Bush didn't just lie........

Redfish said:
The Rabbi said:
Redfish said:
rightwinger said:
Redfish said:
rightwinger said:
Yes, it was Bushs fault

Because his simplistic plan of reshaping the Islamic world in his image never had a chance of working
He created bedlam that spread throughout the Muslim world. Bush stirred up the hornets nest of centuries of hatred and suppression and left it to future presidents to fix
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you attribute the powers of a great leader of men to Bush. You put his oratorial skills and ability to rally human beings on a par with Ghandi or Buddha. In your mind he convinced briliant people like the clintons and the dems in congress to ignore facts and blindly follow him. Or, are you saying that the dems were too stupid to think for themselves and interpret the intel differently?

Your high praise of Bush's intellectual and persuasion skills seems somewhat misplaced since you hate him. But you are a liberal, so---------------------------------------------
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No, I put Bushs oratory skills on the level of being able to exploit post 9-11 fear in the American people, make people think Iran was an immediate threat, imply that Saddam was leading terrorist threats......in other words....lie to justify a war
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So, lets see if I understand what you are now claiming.

You are saying that Bush convinced the dems and the rest of the world that Saddam needed to be taken out by force. To do that he used intel from the Clinton administration, intel that the dems, the UN, and everyone else had full access to. But Bush, and Bush alone, convinced the entire world to accept it when it was obviously false.

Is that your position? If so, you really need some psychiatric help.
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No. Bush was the biggest idiot ever, says the Left. So Dick Cheney, who had no financial interest in how Halliburton did, convicned him to invade Iraq so he could make money from his Halliburton non-investments.
Seriously, the believe this shit.
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exactly, first they say that Bush was a complete raving idiot, and then they give him credit for convincing the entire world to accept flawed intel.
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The list of contradictions would fill this board. Bush was an idiot. Bush was an evil genius. Bush crashed teh economy. Obama rescued the economy. Bush was for the rich even though under Obama the rich have done better than they ever did uner Bush. It goes on and on.
It's because they're stupid.
 
The Rabbi said:
Redfish said:
Faun said:
Lakhota said:
Bush did much more than lie...
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It's quite amazing how many of the people who insist Hillary is not fit to be president because 4 people are dead due to her lack of protecting them; are the same folks who voted to re-elect Bush after 3,000 people died when Bush failed to protect us.
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the 9/11 pilots got their US visas and pilot training during the clinton administration.
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Faun is a weapons-grade moron working with 2 brain cells attached by a spyrochete.
We know what Hillary should have done. But no one can say what Bush should have done.
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Oh? What would Hillary have done? Ten cyberbucks says you can't answer that with a lucid response....
 
Faun said:
The Rabbi said:
Redfish said:
Faun said:
Lakhota said:
Bush did much more than lie...
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It's quite amazing how many of the people who insist Hillary is not fit to be president because 4 people are dead due to her lack of protecting them; are the same folks who voted to re-elect Bush after 3,000 people died when Bush failed to protect us.
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the 9/11 pilots got their US visas and pilot training during the clinton administration.
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Faun is a weapons-grade moron working with 2 brain cells attached by a spyrochete.
We know what Hillary should have done. But no one can say what Bush should have done.
Click to expand...
Oh? What would Hillary have done? Ten cyberbucks says you can't answer that with a lucid response....
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How about taking Ambassador's Steven's recommendations for additional security instead of actually cutting security personnel?
You lose.
 
Faun said:
Redfish said:
Faun said:
Lakhota said:
Bush did much more than lie...
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It's quite amazing how many of the people who insist Hillary is not fit to be president because 4 people are dead due to her lack of protecting them; are the same folks who voted to re-elect Bush after 3,000 people died when Bush failed to protect us.
Click to expand...


the 9/11 pilots got their US visas and pilot training during the clinton administration.
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Again, Clinton thwarted a similar threat. Terrorists tried again when Bush was president and pulled it off because Bush did nothing to prevent it.
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bullshit, there was no "similar threat" stopped by clinton. where do you get this shit?
 
