Calling It a New Name Won't Make Socialism Work

[Slade3200]

Socialism is the very opposite of freedom, there is no individuality in Socialism

The freedom to have Porn, an Abortion, listen to Gangster Rap music, to wear Che-Guevara T-Shirts.

The freedom to be Muslim Gay, Black, Jewish, an Illegal immigrant, etc. etc.

Yes, I understand freedom is akin to Liberal values.

Freedom is freedom. The government is responsible for public safety and opportunity. Morality is up to each family to teach as they see fit... not for the government to regulate

Why do you think morality has gone down so far in the West?

Morality does have a big impact on society, so why shouldn't it be regulated?

It can be regulated and it currently is, there are all kinds of regulations around the movies, music, and goods that we produce, market and sell. I’m not calling for zero regulation.

Morality has gone down because our society has become oversaturated on many levels and maintaining focus and discipline on core values has slipped away to acting in impulse. But that is a much larger discussion...

Not enough for sure. Porn, and Rap Music should be basically censored out completely.

There's way too much trash out there in general.

A bunch of Capitalist smut peddlers trying to profit off of anti-Human values.

I could say the same thing about some of your posts... do you wanna be censored?

Sorry that’s not it’s the country we live in

 

[Weatherman2020]

Sure that was an answer to something, just not what I asked. Name a freedom you have that I don't? I for sure can give a freedom I have that you don't. I can send my kid to any school I choose, we don't have any school districts. Your turn.

There is no real freedom in the world today, obviously.

So if you say that there is no freedom in the world, what's wrong with Socialism? It seems that was your argument for not linking it?

Socialism is the very opposite of freedom, there is no individuality in Socialism

The freedom to have Porn, an Abortion, listen to Gangster Rap music, to wear Che-Guevara T-Shirts.

The freedom to be Muslim Gay, Black, Jewish, an Illegal immigrant, etc. etc.

Yes, I understand freedom is akin to Liberal values.

Freedom is freedom. The government is responsible for public safety and opportunity. Morality is up to each family to teach as they see fit... not for the government to regulate

Freedom is freedom. The government is responsible for public safety and opportunity. Morality is up to each family to teach as they see fit... not for the government to regulate

Told you the Left were for things like polygamy and pedophillia.

 

[Weatherman2020]

So we're still pretending the Democrats are pushing 100%, full-blown socialism, in which private property is eliminated and government owns all means of production and distribution.

Okay, sure, why not.
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Have any evidence they're not?

Sure. The ACA.
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That’s funny. The author already admitted it was a stepping stone to socialist national healthcare.

The horror of Americans paying less for healthcare.

In my younger days health insurance was free and covered 100% of the costs. And the doctor may go to your home.

So what changed in just my lifetime?

Was ther more socialism then? Nope.

Bigger government and lawyers is the answer.

 

[Slade3200]

There is no real freedom in the world today, obviously.

So if you say that there is no freedom in the world, what's wrong with Socialism? It seems that was your argument for not linking it?

Socialism is the very opposite of freedom, there is no individuality in Socialism

The freedom to have Porn, an Abortion, listen to Gangster Rap music, to wear Che-Guevara T-Shirts.

The freedom to be Muslim Gay, Black, Jewish, an Illegal immigrant, etc. etc.

Yes, I understand freedom is akin to Liberal values.

Freedom is freedom. The government is responsible for public safety and opportunity. Morality is up to each family to teach as they see fit... not for the government to regulate

Freedom is freedom. The government is responsible for public safety and opportunity. Morality is up to each family to teach as they see fit... not for the government to regulate

Told you the Left were for things like polygamy and pedophillia.

you don’t know what the hell youre talking about. Pedophilloa? Really? You don’t hear me labeling religious conservatives with that crap even though that shits happening all over the Churches... grow up man, your arguments aren’t honest

 

[Weatherman2020]

These idiots like Rustic don’t know how to express a smart argument end up just making shit up trying to define the thoughts and motives of their opposers. I wonder if they think they are being effective.

No one’s going to change anybody else’s mind, I just don’t want to control other people like you progressives do...

