BUILD THE WALL. I don't give a damn who pays for it. Me, you or the man on the moon. Build it.

[Yarddog]

I dont really think the Mexican government wants to drive away American citizens and Walmart. I would say it's way to early to panic about anything. At some point there will be some real negotiation.

 

[Dschrute3]

There are ways to make Mexico pay. I'm sure Trump will explore the options. But that being said, at this point i just want it done. Build the wall, secure the border. Do whatever it takes to get it done. I don't wanna hear anymore excuses. If Trump puts in the effort to rebuild Obama's dismantled Immigration System, he'll always have my support.

Trump will face a backlash from congress who has never been very receptive to building a wall. Now if there was an iron clad reimbursement program, I think most republicans would support it. However with a program that Republicans have estimated to cost 15 to 25 billion that could possibly run twice that, it would be a hard sell to congress without guaranteed reimbursement.

Since it took 6 years to build a 700 mile fence, how long would it take to build a 2000 mile wall which would include both fencing and road as well the wall. Since 1000 miles of the wall would crisscross through hundreds of parcels of private property, environmental sensitive areas, and Indian land, court challenges, negotiations, and eminent domain could take years. It really seem unlikely that the project could be complete during Trump's term in office no matter how much Trump pushed it. And we know what would happen to the project once democrats got control of any branch of government.

I hear ya, it's a long shot. But if Trump truly puts in the effort to secure our Border and rebuild Obama's dismantled Immigration System, he'll maintain his supporters' loyalty. He has to at least try.

 

[Yarddog]

Revealed: How immigrants in America are sending $120 BILLION to their struggling families back home | Daily Mail Online

so about 20 billion going to Mexico each year. maybe we should just add an extra tax on this I'm sure it could generate at least a few hundred million a year towards the wall. at least.

How is the government going to tax an illegal immigrant?

tax the western union transaction

An the US mail, Internet transactions, business transactions, and Mexican embassy and consulate diplomatic communications? Nope.

SO do what you can. Right now a lot of money is sent Western Union or Money Gram. They will continue to do it even with a tax because you can send money in minutes

The problem is that there is no way to tell who is an illegal immigrant sending money home. So US citizens and businesses would pay most of the tax. Who knows how illegal immigrants will send money home. The simplest way although not the most secure is to put money in an envelope and mail it come. Keep in mind that about 40% of illegal immigrants are not from Mexico. They are primarily from Central America but can be from any country. Of course any Mexican consulate could carry out the transaction. Also money can wired to almost any country and rewired to Mexico or wherever with an additional fee.

doesnt matter too much. If we know that Mexico is receiving billions of dollars from their people who are here illegally why is there a problem adding on a tax to all wires going into mexico? When they straighten out their side of the illegal immigration problem the tax can be lifted.

 

[Flopper]

How is the government going to tax an illegal immigrant?

tax the western union transaction

An the US mail, Internet transactions, business transactions, and Mexican embassy and consulate diplomatic communications? Nope.

SO do what you can. Right now a lot of money is sent Western Union or Money Gram. They will continue to do it even with a tax because you can send money in minutes

The problem is that there is no way to tell who is an illegal immigrant sending money home. So US citizens and businesses would pay most of the tax. Who knows how illegal immigrants will send money home. The simplest way although not the most secure is to put money in an envelope and mail it come. Keep in mind that about 40% of illegal immigrants are not from Mexico. They are primarily from Central America but can be from any country. Of course any Mexican consulate could carry out the transaction. Also money can wired to almost any country and rewired to Mexico or wherever with an additional fee.

Nobody cares WHERE they're from .... we just want them GONE.

To deport a person, you not only have to know where they originated but their country of origin has to accept them. Our working agreements with Mexico have been very good in the pass. It often takes no more than 24 to 48 hours to complete a deportation. However many countries, some in central American it takes a month and some countries never give permission. It will be interesting to see how Mexico and Central American countries react to Trump deportation plans. By law deportees can only be held 30 days after their deportation order is signed. If they are not deported, then they can ask for a complete review of their case which delays things even longer.

