitude less expensive than Hadrian's Trump's Wall.

And it would sure-as-hell be cheaper to SUSTAIN over several decades.

And it would be one helluva-lot more EFFECTIVE and would result in a myriad of side-benefits, with respect to authentication.

It might require that a new and Conservative -leaning Supreme Court overturn one or two of its old rulings related to Illegals using our schools and medical facilities, but, given the likely changes in the composition of the Court, both this year and in the near future, that should not present much of an obstacle.

It would also require the rescission of a few statutes and the crafting of a few others, that would stand the test of scrutiny by a new and Conservative SCOTUS. No problem.

Imagine... if you're an Illegal Alien, and you can't get a job, or buy or rent a house or apartment or car or hold a bank account or wire money home or any of the rest of the things we see on the list 1-8 above...

You're not going to hang around...

You're going to pack your bags, scoop-up the wife and kiddies, and get the hell outta Dodge while the getting is still good, at your own expense, and that, damned quick...

You'll also know that there's no point in coming back without permission... no point in sneaking back across the border... no point in overstaying your visa... you won't bother.

Same goes for others who were thinking about trying to sneak in or obtain a visa and then over-stay... they won't bother... there will be no point in even trying.

It won't even piss off the neighbors all that much; it's one helluva lot more sensible and one helluva lot less insulting than putting-up such a barrier...

And all for a price one helluva lot cheaper than some stupid Hadrian's Trump's Wall that isn't going to work anyway.

Think, people... THINK !!!

You should follow your own advice. The wall is "PART" of the whole solution.

Think.......try it sometime.

 

[sartre play]

I was just wondering how many posters that want the wall built live in a county in a state that will be effected by a wall.

 

[Flopper]

It's quite likely that if the US continues there threats against Mexico, the country will fall into a deep recession sending millions of poor Mexicans north for US to deal with. Reactions are likely to be against US corporations such as Walmart with 2400 stores in Mexico and several thousand other US businesses in Mexico as well over 2 million US citizens living there. The DEA activities in Mexico would likely cease as well as cooperation with US immigration. Working agreements with dozens of US agencies from the CDC to the Dept of Commerce would likely cease.

Wrong, on many levels.

Its interesting how the left attacks the US and West for imperially stealing resources from poor countries - but not for taking their most valuable resource - their people.

By acting as a safety valve for the poor countries, it relieves them of the responsibility of building functional societies, as the rich elite in them can keep stealing from their country, and the mass poor get supported by the US. If the people are stuck in those countries, they will rise up and force those nations' governments to operate legitimately. An eternal safety valve is not a realistic option for the US, and it is long past time for these countries to grow up and feed their own.

We do not force anyone to come to this country we allow them to come as we have for over 200 years and this policy has served this country quite well.

Migration of population serves both countries. Writing in 1979, economist JK Galbraith expressed it best when he wrote, "Migration is the oldest action against poverty. It selects those who most want help. It is good for the country to which they go. It helps break the equilibrium of poverty in the country from which they come.”

Although migration is good, illegal migration is not. In the US we have tolerated illegal immigration for nearly a century, sometimes cracking down on it and other times encouraging it. One quarter of all farm labor is supplied by illegal immigrants. In some areas of the country illegal immigrants are in the majority. It might seem that the solution is to rip it out of society and damn the consequences. There are far more effective and less painful methods of dealing with the problem than building walls both literally and figuratively around the country and starting a 2nd civil war.

The first step is have real immigration laws that deal with the problem. Do you realize being in the US illegally is not even a misdemeanor in most cases. It is a status violation. Immigration courts are civil not criminal courts. Deportation is not punishment but correction of status. Half the deportees are being deported because they don't have lawyers to take advantage of the many loopholes in our immigration laws. The federal government has to have the cooperation of local and state law enforcement but to get that cooperation, local law enforcement must violate state laws and and even the constitution because of a lack legal requirements in our immigration laws.