Redfish said:
Faun said:
Redfish said:
Faun said:
Lakhota said:
Bush did much more than lie...
Click to expand...
It's quite amazing how many of the people who insist Hillary is not fit to be president because 4 people are dead due to her lack of protecting them; are the same folks who voted to re-elect Bush after 3,000 people died when Bush failed to protect us.
Click to expand...


the 9/11 pilots got their US visas and pilot training during the clinton administration.
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Again, Clinton thwarted a similar threat. Terrorists tried again when Bush was president and pulled it off because Bush did nothing to prevent it.
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bullshit, there was no "similar threat" stopped by clinton. where do you get this shit?
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He pulls it out of his ass.
There was a prior bombing at the WTC. It was very successful. Clinton did nothing.
 
Faun said:
Claudette said:
Faun said:
Lakhota said:
Bush did much more than lie...
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It's quite amazing how many of the people who insist Hillary is not fit to be president because 4 people are dead due to her lack of protecting them; are the same folks who voted to re-elect Bush after 3,000 people died when Bush failed to protect us.
Click to expand...

Well if your playing the blame game you should throw Clinton in there as well. AFter all, the whole thing was planned on his watch and he did nothing even with one of his FBI agents screaming bloody murder.
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Actually, in response to a similar threat, Clinton had airport security raised. That resulted in 2 terrorists getting arrested, zero planes hijacked, zero people killed, zero buildings bombed, zero twin towers destroyed. Terrorists tried again when Bush was president. In response to the warnings, unlike Clinton who raised airport security at suspected sites, Bush did absolutely nothing. That resulted in 4 planes hijacked, 3000 people killed, 3 buildings bombed, 2 twin towers destroyed.
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Yeah but he did nothing about the teams that trained on his watch and he sure as shit did nothing about a 9-11 that was totally planned on his watch.

He also lobbed a few missles into the ME and killed some camels. We should give credit where credit is due.

Oh but wait. I forgot. He did nothing about the Cole, the bombed embassies in Africa and he sure as shit didn't kill UBL when he had the chance. Yep. He did a great job.
 
Cheney owns shares in Haliburton. He refused to sell them or put them in a blind trust while VP.

Bush bullied the rest of the world into accepting his version of Saddam's capacity for WMDs. I guess you've forgotten boycotting French imports and "freedom" fries.

Most countries don't have sophisticated agencies for spying on other countries to counter bad Intel.

As for the bad intel, there were lots of people within the CIA who tried to tell Bush and Cheney there were no WMDs but their invitations to share information with the administration soon dried up. Bush was only listening to intel which reinforced his firmly held belief that Saddam was a danger to the U.S.

But keep pretending you weren't duped by someone who desperately wanted Saddam's oil
 
The Rabbi said:
Redfish said:
The Rabbi said:
Redfish said:
rightwinger said:
Redfish said:
you attribute the powers of a great leader of men to Bush. You put his oratorial skills and ability to rally human beings on a par with Ghandi or Buddha. In your mind he convinced briliant people like the clintons and the dems in congress to ignore facts and blindly follow him. Or, are you saying that the dems were too stupid to think for themselves and interpret the intel differently?

Your high praise of Bush's intellectual and persuasion skills seems somewhat misplaced since you hate him. But you are a liberal, so---------------------------------------------
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No, I put Bushs oratory skills on the level of being able to exploit post 9-11 fear in the American people, make people think Iran was an immediate threat, imply that Saddam was leading terrorist threats......in other words....lie to justify a war
Click to expand...


So, lets see if I understand what you are now claiming.

You are saying that Bush convinced the dems and the rest of the world that Saddam needed to be taken out by force. To do that he used intel from the Clinton administration, intel that the dems, the UN, and everyone else had full access to. But Bush, and Bush alone, convinced the entire world to accept it when it was obviously false.