 

[Flopper]

I said it was the latest plan not the only plan. To my knowledge Trump has not put forward an alternate plan other than the Mexican goverment forking over billions of dollars which seems a bit unlikely.

However, the GOP has a plan in which firms that import goods or services from abroad would not be able to count those costs against their overall profits. In effect, corporations would be paying taxes on the value of anything they buy from abroad. This is a rather clever sleight of hand that would allow Trump to claim Mexico is paying for the wall when in reality American corporations and thus consumers would be.

I think what the Trump administration is ignoring is that while they make plans for their great beautiful 2000 mile wall, the Mexican Peso is falling like a rock. The knee jerk reaction is of course, so what. However, the falling value of the peso and thus the rise in value of the US dollar is very likely to stem the tide of the voluntary return of illegal immigrants back to Mexico. This has always been a key part of Trump's deportation plan. As the Mexican economy weakens and tens of millions of Mexicans head north, Trump's beautiful peaceful migration of illegal immigrants south, may well turn into something quite different.

Trump’s spokesman’s ‘easy way’ to make Mexico pay for the wall has been revealed

That's great, but it is not the responsibility of the US - or its taxpayers like me - to provide an economy for the mass poor of mexico to take advantage of. Its time for the Mexican and central american governments to start building functional societies and not depend upon the hated white gringo america to support them.

I agree. However, it should not be the responsibility of Mexico to secure the US boarder just because the US is either too inept or chooses not to spend the money to do so.

Their actions, such as choosing to violate our Sovereignty, is their responsibility.

Keep in mind it is not the goverment of Mexico that violates US Sovereignty, nor is it the 120 million people that live there and never cross our boarder illegally.

Just as the US is not responsible for acts of of a small percent of our citizens abroad, neither is Mexico. I really don't understand why so many people think it's Mexico's responsibility to secure our boarders. Are we really that inept that we need their help?

 

[Spare_change]

There are ways to make Mexico pay. I'm sure Trump will explore the options. But that being said, at this point i just want it done. Build the wall, secure the border. Do whatever it takes to get it done. I don't wanna hear anymore excuses. If Trump puts in the effort to rebuild Obama's dismantled Immigration System, he'll always have my support.

Trump will face a backlash from congress who has never been very receptive to building a wall. Now if there was an iron clad reimbursement program, I think most republicans would support it. However with a program that Republicans have estimated to cost 15 to 25 billion that could possibly run twice that, it would be a hard sell to congress without guaranteed reimbursement.

Since it took 6 years to build a 700 mile fence, how long would it take to build a 2000 mile wall which would include both fencing and road as well the wall. Since 1000 miles of the wall would crisscross through hundreds of parcels of private property, environmental sensitive areas, and Indian land, court challenges, negotiations, and eminent domain could take years. It really seem unlikely that the project could be complete during Trump's term in office no matter how much Trump pushed it. And we know what would happen to the project once democrats got control of any branch of government.

1) The Republicans can't vote against it - that's the platform they were elected on. That's 52 votes --- not a Democrat in Texas, Arizona, or New Mexico will vote against it - that's political suicide. Then, there is always financial advantage

2) Most of the EPA studies have already been completed, and given the current attitude toward environmental studies, they wouldn't dare get in the way of their boss right now. The 700 miles was built based on 3 different appropriations - thus, the delays. A single appropriation solves that problem. You will notice how quiet the people along the border have been. The governors of Arizona and New Mexico have both uttered the magic phrase - eminent domain - if land owners don't go along. I have no doubt Texas would follow suit.

3) There is a grand total of 75 miles of the border controlled by native Americans and they are amenable to the fence because of the massive drug trade crossing thru their lands. Ariz. Native Americans Feel Caught in Border Battle

You might as well resign yourself to the fact that there is going to be a wall.

 

[Spare_change]

tax the western union transaction

An the US mail, Internet transactions, business transactions, and Mexican embassy and consulate diplomatic communications? Nope.

SO do what you can. Right now a lot of money is sent Western Union or Money Gram. They will continue to do it even with a tax because you can send money in minutes

The problem is that there is no way to tell who is an illegal immigrant sending money home. So US citizens and businesses would pay most of the tax. Who knows how illegal immigrants will send money home. The simplest way although not the most secure is to put money in an envelope and mail it come. Keep in mind that about 40% of illegal immigrants are not from Mexico. They are primarily from Central America but can be from any country. Of course any Mexican consulate could carry out the transaction. Also money can wired to almost any country and rewired to Mexico or wherever with an additional fee.

