Bulk of Farm Aid go to the Rich Corporate Farms.

[pknopp]

How is it? Because that is the argument. Where is the money coming from?

More than likely taxpayer funded FDA/USDA budget allotments...…...but that's still not stealing from one to give to another

This is money people freely give the FDA?

freely give at the point of a gun,,,

So, theft right?

in this case yes,,,

So, in your opinion will most (most, not all) support this because it promotes their brand of politics where they would condemn the same sort of thing in another example?

 

[pknopp]

The argument has been it's wrong to "steal" from some to give to another. Is that still true?

How is it stealing if the larger corps are getting the bulk of funds, because they're bigger and have larger operating costs????

How is it? Because that is the argument. Where is the money coming from?

More than likely taxpayer funded FDA/USDA budget allotments...…...but that's still not stealing from one to give to another

This is money people freely give the FDA?

Did you miss the part that said "taxpayer funded"??? Just like every government program is funded.


And btw...…..'Farm Aid' is still a privately funded & run assistance program for family farms


Then there's the government Grants to farmers both family & Corp.

Yes, "taxpayer funded". Just like the argument for health care, food stamps, rent assistance, etc.........

 

[JustAnotherNut]

More than likely taxpayer funded FDA/USDA budget allotments...…...but that's still not stealing from one to give to another

So, if tax payers refuse to give their tax dollars to support such a budget allotment, those taxpayers will be free to do so?

.

yeah right...…..just like any other tax we pay for programs we don't agree with

 

[pknopp]

More than likely taxpayer funded FDA/USDA budget allotments...…...but that's still not stealing from one to give to another

So, if tax payers refuse to give their tax dollars to support such a budget allotment, those taxpayers will be free to do so?

.

yeah right...…..just like any other tax we pay for programs we don't agree with

So what is your argument here?

 

[JustAnotherNut]

How is it stealing if the larger corps are getting the bulk of funds, because they're bigger and have larger operating costs????

How is it? Because that is the argument. Where is the money coming from?

More than likely taxpayer funded FDA/USDA budget allotments...…...but that's still not stealing from one to give to another

This is money people freely give the FDA?

Did you miss the part that said "taxpayer funded"??? Just like every government program is funded.


And btw...…..'Farm Aid' is still a privately funded & run assistance program for family farms


Then there's the government Grants to farmers both family & Corp.

Yes, "taxpayer funded". Just like the argument for health care, food stamps, rent assistance, etc.........

Yeah, those taxes we have to pay but rarely have a say how their spent. So what's your point this time?????? We shouldn't have to pay taxes for programs we don't agree with? Or that we should have to pay any taxes?? good luck with that

 

[pknopp]

How is it? Because that is the argument. Where is the money coming from?

More than likely taxpayer funded FDA/USDA budget allotments...…...but that's still not stealing from one to give to another

This is money people freely give the FDA?

Did you miss the part that said "taxpayer funded"??? Just like every government program is funded.


And btw...…..'Farm Aid' is still a privately funded & run assistance program for family farms


Then there's the government Grants to farmers both family & Corp.

Yes, "taxpayer funded". Just like the argument for health care, food stamps, rent assistance, etc.........

Yeah, those taxes we have to pay but rarely have a say how their spent. So what's your point this time?????? We shouldn't have to pay taxes for programs we don't agree with? Or that we should have to pay any taxes?? good luck with that

You know my point. You don't want to have to address it.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Trump's brand of Socialism is alive and well. I've long argued that everyone supports taking from one and giving to someone else, the only difference is which way the money flows.


Bulk of Trump's U.S. farm aid goes to biggest and wealthiest farmers -advocacy group

Bulk of Trump's U.S. farm aid goes to biggest and wealthiest farmers -advocacy group

OMG, you mean to tell us the highest producing farms receive the greatest amount of support? That's fucking crazy.

Socialism would mean everyone receives an equal share of misery.

So you accept taking from some to give to others?

Only when necessary. The idea is to support farming until China etc. play fair to the benefit of the USA. Let me know how you're going to eat without farming.

 

[pknopp]

Trump's brand of Socialism is alive and well. I've long argued that everyone supports taking from one and giving to someone else, the only difference is which way the money flows.


Bulk of Trump's U.S. farm aid goes to biggest and wealthiest farmers -advocacy group

Bulk of Trump's U.S. farm aid goes to biggest and wealthiest farmers -advocacy group

OMG, you mean to tell us the highest producing farms receive the greatest amount of support? That's fucking crazy.

