BUSTED!!! “Two Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable”

[IlarMeilyr]

Why did Carney only a week ago acknowledge that the idea came from the President's team?

Why did Lyin' Ryan say CON$ like him have been fighting for years for a sequester enforcement mechanism for spending caps?

Obama has often offered CON$ervative ideas to try to get past an impasse thrown up by the GOP.

“what conservatives like me have been fighting for, for years are statutory caps on spending, literally legal caps in law that says government agencies cannot spend over a set amount of money and if they breach that amount across the board sequester comes in to cut that spending. You can’t turn it out without a supermajority. We got that into law."
- Paul Ryan, August 2011

CAPS TO CONTROL FUTURE SPENDING
The framework imposes spending caps that would establish clear limits on future spending and serve as a barrier against government expansion while the economy grows. Failure to remain below these caps will trigger automatic across-the-board cuts (otherwise known as sequestration). This is the same mechanism used in the 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.
John Boehner, July 25, 2011

Maybe it's just me, but I find your posts difficult to read.

Anyway, your post seems to be just a deflection. The original post claims a big AHA moment. Upon inspection though, the GOP/Boehner "powerpoint" is attributed to an e-mail. So, that's just a big maybe.

But the President's own spokesman, his press secretary, advised the world that the idea for sequestration came from the President's team. So, either Carney was wrong or lying about that, only one week ago, or he was right.

If he was wrong, why did the President not correct him?

 

[nitroz]

Daily Kos huh?

Lets use another lefty source....

It is true that sequestration was the Obama administration's idea. White House officials proposed it as part of the agreement that resolved the 2011 debt ceiling fight. It was meant to act as a spur to make a bipartisan supercommittee reach an agreement on a package of spending cuts and tax increases that would reduce the national debt over time.

Whose Sequester Is It Anyway? : It's All Politics : NPR

Anything thats not a "lefty" source is a righty biased source.

Any neutral sources that tell the truth that you would love to link to?

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Daily Kos huh?

Lets use another lefty source....

It is true that sequestration was the Obama administration's idea. White House officials proposed it as part of the agreement that resolved the 2011 debt ceiling fight. It was meant to act as a spur to make a bipartisan supercommittee reach an agreement on a package of spending cuts and tax increases that would reduce the national debt over time.

Whose Sequester Is It Anyway? : It's All Politics : NPR

Anything thats not a "lefty" source is a righty biased source.

Any neutral sources that tell the truth that you would love to link to?

Unless you wish us to disregard the official comments from the White House, is it ok if we just stick with what Press Secretary Carney himself said as spokesman for the President?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Daily Kos huh?

Lets use another lefty source....

It is true that sequestration was the Obama administration's idea. White House officials proposed it as part of the agreement that resolved the 2011 debt ceiling fight. It was meant to act as a spur to make a bipartisan supercommittee reach an agreement on a package of spending cuts and tax increases that would reduce the national debt over time.

Whose Sequester Is It Anyway? : It's All Politics : NPR

The question isn't the source, but is the information accurate or inaccurate.

Did the GOP, in fact, have such a PowerPoint or did they not?

The BIGGER question is whether Carney got it right a week ago or should he be fired?

That's not a question, it's a weak effort to derail the thread.

 

[Oldstyle]

What we've got is another looming fiscal crisis because our current President doesn't lead...he campaigns. The sequester crisis is simply a symptom of the total gridlock we now have in Washington because Barack Obama doesn't have the first clue about what he's doing. We need spending cuts but that requires telling people they can't have as many "freebies" and Barry doesn't do telling people no.

We just got $43 dollars in tax increases for every $1 in cuts in the "fiscal cliff deal". So what does Obama ask for in his State of the Union address? More taxes and another massive spending package. So where are the cuts, progressives? Barry campaigned on "balance". He got his tax increases. So where are the spending cuts?

 

[IlarMeilyr]

The question isn't the source, but is the information accurate or inaccurate.

Did the GOP, in fact, have such a PowerPoint or did they not?