Is that your position? If so, you really need some psychiatric help.
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No. Bush was the biggest idiot ever, says the Left. So Dick Cheney, who had no financial interest in how Halliburton did, convicned him to invade Iraq so he could make money from his Halliburton non-investments.
Seriously, the believe this shit.
Click to expand...


exactly, first they say that Bush was a complete raving idiot, and then they give him credit for convincing the entire world to accept flawed intel.
Click to expand...
The list of contradictions would fill this board. Bush was an idiot. Bush was an evil genius. Bush crashed teh economy. Obama rescued the economy. Bush was for the rich even though under Obama the rich have done better than they ever did uner Bush. It goes on and on.
It's because they're stupid.
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the defective liberal gene is alive and active in just under half of the american population, its a disease of epidemic proportions.

incarceration of the sick may be the only viable way to contain the disease.:beer:
 
Dragonlady said:
Cheney owns shares in Haliburton. He refused to sell them or put them in a blind trust while VP.

Bush bullied the rest of the world into accepting his version of Saddam's capacity for WMDs. I guess you've forgotten boycotting French imports and "freedom" fries.

Most countries don't have sophisticated agencies for spying on other countries to counter bad Intel.

As for the bad intel, there were lots of people within the CIA who tried to tell Bush and Cheney there were no WMDs but their invitations to share information with the administration soon dried up. Bush was only listening to intel which reinforced his firmly held belief that Saddam was a danger to the U.S.

But keep pretending you weren't duped by someone who desperately wanted Saddam's oil
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you live in a fantasy world of liberal bullshit. not a word of that is true.
 
Redfish said:
Dragonlady said:
Cheney owns shares in Haliburton. He refused to sell them or put them in a blind trust while VP.

Bush bullied the rest of the world into accepting his version of Saddam's capacity for WMDs. I guess you've forgotten boycotting French imports and "freedom" fries.

Most countries don't have sophisticated agencies for spying on other countries to counter bad Intel.

As for the bad intel, there were lots of people within the CIA who tried to tell Bush and Cheney there were no WMDs but their invitations to share information with the administration soon dried up. Bush was only listening to intel which reinforced his firmly held belief that Saddam was a danger to the U.S.

But keep pretending you weren't duped by someone who desperately wanted Saddam's oil
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you live in a fantasy world of liberal bullshit. not a word of that is true.
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Cheney did not own stock in Hallibuirton
Bush did not bully the rest of the world
Bush did not refer to French fries as freedom fries
Many countries have very sophisticated spying operations
The case against the WMDs was worse than the case for it, and the consequences of being wrong were enormous.
 
Freewill said:
rightwinger said:
RKMBrown said:
rightwinger said:
RKMBrown said:
rightwinger said:
Example?
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Obama was for the war to get votes before he was against the war to get votes before he was for the "real" war in afgainstan after he got elected before he was against the war bush started in the middle east, before he was for the war in 12 other countries, before... wait... I forget are the democrats for or again war now? Which of Obama's buddies are benefiting from these wars? Who was Hillary giving access to military secrets again? Who's been sending checks to the clintons?
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Obama loudly opposed the war.....where were you?

Obama has had to deal with the Islamic upheaval caused by Bush. He had avoided using boots on the ground and nation building to solve his problems

Now, Clinton staged attacks on bin Laden were labeled by Republicans as a diversion to take attention away from more important topics like blow job impeachment

Show where Obama has done anything like that
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He opposed it before he had a vote. Not really he gave a "unless" we get strong help clause. Meh.. then when he became a senator he vote for it multiple times. Obama owns this now. He's been POTUS for 7years. Bush is long gone.
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Hat part of "dumb war" don't you understand?
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I understand that part where guys like you who were more then happy to stay home belittle those who volunteered and went.
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I support them more than Bush did who was willing to send them to the ultimate sacrifice to satisfy his botched attempt at empire building
 
Redfish said:
Dragonlady said:
Cheney owns shares in Haliburton. He refused to sell them or put them in a blind trust while VP.