Socialism would mean everyone receives an equal share of misery.

So you accept taking from some to give to others?

Only when necessary. The idea is to support farming until China etc. play fair to the benefit of the USA. Let me know how you're going to eat without farming.

I would suppose the same way as those we demand get kicked off public assistance.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

More than likely taxpayer funded FDA/USDA budget allotments...…...but that's still not stealing from one to give to another

This is money people freely give the FDA?

Did you miss the part that said "taxpayer funded"??? Just like every government program is funded.


And btw...…..'Farm Aid' is still a privately funded & run assistance program for family farms


Then there's the government Grants to farmers both family & Corp.

Yes, "taxpayer funded". Just like the argument for health care, food stamps, rent assistance, etc.........

Yeah, those taxes we have to pay but rarely have a say how their spent. So what's your point this time?????? We shouldn't have to pay taxes for programs we don't agree with? Or that we should have to pay any taxes?? good luck with that

You know my point. You don't want to have to address it.

Ac tually……..no I don't know your point.

In the OP you quote and say that it's 'Trumps brand of socialism' to give the bulk of funds to larger corporations. I and other posters here have fully explained WHY that is happening that isn't covered in any of your own posts or the politically biased article you linked too. And you keep bringing up how the funds are being stolen from one to give to another. We've already proven it's not stolen.

Taxes are paid to government, said government distributes those taxes to pay for programs the people have little or no say over how their spent or distributed...ok so if that's your idea of being 'stolen', so be it but it's still misleading and bullshit for a thread topic other than to start an argument over nothing

 

[progressive hunter]

More than likely taxpayer funded FDA/USDA budget allotments...…...but that's still not stealing from one to give to another

This is money people freely give the FDA?

freely give at the point of a gun,,,

So, theft right?

in this case yes,,,

So, in your opinion will most (most, not all) support this because it promotes their brand of politics where they would condemn the same sort of thing in another example?

I have no idea what others will think,,,
all I do know is what you just said is SOP for democrats and republicans

 

[progressive hunter]

This is money people freely give the FDA?

Did you miss the part that said "taxpayer funded"??? Just like every government program is funded.


And btw...…..'Farm Aid' is still a privately funded & run assistance program for family farms


Then there's the government Grants to farmers both family & Corp.

Yes, "taxpayer funded". Just like the argument for health care, food stamps, rent assistance, etc.........

Yeah, those taxes we have to pay but rarely have a say how their spent. So what's your point this time?????? We shouldn't have to pay taxes for programs we don't agree with? Or that we should have to pay any taxes?? good luck with that

You know my point. You don't want to have to address it.

Ac tually……..no I don't know your point.

In the OP you quote and say that it's 'Trumps brand of socialism' to give the bulk of funds to larger corporations. I and other posters here have fully explained WHY that is happening that isn't covered in any of your own posts or the politically biased article you linked too. And you keep bringing up how the funds are being stolen from one to give to another. We've already proven it's not stolen.

Taxes are paid to government, said government distributes those taxes to pay for programs the people have little or no say over how their spent or distributed...ok so if that's your idea of being 'stolen', so be it but it's still misleading and bullshit for a thread topic other than to start an argument over nothing

the constitution doesnt allow for those programs so that means the money is taken by force,,,ie stolen,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Trump's brand of Socialism is alive and well. I've long argued that everyone supports taking from one and giving to someone else, the only difference is which way the money flows.


Bulk of Trump's U.S. farm aid goes to biggest and wealthiest farmers -advocacy group

Bulk of Trump's U.S. farm aid goes to biggest and wealthiest farmers -advocacy group

OMG, you mean to tell us the highest producing farms receive the greatest amount of support? That's fucking crazy.

Socialism would mean everyone receives an equal share of misery.

So you accept taking from some to give to others?

Only when necessary. The idea is to support farming until China etc. play fair to the benefit of the USA. Let me know how you're going to eat without farming.

I would suppose the same way as those we demand get kicked off public assistance.

no reason to kick anyone off,,,just end the programs and let the states do it,,,

 

[pknopp]

This is money people freely give the FDA?

freely give at the point of a gun,,,

So, theft right?

in this case yes,,,

So, in your opinion will most (most, not all) support this because it promotes their brand of politics where they would condemn the same sort of thing in another example?