 

[Correll]

...The time for a nuanced discussion of cost benefit on HOW to best stop illegal immigration was back in the 90s. Instead the left choose to shut down serious debate with the Race Card. And both sides used delaying tactics. Now we are going to do EVERYTHING AND DO IT NOW. THe wall. more ICE agents. empowering locals. going after employers. ect. ect.

Do you understand that you have a responsibility to facilitate good stewardship of the taxpayer's money?

The Wall represents a solution that is ultimately destined to fail and which cannot be sustained in pepetity.

Rendering the country toxic (financially and socially) to Illegal Aliens will cost far less and CAN be sustained and is a superior solution from a stewardship perspective.

Or have you (collectively, the proponents of The Wall) lost the ability to reason, and conduct the affairs of the Republic responsibly?

If you cannot tolerate discussion of the best way in which to accomplish necessary and common goals, then you will not remain in power very long.

Your choice.

THe failure of stewardship is that we have been allowing opponents to delay action for decades.

Whether smearing good people or quibbling over details of the best possible use of money.

And while that has been going on, people have been paying real life prices for that.

Do it all, do it now.

Incorrect.

You describe political cowardice.

That is not the same thing as good stewardship.

You can be both politically courageous and a good steward, if you have the heart and the intellect to both plan and execute effectively.

This is not rocket science.

Is the combination of political courage and good stewardship - to yield a profound, long-term, sustainable solution to accomplish your goals - beyond you?

I do not believe that for a minute.

I can, on the other hand, believe intellectual laziness and emotional short-signtedness.

Not on your part, personally, but collectively - a.k.a. the un-thinking, emoting Group Animal that salivates over simpleton solutions that won't work in the long run.

The Wall will make it harder for illegals to physically enter the country. That is helpful for the long term, quite sustainable goal of controlling immigration.

 

[Correll]

Yep. After they fucked up by allowing immigration.

Agreed. After the fact is too late. Maybe Trump needs to build a time machine.

There is no doubt about it. We fucked up BIG TIME, just like the Mexicans in 1824.

It's still in play. If Mexico had accepted reality, and welcomed the immigrants as part of their country, Texas might still be theirs. How would Mexico's history be different if still had Texas? No way to know for sure, but it seems likely they'd be much better off.

What are we prepared to lose in our fight with reality?

Those settlers were never going to be loyal to Mexico.

 

[Correll]

I was just wondering how many posters that want the wall built live in a county in a state that will be effected by a wall.

All states will be effected, whether the Wall is built or not.

It's not like the illegals hit American soil and stop moving.

 

[dblack]

Yep. After they fucked up by allowing immigration.

Agreed. After the fact is too late. Maybe Trump needs to build a time machine.

There is no doubt about it. We fucked up BIG TIME, just like the Mexicans in 1824.

It's still in play. If Mexico had accepted reality, and welcomed the immigrants as part of their country, Texas might still be theirs. How would Mexico's history be different if still had Texas? No way to know for sure, but it seems likely they'd be much better off.

What are we prepared to lose in our fight with reality?

Those settlers were never going to be loyal to Mexico.

I see. Nothing to see here. Nothing to think about. Move along.

Tell us again about the rapists! Do you have any lurid pictures?

 

[dblack]

gn f

Demean a Republican for lying?

lol

The wall is moving forward. Congress is set to act on providing financing and work will begin in months. No lies in any of that. As I said, you're just out to call names against a Republican. You have nothing of substance to add to anything.

It could be kinda cool. I know people who were present when the Berlin Wall came down. Maybe I'll have the chance to watch this one fall.

Yeah, because people trying to flee the most repressive regime this world has ever seen is the equivalent of a nation trying to protect its own interests. Hey, maybe it will come true for you. America is the land of dreams.

Home of the free, land of the brave, hiding behind a wall.

Fucking ignorant cowards.

You, of course, have no doors on your house, no locks on your doors, no glass in your windows and sleep wtih signs in your yard that say, Welcome, come on in, it's not locked.

You're pretty stupid.

Rapists!