You don’t want to control other people?! How are you paying for your police, fire and military?

I don't know about him specifically, but I'm very certain that the religious right would be just as brutal and controlling as radical Muslims in the Middle East is they could. If it were socially acceptable I could absolutely see some of the loons on this board being in favor of burning heathens at the stake.

Well gay marriage, LGBT issues, and abortion rights are prime examples of them wanting to control others.

Always found that ironic. "Stay out of my wallet, my bedroom though, you can regulate"

Always found that ironic. "Stay out of my wallet, my bedroom though, you can regulate"

Yes, ironic. Pay for my birth control, sexual perversions, abortions...

 

[Weatherman2020]

So if you say that there is no freedom in the world, what's wrong with Socialism? It seems that was your argument for not linking it?

Socialism is the very opposite of freedom, there is no individuality in Socialism

The freedom to have Porn, an Abortion, listen to Gangster Rap music, to wear Che-Guevara T-Shirts.

The freedom to be Muslim Gay, Black, Jewish, an Illegal immigrant, etc. etc.

Yes, I understand freedom is akin to Liberal values.

Freedom is freedom. The government is responsible for public safety and opportunity. Morality is up to each family to teach as they see fit... not for the government to regulate

Freedom is freedom. The government is responsible for public safety and opportunity. Morality is up to each family to teach as they see fit... not for the government to regulate

Told you the Left were for things like polygamy and pedophillia.

you don’t know what the hell youre talking about. Pedophilloa? Really? You don’t hear me labeling religious conservatives with that crap even though that shits happening all over the Churches... grow up man, your arguments aren’t honest

OH, so you lied. You want government to regulate morality.

 

[Slade3200]

Socialism is the very opposite of freedom, there is no individuality in Socialism

The freedom to have Porn, an Abortion, listen to Gangster Rap music, to wear Che-Guevara T-Shirts.

The freedom to be Muslim Gay, Black, Jewish, an Illegal immigrant, etc. etc.

Yes, I understand freedom is akin to Liberal values.

Freedom is freedom. The government is responsible for public safety and opportunity. Morality is up to each family to teach as they see fit... not for the government to regulate

Freedom is freedom. The government is responsible for public safety and opportunity. Morality is up to each family to teach as they see fit... not for the government to regulate

Told you the Left were for things like polygamy and pedophillia.

you don’t know what the hell youre talking about. Pedophilloa? Really? You don’t hear me labeling religious conservatives with that crap even though that shits happening all over the Churches... grow up man, your arguments aren’t honest

OH, so you lied. You want government to regulate morality.

Sorry man, you’re to stupid to engage with. I didn’t lie, I stated a point and defined where regulation is needed. If you’re gonna distort my message to try and call me a liar then go right ahead but your not being honest and Frankly I dont really give a shit what people like you call me.

 

[Rustic]

Military, police and fire are an necessary... And progressives hate those obviously by the way they treat them.
The rest of big government is not necessary

You’re done. You can’t go on these platitude rants about freedom and Fucking the collective and then say well certain ones that I like are ok. That makes you a hypocrite. If your ok with military and law and order then then you believe that the contributions of the collective serve a purpose. So stop with your bullshit. You can argue about specific programs that you disagree with but right now you aren’t being intellectually honest.

Even a fool can see the federal government is far, far too large… And we are past the point of no return.
You do realize the nanny state is opposite of any sort of freedom?

Yeah, I agree that government is too big and needs to go on a serious diet... but I can be honest about the situation. I don’t need to lie and yell socialism when socialism isn’t here

That is the reason why this country is broke because a socialist entitlement programs. That’s where the vast majority of spending and debt have come from, It makes every other type of spending look like pocket change.

That’s why we are broke? The richest country in the world bar none?! Haha ok.

Well tell me where does all that money that the government is frivolous spending go? Where does it end up over time?

Our debt is far more than we could ever pay back, And socialist entitlement programs are going to keep us broke.
There is nothing more ways fold in the federal government

 

[Rustic]

With socialism the goal is everyone lives in equal misery… And better love it

Jesus dude. Even the people on your side silently know that you're completely fucking useless in this conversation. Just go away.

