Calif Raises Cost of 1st Phase of Train to Nowhere by 35% to $10.6B

[BluesLegend]

The ticket prices they charge don't come anywhere near to paying the operating costs of the system, let alone the cost of the capital used to build it.

Have you ever flown from SF to LA? I have, and to San Diego too many times. For example, driving to SFO, parking (for a fee), taking the shuttle and being (nearly strip searched) to get into the airport, flying 90 minutes + to LA, de-plaining and getting to the Rental Car (seems like miles from the terminal) and then getting into traffic on LA Streets to get to the LA Freeway System (many times gridlocked) was my experience.

It doesn't take a high school graduate to understand how rail can open up other opportunities along its route, sadly the doom and gloom crowd lacks such a vision.

My son wears a pump for type 1 diabetes.. The air lines always pull him aside to pat him down which takes an extra 30-40 minutes .. And then they go through his insulin supplies..

I get that they have to do that, but how can anyone work after going through all of that after the air commute you described.

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They will do eactly the same when he rides this boondoggle train.

Personally I would rather take a train than fly.. Like Whycatcher said, flying is a pain in the ass..I have taken the flight myself..

I think this will be the way to travel across America in our future..

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High speed rail across the USA would bankrupt the nation. I do support HSR, but only in very localized regions. Worldwide there are only a couple of the rail systems that actually pay for themselves. To do that you have to be very heavily used and there is a single line Japan that gets those numbers, and i think the paris to Toulon line can pay for itself. Other than that they are all money losers.

Even Mother Jones thinks the California systems is a waste.

High-Speed Rail Is a Waste of Time and Money

High-speed rail is a waste of time and money

Failure doesn't matter in government spending, only good intentions and because damn it they care.

 

[ColonelAngus]

The ticket prices they charge don't come anywhere near to paying the operating costs of the system, let alone the cost of the capital used to build it.

Have you ever flown from SF to LA? I have, and to San Diego too many times. For example, driving to SFO, parking (for a fee), taking the shuttle and being (nearly strip searched) to get into the airport, flying 90 minutes + to LA, de-plaining and getting to the Rental Car (seems like miles from the terminal) and then getting into traffic on LA Streets to get to the LA Freeway System (many times gridlocked) was my experience.

It doesn't take a high school graduate to understand how rail can open up other opportunities along its route, sadly the doom and gloom crowd lacks such a vision.

My son wears a pump for type 1 diabetes.. The air lines always pull him aside to pat him down which takes an extra 30-40 minutes .. And then they go through his insulin supplies..

I get that they have to do that, but how can anyone work after going through all of that after the air commute you described.

.

They will do eactly the same when he rides this boondoggle train.

Personally I would rather take a train than fly.. Like Whycatcher said, flying is a pain in the ass..I have taken the flight myself..

I think this will be the way to travel across America in our future..

.

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High speed rail across the USA would bankrupt the nation. I do support HSR, but only in very localized regions. Worldwide there are only a couple of the rail systems that actually pay for themselves. To do that you have to be very heavily used and there is a single line Japan that gets those numbers, and i think the paris to Toulon line can pay for itself. Other than that they are all money losers.

Even Mother Jones thinks the California systems is a waste.

High-Speed Rail Is a Waste of Time and Money

High-speed rail is a waste of time and money

Liberals pissing away taxpayer money?


Whaaaaaaaaaat????

 

[BluesLegend]

Will anyone in government be held ACCOUNTABLE for these cost overruns and failures?

 

[Wry Catcher]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


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The ticket prices they charge don't come anywhere near to paying the operating costs of the system, let alone the cost of the capital used to build it.

Have you ever flown from SF to LA? I have, and to San Diego too many times. For example, driving to SFO, parking (for a fee), taking the shuttle and being (nearly strip searched) to get into the airport, flying 90 minutes + to LA, de-plaining and getting to the Rental Car (seems like miles from the terminal) and then getting into traffic on LA Streets to get to the LA Freeway System (many times gridlocked) was my experience.

It doesn't take a high school graduate to understand how rail can open up other opportunities along its route, sadly the doom and gloom crowd lacks such a vision.