I have no idea what others will think,,,
all I do know is what you just said is SOP for democrats and republicans

It is. It's standard for both parties. Others understand this to be the point. The only difference is where the money goes.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Trump's brand of Socialism is alive and well. I've long argued that everyone supports taking from one and giving to someone else, the only difference is which way the money flows.


Bulk of Trump's U.S. farm aid goes to biggest and wealthiest farmers -advocacy group

Bulk of Trump's U.S. farm aid goes to biggest and wealthiest farmers -advocacy group

OMG, you mean to tell us the highest producing farms receive the greatest amount of support? That's fucking crazy.

Socialism would mean everyone receives an equal share of misery.

So you accept taking from some to give to others?

Only when necessary. The idea is to support farming until China etc. play fair to the benefit of the USA. Let me know how you're going to eat without farming.

I would suppose the same way as those we demand get kicked off public assistance.

LOL, What?

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Did you miss the part that said "taxpayer funded"??? Just like every government program is funded.


And btw...…..'Farm Aid' is still a privately funded & run assistance program for family farms


Then there's the government Grants to farmers both family & Corp.

Yes, "taxpayer funded". Just like the argument for health care, food stamps, rent assistance, etc.........

Yeah, those taxes we have to pay but rarely have a say how their spent. So what's your point this time?????? We shouldn't have to pay taxes for programs we don't agree with? Or that we should have to pay any taxes?? good luck with that

You know my point. You don't want to have to address it.

Ac tually……..no I don't know your point.

In the OP you quote and say that it's 'Trumps brand of socialism' to give the bulk of funds to larger corporations. I and other posters here have fully explained WHY that is happening that isn't covered in any of your own posts or the politically biased article you linked too. And you keep bringing up how the funds are being stolen from one to give to another. We've already proven it's not stolen.

Taxes are paid to government, said government distributes those taxes to pay for programs the people have little or no say over how their spent or distributed...ok so if that's your idea of being 'stolen', so be it but it's still misleading and bullshit for a thread topic other than to start an argument over nothing

the constitution doesnt allow for those programs so that means the money is taken by force,,,ie stolen,,,

Any taxes paid are technically taken by force since I doubt anyone wants to pay the Government at all...….regardless of how those funds are spent.

Then again we vote for things that we end up getting taxed for...….


So it's splitting some fine hairs of being stolen or given

 

[progressive hunter]

Yes, "taxpayer funded". Just like the argument for health care, food stamps, rent assistance, etc.........

Yeah, those taxes we have to pay but rarely have a say how their spent. So what's your point this time?????? We shouldn't have to pay taxes for programs we don't agree with? Or that we should have to pay any taxes?? good luck with that

You know my point. You don't want to have to address it.

Ac tually……..no I don't know your point.

In the OP you quote and say that it's 'Trumps brand of socialism' to give the bulk of funds to larger corporations. I and other posters here have fully explained WHY that is happening that isn't covered in any of your own posts or the politically biased article you linked too. And you keep bringing up how the funds are being stolen from one to give to another. We've already proven it's not stolen.

Taxes are paid to government, said government distributes those taxes to pay for programs the people have little or no say over how their spent or distributed...ok so if that's your idea of being 'stolen', so be it but it's still misleading and bullshit for a thread topic other than to start an argument over nothing

the constitution doesnt allow for those programs so that means the money is taken by force,,,ie stolen,,,

Any taxes paid are technically taken by force since I doubt anyone wants to pay the Government at all...….regardless of how those funds are spent.

Then again we vote for things that we end up getting taxed for...….


So it's splitting some fine hairs of being stolen or given

not the ones I agree to as per the constitution,,,

and the constitution cant be just voted on,, there are procedures in place that are very complicated and lengthy,,,

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Yeah, those taxes we have to pay but rarely have a say how their spent. So what's your point this time?????? We shouldn't have to pay taxes for programs we don't agree with? Or that we should have to pay any taxes?? good luck with that

You know my point. You don't want to have to address it.

Ac tually……..no I don't know your point.

In the OP you quote and say that it's 'Trumps brand of socialism' to give the bulk of funds to larger corporations. I and other posters here have fully explained WHY that is happening that isn't covered in any of your own posts or the politically biased article you linked too. And you keep bringing up how the funds are being stolen from one to give to another. We've already proven it's not stolen.

