BUILD THE WALL. I don't give a damn who pays for it. Me, you or the man on the moon. Build it.

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Do you often get your sports metaphors mixed up?

Swing and a miss, that wasn't a baseball metaphor? What, are you like the world's worst golfer? An incompetent carpenter?

Man accused of rape had been deported or removed from the country 19 times


"An illegal immigrant from Mexico who is accused of raping a 13-year-old girl on a Greyhound bus in Kansas had previously left and returned to the United States a combined 19 times.

That's awful and weird of you to share.

Really? You don't see any relevance to the thread topic? Try reading it AGAIN.

No, I see how it's relevant to the thread. I don't see how it's a relevant response to the specific post of mine that you quoted.

 

[Correll]

Swing and a miss, that wasn't a baseball metaphor? What, are you like the world's worst golfer? An incompetent carpenter?

Man accused of rape had been deported or removed from the country 19 times


"An illegal immigrant from Mexico who is accused of raping a 13-year-old girl on a Greyhound bus in Kansas had previously left and returned to the United States a combined 19 times.

That's awful and weird of you to share.

Really? You don't see any relevance to the thread topic? Try reading it AGAIN.

No, I see how it's relevant to the thread. I don't see how it's a relevant response to the specific post of mine that you quoted.

I assumed that you really don't log on this site to discuss competing opinions on sports metaphors, so I brought the topic back up.

 

[Kondor3]

Building Hadrian's Trump's Wall is sheer stupidity...

Especially if you are not going to permanently deploy an entire Legion brigade of Border Patrol guards to interdict those who go over it or tunnel under it or blast through it...

It's not just about building The Wall...

It's also... even MORE... about SUSTAINABILITY over the course of decades, and effectiveness in accomplishing its goals...

(a.k.a. getting sufficient bang-for-the-buck... a.k.a. good stewardship)...

Think, people... think... and do so strategically, and long-term... not just the short-term tactical (bumper-sticker-slogan caliber) solution that a Wall represents...

You build The Wall, and THEN what?

You spend the next 10 or 20 or 50 years, playing Whack-A-Mole with the thousand-and-one holes cut or blasted into the thing or the ladders thrown over it, across 2,000 miles.

And, in the end, it doesn't work, after all, and you've wasted 100 times more time and money than it originally took to build The Goddamned Wall in the first place.

Is that good stewardship of the taxpayers' money? Is that good stewardship of the Republic's political capital and goodwill amongst its neighbors?

Not if it results in decades of Whack-A-Mole and ultimate failure, it's not.

C'mon, folks, this isn't rocket science.

Want to get rid of the present Invasion Force of 11-12,000,000 Illegal Aliens?

Make 'em want to leave, under their own power, and at their own expense, without us spending a dime on deportations.

Want to prevent FUTURE waves of Invaders?

Establish conditions sufficiently onerous - financially and socially - to Illegal Aliens, so that they lose interest in coming here, and decide not to bother trying.

How?

1. Nobody works in this country, unless they are a citizen or legal resident; metaphorically crucify any employer who fails to check both incoming and existing employees

2. Nobody buys or leases or rents a residence or real estate (house, townhome, condo, apartment, room, whatever) unless... same mechanism and penalties

3. Nobody buys or leases a vehicle (car, truck, motorcycle, boat, plane, whatever) unless... same mechanism and penalties

4. Nobody opens or maintains a banking or other financial account on-shore unless... ditto re: mechanisms and penalties.

5. Nobody is allowed to wire money out of the country unless... ditto.

6. Nobody is allowed to enroll-in or attend any school or university unless... ditto

7. Nobody is allowed to receive taxpayer-funded social or welfare benefits unless... ditto

8. Nobody is allowed to receive any medical services except for lightweight first-aid or profound life-saving services unless... ditto

There is a price.

That price is a National ID Card standard (mag-stripe and/or embedded chip) which all 50 States would be obliged to conform to, to facilitate interstate commerce and travel.

If you want to do or receive anything in the Laundry List 1-8 (above), you must present your ID card for verification prior to the completion of the transaction or service.

We would need to create a nationwide authentication/validation system similar to those used when somebody runs a credit card prior to completing a sale.