I hate to state the obvious but if you are supposed to be on high speed rail you will be blowing by those "other opportunities" along the route. You do understand that...don't you? And get used to the strip searches at the train station too. As more people take the train the onerous security measures will follow just like clockwork. Have to keep those government drones employed don't ya know.

But, but, but Trump promised to build a wall and Mexico will pay for it. Soon strip searches will be few and far between, only people of color will be searched. I'm white so why will I care?

[sarcasm alert]

BTW, Transit villages will be planned, and anyone who has taken the train in Europe knows that stops are very short - not the 15 minutes claimed by the other fool.

High speed rail will link to the internet, have tables so computers can be plugged in and work can be done. A traveler can stand, walk about and even use a spacious restroom to change clothes or use the facilities.

 

[westwall]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


.

The ticket prices they charge don't come anywhere near to paying the operating costs of the system, let alone the cost of the capital used to build it.

Have you ever flown from SF to LA? I have, and to San Diego too many times. For example, driving to SFO, parking (for a fee), taking the shuttle and being (nearly strip searched) to get into the airport, flying 90 minutes + to LA, de-plaining and getting to the Rental Car (seems like miles from the terminal) and then getting into traffic on LA Streets to get to the LA Freeway System (many times gridlocked) was my experience.

It doesn't take a high school graduate to understand how rail can open up other opportunities along its route, sadly the doom and gloom crowd lacks such a vision.

I hate to state the obvious but if you are supposed to be on high speed rail you will be blowing by those "other opportunities" along the route. You do understand that...don't you? And get used to the strip searches at the train station too. As more people take the train the onerous security measures will follow just like clockwork. Have to keep those government drones employed don't ya know.

But, but, but Trump promised to build a wall and Mexico will pay for it. Soon strip searches will be few and far between, only people of color will be searched. I'm white so why will I care?

[sarcasm alert]

BTW, Transit villages will be planned, and anyone who has taken the train in Europe knows that stops are very short - not the 15 minutes claimed by the other fool.

High speed rail will link to the internet, have tables so computers can be plugged in and work can be done. A traveler can stand, walk about and even use a spacious restroom to change clothes or use the facilities.

A series of transit villages means no high speed rail dude. Try thinking sometime.

 

[Eaglewings]

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


.

The ticket prices they charge don't come anywhere near to paying the operating costs of the system, let alone the cost of the capital used to build it.

Have you ever flown from SF to LA? I have, and to San Diego too many times. For example, driving to SFO, parking (for a fee), taking the shuttle and being (nearly strip searched) to get into the airport, flying 90 minutes + to LA, de-plaining and getting to the Rental Car (seems like miles from the terminal) and then getting into traffic on LA Streets to get to the LA Freeway System (many times gridlocked) was my experience.

It doesn't take a high school graduate to understand how rail can open up other opportunities along its route, sadly the doom and gloom crowd lacks such a vision.

You will still have to go through security when you get on the train, You will have to rent a car, unless there's a stop right near your final destination. How is this train going to improve anything? It will take three hours to get from one end to the other, and that's without any stops along the way. Each stop will take at least 15 minutes.

All you brainiacs who think your schemes are the solution to society's problems never consider all the issues involved. Hard thinking businessmen have considered such projects and concluded they don't justify the cost.

Right now you can get to San Francisco in a 1/2 with all of the stops on BART from Silicon Valley.. And this train is over 30 years old.

Also I bet that they will have a straight through to LA train options.

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1/2 of what? I have both driven a car into SF and taken BART. I'd say the commute time is about the same. The main advantage of BART is that you don't have to find a place to park. That was about $20/day in downtown SF. I still had to get in my car, drive to the BART station. Pay to park there. then get on the train, go through about a dozen stops, until I finally arrived at my destination. Then I would have to walk about 10 blocks to the office.

This area has doubled in the last year, when was the last time you drove up.. I meant a 1/2 hour on BART, which takes you to Embarcadero, Union Station..

BTW... the freeways are jammed packed with foreigners who don't even know english and take the DMV test in their own language..

Driving now is stressful with the traffic, and parking is more like $50.00 at a hotel .

This traffic has become the norm

 

[westwall]

The ticket prices they charge don't come anywhere near to paying the operating costs of the system, let alone the cost of the capital used to build it.