Nobody cares WHERE they're from .... we just want them GONE.

To deport a person, you not only have to know where they originated but their country of origin has to accept them. Our working agreements with Mexico have been very good in the pass. It often takes no more than 24 to 48 hours to complete a deportation. However many countries, some in central American it takes a month and some countries never give permission. It will be interesting to see how Mexico and Central American countries react to Trump deportation plans. By law deportees can only be held 30 days after their deportation order is signed. If they are not deported, then they can ask for a complete review of their case which delays things even longer.

Simply solved .... no return, no foreign aid. Not a single country in Latin America can stand that kind of pressure.

 

[Flopper]

How is the government going to tax an illegal immigrant?

tax the western union transaction

An the US mail, Internet transactions, business transactions, and Mexican embassy and consulate diplomatic communications? Nope.

SO do what you can. Right now a lot of money is sent Western Union or Money Gram. They will continue to do it even with a tax because you can send money in minutes

The problem is that there is no way to tell who is an illegal immigrant sending money home. So US citizens and businesses would pay most of the tax. Who knows how illegal immigrants will send money home. The simplest way although not the most secure is to put money in an envelope and mail it come. Keep in mind that about 40% of illegal immigrants are not from Mexico. They are primarily from Central America but can be from any country. Of course any Mexican consulate could carry out the transaction. Also money can wired to almost any country and rewired to Mexico or wherever with an additional fee.

doesnt matter too much. If we know that Mexico is receiving billions of dollars from their people who are here illegally why is there a problem adding on a tax to all wires going into mexico? When they straighten out their side of the illegal immigration problem the tax can be lifted.

We have no way of knowing 2 billion dollars is actually sent home by illegal immigrants. Second, why would illegal immigrants choose to pay a tax to wire money home when there are a number of other cheaper alternatives, like mailing it or asking their cousin or neighbor to wire it for them. Third, the wire service will charge a higher rate to everyone if they have to verify every one's citizenship. And lastly, over 40% of the illegal immigrants come from other countries other than Mexico so how can we justify only taxing wire transfers to Mexico when nearly half the illegals come from elsewhere. This just does not make sense.

 

[Spare_change]

tax the western union transaction

An the US mail, Internet transactions, business transactions, and Mexican embassy and consulate diplomatic communications? Nope.

SO do what you can. Right now a lot of money is sent Western Union or Money Gram. They will continue to do it even with a tax because you can send money in minutes

The problem is that there is no way to tell who is an illegal immigrant sending money home. So US citizens and businesses would pay most of the tax. Who knows how illegal immigrants will send money home. The simplest way although not the most secure is to put money in an envelope and mail it come. Keep in mind that about 40% of illegal immigrants are not from Mexico. They are primarily from Central America but can be from any country. Of course any Mexican consulate could carry out the transaction. Also money can wired to almost any country and rewired to Mexico or wherever with an additional fee.

doesnt matter too much. If we know that Mexico is receiving billions of dollars from their people who are here illegally why is there a problem adding on a tax to all wires going into mexico? When they straighten out their side of the illegal immigration problem the tax can be lifted.

We have no way of knowing 2 billion dollars is actually sent home by illegal immigrants. Second, why would illegal immigrants choose to pay a tax to wire money home when there are a number of other cheaper alternatives, like mailing it or asking their cousin or neighbor to wire it for them. Third, the wire service will charge a higher rate to everyone if they have to verify every one's citizenship. And lastly, over 40% of the illegal immigrants come from other countries other than Mexico so how can we justify only taxing wire transfers to Mexico when nearly half the illegals come from elsewhere. This just does not make sense.

Actually, it's pretty simple - just tax ALL wire transfers crossing our borders. Companies don't use wire transfers any more -- there are much more secure, and faster, ways. Or, direct the banks to tax all non-corporate transfers. Who cares what country the money goes to? Tax it all ...