To those who fret about a National ID Card standard...

Even if it's issued by individual States - hell, that's already kinda-sorta happening, every time a merchant runs your credit card, isn't it?

The technology has been there for decades.

And the government would have to pick up the tab for not only the centralized database system but also the state-level start-up projects, and commercial pilot projects.

It would cost billions.

But it seems likely that it would be an order-of-magnitude less expensive than Hadrian's Trump's Wall.

And it would sure-as-hell be cheaper to SUSTAIN over several decades.

And it would be one helluva-lot more EFFECTIVE and would result in a myriad of side-benefits, with respect to authentication.

It might require that a new and Conservative -leaning Supreme Court overturn one or two of its old rulings related to Illegals using our schools and medical facilities, but, given the likely changes in the composition of the Court, both this year and in the near future, that should not present much of an obstacle.

It would also require the rescission of a few statutes and the crafting of a few others, that would stand the test of scrutiny by a new and Conservative SCOTUS. No problem.

Imagine... if you're an Illegal Alien, and you can't get a job, or buy or rent a house or apartment or car or hold a bank account or wire money home or any of the rest of the things we see on the list 1-8 above...

You're not going to hang around...

You're going to pack your bags, scoop-up the wife and kiddies, and get the hell outta Dodge while the getting is still good, at your own expense, and that, damned quick...

You'll also know that there's no point in coming back without permission... no point in sneaking back across the border... no point in overstaying your visa... you won't bother.

Same goes for others who were thinking about trying to sneak in or obtain a visa and then over-stay... they won't bother... there will be no point in even trying.

It won't even piss off the neighbors all that much; it's one helluva lot more sensible and one helluva lot less insulting than putting-up such a barrier...

And all for a price one helluva lot cheaper than some stupid Hadrian's Trump's Wall that isn't going to work anyway.

Think, people... THINK !!!

 

[Penelope]

gn f

Demean a Republican for lying?

lol

The wall is moving forward. Congress is set to act on providing financing and work will begin in months. No lies in any of that. As I said, you're just out to call names against a Republican. You have nothing of substance to add to anything.

It could be kinda cool. I know people who were present when the Berlin Wall came down. Maybe I'll have the chance to watch this one fall.

Yeah, because people trying to flee the most repressive regime this world has ever seen is the equivalent of a nation trying to protect its own interests. Hey, maybe it will come true for you. America is the land of dreams.

Home of the free, land of the brave, hiding behind a wall.

Fucking ignorant cowards.

Ignoring real danger is not bravery, it is the act of a fool.


Man accused of rape had been deported or removed from the country 19 times


"An illegal immigrant from Mexico who is accused of raping a 13-year-old girl on a Greyhound bus in Kansas had previously left and returned to the United States a combined 19 times.

Tomas Martinez-Maldonado, 38, had been deported 10 times and voluntarily removed another nine times, "

So you believe the story?
Sheriff: Suspect jailed for alleged rape on I-70 bus trip

 

[Correll]

Building Hadrian's Trump's Wall is sheer stupidity...

Especially if you are not going to permanently deploy an entire Legion brigade of Border Patrol guards to interdict those who go over it or tunnel under it or blast through it...

It's not just about building The Wall...

It's also... even MORE... about SUSTAINABILITY over the course of decades, and effectiveness in accomplishing its goals...

(a.k.a. getting sufficient bang-for-the-buck... a.k.a. good stewardship)...

Think, people... think... and do so strategically, and long-term... not just the short-term tactical (bumper-sticker-slogan caliber) solution that a Wall represents...

You build The Wall, and THEN what?

You spend the next 10 or 20 or 50 years, playing Whack-A-Mole with the thousand-and-one holes cut or blasted into the thing or the ladders thrown over it, across 2,000 miles.

And, in the end, it doesn't work, after all, and you've wasted 100 times more time and money than it originally took to build The Wall in the first place.

Is that good stewardship of the taxpayers' money? Is that good stewardship of the Republic's political capital and goodwill amongst its neighbors?

Not if it results in decades of Whack-A-Mole and ultimate failure, it's not.

C'mon, folks, this isn't rocket science.

Want to get rid of the present Invasion Force of 11-12,000,000 Illegal Aliens?