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Yes! Communists don't need to "sell" anything in a country they forcefully occupy, such as east Germany after WWII and during the cold war.

So what was the purpose of Pravda?

And why is North Korea the most propagandized population on the planet today? Surely there's no need for it.

What you call propagandized I call enslaved. It is just a matter of semantics.

After a quick search I found out I was right! Happy day.

The Eastern Bloc claimed that the Wall was erected to protect its population from fascist elements conspiring to prevent the "will of the people" in building a socialist state in East Germany. In practice, the Wall served to prevent the massive emigration and defection that had marked East Germany and the communist Eastern Bloc during the post-World War II period.

The Berlin Wall was officially referred to as the "Anti-Fascist Protective Wall" (German: Antifaschistischer Schutzwall) by GDR authorities, implying that the NATO countries and West Germany in particular were considered equal to "fascists" by GDR propaganda.

The Berlin Wall

So I won the bet. Feels good.

This is the propaganda that the USSR used to fool you with.

"The Eastern Bloc claimed that the Wall was erected to protect its population from fascist elements conspiring to prevent the "will of the people" in building a socialist state in East Germany."

This is the actual reason for the wall, and it closely resembles slavery.

"In practice, the Wall served to prevent the massive emigration and defection that had marked East Germany and the communist Eastern Bloc during the post-World War II period."

You lose, and I didn't even have to look it up. You just kept digging didn't you?

I never made a claim on what the wall was actually used for because that was never in question. My point was about propaganda surrounding the Berlin Wall, which you claimed didn't exist. I proved that it did exist. In other words, you were wrong.

 

[Correll]

Yep. After they fucked up by allowing immigration.

Agreed. After the fact is too late. Maybe Trump needs to build a time machine.

There is no doubt about it. We fucked up BIG TIME, just like the Mexicans in 1824.

It's still in play. If Mexico had accepted reality, and welcomed the immigrants as part of their country, Texas might still be theirs. How would Mexico's history be different if still had Texas? No way to know for sure, but it seems likely they'd be much better off.

What are we prepared to lose in our fight with reality?

Those settlers were never going to be loyal to Mexico.

I see. Nothing to see here. Nothing to think about. Move along.

Tell us again about the rapists! Do you have any lurid pictures?

Those settlers were Americans. Giving them mexican papers didn't make them Mexicans. It gave them a chance to grow their community till it was strong enough to rebel against the Mexican government.

 

[Flopper]

There are ways to make Mexico pay. I'm sure Trump will explore the options. But that being said, at this point i just want it done. Build the wall, secure the border. Do whatever it takes to get it done. I don't wanna hear anymore excuses. If Trump puts in the effort to rebuild Obama's dismantled Immigration System, he'll always have my support.

Trump will face a backlash from congress who has never been very receptive to building a wall. Now if there was an iron clad reimbursement program, I think most republicans would support it. However with a program that Republicans have estimated to cost 15 to 25 billion that could possibly run twice that, it would be a hard sell to congress without guaranteed reimbursement.

Since it took 6 years to build a 700 mile fence, how long would it take to build a 2000 mile wall which would include both fencing and road as well the wall. Since 1000 miles of the wall would crisscross through hundreds of parcels of private property, environmental sensitive areas, and Indian land, court challenges, negotiations, and eminent domain could take years. It really seem unlikely that the project could be complete during Trump's term in office no matter how much Trump pushed it. And we know what would happen to the project once democrats got control of any branch of government.

Republicans in congress can look around at all the republicans in congress and realize that that is because of Trump, and they can give him what he wants.

Or they can piss off all the Trump voters, who happen to be the same voters that elect THEM.

Support for the wall, is not as great as you might think, even among republican voters. Even that support will decrease as delays pile up and costs rise.

In the end, Trump is going have find a way to back out of the wall promise and yet still appear to fulfill it. My guess, he'll say his immigration policies have been so tremendously effective that there is no reason now for a complete wall, giving homeland security what they have been asking for which of course is not a wall. Trump will of course have to build something which shouldn't be that hard because there're many places where the existing barriers need work.