 

[LoneLaugher]

All you lefties are backing off your it won't get built mantra and shifting to a you'll pay for it mantra.

I don't care. Build it.

So fucking stupid.

 

[Flopper]

An the US mail, Internet transactions, business transactions, and Mexican embassy and consulate diplomatic communications? Nope.

SO do what you can. Right now a lot of money is sent Western Union or Money Gram. They will continue to do it even with a tax because you can send money in minutes

The problem is that there is no way to tell who is an illegal immigrant sending money home. So US citizens and businesses would pay most of the tax. Who knows how illegal immigrants will send money home. The simplest way although not the most secure is to put money in an envelope and mail it come. Keep in mind that about 40% of illegal immigrants are not from Mexico. They are primarily from Central America but can be from any country. Of course any Mexican consulate could carry out the transaction. Also money can wired to almost any country and rewired to Mexico or wherever with an additional fee.

Nobody cares WHERE they're from .... we just want them GONE.

To deport a person, you not only have to know where they originated but their country of origin has to accept them. Our working agreements with Mexico have been very good in the pass. It often takes no more than 24 to 48 hours to complete a deportation. However many countries, some in central American it takes a month and some countries never give permission. It will be interesting to see how Mexico and Central American countries react to Trump deportation plans. By law deportees can only be held 30 days after their deportation order is signed. If they are not deported, then they can ask for a complete review of their case which delays things even longer.

Simply solved .... no return, no foreign aid. Not a single country in Latin America can stand that kind of pressure.

1.7 billion dollars, less than a half of one percent of their GDP is share among 15 countries, most of the funds are for anti-drug operations and military funding which directly benefits the US. That's certainly not much leverage.

 

[rhodescholar]

I agree. However, it should not be the responsibility of Mexico to secure the US boarder just because the US is either too inept or chooses not to spend the money to do so.

Who cares if mexico pays for it or not? I simply want their people out of the US, along with the illegal chinese, Hondurans, nicaraguans, etc. Fed up with paying massive fucking taxes and seeing illegals in the news marching in cities waving mexican or foreign flags, its infuriating - and will lead to an uprising like you cannot believe.

 

[rhodescholar]

Coyotes now charge $250 to $500 leaving from Mexico and $1000 to $1500 from Central American. When the costs rise, then there's the 88,000 miles of US shore line which is virtually unprotected compared to a walled boarder.

Almost 50% of illegal immigrants come into the country legally through work permits and other visas but fail to leave when they expire. The wall will do nothing for this problem except make it harder to leave.

To illustrate how really ridiculous this wall is, consider the following. Pew estimates that the average yearly number of illegal immigrants from all countries entering by all means is 300,000/yr (180,000 crossing our southern boarder). That would amount to 493/day or only one illegal entry for every 4 miles of boarder wall at 7.5 million dolars a mile using McConnell's estimate of the cost of the wall as 15 billion. Do you realize just how expensive and ridiculous this is, particular when you consider that the wall will make it very difficult for the 178,000 that leave every year to do so?
Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

Why do you and the other liberals keep groaning about the wall, as if we exist in a vacuum? The wall will be built, AND there will be fines and other measures taken to attack the problem from every other direction.

 

[Darkwind]

gn f

Prefab. They get installed quick. Just ask the Palestinians.

I can hear Trump now. The was wall is FABoulus. PreFABulous.....

LOL

and how quickly will he get the money from the Mexicans.?

Who cares. It isn't as if you do. You are just looking for a way to demean a Republican.

Demean a Republican for lying?

lol

The wall is moving forward. Congress is set to act on providing financing and work will begin in months. No lies in any of that. As I said, you're just out to call names against a Republican. You have nothing of substance to add to anything.

It could be kinda cool. I know people who were present when the Berlin Wall came down. Maybe I'll have the chance to watch this one fall.

Yeah, because people trying to flee the most repressive regime this world has ever seen is the equivalent of a nation trying to protect its own interests. Hey, maybe it will come true for you. America is the land of dreams.