Make 'em want to leave, under their own power, and at their own expense, without us spending a dime on deportations.

Want to prevent FUTURE waves of Invaders?

Establish conditions sufficiently onerous - financially and socially - to Illegal Aliens, so that they lose interest in coming here, and decide not to bother trying.

How?

1. Nobody works in this country, unless they are a citizen or legal resident; metaphorically crucify any employer who fails to check both incoming and existing employees

2. Nobody buys or leases or rents a residence or real estate (house, townhome, condo, apartment, room, whatever) unless... same mechanism and penalties

3. Nobody buys or leases a vehicle (car, truck, motorcycle, boat, plane, whatever) unless... same mechanism and penalties

4. Nobody opens or maintains a banking or other financial account on-shore unless... ditto re: mechanisms and penalties.

5. Nobody is allowed to wire money out of the country unless... ditto.

6. Nobody is allowed to enroll-in or attend any school or university unless... ditto

7. Nobody is allowed to receive taxpayer-funded social or welfare benefits unless... ditto

8. Nobody is allowed to receive any medical services except for lightweight first-aid or profound life-saving services unless... ditto

There is a price.

That price is a National ID Card standard (mag-stripe and/or embedded chip) which all 50 States would be obliged to conform to, to facilitate interstate commerce and travel.

If you want to do or receive anything in the Laundry List 1-8 (above), you must present your ID card for verification prior to the completion of the transaction or service.

We would need to create a nationwide authentication/validation system similar to those used when somebody runs a credit card prior to completing a sale.

The technology has been there for decades.

And the government would have to pick up the tab for not only the centralized database system but also the state-level start-up projects, and commercial pilot projects.

It would cost billions.

But it seems likely that it would be an order-of-magnitude less expensive than Hadrian's Trump's Wall.

And it would sure-as-hell be cheaper to SUSTAIN over several decades.

And it would be on helluva-lot more EFFECTIVE and would result in a myriad of side-benefits, with respect to authentication.

It might require that a new and Conservative -leaning Supreme Court overturn one or two of its old rulings related to Illegals using our schools and medical facilities, but, given the likely changes in the composition of the Court, both this year and in the near future, that should not present much of an obstacle.

It would also require the rescission of a few statutes and the crafting of a few others, that would stand the test of scrutiny by a new and Conservative SCOTUS. No problem.

Imagine... if you're an Illegal Aliens, and you can't get a job, or buy or rent a house or apartment or car or hold a bank account or wire money home or any of the rest of the things we see on the list 1-8 above...

You're not going to hang around...

You're going to pack your bags, scoop-up the wife and kiddies, and get the hell outta Dodge while the getting is still good, at your own expense, and that, damned quick...

You'll also know that there's no point in coming back without permission... no point in sneaking back across the border... no point in overstaying your visa... you won't bother.

Same goes for others who were thinking about trying to sneak in or obtain a visa and then over-stay... they won't bother... they'll be no point in even trying.

And all for a price one helluva lot cheaper than some stupid Hadrian's Trump's Wall that isn't going to work anyway.

Think, people... THINK !!!

The time for a nuanced discussion of cost benefit on HOW to best stop illegal immigration was back in the 90s.

Instead the left choose to shut down serious debate with the Race Card. And both sides used delaying tactics.

Now we are going to do EVERYTHING AND DO IT NOW.

THe wall. more ICE agents. empowering locals. going after employers. ect. ect.

 

[Correll]

gn f

The wall is moving forward. Congress is set to act on providing financing and work will begin in months. No lies in any of that. As I said, you're just out to call names against a Republican. You have nothing of substance to add to anything.

It could be kinda cool. I know people who were present when the Berlin Wall came down. Maybe I'll have the chance to watch this one fall.

Yeah, because people trying to flee the most repressive regime this world has ever seen is the equivalent of a nation trying to protect its own interests. Hey, maybe it will come true for you. America is the land of dreams.

Home of the free, land of the brave, hiding behind a wall.

Fucking ignorant cowards.

Ignoring real danger is not bravery, it is the act of a fool.