However, if Trump's policies send the Mexican economy into a recession, migration back to Mexico will cease and a flood of new immigrants will hit the boarder.

 

[dblack]

Those settlers were Americans. Giving them mexican papers didn't make them Mexicans. It gave them a chance to grow their community till it was strong enough to rebel against the Mexican government.

And why did they want to rebel against the Mexican government?

 

[Correll]

There are ways to make Mexico pay. I'm sure Trump will explore the options. But that being said, at this point i just want it done. Build the wall, secure the border. Do whatever it takes to get it done. I don't wanna hear anymore excuses. If Trump puts in the effort to rebuild Obama's dismantled Immigration System, he'll always have my support.

Trump will face a backlash from congress who has never been very receptive to building a wall. Now if there was an iron clad reimbursement program, I think most republicans would support it. However with a program that Republicans have estimated to cost 15 to 25 billion that could possibly run twice that, it would be a hard sell to congress without guaranteed reimbursement.

Since it took 6 years to build a 700 mile fence, how long would it take to build a 2000 mile wall which would include both fencing and road as well the wall. Since 1000 miles of the wall would crisscross through hundreds of parcels of private property, environmental sensitive areas, and Indian land, court challenges, negotiations, and eminent domain could take years. It really seem unlikely that the project could be complete during Trump's term in office no matter how much Trump pushed it. And we know what would happen to the project once democrats got control of any branch of government.

Republicans in congress can look around at all the republicans in congress and realize that that is because of Trump, and they can give him what he wants.

Or they can piss off all the Trump voters, who happen to be the same voters that elect THEM.

Support for the wall, is not as great as you might think, even among republican voters. Even that support will decrease as delays pile up and costs rise.

In the end, Trump is going have find a way to back out of the wall promise and yet still appear to fulfill it. My guess, he'll say his immigration policies have been so tremendously effective that there is no reason now for a complete wall, giving homeland security what they have been asking for which of course is not a wall. Trump will of course have to build something which shouldn't be that hard because there're many places where the existing barriers need work.

However, if Trump's policies send the Mexican economy into a recession, migration back to Mexico will cease and a flood of new immigrants will hit the boarder.

That is the same type of calm, rational sounding, reasoning that told those congressmen that Trump could NOT win, and that they should, A. sabotage him, and then B. to distance themselves as much as possible.


Hopefully they won't fall for that nonsense again.

 

[Correll]

Those settlers were Americans. Giving them mexican papers didn't make them Mexicans. It gave them a chance to grow their community till it was strong enough to rebel against the Mexican government.

And why did they want to rebel against the Mexican government?

Because they were never going to let a bunch of Mexicans rule over them, not for real?

 

[dblack]

Those settlers were Americans. Giving them mexican papers didn't make them Mexicans. It gave them a chance to grow their community till it was strong enough to rebel against the Mexican government.

And why did they want to rebel against the Mexican government?

Because they were never going to let a bunch of Mexicans rule over them, not for real?

Ok. So you're saying there's no way that Mexico could have convinced the immigrants to join them. Let's agree for the sake of discussion. How should they have dealt with the problem?

 

[Kondor3]

Building Hadrian's Trump's Wall is sheer stupidity...

Especially if you are not going to permanently deploy an entire Legion brigade of Border Patrol guards to interdict those who go over it or tunnel under it or blast through it...

It's not just about building The Wall...

It's also... even MORE... about SUSTAINABILITY over the course of decades, and effectiveness in accomplishing its goals...

(a.k.a. getting sufficient bang-for-the-buck... a.k.a. good stewardship)...

Think, people... think... and do so strategically, and long-term... not just the short-term tactical (bumper-sticker-slogan caliber) solution that a Wall represents...

You build The Wall, and THEN what?

You spend the next 10 or 20 or 50 years, playing Whack-A-Mole with the thousand-and-one holes cut or blasted into the thing or the ladders thrown over it, across 2,000 miles.