Have you ever flown from SF to LA? I have, and to San Diego too many times. For example, driving to SFO, parking (for a fee), taking the shuttle and being (nearly strip searched) to get into the airport, flying 90 minutes + to LA, de-plaining and getting to the Rental Car (seems like miles from the terminal) and then getting into traffic on LA Streets to get to the LA Freeway System (many times gridlocked) was my experience.

It doesn't take a high school graduate to understand how rail can open up other opportunities along its route, sadly the doom and gloom crowd lacks such a vision.

You will still have to go through security when you get on the train, You will have to rent a car, unless there's a stop right near your final destination. How is this train going to improve anything? It will take three hours to get from one end to the other, and that's without any stops along the way. Each stop will take at least 15 minutes.

All you brainiacs who think your schemes are the solution to society's problems never consider all the issues involved. Hard thinking businessmen have considered such projects and concluded they don't justify the cost.

Right now you can get to San Francisco in a 1/2 with all of the stops on BART from Silicon Valley.. And this train is over 30 years old.

Also I bet that they will have a straight through to LA train options.

.

1/2 of what? I have both driven a car into SF and taken BART. I'd say the commute time is about the same. The main advantage of BART is that you don't have to find a place to park. That was about $20/day in downtown SF. I still had to get in my car, drive to the BART station. Pay to park there. then get on the train, go through about a dozen stops, until I finally arrived at my destination. Then I would have to walk about 10 blocks to the office.

This area has doubled in the last year, when was the last time you drove up.. I meant a 1/2 hour on BART, which takes you to Embarcadero, Union Station..

BTW... the freeways are jammed packed with foreigners who don't even know english and take the DMV test in their own language..

Driving now is stressful with the traffic, and parking is more like $50.00 at a hotel .

This traffic has become the norm

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DAMNED FURRINERS!

 

[Wry Catcher]

Will anyone in government be held ACCOUNTABLE for these cost overruns and failures?

Yep. When the contractor(s)' work is shoddy or late they will be fined, if and when the requirement to hire the lowest bid goes to the trash heap maybe the best will one day get the bid.

Once upon a time I was somewhat involved in the building of a new jail. The fire suppression contractor who submitted the lowest bid was hired even though we knew they had been fined before four using piping which did not meet code.

They installed water lines too small to carry the necessary load, the inspector (government employee) discovered the violation, which required their replacement which set the end date for occupancy months late.

The hate of government employees is well known by your side of the aisle; had fire consumed the jail one can only imagine how much the law suits would cost the taxpayer.

 

[westwall]

Will anyone in government be held ACCOUNTABLE for these cost overruns and failures?

Yep. When the contractor(s)' work is shoddy or late they will be fined, if and when the requirement to hire the lowest bid goes to the trash heap. Once upon a time I was somewhat involved in the building of a new jail. The fire suppression contractor who submitted the lowest bid was hired even though we knew they had been fined before four using piping which did not met code.

They installed water lines too small to carry the necessary load, the inspector (government employee) discovered the violation, which required their replacement which set the end date for occupancy months late.

Your hate of government employees is well known, had fire consumed the jail one can only imagine how much the law suits would cost the taxpayer.

Sooooo, if everyone knew the contractor was a scumbag, which government employee OK'd the contract to the guy? Why did that government wonk not get fired, and or criminally indicted for failure to protect the publics assets?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

They are connecting all of the major cities.. of course there will be stops.. but it will take 21/2 hours to get to LA..
Right now the only transport is a Bus, expensive plane which takes 1/2 of a day..Or drive 10 hours..

California High-Speed Rail (abbreviated CAHSR) is a high-speed rail system under construction in California in the United States. It will connect the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center in Anaheim and Union Station in Downtown Los Angeles with the Transbay Transit Center in San Francisco via the Central Valley, providing a one-seat ride between Union Station and San Francisco in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Future extensions will connect to stations to San Diego County via the Inland Empire, and to Sacramento. CAHSR will operate on dedicated, grade separated tracks for the entirety of its route between San Jose and Burbank with speeds of up to 220 miles per hour (350 km/h), with early ridership projections for the San Francisco to Los Angeles leg at 28.4 million per year. The San Francisco–San Jose and Los Angeles–Anaheim sections will be shared with local trains in a "blended system". The project is owned and managed by the state of California through the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA).