Man accused of rape had been deported or removed from the country 19 times


"An illegal immigrant from Mexico who is accused of raping a 13-year-old girl on a Greyhound bus in Kansas had previously left and returned to the United States a combined 19 times.

Tomas Martinez-Maldonado, 38, had been deported 10 times and voluntarily removed another nine times, "

So you believe the story?
Sheriff: Suspect jailed for alleged rape on I-70 bus trip

Yes, I do.

 

[TooTall]

Are you claiming that they literally just put up a wall with no propaganda surrounding it at all?

Yes! Communists don't need to "sell" anything in a country they forcefully occupy, such as east Germany after WWII and during the cold war.

So what was the purpose of Pravda?

And why is North Korea the most propagandized population on the planet today? Surely there's no need for it.

What you call propagandized I call enslaved. It is just a matter of semantics.

After a quick search I found out I was right! Happy day.

The Eastern Bloc claimed that the Wall was erected to protect its population from fascist elements conspiring to prevent the "will of the people" in building a socialist state in East Germany. In practice, the Wall served to prevent the massive emigration and defection that had marked East Germany and the communist Eastern Bloc during the post-World War II period.

The Berlin Wall was officially referred to as the "Anti-Fascist Protective Wall" (German: Antifaschistischer Schutzwall) by GDR authorities, implying that the NATO countries and West Germany in particular were considered equal to "fascists" by GDR propaganda.

The Berlin Wall

So I won the bet. Feels good.

This is the propaganda that the USSR used to fool you with.

"The Eastern Bloc claimed that the Wall was erected to protect its population from fascist elements conspiring to prevent the "will of the people" in building a socialist state in East Germany."

This is the actual reason for the wall, and it closely resembles slavery.

"In practice, the Wall served to prevent the massive emigration and defection that had marked East Germany and the communist Eastern Bloc during the post-World War II period."

You lose, and I didn't even have to look it up. You just kept digging didn't you?

 

[BrokeLoser]

There are ways to make Mexico pay. I'm sure Trump will explore the options. But that being said, at this point i just want it done. Build the wall, secure the border. Do whatever it takes to get it done. I don't wanna hear anymore excuses. If Trump puts in the effort to rebuild Obama's dismantled Immigration System, he'll always have my support.

Trump will face a backlash from congress who has never been very receptive to building a wall. Now if there was an iron clad reimbursement program, I think most republicans would support it. However with a program that Republicans have estimated to cost 15 to 25 billion that could possibly run twice that, it would be a hard sell to congress without guaranteed reimbursement.

I suspect the pitch to congress will sound something like this:
President Trump - "A wall will cost 15-25 billion, the large majority being a one time expense...another 10 million Guadalupe's and Pedro's dropping anchor babies at rodents pace and producing more of their taxpayer dependent same will cost American taxpayers far more over time and the related expenses are never ending. This is simple arithmetic people all you have to do is find your ball sack for once and do the right thing...FINALLY!"

 

[Kondor3]

...The time for a nuanced discussion of cost benefit on HOW to best stop illegal immigration was back in the 90s. Instead the left choose to shut down serious debate with the Race Card. And both sides used delaying tactics. Now we are going to do EVERYTHING AND DO IT NOW. THe wall. more ICE agents. empowering locals. going after employers. ect. ect.

Do you understand that you have a responsibility to facilitate good stewardship of the taxpayer's money?

The Wall represents a solution that is ultimately destined to fail and which cannot be sustained in pepetity.

Rendering the country toxic (financially and socially) to Illegal Aliens will cost far less and CAN be sustained and is a superior solution from a stewardship perspective.

Or have you (collectively, the proponents of The Wall) lost the ability to reason, and conduct the affairs of the Republic responsibly?

If you cannot tolerate discussion of the best way in which to accomplish necessary and common goals, then you will not remain in power very long.

Your choice.

 

[Penelope]

gn f
It could be kinda cool. I know people who were present when the Berlin Wall came down. Maybe I'll have the chance to watch this one fall.

Yeah, because people trying to flee the most repressive regime this world has ever seen is the equivalent of a nation trying to protect its own interests. Hey, maybe it will come true for you. America is the land of dreams.

Home of the free, land of the brave, hiding behind a wall.

Fucking ignorant cowards.