Bush bullied the rest of the world into accepting his version of Saddam's capacity for WMDs. I guess you've forgotten boycotting French imports and "freedom" fries.

Most countries don't have sophisticated agencies for spying on other countries to counter bad Intel.

As for the bad intel, there were lots of people within the CIA who tried to tell Bush and Cheney there were no WMDs but their invitations to share information with the administration soon dried up. Bush was only listening to intel which reinforced his firmly held belief that Saddam was a danger to the U.S.

But keep pretending you weren't duped by someone who desperately wanted Saddam's oil
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you live in a fantasy world of liberal bullshit. not a word of that is true.
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She's another one just like RW who should read the Woodward thread down the page.

Another lefty loon without a brain.
 
Freewill said:
The Rabbi said:
Freewill said:
rightwinger said:
RKMBrown said:
rightwinger said:
Obama loudly opposed the war.....where were you?

Obama has had to deal with the Islamic upheaval caused by Bush. He had avoided using boots on the ground and nation building to solve his problems

Now, Clinton staged attacks on bin Laden were labeled by Republicans as a diversion to take attention away from more important topics like blow job impeachment

Show where Obama has done anything like that
Click to expand...
He opposed it before he had a vote. Not really he gave a "unless" we get strong help clause. Meh.. then when he became a senator he vote for it multiple times. Obama owns this now. He's been POTUS for 7years. Bush is long gone.
Click to expand...
Hat part of "dumb war" don't you understand?
Click to expand...

I understand that part where guys like you who were more then happy to stay home belittle those who volunteered and went.
Click to expand...
I understand the part where the Left is butthurt that all their dire predictions of a "quagmire" failed to materialize and Bush won the war, despite Democrats declarign the war was lost as soon as it ceased being popular.
Click to expand...

I too understand that they are also said that 10 of thousands of Americans didn't die as they also predicted. Victory to the liberals was never going to happen. Obama has a surge in Afghanistan and the left hails the great leader, even though he himself declared failure.
Click to expand...

Victory didn't happen

They didn't treat us as liberators, it wasn't over in six months, they did not develop stable democracies
 
rightwinger said:
Freewill said:
rightwinger said:
RKMBrown said:
rightwinger said:
RKMBrown said:
Obama was for the war to get votes before he was against the war to get votes before he was for the "real" war in afgainstan after he got elected before he was against the war bush started in the middle east, before he was for the war in 12 other countries, before... wait... I forget are the democrats for or again war now? Which of Obama's buddies are benefiting from these wars? Who was Hillary giving access to military secrets again? Who's been sending checks to the clintons?
Click to expand...
Obama loudly opposed the war.....where were you?

Obama has had to deal with the Islamic upheaval caused by Bush. He had avoided using boots on the ground and nation building to solve his problems

Now, Clinton staged attacks on bin Laden were labeled by Republicans as a diversion to take attention away from more important topics like blow job impeachment

Show where Obama has done anything like that
Click to expand...
He opposed it before he had a vote. Not really he gave a "unless" we get strong help clause. Meh.. then when he became a senator he vote for it multiple times. Obama owns this now. He's been POTUS for 7years. Bush is long gone.
Click to expand...
Hat part of "dumb war" don't you understand?
Click to expand...

I understand that part where guys like you who were more then happy to stay home belittle those who volunteered and went.
Click to expand...