These idiots like Rustic don’t know how to express a smart argument end up just making shit up trying to define the thoughts and motives of their opposers. I wonder if they think they are being effective.

No one’s going to change anybody else’s mind, I just don’t want to control other people like you progressives do...

You don’t want to control other people?! How are you paying for your police, fire and military?

Like I said that is an necessary, Most of the spending of this federal government is waste fraud and abuse... They’re called socialist entitlement programs.

 

[Rustic]

There is no real freedom in the world today, obviously.

That is because we live in a capitalist world.

The world will know true freedom once we stop competing for resources. Which will be facilitated through a socialist economic system of production.

Socialism is the incubator for dictatorships and fascism

 

[Slade3200]

You’re done. You can’t go on these platitude rants about freedom and Fucking the collective and then say well certain ones that I like are ok. That makes you a hypocrite. If your ok with military and law and order then then you believe that the contributions of the collective serve a purpose. So stop with your bullshit. You can argue about specific programs that you disagree with but right now you aren’t being intellectually honest.

Even a fool can see the federal government is far, far too large… And we are past the point of no return.
You do realize the nanny state is opposite of any sort of freedom?

Yeah, I agree that government is too big and needs to go on a serious diet... but I can be honest about the situation. I don’t need to lie and yell socialism when socialism isn’t here

That is the reason why this country is broke because a socialist entitlement programs. That’s where the vast majority of spending and debt have come from, It makes every other type of spending look like pocket change.

That’s why we are broke? The richest country in the world bar none?! Haha ok.

Well tell me where does all that money that the government is frivolous spending go? Where does it end up over time?

Our debt is far more than we could ever pay back, And socialist entitlement programs are going to keep us broke.
There is nothing more ways fold in the federal government

Why are you dodging the question? Are you unable to answer it?

 

[Slade3200]

With socialism the goal is everyone lives in equal misery… And better love it

Jesus dude. Even the people on your side silently know that you're completely fucking useless in this conversation. Just go away.

These idiots like Rustic don’t know how to express a smart argument end up just making shit up trying to define the thoughts and motives of their opposers. I wonder if they think they are being effective.

No one’s going to change anybody else’s mind, I just don’t want to control other people like you progressives do...

You don’t want to control other people?! How are you paying for your police, fire and military?

Like I said that is an necessary, Most of the spending of this federal government is waste fraud and abuse... Their called socialist entitlement programs.

Yeah, it’s necessary to steal from and control people for the things you deem neccessary. Got it!

 

[Rustic]

Even a fool can see the federal government is far, far too large… And we are past the point of no return.
You do realize the nanny state is opposite of any sort of freedom?

Yeah, I agree that government is too big and needs to go on a serious diet... but I can be honest about the situation. I don’t need to lie and yell socialism when socialism isn’t here

That is the reason why this country is broke because a socialist entitlement programs. That’s where the vast majority of spending and debt have come from, It makes every other type of spending look like pocket change.

That’s why we are broke? The richest country in the world bar none?! Haha ok.

Well tell me where does all that money that the government is frivolous spending go? Where does it end up over time?

Our debt is far more than we could ever pay back, And socialist entitlement programs are going to keep us broke.
There is nothing more ways fold in the federal government

Why are you dodging the question? Are you unable to answer it?

Socialist entitlement programs dominate spending and debt, everything else is pocket change

 

[Rustic]

Jesus dude. Even the people on your side silently know that you're completely fucking useless in this conversation. Just go away.

These idiots like Rustic don’t know how to express a smart argument end up just making shit up trying to define the thoughts and motives of their opposers. I wonder if they think they are being effective.

No one’s going to change anybody else’s mind, I just don’t want to control other people like you progressives do...

You don’t want to control other people?! How are you paying for your police, fire and military?

Like I said that is an necessary, Most of the spending of this federal government is waste fraud and abuse... Their called socialist entitlement programs.

Yeah, it’s necessary to steal from and control people for the things you deem neccessary. Got it!