Ignoring real danger is not bravery, it is the act of a fool.


Man accused of rape had been deported or removed from the country 19 times


"An illegal immigrant from Mexico who is accused of raping a 13-year-old girl on a Greyhound bus in Kansas had previously left and returned to the United States a combined 19 times.

Tomas Martinez-Maldonado, 38, had been deported 10 times and voluntarily removed another nine times, "

So you believe the story?
Sheriff: Suspect jailed for alleged rape on I-70 bus trip

Yes, I do.

So some parents sent a 13 or 12 year old alone on a 1000 mile GH trip and it happened somewhere along the route. Who would do that?? The parents have a lot to answer to, and
he raped her on a GH bus, and no one , even the bus driver knew where this happened??


Oh my gosh.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Yeah, because people trying to flee the most repressive regime this world has ever seen is the equivalent of a nation trying to protect its own interests. Hey, maybe it will come true for you. America is the land of dreams.

Home of the free, land of the brave, hiding behind a wall.

Fucking ignorant cowards.

Ignoring real danger is not bravery, it is the act of a fool.


Man accused of rape had been deported or removed from the country 19 times


"An illegal immigrant from Mexico who is accused of raping a 13-year-old girl on a Greyhound bus in Kansas had previously left and returned to the United States a combined 19 times.

Tomas Martinez-Maldonado, 38, had been deported 10 times and voluntarily removed another nine times, "

So you believe the story?
Sheriff: Suspect jailed for alleged rape on I-70 bus trip

Yes, I do.

So some parents sent a 13 or 12 year old alone on a 1000 mile GH trip and it happened somewhere along the route. Who would do that?? The parents have a lot to answer to, and
he raped her on a GH bus, and no one , even the bus driver knew where this happened??


Oh my gosh.

What retarded piece of shit parents huh?..I won't be at all surprised to find out the parents are illegals as well.
In an attempt to decriminalize the perpetrator I'll bet there are whack-job liberals who will think it was the parents fault that it happened. Your thoughts Penelope?

 

[Correll]

...The time for a nuanced discussion of cost benefit on HOW to best stop illegal immigration was back in the 90s. Instead the left choose to shut down serious debate with the Race Card. And both sides used delaying tactics. Now we are going to do EVERYTHING AND DO IT NOW. THe wall. more ICE agents. empowering locals. going after employers. ect. ect.

Do you understand that you have a responsibility to facilitate good stewardship of the taxpayer's money?

The Wall represents a solution that is ultimately destined to fail and which cannot be sustained in pepetity.

Rendering the country toxic (financially and socially) to Illegal Aliens will cost far less and CAN be sustained and is a superior solution from a stewardship perspective.

Or have you (collectively, the proponents of The Wall) lost the ability to reason, and conduct the affairs of the Republic responsibly?

If you cannot tolerate discussion of the best way in which to accomplish necessary and common goals, then you will not remain in power very long.

Your choice.

THe failure of stewardship is that we have been allowing opponents to delay action for decades.

Whether smearing good people or quibbling over details of the best possible use of money.

And while that has been going on, people have been paying real life prices for that.


Do it all, do it now.

 

[dblack]

Their actions, such as choosing to violate our Sovereignty, is their responsibility.

Keep in mind it is not the goverment of Mexico that violates US Sovereignty, nor is it the 120 million people that live there and never cross our boarder illegally.

Just as the US is not responsible for acts of of a small percent of our citizens abroad, neither is Mexico. I really don't understand why so many people think it's Mexico's responsibility to secure our boarders. Are we really that inept that we need their help?

If our citizens were flowing into Mexico, against the wishes of Mexico, their government would complain and our government would take steps to address the problem.

Mexico is responsible for their actions.

Remember the Alamo!

I admit we were less friendly to Mexico in the past.

But do you know how those Americans ended up IN Mexico?

The Alamo is in Texas.

Heh... that's the point, goofball. It used to be in Mexico. It's an interesting story:

After Mexico achieved its independence from Spain, it began inviting US immigrants to settle its northern territories (Texas). Americans were eager to seize the opportunity, but after severals years of this policy, conservatives in Mexico became worried about the influx of foreigners and passed a law attempting to close the border.