The BIGGER question is whether Carney got it right a week ago or should he be fired?

That's not a question, it's a weak effort to derail the thread.

No. It's not.

The OP cited a powerpoint that was obtained from Boehner's supossed e-mailing effort.

But what that says is at odds with what the WHITE HOUSE said only a week ago.

If you think we should disregard the President's Press Secretary as dishonest, inaccurate or misinformed, just say so.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Given the context of history it entirely likely that Boehner is the responsible (LOL, using that word to describe Boehner made me cringe) for sequestration.
Anyone see what the moron across the river from Boehner fell for?

McConnell?s office duped by The Onion-style piece on Gitmo | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

McConnell still is focused on attacking whatever Obama does, so facts matter nothing to him.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

There is only one logical conclusion.

If the Boehner e-mail powerpoint story is true, then Press Secretary Carney needs to be disregarded from now on.

 

[edthecynic]

Why did Carney only a week ago acknowledge that the idea came from the President's team?

Why did Lyin' Ryan say CON$ like him have been fighting for years for a sequester enforcement mechanism for spending caps?

Obama has often offered CON$ervative ideas to try to get past an impasse thrown up by the GOP.

“what conservatives like me have been fighting for, for years are statutory caps on spending, literally legal caps in law that says government agencies cannot spend over a set amount of money and if they breach that amount across the board sequester comes in to cut that spending. You can’t turn it out without a supermajority. We got that into law."
- Paul Ryan, August 2011

CAPS TO CONTROL FUTURE SPENDING
The framework imposes spending caps that would establish clear limits on future spending and serve as a barrier against government expansion while the economy grows. Failure to remain below these caps will trigger automatic across-the-board cuts (otherwise known as sequestration). This is the same mechanism used in the 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.
John Boehner, July 25, 2011

Maybe it's just me, but I find your posts difficult to read.

Anyway, your post seems to be just a deflection. The original post claims a big AHA moment. Upon inspection though, the GOP/Boehner "powerpoint" is attributed to an e-mail. So, that's just a big maybe.

But the President's own spokesman, his press secretary, advised the world that the idea for sequestration came from the President's team. So, either Carney was wrong or lying about that, only one week ago, or he was right.

If he was wrong, why did the President not correct him?

Facts are always hard for the Misinformation Voter to comprehend.

Boner's powerpoint presentation was made to the GOP House just before they were to vote on the bill, and the Lyin' Ryan quote was him bragging about getting the sequester into the law that was just passed. So basically you are saying because Obama offered the GOP something they have wanted and had been fighting for for years to try to somehow move forward, Obama owns it even though the GOP took full credit for it after it was passed.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Why did Lyin' Ryan say CON$ like him have been fighting for years for a sequester enforcement mechanism for spending caps?

Obama has often offered CON$ervative ideas to try to get past an impasse thrown up by the GOP.

“what conservatives like me have been fighting for, for years are statutory caps on spending, literally legal caps in law that says government agencies cannot spend over a set amount of money and if they breach that amount across the board sequester comes in to cut that spending. You can’t turn it out without a supermajority. We got that into law."
- Paul Ryan, August 2011

CAPS TO CONTROL FUTURE SPENDING
The framework imposes spending caps that would establish clear limits on future spending and serve as a barrier against government expansion while the economy grows. Failure to remain below these caps will trigger automatic across-the-board cuts (otherwise known as sequestration). This is the same mechanism used in the 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.
John Boehner, July 25, 2011

Maybe it's just me, but I find your posts difficult to read.

Anyway, your post seems to be just a deflection. The original post claims a big AHA moment. Upon inspection though, the GOP/Boehner "powerpoint" is attributed to an e-mail. So, that's just a big maybe.

But the President's own spokesman, his press secretary, advised the world that the idea for sequestration came from the President's team. So, either Carney was wrong or lying about that, only one week ago, or he was right.

If he was wrong, why did the President not correct him?

Facts are always hard for the Misinformation Voter to comprehend.