Military, fire and police don’t take up a lot of the budget, plus if people behave they generally don’t have any interaction with those

 

[Confounding]

Military, fire and police don’t take up a lot of the budget

?

 

[Tehon]

There is no real freedom in the world today, obviously.

That is because we live in a capitalist world.

The world will know true freedom once we stop competing for resources. Which will be facilitated through a socialist economic system of production.

Socialism is the incubator for dictatorships and fascism

That isn't entirely untrue. It was after all the socialist movements that took root following WWI and the great depression that led to a crisis for capitalists in Europe, and to a lesser degree in the US. The need to stamp out the socialist movements is what gave rise to fascism in Europe.

But that just reinforces the idea that capitalism is a detriment to freedom, not its champion.

You lose.

 

[Rustic]

There is no real freedom in the world today, obviously.

That is because we live in a capitalist world.

The world will know true freedom once we stop competing for resources. Which will be facilitated through a socialist economic system of production.

Socialism is the incubator for dictatorships and fascism

That isn't entirely untrue. It was after all the socialist movements that took root following WWI and the great depression that led to a crisis for capitalists in Europe, and to a lesser degree in the US. The need to stamp out the socialist movements is what gave rise to fascism in Europe.

But that just reinforces the idea that capitalism is a detriment to freedom, not its champion.

You lose.

Socialism has to be forced on people that want nothing to do with it, cannot afford it and will never use it. Socialism would be fine if it was an “opt in”... Obviously it’s not

 

[Tehon]

There is no real freedom in the world today, obviously.

That is because we live in a capitalist world.

The world will know true freedom once we stop competing for resources. Which will be facilitated through a socialist economic system of production.

Socialism is the incubator for dictatorships and fascism

That isn't entirely untrue. It was after all the socialist movements that took root following WWI and the great depression that led to a crisis for capitalists in Europe, and to a lesser degree in the US. The need to stamp out the socialist movements is what gave rise to fascism in Europe.

But that just reinforces the idea that capitalism is a detriment to freedom, not its champion.

You lose.

Socialism has to be forced on people that want nothing to do with it, cannot afford it and will never use it. Socialism would be fine if it was an “opt in”... Obviously it’s not

The point of my previous post flew right over your head I guess. It was capitalism that was forced on people in fascist Europe and in countless Latin American countries over the years. Fascism always raises its head when people gravitate away from capitalism.

 

[Rustic]

There is no real freedom in the world today, obviously.

That is because we live in a capitalist world.

The world will know true freedom once we stop competing for resources. Which will be facilitated through a socialist economic system of production.

Socialism is the incubator for dictatorships and fascism

That isn't entirely untrue. It was after all the socialist movements that took root following WWI and the great depression that led to a crisis for capitalists in Europe, and to a lesser degree in the US. The need to stamp out the socialist movements is what gave rise to fascism in Europe.

But that just reinforces the idea that capitalism is a detriment to freedom, not its champion.

You lose.

Socialism has to be forced on people that want nothing to do with it, cannot afford it and will never use it. Socialism would be fine if it was an “opt in”... Obviously it’s not

The point of my previous post flew right over your head I guess. It was capitalism that was forced on people in fascist Europe and in countless Latin American countries over the years. Fascism always raises its head when people gravitate away from capitalism.

That’s what I said there is no reason for socialism other than to control people....

 

[Slade3200]

Yeah, I agree that government is too big and needs to go on a serious diet... but I can be honest about the situation. I don’t need to lie and yell socialism when socialism isn’t here

That is the reason why this country is broke because a socialist entitlement programs. That’s where the vast majority of spending and debt have come from, It makes every other type of spending look like pocket change.

That’s why we are broke? The richest country in the world bar none?! Haha ok.

Well tell me where does all that money that the government is frivolous spending go? Where does it end up over time?

Our debt is far more than we could ever pay back, And socialist entitlement programs are going to keep us broke.
There is nothing more ways fold in the federal government

Why are you dodging the question? Are you unable to answer it?

Socialist entitlement programs dominate spending and debt, everything else is pocket change

That wasnt my question. I’m asking you where that money goes. Play it out through a few exchanges and let me know where you think it all ends up going