But, when you have opportunity and jobs on one side of a border, and people eager to work on another - it's naive to imagine it can be closed. The illegal immigrants ignored the law and continued to pour into Texas. Rather than adopt a 'melting pot' policy, and welcome the immigrants as a part of their nation, the Mexican government fought the change. And they lost.

 

[Correll]

Yeah, because people trying to flee the most repressive regime this world has ever seen is the equivalent of a nation trying to protect its own interests. Hey, maybe it will come true for you. America is the land of dreams.

Home of the free, land of the brave, hiding behind a wall.

Fucking ignorant cowards.

Ignoring real danger is not bravery, it is the act of a fool.


Man accused of rape had been deported or removed from the country 19 times


"An illegal immigrant from Mexico who is accused of raping a 13-year-old girl on a Greyhound bus in Kansas had previously left and returned to the United States a combined 19 times.

Tomas Martinez-Maldonado, 38, had been deported 10 times and voluntarily removed another nine times, "

So you believe the story?
Sheriff: Suspect jailed for alleged rape on I-70 bus trip

Yes, I do.

So some parents sent a 13 or 12 year old alone on a 1000 mile GH trip and it happened somewhere along the route. Who would do that?? The parents have a lot to answer to, and
he raped her on a GH bus, and no one , even the bus driver knew where this happened??


Oh my gosh.

If our border was secure, that rapist would have not been on the bus to rape the girl.


He had been deported nineteen times.


Build...the... fucking... wall.

 

[Correll]

Keep in mind it is not the goverment of Mexico that violates US Sovereignty, nor is it the 120 million people that live there and never cross our boarder illegally.

Just as the US is not responsible for acts of of a small percent of our citizens abroad, neither is Mexico. I really don't understand why so many people think it's Mexico's responsibility to secure our boarders. Are we really that inept that we need their help?

If our citizens were flowing into Mexico, against the wishes of Mexico, their government would complain and our government would take steps to address the problem.

Mexico is responsible for their actions.

Remember the Alamo!

I admit we were less friendly to Mexico in the past.

But do you know how those Americans ended up IN Mexico?

The Alamo is in Texas.

Heh... that's the point, goofball. It used to be in Mexico. It's an interesting story:

After Mexico achieved its independence from Spain, it began inviting US immigrants to settle its northern territories (Texas). Americans were eager to seize the opportunity, but after severals years of this policy, conservatives in Mexico became worried about the influx of foreigners and passed a law attempting to close the border.

But, when you have opportunity and jobs on one side of a border, and people eager to work on another - it's naive to imagine it can be closed. The illegal immigrants ignored the law and continued to pour into Texas. Rather than adopt a 'melting pot' policy, and welcome the immigrants as a new part of their new nation, the Mexican government fought the change. And they lost.

Actually, the Mexican government required that Americans become Mexican citizens, and tried to "Assimilate" them.

That is the policy that allowed Texas to become dominated by Americans.

Naturally, despite what the paperwork said, the Americans were still Americans, and eventually got tired of living under Mexican rule.

 

[dblack]

If our citizens were flowing into Mexico, against the wishes of Mexico, their government would complain and our government would take steps to address the problem.

Mexico is responsible for their actions.

Remember the Alamo!

I admit we were less friendly to Mexico in the past.

But do you know how those Americans ended up IN Mexico?

The Alamo is in Texas.

Heh... that's the point, goofball. It used to be in Mexico. It's an interesting story:

After Mexico achieved its independence from Spain, it began inviting US immigrants to settle its northern territories (Texas). Americans were eager to seize the opportunity, but after severals years of this policy, conservatives in Mexico became worried about the influx of foreigners and passed a law attempting to close the border.

But, when you have opportunity and jobs on one side of a border, and people eager to work on another - it's naive to imagine it can be closed. The illegal immigrants ignored the law and continued to pour into Texas. Rather than adopt a 'melting pot' policy, and welcome the immigrants as a new part of their new nation, the Mexican government fought the change. And they lost.

Actually, the Mexican government required that Americans become Mexican citizens, and tried to "Assimilate" them.

That is the policy that allowed Texas to become dominated by Americans.