If the point of this was to connect LA to San Fran with a high speed train wouldn't it have made more sense to run the tracks straight up the coast instead of deviating out to Bakersfield and going up through the center of the state?

 

[DJT for Life]

The ticket prices they charge don't come anywhere near to paying the operating costs of the system, let alone the cost of the capital used to build it.

Have you ever flown from SF to LA? I have, and to San Diego too many times. For example, driving to SFO, parking (for a fee), taking the shuttle and being (nearly strip searched) to get into the airport, flying 90 minutes + to LA, de-plaining and getting to the Rental Car (seems like miles from the terminal) and then getting into traffic on LA Streets to get to the LA Freeway System (many times gridlocked) was my experience.

It doesn't take a high school graduate to understand how rail can open up other opportunities along its route, sadly the doom and gloom crowd lacks such a vision.

You will still have to go through security when you get on the train, You will have to rent a car, unless there's a stop right near your final destination. How is this train going to improve anything? It will take three hours to get from one end to the other, and that's without any stops along the way. Each stop will take at least 15 minutes.

All you brainiacs who think your schemes are the solution to society's problems never consider all the issues involved. Hard thinking businessmen have considered such projects and concluded they don't justify the cost.

Right now you can get to San Francisco in a 1/2 with all of the stops on BART from Silicon Valley.. And this train is over 30 years old.

Also I bet that they will have a straight through to LA train options.

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1/2 of what? I have both driven a car into SF and taken BART. I'd say the commute time is about the same. The main advantage of BART is that you don't have to find a place to park. That was about $20/day in downtown SF. I still had to get in my car, drive to the BART station. Pay to park there. then get on the train, go through about a dozen stops, until I finally arrived at my destination. Then I would have to walk about 10 blocks to the office.

This area has doubled in the last year, when was the last time you drove up.. I meant a 1/2 hour on BART, which takes you to Embarcadero, Union Station..

BTW... the freeways are jammed packed with foreigners who don't even know english and take the DMV test in their own language..

Driving now is stressful with the traffic, and parking is more like $50.00 at a hotel .

This traffic has become the norm

View attachment 172003

When folks get off the train, whenever it is built, how are they suppose to
get to their final destination?

For that matter, even if you fly, you still have to get to your final destination.
I don't believe any of them have any mass transit system that will rid the
roadways of autos, busses or cabs, for all destinations.

You can do that stuff in NYC, for the most part, and Chicago for some of
it, but that's about it.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Will anyone in government be held ACCOUNTABLE for these cost overruns and failures?

Yep. When the contractor(s)' work is shoddy or late they will be fined, if and when the requirement to hire the lowest bid goes to the trash heap maybe the best will one day get the bid.

Once upon a time I was somewhat involved in the building of a new jail. The fire suppression contractor who submitted the lowest bid was hired even though we knew they had been fined before four using piping which did not meet code.

They installed water lines too small to carry the necessary load, the inspector (government employee) discovered the violation, which required their replacement which set the end date for occupancy months late.

The hate of government employees is well known by your side of the aisle; had fire consumed the jail one can only imagine how much the law suits would cost the taxpayer.

Correct, when a private contractor fucks up they get fined by the government and/or punished by the public. When the government fucks up the employee either gets reassigned to another government job, like the dipshit in Hawaii who sent out a false incoming missile warning or nothing happens at all like the folks at the EPA who dumped waste into a river in Colorado turning it yellow.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Will anyone in government be held ACCOUNTABLE for these cost overruns and failures?

Yep. When the contractor(s)' work is shoddy or late they will be fined, if and when the requirement to hire the lowest bid goes to the trash heap. Once upon a time I was somewhat involved in the building of a new jail. The fire suppression contractor who submitted the lowest bid was hired even though we knew they had been fined before four using piping which did not met code.

They installed water lines too small to carry the necessary load, the inspector (government employee) discovered the violation, which required their replacement which set the end date for occupancy months late.