And, in the end, it doesn't work, after all, and you've wasted 100 times more time and money than it originally took to build The Goddamned Wall in the first place.

Is that good stewardship of the taxpayers' money? Is that good stewardship of the Republic's political capital and goodwill amongst its neighbors?

Not if it results in decades of Whack-A-Mole and ultimate failure, it's not.

C'mon, folks, this isn't rocket science.

Want to get rid of the present Invasion Force of 11-12,000,000 Illegal Aliens?

Make 'em want to leave, under their own power, and at their own expense, without us spending a dime on deportations.

Want to prevent FUTURE waves of Invaders?

Establish conditions sufficiently onerous - financially and socially - to Illegal Aliens, so that they lose interest in coming here, and decide not to bother trying.

How?

1. Nobody works in this country, unless they are a citizen or legal resident; metaphorically crucify any employer who fails to check both incoming and existing employees

2. Nobody buys or leases or rents a residence or real estate (house, townhome, condo, apartment, room, whatever) unless... same mechanism and penalties

3. Nobody buys or leases a vehicle (car, truck, motorcycle, boat, plane, whatever) unless... same mechanism and penalties

4. Nobody opens or maintains a banking or other financial account on-shore unless... ditto re: mechanisms and penalties.

5. Nobody is allowed to wire money out of the country unless... ditto.

6. Nobody is allowed to enroll-in or attend any school or university unless... ditto

7. Nobody is allowed to receive taxpayer-funded social or welfare benefits unless... ditto

8. Nobody is allowed to receive any medical services except for lightweight first-aid or profound life-saving services unless... ditto

There is a price.

That price is a National ID Card standard (mag-stripe and/or embedded chip) which all 50 States would be obliged to conform to, to facilitate interstate commerce and travel.

If you want to do or receive anything in the Laundry List 1-8 (above), you must present your ID card for verification prior to the completion of the transaction or service.

We would need to create a nationwide authentication/validation system similar to those used when somebody runs a credit card prior to completing a sale.

To those who fret about a National ID Card standard...

Even if it's issued by individual States - hell, that's already kinda-sorta happening, every time a merchant runs your credit card, isn't it?

The technology has been there for decades.

And the government would have to pick up the tab for not only the centralized database system but also the state-level start-up projects, and commercial pilot projects.

It would cost billions.

But it seems likely that it would be an order-of-magnitude less expensive than Hadrian's Trump's Wall.

And it would sure-as-hell be cheaper to SUSTAIN over several decades.

And it would be one helluva-lot more EFFECTIVE and would result in a myriad of side-benefits, with respect to authentication.

It might require that a new and Conservative -leaning Supreme Court overturn one or two of its old rulings related to Illegals using our schools and medical facilities, but, given the likely changes in the composition of the Court, both this year and in the near future, that should not present much of an obstacle.

It would also require the rescission of a few statutes and the crafting of a few others, that would stand the test of scrutiny by a new and Conservative SCOTUS. No problem.

Imagine... if you're an Illegal Alien, and you can't get a job, or buy or rent a house or apartment or car or hold a bank account or wire money home or any of the rest of the things we see on the list 1-8 above...

You're not going to hang around...

You're going to pack your bags, scoop-up the wife and kiddies, and get the hell outta Dodge while the getting is still good, at your own expense, and that, damned quick...

You'll also know that there's no point in coming back without permission... no point in sneaking back across the border... no point in overstaying your visa... you won't bother.

Same goes for others who were thinking about trying to sneak in or obtain a visa and then over-stay... they won't bother... there will be no point in even trying.

It won't even piss off the neighbors all that much; it's one helluva lot more sensible and one helluva lot less insulting than putting-up such a barrier...

And all for a price one helluva lot cheaper than some stupid Hadrian's Trump's Wall that isn't going to work anyway.

Think, people... THINK !!!

You should follow your own advice. The wall is "PART" of the whole solution.

Think.......try it sometime.

Every goal that you have in-mind can be accomplished without The Wall, and for much less money and fuss.