 

[rhodescholar]

It's quite likely that if the US continues there threats against Mexico, the country will fall into a deep recession sending millions of poor Mexicans north for US to deal with. Reactions are likely to be against US corporations such as Walmart with 2400 stores in Mexico and several thousand other US businesses in Mexico as well over 2 million US citizens living there. The DEA activities in Mexico would likely cease as well as cooperation with US immigration. Working agreements with dozens of US agencies from the CDC to the Dept of Commerce would likely cease.

Wrong, on many levels.

Its interesting how the left attacks the US and West for imperially stealing resources from poor countries - but not for taking their most valuable resource - their people.

By acting as a safety valve for the poor countries, it relieves them of the responsibility of building functional societies, as the rich elite in them can keep stealing from their country, and the mass poor get supported by the US. If the people are stuck in those countries, they will rise up and force those nations' governments to operate legitimately. An eternal safety valve is not a realistic option for the US, and it is long past time for these countries to grow up and feed their own.

 

[Darkwind]

Coyotes now charge $250 to $500 leaving from Mexico and $1000 to $1500 from Central American. When the costs rise, then there's the 88,000 miles of US shore line which is virtually unprotected compared to a walled boarder.

Almost 50% of illegal immigrants come into the country legally through work permits and other visas but fail to leave when they expire. The wall will do nothing for this problem except make it harder to leave.

To illustrate how really ridiculous this wall is, consider the following. Pew estimates that the average yearly number of illegal immigrants from all countries entering by all means is 300,000/yr (180,000 crossing our southern boarder). That would amount to 493/day or only one illegal entry for every 4 miles of boarder wall at 7.5 million dolars a mile using McConnell's estimate of the cost of the wall as 15 billion. Do you realize just how expensive and ridiculous this is, particular when you consider that the wall will make it very difficult for the 178,000 that leave every year to do so?
Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

Why do you and the other liberals keep groaning about the wall, as if we exist in a vacuum? The wall will be built, AND there will be fines and other measures taken to attack the problem from every other direction.

I'm actually kind of curious as to why they are making such a big deal of it, Myself. After all, if a wall doesn't work, then they really have nothing to fear. The free votes will keep pouring in.

 

[rhodescholar]

Simply solved .... no return, no foreign aid. Not a single country in Latin America can stand that kind of pressure.

I'd parachute the people in, or send them on a boat into one of their origin countries' ports and say "adios". I don't give a fuck whether their country of origin willingly accepts them or not, they are GONE.

 

[rhodescholar]

I'm actually kind of curious as to why they are making such a big deal of it, Myself. After all, if a wall doesn't work, then they really have nothing to fear. The free votes will keep pouring in.

Because the entire democraptic platform since 1965 has been based on identity politics supported by a huge lie; that illegals "help" this country.

ANYTHING that makes the general public aware that illegals are in actuality costing the US taxpayer hundreds of billions that could cause a backlash ending this lunatic charade, and therefore MUST be fiercely attacked by the democrats. It is their only method of sustaining the mass influx that they expect will lead to their inevitable ascent to unchallengeable power for decades to come.

 

[dblack]

gn f

and how quickly will he get the money from the Mexicans.?

Who cares. It isn't as if you do. You are just looking for a way to demean a Republican.

Demean a Republican for lying?

lol

The wall is moving forward. Congress is set to act on providing financing and work will begin in months. No lies in any of that. As I said, you're just out to call names against a Republican. You have nothing of substance to add to anything.

It could be kinda cool. I know people who were present when the Berlin Wall came down. Maybe I'll have the chance to watch this one fall.

Yeah, because people trying to flee the most repressive regime this world has ever seen is the equivalent of a nation trying to protect its own interests. Hey, maybe it will come true for you. America is the land of dreams.

Home of the free, land of the brave, hiding behind a wall.

Fucking ignorant cowards.

 

[Unkotare]

I agree. However, it should not be the responsibility of Mexico to secure the US boarder just because the US is either too inept or chooses not to spend the money to do so.

Who cares if mexico pays for it or not? I simply want their people out of the US, along with the illegal chinese, Hondurans, nicaraguans, etc. Fed up with paying massive fucking taxes and seeing illegals in the news marching in cities waving mexican or foreign flags, its infuriating - and will lead to an uprising like you cannot believe.

When?