I support them more than Bush did who was willing to send them to the ultimate sacrifice to satisfy his botched attempt at empire building
Click to expand...
Did you serve them Thanksgiving dinner? Didja? Did Obama?
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rightwinger said:
Freewill said:
rightwinger said:
RKMBrown said:
rightwinger said:
RKMBrown said:
Obama was for the war to get votes before he was against the war to get votes before he was for the "real" war in afgainstan after he got elected before he was against the war bush started in the middle east, before he was for the war in 12 other countries, before... wait... I forget are the democrats for or again war now? Which of Obama's buddies are benefiting from these wars? Who was Hillary giving access to military secrets again? Who's been sending checks to the clintons?
Click to expand...
Obama loudly opposed the war.....where were you?

Obama has had to deal with the Islamic upheaval caused by Bush. He had avoided using boots on the ground and nation building to solve his problems

Now, Clinton staged attacks on bin Laden were labeled by Republicans as a diversion to take attention away from more important topics like blow job impeachment

Show where Obama has done anything like that
Click to expand...
He opposed it before he had a vote. Not really he gave a "unless" we get strong help clause. Meh.. then when he became a senator he vote for it multiple times. Obama owns this now. He's been POTUS for 7years. Bush is long gone.
Click to expand...
Hat part of "dumb war" don't you understand?
Click to expand...

I understand that part where guys like you who were more then happy to stay home belittle those who volunteered and went.
Click to expand...

I support them more than Bush did who was willing to send them to the ultimate sacrifice to satisfy his botched attempt at empire building
Click to expand...


or the ones that Obama sent to Iraq who died for nothing as he allowed ISIS to take over what they had won with their blood?

how about the 58,000 that kennedy and johnson sent to die in viet nam for nothing. Do you hold those two presidents accountable for those deaths?

you are such a fuckin hypocrite.
 
rightwinger said:
Freewill said:
The Rabbi said:
Freewill said:
rightwinger said:
RKMBrown said:
He opposed it before he had a vote. Not really he gave a "unless" we get strong help clause. Meh.. then when he became a senator he vote for it multiple times. Obama owns this now. He's been POTUS for 7years. Bush is long gone.
Click to expand...
Hat part of "dumb war" don't you understand?
Click to expand...

I understand that part where guys like you who were more then happy to stay home belittle those who volunteered and went.
Click to expand...
I understand the part where the Left is butthurt that all their dire predictions of a "quagmire" failed to materialize and Bush won the war, despite Democrats declarign the war was lost as soon as it ceased being popular.
Click to expand...

I too understand that they are also said that 10 of thousands of Americans didn't die as they also predicted. Victory to the liberals was never going to happen. Obama has a surge in Afghanistan and the left hails the great leader, even though he himself declared failure.
Click to expand...

Victory didn't happen

They didn't treat us as liberators, it wasn't over in six months, they did not develop stable democracies
Click to expand...
ROFL what's it like acting like a moron every day?
 
rightwinger said:
Freewill said:
The Rabbi said:
Freewill said:
rightwinger said:
RKMBrown said:
He opposed it before he had a vote. Not really he gave a "unless" we get strong help clause. Meh.. then when he became a senator he vote for it multiple times. Obama owns this now. He's been POTUS for 7years. Bush is long gone.
Click to expand...
Hat part of "dumb war" don't you understand?
Click to expand...

I understand that part where guys like you who were more then happy to stay home belittle those who volunteered and went.
Click to expand...
I understand the part where the Left is butthurt that all their dire predictions of a "quagmire" failed to materialize and Bush won the war, despite Democrats declarign the war was lost as soon as it ceased being popular.
Click to expand...

I too understand that they are also said that 10 of thousands of Americans didn't die as they also predicted. Victory to the liberals was never going to happen. Obama has a surge in Afghanistan and the left hails the great leader, even though he himself declared failure.
Click to expand...

Victory didn't happen

They didn't treat us as liberators, it wasn't over in six months, they did not develop stable democracies
Click to expand...
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rightwinger said:
Freewill said:
The Rabbi said:
Freewill said:
rightwinger said:
RKMBrown said:
He opposed it before he had a vote. Not really he gave a "unless" we get strong help clause. Meh.. then when he became a senator he vote for it multiple times. Obama owns this now. He's been POTUS for 7years. Bush is long gone.
Click to expand...
Hat part of "dumb war" don't you understand?
Click to expand...