Your hate of government employees is well known, had fire consumed the jail one can only imagine how much the law suits would cost the taxpayer.

Sooooo, if everyone knew the contractor was a scumbag, which government employee OK'd the contract to the guy? Why did that government wonk not get fired, and or criminally indicted for failure to protect the publics assets?

The policy by the Board of Supervisor required that the lowest bid be accepted. Can you guess which side of the aisle promulgated this policy?

The Government Employee blew the whistle. Government employees, my colleagues, notified the County Manager who had no choice but to authorize the repairs which were costly.

Even you might be able to comprehend the distinction between a cost-deficit and a cost-benefit - something that fiscal conservatives must know, but choose not to consider since it is cheaper to take the risk when they hope they will be long gone before shit hits the fan (see the Tax Reform Bill for an example).

 

[Wry Catcher]

Have you ever flown from SF to LA? I have, and to San Diego too many times. For example, driving to SFO, parking (for a fee), taking the shuttle and being (nearly strip searched) to get into the airport, flying 90 minutes + to LA, de-plaining and getting to the Rental Car (seems like miles from the terminal) and then getting into traffic on LA Streets to get to the LA Freeway System (many times gridlocked) was my experience.

It doesn't take a high school graduate to understand how rail can open up other opportunities along its route, sadly the doom and gloom crowd lacks such a vision.

You will still have to go through security when you get on the train, You will have to rent a car, unless there's a stop right near your final destination. How is this train going to improve anything? It will take three hours to get from one end to the other, and that's without any stops along the way. Each stop will take at least 15 minutes.

All you brainiacs who think your schemes are the solution to society's problems never consider all the issues involved. Hard thinking businessmen have considered such projects and concluded they don't justify the cost.

Right now you can get to San Francisco in a 1/2 with all of the stops on BART from Silicon Valley.. And this train is over 30 years old.

Also I bet that they will have a straight through to LA train options.

.

1/2 of what? I have both driven a car into SF and taken BART. I'd say the commute time is about the same. The main advantage of BART is that you don't have to find a place to park. That was about $20/day in downtown SF. I still had to get in my car, drive to the BART station. Pay to park there. then get on the train, go through about a dozen stops, until I finally arrived at my destination. Then I would have to walk about 10 blocks to the office.

This area has doubled in the last year, when was the last time you drove up.. I meant a 1/2 hour on BART, which takes you to Embarcadero, Union Station..

BTW... the freeways are jammed packed with foreigners who don't even know english and take the DMV test in their own language..

Driving now is stressful with the traffic, and parking is more like $50.00 at a hotel .

This traffic has become the norm

View attachment 172003

When folks get off the train, whenever it is built, how are they suppose to
get to their final destination?

For that matter, even if you fly, you still have to get to your final destination.
I don't believe any of them have any mass transit system that will rid the
roadways of autos, busses or cabs, for all destinations.

You can do that stuff in NYC, for the most part, and Chicago for some of
it, but that's about it.

"Ain't it Awful" ^^^

Transit Villages are already planned and even BART has established stops as destinations. Feeder light rail and buses go to all other destinations in the Bay Area, and will develop as the needs along the corridor will occur. E-Bart, SMART, VTA, etc. have routes which lead to BART today.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


.

A laughable assertion. If the intent was as you claim they would have followed the I5 corridor, instead they are following Highway 99. LOTS of stops at towns that no one go's to from LA. Further they aren't laying new track, they are merely rehabbing freight rail, so there go's the claim of high speed. It is a farce that relies on ignorant people who don't understand the lies they are being told, and clearly, in your case, you don't even care to educate yourself on the subject.

They are connecting all of the major cities.. of course there will be stops.. but it will take 21/2 hours to get to LA..
Right now the only transport is a Bus, expensive plane which takes 1/2 of a day..Or drive 10 hours..