Boner's powerpoint presentation was made to the GOP House just before they were to vote on the bill, and the Lyin' Ryan quote was him bragging about getting the sequester into the law that was just passed. So basically you are saying because Obama offered the GOP something they have wanted and had been fighting for for years to try to somehow move forward, Obama owns it even though the GOP took full credit for it after it was passed.

I think you probably meant to say "alleged" powerpoint presentation.

So, now all you have to do is prove it up.

In the meanwhile, that obviously would have come AFTER the idea got kicked around for a bit. The idea still had to have COME from somewhere. And the President's Press Secretary said it came from the PRESIDENT'S Team. I don't think Boehner was ever on Obama's team.

 

[edthecynic]

There is only one logical conclusion.

If the Boehner e-mail powerpoint story is true, then Press Secretary Carney needs to be disregarded from now on.

As I have already shown, Lyin' Ryan has already admitted that the sequester enforcement mechanism for spending caps is something he said CON$ have been fighting for FOR YEARS! Obama simply made a concession to the CON$ to try to move the process forward.

And Boner had the sequester posted on his web site before he made his powerpoint presentation to the GOP House just before the vote on the bill.

Two-Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable | Speaker.gov

CAPS TO CONTROL FUTURE SPENDING
The framework imposes spending caps that would establish clear limits on future spending and serve as a barrier against government expansion while the economy grows. Failure to remain below these caps will trigger automatic across-the-board cuts (otherwise known as sequestration). This is the same mechanism used in the 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.
John Boehner, July 25, 2011

 

[IlarMeilyr]

There is only one logical conclusion.

If the Boehner e-mail powerpoint story is true, then Press Secretary Carney needs to be disregarded from now on.

As I have already shown, Lyin' Ryan has already admitted that the sequester enforcement mechanism for spending caps is something he said CON$ have been fighting for FOR YEARS! Obama simply made a concession to the CON$ to try to move the process forward.

And Boner had the sequester posted on his web site before he made his powerpoint presentation to the GOP House just before the vote on the bill.

Two-Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable | Speaker.gov

CAPS TO CONTROL FUTURE SPENDING
The framework imposes spending caps that would establish clear limits on future spending and serve as a barrier against government expansion while the economy grows. Failure to remain below these caps will trigger automatic across-the-board cuts (otherwise known as sequestration). This is the same mechanism used in the 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.
John Boehner, July 25, 2011

Well then you must be contending that it is absurd to rely on anything ever said by the President's Press Secretary.

 

[Antares]

Poor kid, your own source doesn't preclude it from being Obama's idea.

No,it says there is enough blame to go around because Boehner "supported" the idea.

Learn to read your own sources kid.

Daily Kos huh?

Lets use another lefty source....

It is true that sequestration was the Obama administration's idea. White House officials proposed it as part of the agreement that resolved the 2011 debt ceiling fight. It was meant to act as a spur to make a bipartisan supercommittee reach an agreement on a package of spending cuts and tax increases that would reduce the national debt over time.

Whose Sequester Is It Anyway? : It's All Politics : NPR

Where are you getting 'Daily Kos' from, you mindless chimp?

 

[edthecynic]

There is only one logical conclusion.

If the Boehner e-mail powerpoint story is true, then Press Secretary Carney needs to be disregarded from now on.

As I have already shown, Lyin' Ryan has already admitted that the sequester enforcement mechanism for spending caps is something he said CON$ have been fighting for FOR YEARS! Obama simply made a concession to the CON$ to try to move the process forward.

And Boner had the sequester posted on his web site before he made his powerpoint presentation to the GOP House just before the vote on the bill.

Two-Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable | Speaker.gov

CAPS TO CONTROL FUTURE SPENDING
The framework imposes spending caps that would establish clear limits on future spending and serve as a barrier against government expansion while the economy grows. Failure to remain below these caps will trigger automatic across-the-board cuts (otherwise known as sequestration). This is the same mechanism used in the 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.
John Boehner, July 25, 2011

Well then you must be contending that it is absurd to rely on anything ever said by the President's Press Secretary.

Almost as absurd as relying on anything said by any Republican.