I understand that part where guys like you who were more then happy to stay home belittle those who volunteered and went.
Click to expand...
I understand the part where the Left is butthurt that all their dire predictions of a "quagmire" failed to materialize and Bush won the war, despite Democrats declarign the war was lost as soon as it ceased being popular.
Click to expand...

I too understand that they are also said that 10 of thousands of Americans didn't die as they also predicted. Victory to the liberals was never going to happen. Obama has a surge in Afghanistan and the left hails the great leader, even though he himself declared failure.
Click to expand...

Victory didn't happen

They didn't treat us as liberators, it wasn't over in six months, they did not develop stable democracies
Click to expand...


wars cannot be won without hurting people. Truman understood that a won a war. I am not sure any president since truman has understood that basic truth.
 
Redfish said:
rightwinger said:
Redfish said:
rightwinger said:
Redfish said:
rightwinger said:
Of course Bush won the war, he had a banner made and everything
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it was basically won until obozo found a way to lose it. Tell the families of the soldiers who died in Ramadi that it was Bush's fault that they died for nothing. You fricken traitorous, left wing, asshole.
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Yes, it was Bushs fault

Because his simplistic plan of reshaping the Islamic world in his image never had a chance of working
He created bedlam that spread throughout the Muslim world. Bush stirred up the hornets nest of centuries of hatred and suppression and left it to future presidents to fix
Click to expand...


you attribute the powers of a great leader of men to Bush. You put his oratorial skills and ability to rally human beings on a par with Ghandi or Buddha. In your mind he convinced briliant people like the clintons and the dems in congress to ignore facts and blindly follow him. Or, are you saying that the dems were too stupid to think for themselves and interpret the intel differently?

Your high praise of Bush's intellectual and persuasion skills seems somewhat misplaced since you hate him. But you are a liberal, so---------------------------------------------
Click to expand...
No, I put Bushs oratory skills on the level of being able to exploit post 9-11 fear in the American people, make people think Iran was an immediate threat, imply that Saddam was leading terrorist threats......in other words....lie to justify a war
Click to expand...


So, lets see if I understand what you are now claiming.

You are saying that Bush convinced the dems and the rest of the world that Saddam needed to be taken out by force. To do that he used intel from the Clinton administration, intel that the dems, the UN, and everyone else had full access to. But Bush, and Bush alone, convinced the entire world to accept it when it was obviously false.

Is that your position? If so, you really need some psychiatric help.
Click to expand...

No, my position is that Bush exploited the fears of post 9-11 America. He bullied Democrats into supporting him out of fear they would mbe labled soft on terrorism and unpatriotic. With the exception of the UK, most of the world did not believe Saddam needed to be taken out by force

Bush saw an opportunity after 9-11 and was willing to abandon the war on terror to achieve his goals in Iraq
 
The Rabbi said:
Faun said:
The Rabbi said:
Redfish said:
Faun said:
Lakhota said:
Bush did much more than lie...
Click to expand...
It's quite amazing how many of the people who insist Hillary is not fit to be president because 4 people are dead due to her lack of protecting them; are the same folks who voted to re-elect Bush after 3,000 people died when Bush failed to protect us.
Click to expand...


the 9/11 pilots got their US visas and pilot training during the clinton administration.
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Faun is a weapons-grade moron working with 2 brain cells attached by a spyrochete.
We know what Hillary should have done. But no one can say what Bush should have done.
Click to expand...
Oh? What would Hillary have done? Ten cyberbucks says you can't answer that with a lucid response....
Click to expand...
How about taking Ambassador's Steven's recommendations for additional security instead of actually cutting security personnel?
You lose.
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Report: Officials say Stevens turned down extra Benghazi security
 
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