California High-Speed Rail (abbreviated CAHSR) is a high-speed rail system under construction in California in the United States. It will connect the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center in Anaheim and Union Station in Downtown Los Angeles with the Transbay Transit Center in San Francisco via the Central Valley, providing a one-seat ride between Union Station and San Francisco in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Future extensions will connect to stations to San Diego County via the Inland Empire, and to Sacramento. CAHSR will operate on dedicated, grade separated tracks for the entirety of its route between San Jose and Burbank with speeds of up to 220 miles per hour (350 km/h), with early ridership projections for the San Francisco to Los Angeles leg at 28.4 million per year. The San Francisco–San Jose and Los Angeles–Anaheim sections will be shared with local trains in a "blended system". The project is owned and managed by the state of California through the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA).

Wow, you read propaganda and actually believe it. You should look at what they are saying, and then compare that with what they are actually DOING.

Like I said, it took bart 30 years to come into the south bay.. So this is not going to happen overnight.

What this will do is open up the central cities , people will commute and buy homes in these rural less expensive areas of California..

BTW Westie, people will do that commute for affordable housing.


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people will commute and buy homes in these rural less expensive areas of California..
yea if you want to live in shit places like Fresno and Stockton....

 

[Weatherman2020]

They are connecting all of the major cities.. of course there will be stops.. but it will take 21/2 hours to get to LA..
Right now the only transport is a Bus, expensive plane which takes 1/2 of a day..Or drive 10 hours..

California High-Speed Rail (abbreviated CAHSR) is a high-speed rail system under construction in California in the United States. It will connect the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center in Anaheim and Union Station in Downtown Los Angeles with the Transbay Transit Center in San Francisco via the Central Valley, providing a one-seat ride between Union Station and San Francisco in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Future extensions will connect to stations to San Diego County via the Inland Empire, and to Sacramento. CAHSR will operate on dedicated, grade separated tracks for the entirety of its route between San Jose and Burbank with speeds of up to 220 miles per hour (350 km/h), with early ridership projections for the San Francisco to Los Angeles leg at 28.4 million per year. The San Francisco–San Jose and Los Angeles–Anaheim sections will be shared with local trains in a "blended system". The project is owned and managed by the state of California through the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA).

If the point of this was to connect LA to San Fran with a high speed train wouldn't it have made more sense to run the tracks straight up the coast instead of deviating out to Bakersfield and going up through the center of the state?

The left live on the coast, they don’t want noisy trains messing up their pool parties.

 

[Eaglewings]

They are connecting all of the major cities.. of course there will be stops.. but it will take 21/2 hours to get to LA..
Right now the only transport is a Bus, expensive plane which takes 1/2 of a day..Or drive 10 hours..

California High-Speed Rail (abbreviated CAHSR) is a high-speed rail system under construction in California in the United States. It will connect the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center in Anaheim and Union Station in Downtown Los Angeles with the Transbay Transit Center in San Francisco via the Central Valley, providing a one-seat ride between Union Station and San Francisco in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Future extensions will connect to stations to San Diego County via the Inland Empire, and to Sacramento. CAHSR will operate on dedicated, grade separated tracks for the entirety of its route between San Jose and Burbank with speeds of up to 220 miles per hour (350 km/h), with early ridership projections for the San Francisco to Los Angeles leg at 28.4 million per year. The San Francisco–San Jose and Los Angeles–Anaheim sections will be shared with local trains in a "blended system". The project is owned and managed by the state of California through the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA).

If the point of this was to connect LA to San Fran with a high speed train wouldn't it have made more sense to run the tracks straight up the coast instead of deviating out to Bakersfield and going up through the center of the state?

I think that would have been impossible with the high cliffs... Do you know that the only train to LA from the bay area is at 2 am in the morning?
We need a modern system..

 

[westwall]

No, it woul

They are connecting all of the major cities.. of course there will be stops.. but it will take 21/2 hours to get to LA..
Right now the only transport is a Bus, expensive plane which takes 1/2 of a day..Or drive 10 hours..

California High-Speed Rail (abbreviated CAHSR) is a high-speed rail system under construction in California in the United States. It will connect the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center in Anaheim and Union Station in Downtown Los Angeles with the Transbay Transit Center in San Francisco via the Central Valley, providing a one-seat ride between Union Station and San Francisco in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Future extensions will connect to stations to San Diego County via the Inland Empire, and to Sacramento. CAHSR will operate on dedicated, grade separated tracks for the entirety of its route between San Jose and Burbank with speeds of up to 220 miles per hour (350 km/h), with early ridership projections for the San Francisco to Los Angeles leg at 28.4 million per year. The San Francisco–San Jose and Los Angeles–Anaheim sections will be shared with local trains in a "blended system". The project is owned and managed by the state of California through the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA).