 

[Antares]

No, the REAL question is why you folks can't admit that anything Obama does is wrong.

It was Obama's idea and Boehner supported it, sorry.

Daily Kos huh?

Lets use another lefty source....

It is true that sequestration was the Obama administration's idea. White House officials proposed it as part of the agreement that resolved the 2011 debt ceiling fight. It was meant to act as a spur to make a bipartisan supercommittee reach an agreement on a package of spending cuts and tax increases that would reduce the national debt over time.

Whose Sequester Is It Anyway? : It's All Politics : NPR

The question isn't the source, but is the information accurate or inaccurate.

Did the GOP, in fact, have such a PowerPoint or did they not?

 

[IlarMeilyr]

As I have already shown, Lyin' Ryan has already admitted that the sequester enforcement mechanism for spending caps is something he said CON$ have been fighting for FOR YEARS! Obama simply made a concession to the CON$ to try to move the process forward.

And Boner had the sequester posted on his web site before he made his powerpoint presentation to the GOP House just before the vote on the bill.

Two-Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable | Speaker.gov

CAPS TO CONTROL FUTURE SPENDING
The framework imposes spending caps that would establish clear limits on future spending and serve as a barrier against government expansion while the economy grows. Failure to remain below these caps will trigger automatic across-the-board cuts (otherwise known as sequestration). This is the same mechanism used in the 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.
John Boehner, July 25, 2011

Well then you must be contending that it is absurd to rely on anything ever said by the President's Press Secretary.

Almost as absurd as relying on anything said by any Republican.

Almost as moronic as relying on the word of any Democrat.

 

[Oldstyle]

The sequester deal was simply Barack Obama kicking having to make spending cuts further down the road rather than doing his job. He doesn't do things like present budgets that are viable or spending cuts that are nccessary because that would displease his "base"...which is presently comprised of starry eyed liberals who don't function in reality and people who take more from government than they contribute.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Seems an old John Boehner Powerpoint presentation has been found that proves sequestration was NOT President Obama's idea, it was Speaker Boehner's.




The PowerPoint That Proves It’s Not Obama’s Sequester After All

I happened to come across an old email that throws cold water on House Republicans’ attempts to call this “Obama’s Sequester.”

It’s a PowerPoint presentation that Boehner’s office developed with the Republican Policy Committee and sent out to the Capitol Hill GOP on July 31, 2011. Intended to explain the outline of the proposed debt deal, the presentation is titled: “Two Step Approach to Hold President Obama Accountable.”

It’s essentially an internal sales document from the old dealmaker Boehner to his unruly and often unreasonable Tea Party cohort. But it’s clear as day in the presentation that “sequestration” was considered a cudgel to guarantee a reduction in federal spending—the conservatives’ necessary condition for not having America default on its obligations.

The presentation lays out the deal in clear terms, describing the spending backstop as “automatic across-the-board cuts (‘sequestration’). Same mechanism used in 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.”

Here's the .pdf:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/content/dam/dailybeast/2013/02/19/Debt-Framework-Boehner.pdf


Here's a screen grab:

BUSTED!!!!!

Let's be irresponsible and assume that this is actually something that came out of Boehner's office, did you notice the word new in the first bullet point?

Yes. New, as in:

The presentation lays out the deal in clear terms, describing the spending backstop as “automatic across-the-board cuts (‘sequestration’). Same mechanism used in 1997 Balanced Budget Agreement.”

Have you called the Secret Service to let them know that Boehner is using illegal psychic abilities to control Obama?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Well then you must be contending that it is absurd to rely on anything ever said by the President's Press Secretary.

Almost as absurd as relying on anything said by any Republican.

Almost as moronic as relying on the word of any Democrat.

Well that settles it. There is no benefit to debate, discuss or defend anything because your mind - and I use that term loosely - has already decided without facts or evidence. Making you one of the willfully ignorant. But, don't feel too bad, most on your side of the aisle are congenitally ignorant (though I haven't ruled that out in your case yet).

 

[Lakhota]