Taxes are paid to government, said government distributes those taxes to pay for programs the people have little or no say over how their spent or distributed...ok so if that's your idea of being 'stolen', so be it but it's still misleading and bullshit for a thread topic other than to start an argument over nothing

the constitution doesnt allow for those programs so that means the money is taken by force,,,ie stolen,,,

Any taxes paid are technically taken by force since I doubt anyone wants to pay the Government at all...….regardless of how those funds are spent.

Then again we vote for things that we end up getting taxed for...….


So it's splitting some fine hairs of being stolen or given

not the ones I agree to as per the constitution,,,

and the constitution cant be just voted on,, there are procedures in place that are very complicated and lengthy,,,

The problem here is that there are programs that we don't agree with or support, but enough other voters do and we are then 'forced' to pay for them...but that also works the other way...that some programs are paid for/supported by enough like minded voters, that others are 'forced' to pay for.


still splitting hairs

 

[progressive hunter]

You know my point. You don't want to have to address it.

Ac tually……..no I don't know your point.

In the OP you quote and say that it's 'Trumps brand of socialism' to give the bulk of funds to larger corporations. I and other posters here have fully explained WHY that is happening that isn't covered in any of your own posts or the politically biased article you linked too. And you keep bringing up how the funds are being stolen from one to give to another. We've already proven it's not stolen.

Taxes are paid to government, said government distributes those taxes to pay for programs the people have little or no say over how their spent or distributed...ok so if that's your idea of being 'stolen', so be it but it's still misleading and bullshit for a thread topic other than to start an argument over nothing

the constitution doesnt allow for those programs so that means the money is taken by force,,,ie stolen,,,

Any taxes paid are technically taken by force since I doubt anyone wants to pay the Government at all...….regardless of how those funds are spent.

Then again we vote for things that we end up getting taxed for...….


So it's splitting some fine hairs of being stolen or given

not the ones I agree to as per the constitution,,,

and the constitution cant be just voted on,, there are procedures in place that are very complicated and lengthy,,,

The problem here is that there are programs that we don't agree with or support, but enough other voters do and we are then 'forced' to pay for them...but that also works the other way...that some programs are paid for/supported by enough like minded voters, that others are 'forced' to pay for.


still splitting hairs

not splitting hairs if its not in the constitution,,,voters be damned,,,

 

[pknopp]

You know my point. You don't want to have to address it.

Ac tually……..no I don't know your point.

In the OP you quote and say that it's 'Trumps brand of socialism' to give the bulk of funds to larger corporations. I and other posters here have fully explained WHY that is happening that isn't covered in any of your own posts or the politically biased article you linked too. And you keep bringing up how the funds are being stolen from one to give to another. We've already proven it's not stolen.

Taxes are paid to government, said government distributes those taxes to pay for programs the people have little or no say over how their spent or distributed...ok so if that's your idea of being 'stolen', so be it but it's still misleading and bullshit for a thread topic other than to start an argument over nothing

the constitution doesnt allow for those programs so that means the money is taken by force,,,ie stolen,,,

Any taxes paid are technically taken by force since I doubt anyone wants to pay the Government at all...….regardless of how those funds are spent.

Then again we vote for things that we end up getting taxed for...….


So it's splitting some fine hairs of being stolen or given

not the ones I agree to as per the constitution,,,

and the constitution cant be just voted on,, there are procedures in place that are very complicated and lengthy,,,

The problem here is that there are programs that we don't agree with or support, but enough other voters do and we are then 'forced' to pay for them...but that also works the other way...that some programs are paid for/supported by enough like minded voters, that others are 'forced' to pay for.


still splitting hairs

Many argue that things like this are wrong. I have other issues with some here being principled on that idea but I at least respect that.

For the majority IMO it's only wrong based upon who is divvying up the money.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

More than likely taxpayer funded FDA/USDA budget allotments...…...but that's still not stealing from one to give to another

So, if tax payers refuse to give their tax dollars to support such a budget allotment, those taxpayers will be free to do so?

.

yeah right...…..just like any other tax we pay for programs we don't agree with

Well, yes, but there is a huge difference.

This is not taking from all to support military or create infrastructure. This is literally is taking from one and giving to another...without consent.

We normally call that stealing. For some reason, when government does it, it's not stealing to take from one and give to another who did not earn it.

.