If the point of this was to connect LA to San Fran with a high speed train wouldn't it have made more sense to run the tracks straight up the coast instead of deviating out to Bakersfield and going up through the center of the state?

No, it would have made waaay more sense to follow the I5 corridor which has very little in the way of interfering towns and cities, which slow down the train.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The entire route from LA to San Fran was to cost $9.95B when they suckered the voters into it. This is just for the first phase which is rural flat ground from Merced to Bakersfield. Mountains and urban areas would be the next phases, what are the odds they can do it in budget?

Leftism is a curse upon mankind.

The extra $2.8 billion comes on a 199-mile segment in the Central Valley that is partly under construction. The California High Speed Rail Authority board discussed the increase Tuesday.

The added cost is due to delays in obtaining rights of way and barriers needed along parts of the track, among other things.

It boosts the overall cost of the project to nearly $67 billion, which officials say they hope to recover later.

Cost Climbs By $2.8 Billion For California Bullet Train

The cost-benefits to the train will more than trickle down to Central California, and when completed to all Californian's in years to come. Some day a POTUS will be elected who is rational, forward thinking and puts our nation first.

The Reader might want to research the cost to invade and occupy Iraq, in terms of total cost in Blood and Treasure, vis a vis the building of rail in CA.

The Transcontinental Railroad during the Civil War is an example of forward thinking. Lincoln signed the bill to build the RR and it paid for itself before the Oil, battery and tire lobby created the system which uses their products.

Funny how trickle down suddenly works if it’s a leftist boondoggle project.

 

[Eaglewings]

I know someone personally who was on the board back in the 80's designing the Bart route ( Bay Area Rapid Transit)
There was a man on the board who owned many of the car dealerships..
This man made sure that it wouldn't be easy to get around the Bay area unless if you have a car..

It has taken more than 30 years to design bart to connect ( still under construction ) so people don't have to drive..

Damn corruption..

If you look at the commuter planes from SF to LA they are full..

This bullet train will open up the roads, connect the cities and with that less fuel and smog..


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A laughable assertion. If the intent was as you claim they would have followed the I5 corridor, instead they are following Highway 99. LOTS of stops at towns that no one go's to from LA. Further they aren't laying new track, they are merely rehabbing freight rail, so there go's the claim of high speed. It is a farce that relies on ignorant people who don't understand the lies they are being told, and clearly, in your case, you don't even care to educate yourself on the subject.

They are connecting all of the major cities.. of course there will be stops.. but it will take 21/2 hours to get to LA..
Right now the only transport is a Bus, expensive plane which takes 1/2 of a day..Or drive 10 hours..

California High-Speed Rail (abbreviated CAHSR) is a high-speed rail system under construction in California in the United States. It will connect the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center in Anaheim and Union Station in Downtown Los Angeles with the Transbay Transit Center in San Francisco via the Central Valley, providing a one-seat ride between Union Station and San Francisco in 2 hours and 40 minutes. Future extensions will connect to stations to San Diego County via the Inland Empire, and to Sacramento. CAHSR will operate on dedicated, grade separated tracks for the entirety of its route between San Jose and Burbank with speeds of up to 220 miles per hour (350 km/h), with early ridership projections for the San Francisco to Los Angeles leg at 28.4 million per year. The San Francisco–San Jose and Los Angeles–Anaheim sections will be shared with local trains in a "blended system". The project is owned and managed by the state of California through the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA).

Wow, you read propaganda and actually believe it. You should look at what they are saying, and then compare that with what they are actually DOING.

Like I said, it took bart 30 years to come into the south bay.. So this is not going to happen overnight.

What this will do is open up the central cities , people will commute and buy homes in these rural less expensive areas of California..

BTW Westie, people will do that commute for affordable housing.


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people will commute and buy homes in these rural less expensive areas of California..
yea if you want to live in shit places like Fresno and Stockton....

Well, to afford a home for your family in California people are commuting hours from these areas already..

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