Naturally, despite what the paperwork said, the Americans were still Americans, and eventually got tired of living under Mexican rule.

Law of April 6, 1830 - Wikipedia

 

[Correll]

Remember the Alamo!

I admit we were less friendly to Mexico in the past.

But do you know how those Americans ended up IN Mexico?

The Alamo is in Texas.

Heh... that's the point, goofball. It used to be in Mexico. It's an interesting story:

After Mexico achieved its independence from Spain, it began inviting US immigrants to settle its northern territories (Texas). Americans were eager to seize the opportunity, but after severals years of this policy, conservatives in Mexico became worried about the influx of foreigners and passed a law attempting to close the border.

But, when you have opportunity and jobs on one side of a border, and people eager to work on another - it's naive to imagine it can be closed. The illegal immigrants ignored the law and continued to pour into Texas. Rather than adopt a 'melting pot' policy, and welcome the immigrants as a new part of their new nation, the Mexican government fought the change. And they lost.

Actually, the Mexican government required that Americans become Mexican citizens, and tried to "Assimilate" them.

That is the policy that allowed Texas to become dominated by Americans.

Naturally, despite what the paperwork said, the Americans were still Americans, and eventually got tired of living under Mexican rule.

Law of April 6, 1830 - Wikipedia

Yep. After they fucked up by allowing immigration.

General Colonization Law - Wikipedia


"Many Mexicans believed that a new method for increasing population along the frontiers was necessary.[1] The sparse settlements were vulnerable to attacks from native tribes and for encroachment by foreign powers. The most vulnerable was Texas; early in 1821 the town of Goliad had been captured by American filibusters as part of the Long Expedition.[3] By 1823, approximately 3,000 Americans from the United States were living illegally in Texas. The roughly 200 Mexican troops garrisoned in the province were unable to effectively patrol the borders to keep out additional squatters, nor were they powerful enough to evict the squatters already there. Proponents of immigration reform argued that legalizing these settlers would help to turn their loyalty towards Mexico."



"Mexican liberals argued in favor of allowing foreigners to immigrate. This would satisfy multiple objectives, including promoting economic growth, increasing the number of males available to defend the country, and bringing new capital and skills into the country to replace those lost when many Spaniards were expelled or chose to leave the country. Proponents of immigration pointed to the United States' population growth, attributed largely to immigration. Opponents cautioned that there may be difficulties in attracting settlers and later assimilating them to Mexican mores.[1]"


Seems like maybe the anti-immigration people had a point.

And the liberals ended up giving away half of their nation.

Dumbasses.

 

[dblack]

Yep. After they fucked up by allowing immigration.

Agreed. After the fact is too late. Maybe Trump needs to build a time machine.

 

[Correll]

Yep. After they fucked up by allowing immigration.

Agreed. After the fact is too late. Maybe Trump needs to build a time machine.

There is no doubt about it. We fucked up BIG TIME, just like the Mexicans in 1824.

 

[bodecea]

If our citizens were flowing into Mexico, against the wishes of Mexico, their government would complain and our government would take steps to address the problem.

Mexico is responsible for their actions.

Remember the Alamo!

I admit we were less friendly to Mexico in the past.

But do you know how those Americans ended up IN Mexico?

The Alamo is in Texas.

Heh... that's the point, goofball. It used to be in Mexico. It's an interesting story:

After Mexico achieved its independence from Spain, it began inviting US immigrants to settle its northern territories (Texas). Americans were eager to seize the opportunity, but after severals years of this policy, conservatives in Mexico became worried about the influx of foreigners and passed a law attempting to close the border.

But, when you have opportunity and jobs on one side of a border, and people eager to work on another - it's naive to imagine it can be closed. The illegal immigrants ignored the law and continued to pour into Texas. Rather than adopt a 'melting pot' policy, and welcome the immigrants as a new part of their new nation, the Mexican government fought the change. And they lost.

Actually, the Mexican government required that Americans become Mexican citizens, and tried to "Assimilate" them.

That is the policy that allowed Texas to become dominated by Americans.

Naturally, despite what the paperwork said, the Americans were still Americans, and eventually got tired of living under Mexican rule.

They didn't like that "no slaves" clause.